Denis Halliday: Inzwi Rechikonzero Munyika Inopenga 

NaNicolas JS Davies, World BEYOND War, April 14, 2021
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Denis Halliday chimiro chakasarudzika munyika ye diplomacy. Muna 1998, mushure memakore makumi matatu nemana ekushanda pamwe neUnited Nations - kusanganisira seMubatsiri Secretary-General uye UN Humanitarian Coordinator muIraq - akasiya basa apo UN Security Council yakaramba kubvisa zvirango kuIraq.
 
Halliday akaona pakutanga ruoko runoparadza rweiyi mutemo iyo yakanga yatungamira kurufu rwekupfuura 500,000 vana pasi pemakore mashanu nemazana ezviuru vana vakura nevakuru, uye akadaidza masanctions kuuraya vanhu veIraq.
 
Kubva 1998, Denis anga ari izwi rine simba rerunyararo uye rekodzero dzevanhu pasirese. Akaenda nechikepe mu Rusununguko Flotilla kuenda kuGaza muna2010, apo gumi vevamwe vake vari mungarava yeTurkey vakapfurwa ndokuurayiwa pakurwiswa nemauto eIsrael.
 
Ndakabvunzurudza Denis Halliday kubva kumba kwake kuIreland.
 
Nicolas Davies: Saka, Denis, makore makumi maviri mushure mekusiya basa UN kubva pazvirango kuIraq, United States yave kuisa zvakafanana "kudzvinyirira kwakanyanya”Zvirango zvakatemerwa Iran, Venezuela, Cuba neNorth Korea, zvichinyima vanhu vavo kuwana chikafu nemishonga mukati medenda. Chii chaungade kutaura kuvaAmerican nezve iyo chaiyo-nyika kukanganisa kweaya marongero?
 
Denis Halliday: Ndinoda kutanga nekutsanangura kuti masanction akatemerwa neSecurity Council kurwisa Iraq, yakatungamirwa zvakanyanya neUnited States neBritain, aive akasarudzika mupfungwa yekuti aive akazara. Ivo vaive vakavhurika-kuvhurika, zvichireva kuti ivo vaida Security Council danho rekuvamisa, izvo zvechokwadi hazvina kumboitika - uye vakatevera ipapo paGulf War.
 
Hondo ye Gulf, yaitungamirwa zvakanyanya neUnited States asi ichitsigirwa neBritain nevamwewo, yakaita bhomba reIraq uye yakanangana nehupfumi hwevanhu, iko kutyora maGungano eGeneva, uye vakatora magetsi ese emagetsi emunyika.
 
Izvi zvakadzvinyirira zvachose kurapwa kwemvura uye nzira yekuparadzira yeIraq, iyo yaitsamira pamagetsi kuityaira, uye kutyaira vanhu kushandisa mvura yakasviba kubva kuTigirisi uye Yufratesi. Uku ndiko kwaive kutanga kweyekufa-kwevana vadiki, nekuti vanamai vaisayamwisa, vaifudza vana vavo fomura yevana, asi vachisanganisa nemvura yakasviba kubva kuTigrisi neYufratesi.
 
Bhomba rezvivakwa, kusanganisira masystem ekutaurirana uye simba remagetsi, rakabvisa kugadzirwa kwechikafu, kurima zvirimwa, uye zvimwe zvese zvakakosha zvehupenyu. Vakavhara zvakare kutengeswa kunze kwenyika uye kupinzwa kunze kwenyika, uye vakave nechokwadi chekuti Iraq yakanga isingakwanise kuendesa kunze mafuta ayo, ayo aive manyuko makuru emari yayo panguva iyoyo.
 
Pamusoro peizvozvo, vakaunza chombo chitsva chinonzi uranium yapera, chaishandiswa nemauto eUS kudzinga Hondo yeIraq kubva muKuwait. Izvo zvakashandiswa zvakare kumaodzanyemba kweIraq munzvimbo yeBasra, uye zvakatungamira mukuunganidzwa kukuru kwetsvina yenyukireya yakatungamira kune leukemia muvana, uye izvo zvakatora makore matatu, mana kana mashanu kuti zvionekwe.
 
Saka pandakasvika kuIraq muna 1998, zvipatara zveBaghdad, uyezve muBasra nemamwe maguta, zvaive zvakazara nevana vanorwara neleukemia. Panguva ino vanhu vakuru vaive vawana gomarara ravo, kunyanya kwete chirwere chekenza cheropa. Vana ivavo, tinofunga kuti pamwe vana mazana maviri ezviuru, vakafa neleukemia. Panguva imwecheteyo, Washington neLondon vakanyima zvimwe zvezvinhu zvekurapa izvo leukemia inoda, zvakare, zvaitaridzika, nenzira yekuuraya vanhu, zvichinyima vana veIraq kodzero yekuramba vari vapenyu.
 
Uye sekutaura kwawakaita mazana mashanu ezviuru, anga ari mashoko akataurwa naMadeleine Albright, Mumiriri weAmerica panguva iyoyo kuUnited Nations uyo, anogara paCBS, akabvunzwa mubvunzo nezvekurasikirwa kwevana mazana mashanu ezviuru, uye akati kurasikirwa kwevana mazana mashanu ezviuru kwaive "kodzera, ”Maererano nekudzikisa pasi Saddam Hussein, izvo zvisina kuitika kudzamara mauto apinda muna 2003.
 
Saka poindi ndeyekuti zvirango zveIraq zvaive zvakasarudzika uye zvinehutsinye uye zvakareba uye zvakazara. Vakaramba vari munzvimbo zvisinei nekuti vanhu vanozvida sei kana vamwe, uye kwete ini ndoga, asi UNICEF pamwe nemasangano eUN system - nyika zhinji dzinosanganisira France, China neRussia - vakanyunyuta zvakanyanya pamusoro pemhedzisiro pahupenyu hwevanhu uye nehupenyu hwe Iraqi vana nevakuru.
 
Shungu dzangu dzekusiya basa kwaive kuenda kuruzhinji, izvo zvandakaita. Mukati memwedzi mumwe chete, ini ndanga ndiri muWashington ndichiita musangano wangu wekutanga weCongress pamusoro pemhedzisiro yezvirango izvi, zvinotungamirwa neWashington neLondon.
 
Saka ndinofunga United States nevanhu vayo, vanovhotera hurumende idzi, vanofanirwa kunzwisisa kuti vana nevanhu veIraq vakangofanana nevana veUnited States neEngland nevanhu vavo. Ivo vane zviroto zvakafanana, zvishuwo zvakafanana zvedzidzo nebasa, dzimba nedzimba uye zororo uye zvese zvinhu zvine hanya nevanhu vakanaka. Isu tese takafanana vanhu uye hatigone kugara pasi tofunga neimwe nzira, "Hatizive kuti ndivanaani, ivo maAfghans, ndeveIran, ndeavaIraq. Saka manje? Vari kufa. "Hatizive, harisi dambudziko redu, izvi zvinoitika muhondo." Ndiri kureva, zvese izvo zvemafungiro ekuti nei izvi zvisina kukosha.
 
Uye ini ndinofunga icho chikamu chehupenyu muzvirango nyika inoenderera, kungave Venezuela, ingave Cuba, iyo yanga ichienderera izvozvi kwemakore makumi matanhatu. Vanhu havazive kana havafungi maererano nehupenyu hwevamwe vanhu hwakafanana nesu kuno kuEurope kana kuUnited States.
 
Dambudziko rinotyisa, uye handizive kuti zvingagadziriswa sei. Tave nezvirango kuIran neNorth Korea. Saka chinonetsa kuunza chipenyu kuti tinouraya vanhu nemasanctions. Ivo havasi vanotsiva zvehondo - ivo chimiro chehondo.
Nicolas Davies: Maita basa, Denis. Ini ndinofunga izvo zvinotisvitsa kune mumwe mubvunzo, nekuti kunyangwe zvirango kuIraq zvakatenderwa neUN Security Council, zvatiri kutarisa nhasi munyika, kune chikamu chikuru, iyo US inoshandisa simba rehurongwa hwayo hwemari ku gadza unilateral kukomba pane idzi nyika, kunyangwe iUS ichiri kurwa hondo munenge hafu yenyika gumi nembiri, kunyanya kuGreater Middle East. Medea Benjamin neni munguva pfupi yapfuura zvakanyorwa kuti iyo US nevabatsiri vayo vakadonhedza 326,000 mabhomba uye zvombo kune dzimwe nyika muhondo dzese idzi, kubvira 2001 - izvo hazvisi kuverenga Hondo Yekutanga Gulf.
 
Iwe wakashandira UN uye UNDP kwemakore makumi matatu nemana, uye iyo UN yakaumbwa seforamu uye chinzvimbo cherunyararo uye kutarisana nekutyorwa kwerunyararo nenyika dzese pasi rese. Asi UN ingagadzirisa sei dambudziko renyika ine simba, ine hukasha seUnited States iyo inotyora mutemo wepasi rese nekushandisa zvisizvo veto yavo uye masimba emumiriri ekudzivirira kuzvidavirira?
 
Denis Halliday: Hongu, kana ndichitaura nevadzidzi, ndinoedza kutsanangura kuti kune maUnited Nations maviri: kune United Nations yeSecretariat, inotungamirwa neMunyori-General uye inoshandirwa nevanhu vakaita seni uye zviuru makumi maviri kana makumi matatu zvepasirese, kuburikidza UNDP nemasangano. Isu tinoshanda munyika dzese, uye mazhinji acho ndeyekusimudzira kana kubatsira vanhu. Iri ibasa rakanaka, rine basa chairo, kunyangwe iri kupa chikafu maPalestine kana basa reUNICEF kuEthiopiya. Izvi zvinoenderera.
 
Iko kunodonha kweUN kuri muSecurity Council, mumaonero angu, uye imhaka yekuti, muYalta muna 1945, Roosevelt, Stalin naChurchill, vachiona kukundikana kweLeague of Nations, vakasarudza kuumba United Nations iyo yaizo chinodzora, icho chavakazodaidza kuti Security Council. Uye kuona kuti zvakashanda, mukuda kwavo ndingati, vakasimbisa iri boka remasimba mashanu evhoti, uye vakawedzera France ivo ndokuwedzera China. Uye izvo zvishanu zvichiri panzvimbo.
 
Ndi 1945 uye iri 2021, uye ivo vachiri musimba uye vachiri kushandisa United Nations. Uye chero bedzi vachigara ipapo uye vachinyengera, ndinofunga UN yaparadzwa. Iyo nhamo ndeyekuti masimba mashanu e veto ndiyo inhengo chaidzo dzinotyora Gwaro, kutyora zvibvumirano zvekodzero dzevanhu, uye hazvizobvumidze kushandiswa kweICC kumatare avo ehondo nekumwe kushungurudzwa.
 
Pamusoro pezvo, ndidzo nyika dzinogadzira nekutengesa zvombo, uye tinoziva kuti zvombo zvehondo zvinogona kunge chiri chigadzirwa chinobatsira kwazvo chaunogona kugadzira. Saka kufarira kwavo kwakadzora kutonga, ndiko kugona kwemauto, kupindira. Ichi chiitiko cheeocolonial, humambo muchokwadi, kutonga nyika senzira yavanoda kuti vazvione. Kusvikira izvo zvashandurwa uye idzo nhengo shanu dzenyika dzabvuma kudzora masimba avo uye kutamba basa rakatendeseka, ndinofunga isu taparadzwa. UN haina kugona kumisa matambudziko atakatarisana nawo pasirese.
 
Nicolas Davies: Icho chimiro chakanakisa chekufungidzira. Muzana rino ramakore, takatarisana nematambudziko asingafadzi, pakati pekushanduka kwemamiriro ekunze uye kutyisidzira kwehondo yenyukireya kuchiri kungorembera pamusoro pedu tese, pamwe zvine ngozi kupfuura nakare kose, nekuda kwekushayikwa kwezvibvumirano uye kushomeka kwekubatana pakati pesimba renyukireya , zvikuru iyo US neRussia. Izvi chaizvo huripo dambudziko zvevanhu.
 
Ikozvino pane zvekare, hongu, iyo UN General Assembly, uye ivo vakakwira zvombo zvenyukireya neChipangano chitsva cheProhibition yeNuclear Weapons (TPNW), iyo zvino yapinda zviri pamutemo. Uye gore rega rega kana ichinge yasangana, iyo General Assembly nguva dzose uye dzinenge dzakabatana Anoshora hutongi hweUS hwakatemera Cuba.
 
Pandakanyora bhuku rangu nezvehondo yekuIraq, mazano angu ekupedzisira aive ekuti vakuru vakuru vekuAmerica neBritish vanopara mhosva vehondo vanofanirwa kuve nemhosva yekuzvidavirira, uye kuti US neUK vanofanira kubhadhara muripo kuIraq kuhondo. General Assembly ingangove inzvimbo yekuvakira rutsigiro kuIraq kukumbira muripo kubva kuUS nekuUK, kana kune imwe nzvimbo iyo ingave yakakodzera?
 
Denis Halliday: Ndinofunga iwe uri pachinangwa. Iyo nhamo ndeyekuti sarudzo dzeSecurity Council dzakasunga zvisarudzo. Nhengo imwe neimwe yenyika inofanirwa kushandisa uye kuremekedza sarudzo idzi. Nekudaro, kana ukatyora masanctions hurumende akaisirwa neDare senhengo yenhengo, uri mudambudziko. Sarudzo dzeGeneral Assembly hadzisi kusunga.
 
Iwe uchangobva kutaura nezvechisarudzo chakakosha, inova sarudzo yezvombo zvenyukireya. Isu takave nezvakawanda sarudzo pamusoro pekurambidza mhando dzakasiyana dzezvombo mumakore apfuura. Muno muIreland isu taive takabatanidzwa mumigodhi inopesana nevashandi uye zvimwe zvinhu zverudzi irworwo, uye yaive nenhamba huru yenyika dzenhengo, asi kwete mapato ane mhosva, kwete maAmerican, kwete maRussia, kwete maChinese, kwete maBritish. . Ivo vanodzora veto simba mutambo ndivo vasingaite. Kungofanana naClinton aive mumwe wevaikurudzira, ndinofunga, weICC [International Criminal Court], asi payakasvika pakupera kwezuva, United States haibvume kuti ine basa rekuzvishanyira ivo uye mhosva dzavo dzehondo Izvozvowo ndezvechokwadi kune mamwe matunhu makuru ayo ari mapato ane mhosva muzviitiko izvi.
 
Saka ini ndaizodzokera kuzano rako nezve General Assembly. Inogona kukwidziridzwa, hapana chikonzero nei isingakwanise kuchinjwa, asi zvinoda kushinga kwakanyanya kunhengo dzenhengo. Izvo zvinodawo kugamuchirwa nemasimba mashanu e veto kuti zuva ravo rasvika kumagumo, nekuti, muchokwadi, UN inotakura cachet shoma mazuva ano kutumira mamishinari eUN munyika yakaita seMyanmar kana Afghanistan.
 
Ini ndinofunga hatisisina simba rakasara, hatina simba rakasara, nekuti ivo vanoziva kuti ndiani anotungamira sangano, ivo vanoziva ndiani anoita sarudzo. Haasi Secretary-General. Havasi vanhu vakaita seni. Isu tinorairwa neSecurity Council. Ndakarega basa, zvinobudirira, kubva kuSecurity Council. Ivo vaive shefu vangu panguva iyoyo chaiyo yebasa rangu.
 
Ndine hurukuro yandinoita pakuvandudza Security Council, ndichiiita North-South inomiririra muviri, iyo yaizowana Latin America neSub-Saharan Africa in situ, uye iwe waizowana sarudzo dzakasiyana, waizowana rudzi sarudzo dzatinowana muGeneral Assembly: zvakawanda zvakaenzana, zvakanyanya kuziva pasirese neNorth neSouth nezvose izvi zvakasiyana. Asi hongu, zvakare, hatigone kugadzirisa kanzuru kudzamara masimba mashanu eveto abvumirana nazvo. Ndiro dambudziko hombe.
 
Nicolas Davies: Ehe, pachokwadi, apo chimiro icho chakaziviswa mu1945 neSecurity Council, vashanu vePermanent Nhengo uye veto, Albert Camus, aive mupepeti wepepanhau reFrance Resistance Combat, akanyora mupepeti wepamberi peji achitaura izvi kwaive kupera kwechero zano rezvematongerwo enyika rezvematongerwo enyika.
 
Nekudaro, sekune dzimwe nyaya dzakawanda kudaro, tinogara munyika dzinozvimirira dzegutsaruzhinji, asi vanhu venyika senge United States vanongoudzwa chete izvo vatungamiriri vedu vanoda kuti tizive nezve mashandiro anoita nyika. Saka shanduko yeSecurity Council inonyatsodikanwa, asi idanho rakakura redzidzo uye shanduko yedemokrasi munyika dzepasirese kuvaka chaizvo chikamu chakakurumbira chekuda shanduko yakadaro. Panguva ino, matambudziko atiri kutarisana nawo akakura.
 
Chimwe chinhu chinonyanya kutaurwa muUS ndechekuti, kunze kwekusuwa mushure memakore makumi maviri ehondo muAfghanistan, Secretary Blinken apedzisira yakabvunza UN kutungamira hurongwa hwerunyararo hwekumisa kurwa pakati pehurumende inotsigirwa neUS neTaliban uye shanduko yezvematongerwo enyika. Izvo zvinogona kufambisa kukakavara kupinda munzvimbo yezvematongerwo enyika uye kupedza hondo yevagari vemo iyo yakabva mukupinda kweUnited States nekugara pamwe nekuratidzira kusingaperi kwemabhomba.
 
Saka iwe unofungei nezve izvo zvekutanga? Panofanirwa kuve nemusangano mumavhiki akati wandei muIstanbul, inotungamirwa neanogona kutaurirana weUN, Jean Arnault, uyo akabatsira kuunza runyararo kuGuatemala pakupera kwehondo yevagari, uyezve pakati peColombia neFARC. IUS yakanyatso bvunza China, Russia neIran kuti ivewo chikamu cheichi chiitiko futi. Mativi ese muAfghanistan akabvuma kuuya kuIstanbul uyezve voona zvavanobvumirana. Saka iri ibasa rinovaka iro UN inogona kutamba? Izvo zvinopa mukana werunyararo wevanhu veAfghanistan?
 
Denis Halliday: Dai ndaive nhengo yeTaliban uye ndikakumbirwa kuti nditaure nehurumende inongori musimba nekuti inotsigirwa neUnited States, ndaizobvunza kana iri keel kunyange. Isu tine simba rakaenzana, tinogona kutaura kune mumwe nemumwe-kune-mumwe? Mhinduro, ndinofunga, kwete.
 
Iyo UN chap, chero angave, murombo murume, achave akaenzana zvakafanana. Ari kumiririra United Nations, Security Council inotongwa neUnited States nevamwe, sevanhu veAfghan vanonyatsoziva. VaTaliban vanga vachirwira helluva kwenguva yakareba, uye vasingaite fambiro mberi nekuda kwekukanganisa kwemauto eUS, ayo achiri pasi. Ini handifunge kuti inguva yekutamba-munda.
 
Saka ndingatoshamiswa kwazvo kana zvikashanda. Ndinovimba zvachose kuti zvinogona kudaro. Ndingafunge, mumaonero angu, kana iwe uchida hukama hunogara mukati meimwe nyika, inofanirwa kutaurirana mukati menyika, pasina zvechiuto kana kumwe kupindira kana kutya kwekuenderera mberi nekubhomba kana kurwiswa kana zvimwe zvese zvacho. Handifunge kuti tine kutendeseka, seUN, pasi pemamiriro akadaro. Ichave iri slog yakaoma kwazvo.
 
Nicolas Davies: Kurudyi. Chinyangadzo ndechekuti United States kuisa parutivi UN Charter payakarwisa Yugoslavia muna 1999 kuveza izvo zvava izvozvi semi-inozivikanwa nyika yeKosovo, uyezve kurwisa Afghanistan neIraq. Iyo UN Charter, pakutanga chaipo, pamoyo payo, inorambidza kutyisidzira kana kushandiswa kwesimba nenyika imwe kurwisa imwe. Asi izvi ndizvo zvakaiswa neUS.
 
Denis Halliday: Uyezve, iwe unofanirwa kuyeuka, iyo US iri kurwisa imwe nhengo yenyika yeUnited Nations, isingazeze, isina ruremekedzo rweCharter. Zvichida vanhu vanokanganwa kuti Eleanor Roosevelt akatyaira, uye akabudirira mukumisikidza, Chirevo cheKodzero dzevanhu, kuita kunoshamisa, kuchiri kushanda. Chishandiso chemuBhaibheri chevazhinji vedu vanoshanda muUN.
 
Saka kuregeredzwa kweCharter nemweya weCharter uye mazwi eCharter, nenhengo shanu dzeveto, pamwe muAfghanistan yaive Russia, ikozvino iri United States, maAfghanis vakapindira kune dzimwe nyika kusvika kumitsipa yavo nekupfuura. , uye maBritish ave achibatanidzwa ipapo kubva muzana ramakore rechi18 ndoda. Saka vane tsitsi dzangu dzakadzama, asi ndinovimba chinhu ichi chinogona kushanda, ngativei netariro kuti chinogona.
 
Nicolas Davies: Ndakaunza izvo nekuti US, nesimba rayo guru remauto mushure mekupera kweCold War, yakaita sarudzo yekuziva kuti pachinzvimbo chekurarama maererano neChibvumirano cheUN, yaizorarama nebakatwa, nemutemo musango: "simba rinogonesa."
 
Zvakatora zviito izvi nekuti zvaigona, nekuti hapana rimwe simba remauto raivepo kuti rimirisane naro. Panguva yeFirst Gulf War, a Pentagon chipangamazano akaudza New York Times kuti, pakupera kweCold War, iyo US inogona kupedzisa kuita zvechiuto kuMiddle East isinganetseke nezve kutanga Hondo Yenyika yechitatu. Saka vakatora kupera kweSoviet Union sechiedza chegreen chezviitiko zvakarongeka, zvakapararira zvinotyora UN Charter.
 
Asi ikozvino, zviri kuitika muAfghanistan ndezvekuti maTaliban zvakare anodzora hafu yenyika. Tiri kusvika muchirimo nezhizha apo kurwa pachinyakare kuri kuwedzera, uye saka iyo US iri kushevedza UN kubva mukupererwa nekuti, kutaura chokwadi, pasina kumisa moto, hurumende yavo muKabul iri kungo kurasikirwa nenzvimbo yakawanda. Saka iyo US yasarudza kurarama nebakatwa, uye mune ino mamiriro ikozvino iri kusangana nekufa nebakatwa.
 
Denis Halliday: Zvinosuruvarisa, Nicolas, ndezvekuti, munguva yedu yehupenyu, maAfghanis akamhanya nenyika yavo. Vaive nehumambo, vaive neparamende - ndakasangana ndokubvunzurudza vakadzi makurukota kubva kuAfghanistan kuNew York - uye vakaikwanisa. Pakanga pari panguva iyo maRussia akapindira, uye ipapo maAmerican vakapindira, uye ipapo Bin Laden akamisa musasa wake ipapo, uye icho chaive chikonzero chekuparadza izvo zvasara zveAfghanistan.
 
Uye zvakare Bush, Cheney uye vashoma vevakomana vakasarudza, kunyangwe pakange pasina chikonzero chero chipi zvacho, chekubhomba nekuparadza Iraq, nekuti ivo vaida kufunga kuti Saddam Hussein aive nechekuita neAl Qaeda, izvo zvaive zvisina musoro. Vaida kufunga kuti aive nezvombo zvekuparadza vanhu, izvo zvakare zvaive zvisina maturo. Vanoongorora veUN vakataura izvozvo kakawanda, asi hapana aigona kuvatenda.
 
Iko nemaune kuregeredza kwetariro yekupedzisira. Chinzwano cheMarudzi chakakundikana, uye UN ndiyo tariro yakatevera yakanakisa uye isu takazvifuratira nemaune, takaregeredza uye hatina kuvimba nayo. Patinowana akanaka Secretary General senge Anotambudza, tinomuuraya. Akanyatso kuurawa, nekuti aipindira muzviroto zveBritish kunyanya, uye pamwe nevaBelgium, muKatanga. Iyo nyaya inosuruvarisa, uye ini handizive kwatinoenda kubva kuno.
 
Nicolas Davies: Zvakanaka, hazvo, kwatinoita senge tiri kuenda kubva pano kurasika kwesimba reAmerica kutenderera pasirese, nekuti iyo US ine zvakashata kushandisa simba rayo zvisirizvo. MuUS, tinoramba tichinzwa kuti iyi Hondo Yemashoko pakati peUS neChina, kana pamwe iyo US, China neRussia, asi ini ndinofunga isu tese tinotarisira kuti tinogona kushandira nyika yakawanda yakawanda.
 
Sezvaunotaura, UN Security Council inoda shanduko, uye tinotarisira kuti vanhu veAmerica vari kunzwisisa kuti isu hatigoni kutonga nyika pamwechete, kuti chishuwo chehushe hwepasi rose hweUS ipipi-kurota kunotyisa kwakatitungamira mukukanganisa.
 
Denis Halliday: Zvichida chinhu chega chakanaka chinobuda muCovid-19 kuziva zvishoma nezvishoma kuti, kana munhu wese asingawani mushonga, tinokundikana, nekuti isu, vapfumi nevane simba nemari uye majekiseni, hatizove zvakachengeteka kusvikira isu tatoona kuti pasi rese rakachengeteka, kubva kuna Covid neinotevera iri kuuya nenzira yacho pasina mubvunzo.
 
Uye izvi zvinoreva kuti kana isu tisingatengese neChina kana dzimwe nyika tine kusagadzikana nezvazvo, nekuti hatidi hurumende yavo, hatidi communism, hatidi socialism, chero zvazvingava, isu tinofanirwa kurarama neizvozvo, nekuti pasina mumwe nemumwe isu hatigone kurarama. Nedambudziko remamiriro ekunze uye zvimwe zvese zvine chekuita nazvo, tinodanana kupfuura nakare kose, uye tinoda kubatana. Ingori pfungwa yakajairika yekuti tinoshanda uye kugara pamwe chete.
 
IUS ine chimwe chinhu senge mazana masere emasoja kutenderera pasirese, ehukuru hwakasiyana. China zvirokwazvo yakakomberedzwa uye iyi ndiyo mamiriro ane njodzi, zvisina basa zvachose Uye ikozvino kuunganidzwazve nezvombo zvemhando nyowani zvombo zvenyukireya patinenge tatova nezvombo zvenyukireya zvakapetwa makumi maviri pane zvakaparadza Hiroshima. Nei Pasi Pano? Izvo zvisina musoro zvisina maturo kuenderera mberi nezvirongwa izvi, uye hazvishande kuvanhu.
 
Ndinovimba kuti US inotanga kudzoka pamwe nekugadzirisa matambudziko ayo epamba, ayo akakurisa. Ini ndinoyeuchidzwa zuva rega rega pandinotarisa CNN pano pamba pangu nezve kuomarara kwerudzi uye zvimwe zvinhu zvese zvauri kunyatsoziva nezve izvo zvinoda kugadziriswa. Kuva mupurisa kunyika kwaive sarudzo yakaipa.
 
Nicolas Davies: Ndizvozvo. Saka zvematongerwo enyika, zveupfumi nemauto system yatinorarama pasi payo haisi yekuuraya chete panguva ino, asiwo kuzviuraya. Ndatenda, Denis, nekuve izwi rechikonzero munyika ino inopenga.
Nicolas JS Davies muongorori weCODEPINK, munyori wekuzvimiririra uye munyori we Ropa Pamakumbo Edu: American Invasion uye Kuparadza kweIraq.

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