Lub Xeev ntawm Kev Tawm Tsam Tawm Tsam Nrog Greta Zarro thiab Ana Milosavljevic

Kev sib tham txog kev sib ntaus sib tua

Henri: [00:00:00] Zoo, txais tos txhua tus tuaj rau Fortress On. A Hill, lub podcast txog peb txoj cai txawv teb chaws, tawm tsam imperialism, tsis ntseeg, thiab Asmeskas txoj kev ua tsov rog.

Kuv yog Henri, kuv lub npe yog nws thiab nws. Ua tsaug ntau uas koj tau nrog peb hnub no. Nrog kuv yog kuv, kuv ob tus tswv tsev zoo kawg nkaus, uh, Jovanni thiab peb, ib tus ntawm peb tus tswv tsev tshiab, Shiloh Emelein. Koj ob leeg ua li cas tav su no?

Shiloh: Ua tau zoo heev, Henri. Ua tsaug.
Jovanni: Ua, ua tau zoo heev. Txaus siab rau qhov no, rau qhov no, uh, program hnub no.

Henri: Yog li peb yog [00:01:00] ntawm no nrog Greta. Thiab Anna Milo, um, los tham txog, uh, tsuas yog feem ntau lub xeev ntawm kev tawm tsam kev ua tsov rog. Tau 20 xyoo dhau los, Tebchaws Asmeskas tau nyob hauv txoj kev ua tsov rog, ncaj qha lossis los ntawm tus neeg sawv cev, txawm hais tias Asmeskas muaj ntau tshaj tawm tsam kev ua tsov ua rog thiab cov peev txheej pov tseg hauv lawv. Lub tshuab ua tsov rog txuas ntxiv txhawb nqa los ntawm ob tog sib koom ua haujlwm.

Nws tau kwv yees tias Asmeskas kev tsov rog Middle East tau hloov chaw ntau dua 50 lab tus tib neeg, thiab hauv Iraq ib leeg tau coj ntau dua ib lab tus ntsuj plig. Txawm li cas los xij, tam sim no cov thawj coj tab tom ua si qhov kev ua si txaus ntshai ntawm nqaij qaib nrog nuclear riam phom Russia raws li nws tseem ua rau muaj kev tsis sib haum xeeb hauv Ukraine thiab tseem muaj kev noj qab haus huv los tsim kev kub ntxhov nyob rau sab hnub tuaj nrog nuclear riam phom Tuam Tshoj.

Yog li peb, peb xav tham txog dab tsi yog dab tsi, lub xeev ntawm kev tawm tsam kev tawm tsam hauv txhua qhov no yog dab tsi? Ua ntej peb muaj, peb muaj, uh, Greta Zarro raws li ib tug [00:02:00] keeb kwm ntawm qhov teeb meem-raws li kev koom tes hauv zej zog. Nws qhov kev paub dhau los suav nrog kev nrhiav neeg ua haujlwm pub dawb, kev koom tes, kev koom ua ke, kev sib koom ua ke, kev tsim cai lij choj thiab kev tshaj tawm xov xwm, thiab kev hais lus rau pej xeem.

Greta kawm tiav raws li valedictorian los ntawm St. Michael's College nrog rau bachelor's degree hauv kev sociology thiab anthropology. Yav dhau los nws tau ua haujlwm hauv New York tus neeg ua haujlwm rau cov khoom noj tsis muaj txiaj ntsig thiab dej saib. Nyob ntawd nws tau tshaj tawm txog cov teeb meem ntsig txog fracking, genetic engineered zaub mov, kev hloov pauv huab cua, thiab kev tswj hwm kev lag luam ntawm peb cov peev txheej.

Greta thiab nws tus khub khiav Unadilla lossis Unadilla Community Farm, lub chaw ua liaj ua teb tsis muaj txiaj ntsig thiab Permaculture Education Center nyob rau sab saud New York. Thiab Greta tam sim no yog tus thawj coj ntawm lub koom haum World Beyond War. Greta, txais tos rau Fortress On A Hill.

Greta: Ua tsaug ntau uas koj muaj kuv.

Henri: Thiab tom ntej no peb muaj, kuv yuav sim hais nws.

Hais nws, hais dua. [00:03:00] Um, Anna Milo saic, uas yog tus tawm tsam kev ua tsov rog los ntawm Boston, uas nyob rau plaub lub xyoos dhau los tau pab tsim kev tawm tsam tawm tsam kev ua tsov rog nrhiav neeg ua haujlwm hauv tsev kawm qib siab tawm tsam kev ua tsov rog nrog Iran. Tom qab kev tua neeg ntawm gener, General Soleimani, thiab tawm tsam peb kev koom tes hauv kev ua tsov rog tsis tu ncua hauv Yema Yemen, tam sim no nws tab tom kawm sau xov xwm hauv Lisbon, Portugal.

Anna, txais tos rau Fortress On A Hill.
Anna: Zoo heev tau nyob ntawm no.
Henri: Yog lawm. Koj yog Jovanni. Koj nyob nraum tus txiv neej.

Jovanni: Ua tsaug rau neb ob leeg. Ua tsaug rau neb ob leeg tuaj. Um, kuv zoo siab rau qhov kev hu no. Um, Kuv tsuas yog xav pib nug koj txog koj lub koom haum, uh, dab tsi ua rau koj mus, um, kev tawm tsam kev ua tsov rog thiab kev thaj yeeb nyab xeeb? Uh, cia peb pib nrog, uh, Greta.

Greta: Yog lawm, yog li kuv twv kuv txoj kev yog qhov nthuav. Um, yog li kuv niam kuv txiv muaj lub khw muag khoom noj organic thaum kuv loj hlob, thiab qhov ntawd yog kuv qhov kev taw qhia tiag tiag rau hauv, um, saib ntawm [00:04:00] ntau yam teeb meem thiab, thiab qhov ntawd, los ntawm lub lens ntawm cov zaub mov, saib, uh, ib puag ncig cuam tshuam ntawm peb cov zaub mov xaiv. Tau kawg, kev cuam tshuam txog kev sib raug zoo, kab lis kev cai thiab kev noj qab haus huv cuam tshuam. Um, thiab tom qab ntawd loj hlob tuaj kuv tau los ua neeg tsis noj nqaij thiab kuv tau zoo ntawm kev tshawb nrhiav, koj paub, peb tuaj yeem hloov pauv txhua txoj kev sib txawv no li cas? Thiab kuv ib txwm muaj qhov no, um, muaj siab xav hloov pauv ntawm qib systemic. Kuv paub tias kuv xav ua ib yam dab tsi. Kuv, kuv xav txog txoj kev ua haujlwm sib txawv, yog li ntawd

tej zaum kuv tuaj yeem yog tus kws qhia noj zaub mov lossis tus kws qhia qoj ib ce lossis ib yam dab tsi, tab sis kuv xav tias kuv xav ua ib yam dab tsi dav dua, ntawm cov txheej txheem lossis cov txheej txheem.

Um, thiab tom qab ntawd nrawm nrawm, uh, ntau heev, um, Kuv tau kawg, kuv nyob hauv tsev kawm ntawv qib siab kawm txog zaub mov thiab kuv tau ua haujlwm nrog Food and Water Watch. Thiab qhov ntawd yog kuv qhov kev taw qhia tiag tiag rau dab tsi yog kev txhim kho, uh, thiab kev xav ntawm kev tuaj yeem npaj peb tus kheej thiab, thiab kom tib neeg ua ke los siv lawv cov neeg lub zog los ua kom cov neeg raug xaiv tsa thiab lwm tus neeg txiav txim siab los hloov txoj cai.

Um, [00:05:00] thiab kuv yeej hais txog qhov ntawd. Kuv nyiam lub, lub hwj chim ntawm organiz. Yog li kuv tau ua haujlwm nrog Food and Water Watch, um, thiab tom qab ntawd tau ua haujlwm nrog Food and Water Watch, um, thiab feem ntau, koj paub, raws li kuv tus bio hais, feem ntau ua haujlwm ntawm cov khoom noj. thiab dej, zoo li GMO labeling thiab fracking thiab, um, qhov cuam tshuam ntawm cov, uh, ntawm peb cov khoom noj.

Um, thiab tom qab ntawd tib lub sijhawm, uh, koj yuav hnov ​​​​kuv hais ntau txog qhov kuv hu kuv ob-prong mus kom ze. Yog li ntawd, tib lub sij hawm thaum kuv tau zoo ntawm kev koom tes hauv tag nrho cov kev cai no, um, Kuv kuj tau nrhiav ntau yam, um, hloov pauv theem hauv av hauv kuv lub neej. Uh, thiab yog li kuv pom hma, uas yog lub sijhawm thoob ntiaj teb ntawm cov liaj teb organic.

Thiab kuv tau loj hlob, kuv tau loj hlob hauv Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Kuv, kuv tsis muaj keeb kwm ntawm, ntawm ib puag ncig nyob deb nroog txhua. Um, thiab qhov no tau nyob hauv tsev kawm qib siab. Kuv, kuv pib woofing thiab, koj paub, hom kev kawm tiag tiag cov kev txawj ntawm tes ntawm kev yuav ua li cas peb loj hlob peb tus kheej cov zaub mov thiab, uh, nyob ntawm kab sib chaws thiab qhov ntawd [00:06:00] zoo li cas.

Um, thiab yog li ntawd kuv xav muab ob lub tswv yim ntawm kev hloov pauv thiab hloov hauv av. Um, thiab dua, nrawm nrawm ntawm, Kuv, Kuv tau mus koom nrog UN Community Farm nyob rau sab saud New York, uas yog qhov chaw kuv nyob tam sim no. Thiab, thiab kuv khiav, uh, nws yog lub chaw qhia kev ua liaj ua teb tsis muaj txiaj ntsig. Thiab yog li ntawd kuv tau nyob ntawm ib qho ntawm kev faib kuv lub sijhawm ntawm New York City, ua haujlwm nrog Food and Water Watch, thiab tseem sim siv sijhawm rau kev ua liaj ua teb upstate.

Um, thaum kawg tau txiav txim siab tsiv mus puv sijhawm mus ua liaj ua teb, um, thiab tom qab ntawd tau tawm kuv txoj haujlwm ntawm Khoom Noj thiab Dej. Thiab tom qab ntawd kuv tab tom nrhiav ib yam dab tsi uas kuv tuaj yeem ua tau nyob deb, thiab yog thaum kuv pom World Beyond War, uas tau tso cai rau kuv ua haujlwm nyob deb thiab tseem ua cov haujlwm uas kuv nyiam, tab sis los ntawm Farm Off grid.

Um, thiab nws yog tiag tiag, koj paub, kuv tsis muaj keeb kwm yav dhau los ntawm kev thaj yeeb nyab xeeb lossis kev tawm tsam kev ua tsov rog. Kuv keeb kwm yav dhau yog nyob rau hauv no ib puag ncig hom khoom noj khoom haus system ua hauj lwm. Um, tab sis kuv, koj paub, tam sim ntawd paub txog kev sib tshuam ntawm txhua yam ntawm no thiab [00:07:00] yuav ua li cas kev tsov rog sib txuas tiag tiag, raws li koj paub, zoo li, kuv paub tseeb tias peb yuav tham txog ib yam nkaus. .

Koj paub, kev puas tsuaj ib puag ncig, kev hloov pauv huab cua, um, koj paub, nws yog txhua yam ntawm ib qho kev ua tsis ncaj ncees uas muaj txhua qhov sib txawv ntawm cov tentacles. Um, thiab World Beyond War yeej hais rau kuv vim peb coj txoj kev sib tshuam. Um, yog li kuv, qhov ntawd yog qhov kuv tau koom nrog. Qhov ntawd yog li cas kuv tau mus, ua haujlwm nrog World Beyond War thiab ntawm no kuv yog tsib xyoos tom qab.

Jovanni: Ua tsaug. Ua tsaug. Zoo heev. Aw, anna.

Anna: Yog lawm, yog li kuv txoj kev mus rau kev tawm tsam kev ua tsov ua rog, kev taug kev ntawm imperial lossis kev koom ua ke yog, um, tias kuv niam kuv txiv tau tsiv teb tsaws chaw los ntawm Serbia thaum tsov rog ntawm cuaj caum. Yog li kuv loj hlob tuaj kawm ntau yam txog lub luag haujlwm tsis zoo uas Asmeskas ua si, uh, nyob ntawd, koj paub, Asmeskas tau foob nws lub tsev kho mob, chaw tsim khoom, kev tsim vaj tsev. Uh, thiab yog li muaj kev puas tsuaj ntau heev, uh, uas kuv, uas kuv txawm pom thaum kuv yuav mus xyuas kuv tsev neeg [00:08:00]. Kuv nco qab thaum me nyuam yaus, um, tsav tsheb ncig hauv plawv nroog Belgrade lub Capitol, thiab, thiab tseem muaj. Cov tsev uas yog, uh, foob pob thiab tsuas yog txiav tawm hauv qhov chaw, uh, los ntawm Asmeskas kev sib tw foob pob. Uh, yog li, koj paub, Kuv loj hlob kev kawm los ntawm kuv tsev neeg ntau txog, um, lub luag haujlwm uas Asmeskas ua si thoob ntiaj teb.

Uh, thiab, thiab paub, koj paub, dhau los ntawm qhov ntawd thiab, thiab los ntawm kev loj hlob tuaj tias Serbia tsis yog qhov tsis txaus ntseeg tiag tiag, thiab qhov ntawd yog qhov tiag tiag li cas Asmeskas ua haujlwm thoob ntiaj teb, uh, uas yog los ntawm kev thab plaub me, cov tebchaws txom nyem, nyiaj txiag thiab militarily, mus rau qhov kev txaus siab ntawm US cov neeg tseem ceeb. Uh, yog li kuv muaj qhov kev sib txuas ntawm tus kheej, tab sis kuj pom qhov ntawd, koj paub, muaj qhov xav tau tiag tiag, rau cov neeg hauv Teb Chaws Asmeskas tau npaj tawm tsam kev npau taws.

Yog li nyob ib ncig ntawm 2018, kuv tau koom nrog kev koom tes hauv Boston tawm tsam, uh, Asmeskas kev koom tes hauv kev ua tsov rog hauv Yemen tshwj xeeb. Tab sis tom qab ntawd raws li tau hais, thiab, thiab peb mam li tham [00:09:00] txog, uh, koom nrog qee yam, uh, lwm yam kev koom tes tawm tsam kev ua tsov rog nrog Iran thiab. Thiab, uh, yog. Lwm yam uas peb yuav tham txog.

Tab sis yog, qhov ntawd yog me ntsis txog, uh, cas kuv tuaj ntawm no.

Jovanni: Txaus siab. Kuv raug xa mus rau yav dhau los Yugoslavia, um, hauv 96. Thiab qhov tseeb, um, Greta tau caw kuv mus rau ib lub vaj huam sib luag ib zaug thiab, thiab, um, ntawm qhov ntawd los tham.

txog qhov ntawd thiab lub luag haujlwm ntawm nato, thiab lwm yam. Qhov ntawd yog, qhov ntawd yog NATO thawj zaug, thawj zaug ua tsov rog, puas yog?

Greta: Yog.

Jovanni: Thiab, thiab lub vaj huam sib luag, muaj ib tug neeg kuj, uh, los ntawm cheeb tsam, Kuv ntseeg tias nws yog los ntawm Serbia ib yam nkaus, thiab nws, thiab nws tau hais txog, uh, nws tau piav qhia vim tias nws tau nyob hauv nws thaum lub kev foob pob, nws piav qhia tias txhua yam poob mus li cas. Kuv xav tias nws poob nws niam nws txiv nyob rau hauv, thaum lub sij hawm foob pob.

Thiab nws tau tsa los ntawm, los ntawm pog yawg. Puas yog qhov nws yog? Greta?

Greta: Kuv tsis nco qab cov ntsiab lus, thov txim. Tab sis kuv nco qab nws piav txog nws yog menyuam yaus thaum lub foob pob tau poob.

Jovanni: Yog.
Anna: Zoo siab heev. Peb yuav tau tham txog qhov ntawd ntxiv, [00:10:00] tab sis yog.

Jovanni: Cia wb mus nrog. Peb xav, kom muaj kev sib tham no yog peb xav tham txog lub xeev, ntawm Asmeskas kev tawm tsam kev ua tsov ua rog lossis kev thaj yeeb, uh, kev txav mus los. Koj paub, lawv nyob qhov twg, koj paub, lub xeev ntawm hnub no yog dab tsi? kuv ua raws World Beyond War, uh, ntau, uh, ua raws, uh, David, uh, sau. Um, thiab kuv mus, uh, mus rau, um, mus rau lub rooj sib tham lossis rooj sib tham uas lawv tau rov qab los, hauv poli yog 16, yog kab sib chaws. Qhov ntawd yog qhov peb ntsib.

Greta: Um, oh, uas yog, uh, tsis muaj tsov rog 2018 hauv toronto, 2018.

Jovanni: Yog. Yog lawm. Uh, yog li kuv tau ua raws li, yog li hauv ib qho kev xam phaj uas, uas, uh, um, Tias David, uh, um, wa tau koom nrog, nws raug nug tib lo lus nug. Lub xeev ntawm Asmeskas yog dab tsi, kev tawm tsam tawm tsam, koj paub, lawv nyob qhov twg? Nws hais tias, koj paub, nws tseem muaj sia nyob. Nws tseem nyob ntawd. Muaj teeb meem, muaj kev sib tw, tab sis nws tseem muaj.

Thiab, thiab nws tau muab ob peb piv txwv ntawm, ntawm tej yam uas, uas muaj, uh, um, [00:11:00] tau tshwm sim, um, thiab, koj paub, kev ua thiab kev ua tiav, nrog rau kev tawm tsam kev ua tsov rog. Um, tab sis, uh, tab sis kuv nug koj yog, koj puas paub tias feem ntau cov neeg tawm tsam txoj cai, uh, tab sis koj puas xav tias lawv yog kev tawm tsam kev ua tsov ua rog? Uh, koj puas xav tias feem ntau ntawm, uh, ntawm kev ua haujlwm ntawm no hauv Tebchaws Meskas, um, nyiam tsis quav ntsej txog qhov no?

Txoj cai? Um, koj puas xav tias, uh, nws yog qhov tseem ceeb rau, rau cov neeg tawm tsam hauv Tebchaws Meskas?

Greta: Yog lawm, kuv txhais tau tias, kuv tuaj yeem chime hauv. Kuv xav tias hauv Asmeskas nws yog tiag tiag, kuv xav tias nws yog ib qho kev sib tw loj rau peb ua ib lub koom haum tiv thaiv kev ua tsov ua rog lossis kev tawm tsam kev ua tsov rog los txhawb tib neeg vim kev ua tsov rog nyob deb, txoj cai ? Tib neeg tsis pom kev tsov rog hauv lawv lub neej niaj hnub. Um, nws txawv heev dua li lub sijhawm Nyab Laj uas muaj cov cua ntsawj ntshab thiab, thiab qhov pom ntawm cov xov xwm tseem ceeb ntawm kev ua tsov ua rog. Um, yog li kuv xav tias peb qhov kev sib tw ua cov koom haum yog ua kom pom kev ua tsov rog. Um, thiab peb tuaj yeem ua tau ntau txoj hauv kev los ntawm [00:12:00] kev piav dab neeg, los ntawm kev muaj webinars zoo li qhov koj tau piav qhia, Jovanni, nrog koj thiab Anna Maria goer tham txog qhov kev ua tsov rog ua ntej.

Um, Kuv xav tias kuj yog peb cov kev cov nyom, koj paub, hauv kev npaj peb hais, koj paub, ntsib cov neeg nyob qhov twg, txuas rau ib yam dab tsi uas cuam tshuam nrog lawv. Yog li yog tias kev ua tsov ua rog yog qhov deb ntawm lub tswv yim thiab xav tias zoo li ib qho nyuaj geopolitical, zoo li cas resonate nrog tib neeg? Puas yog lawv cov hnab tshos raug mob thiab kev lag luam hauv Teb Chaws Asmeskas Koj paub, puas yog kev hloov pauv huab cua? Um, thiab tom qab ntawd xaiv peb lub luag haujlwm hauv lub cev, raws li cov neeg tsim khoom yog los txuas cov dots ntawm cov khoom ntawd thiab tham txog yuav ua li cas kev tsov rog yog ib qho ntawm cov neeg txhawb nqa rau kev hloov pauv huab cua, kev ua tsov ua rog yog nqus li $ 2 trillion ib xyoo, uh, thoob ntiaj teb, thiab txuas cov dots thiab ua kom nws zoo li ib yam dab tsi tseem ceeb rau lawv.

Anna: Yog, nws nthuav. Kuv, kuv tsis paub tseeb tias feem coob ntawm cov neeg nyob hauv Asmeskas yog, txawm tias yog kev tawm tsam thiab txoj cai. Kev tshaj tawm ua tsov rog yog, muaj zog heev uas kuv xav tias ntau tus neeg [00:13:00] pom kev tsov rog Asmeskas, tshwj xeeb tshaj yog tias tsis muaj tub rog siv los ua ib txoj hauv kev rau Teb Chaws Asmeskas, koj paub, txhawb kev ywj pheej thiab kev ywj pheej. Thiab peb pom tias rhetoric tas li thiab hauv xov xwm.

Uh, yog li kuv xav tias ib qho ntawm cov haujlwm tseem ceeb rau kev tawm tsam kev ua tsov rog yog los qhia tib neeg txog qhov tseeb. Dab tsi, Asmeskas ua dab tsi thoob ntiaj teb nrog 800 ntxiv hauv paus? Uh, thiab qhia meej tias qhov tseeb nws ua dab tsi tsis yog qhov txaus siab ntawm cov neeg feem coob. Koj paub, cov neeg tau txais txiaj ntsig los ntawm US Hegemony yog CEOs thiab cov nom tswv.

Nws tsis yog neeg niaj hnub. Yog li kuv xav tias peb yuav tsum tau ua haujlwm tiag tiag los muab qhov ntawd ua ntej thiab txuas qhov ntawd rau tib neeg kev tawm tsam txhua hnub. Um, thiab hais txog, um, hauv zej zog activist, kuv xav tias nws nyuaj heev vim tias, Muaj cov neeg tawm tsam ua haujlwm rau qhov no, tab sis tshwj xeeb tshaj yog thaum Obama raug xaiv, cov kev tawm tsam tawm tsam tsuas yog tsaug zog.

Thiab, koj paub, nws tau raug xaiv los ntawm tag nrho cov lus cog tseg cuav uas tib neeg tsuas yog [00:14:00] txais. Thiab txawm tias thaum twg, koj paub, nws txuas ntxiv thiab nce txhua qhov kev tsov rog tib yam, um, tib neeg tsis yog, tsis tau nce mus rau cov lus nug tiag tiag thiab tawm tsam lawv tib yam li thaum Bush nyob ib puag ncig. Thiab kuv xav tias qhov zoo li qub tau tshwm sim tam sim no nrog Biden, tias ntau tus neeg uas tau tawm tsam ntau yam kev tsov kev rog nyob rau hauv Trump yog nyob ntsiag to.

Thiab, um, kuv xav tias nws yog qhov kev foob ntawm kev nom tswv loj dua vim tias Biden txoj cai tsuas yog txuas ntxiv ntawm Trump's, koj paub, uas yog txuas ntxiv ntawm Obama's thiab, koj paub, qhov no dhau mus dhau kev ua tsov ua rog, tab sis kuj cuam tshuam txog yam xws li kev nkag tebchaws thiab, thiab cov teebmeem opioid thiab kev kho mob thiab, thiab lwm yam. Tab sis kuv xav tias qhov ntawd yog qhov dav dav uas peb yuav tsum tau, nyiam, tawm tsam nrog tib neeg.

Jovanni: Tsuas yog hais kom meej qhov kuv tau hais, uh, um, tib neeg yog lub hauv paus ntsiab lus, uh, tawm tsam kev ua tsov rog hauv Tebchaws Meskas. Puas yog qhov koj hais, thaum Obama khiav, nws tau khiav tawm tsam Tsov Rog Iraq thiab nws tau txais tag nrho cov kev txhawb nqa thiab, thiab tag nrho nws cov pov npav thiab txhua yam. Raws li koj tau hais, ntau ntawm, kev tawm tsam, uh, [00:15:00] pawg uas tau ua haujlwm, uh, thaum lub sijhawm Bush, koj paub, zoo li tsis muaj kev tawm tsam ntau, feem ntau yog tawm tsam. hav zoov, txoj cai?

Tab sis, tab sis, tab sis lawv tau pov npav rau, rau Obama vim yog, ntawm nws cov lus hais tawm tsam kev ua tsov ua rog hauv, hauv, hauv Iraq, uas yog lub sijhawm pom tau zoo heev thiab, thiab, thiab tshaj tawm thiab cov khoom zoo li ntawd. Um, Trump tau khiav ntawm tib yam, ntawm tib yam. Koj paub, Trump tau khiav ntawm tib yam, um, koj paub, hu tawm, Hillary Clintons, koj paub, tsov rog mongering, uh, hu tawm, koj paub, uh, Obama's, tab sis tsov rog mongering hu tawm txawm Bush, nws yog tus kheej tog .

Jeb Bush, kuv, yog tias koj nco txog ib qho, ib qho kev sib cav. Nws hu Jeb Bush thiab nws cov kwv tij yog mon thiab Iraq thiab txhua yam. Yog li koj pom ntau tus neeg uas txheeb xyuas tias yog kev saib xyuas, txoj cai. Koj paub, txhawb nqa, uh, Trump lossis, um, vim nws qhov zoo li yog kev tawm tsam kev ua tsov rog thaum lub sijhawm. Tab sis tib yam yog kev txuas ntxiv, txoj cai? Um, ces koj tau txais, koj paub, koj tau txais, koj tau txais, qhov ntawd yog qhov kuv txhais los ntawm txoj cai. Tab sis tib neeg ntawm txoj cai yog tawm tsam, tawm tsam kev ua tsov ua rog, tab sis hauv kev nqis tes ua, koj paub, tej zaum yuav hais qee yam txawv.[00:16:00]

Um, uh, Shiloh, mus tom ntej.

Shiloh: Yog lawm, kuv nyuam qhuav muaj cov lus nug nyob ib puag ncig, um, Kuv tsis paub meej tias koj ob leeg koom nrog zoo li cov hluas, um, cov neeg tawm tsam, tab sis kuv xav paub yog tias koj nyiam, koj pom qhov txawv li cas? nyob rau hauv cov tub ntxhais hluas hnub no, um, nyob rau hauv lawv

views ntawm tsov rog militarism, um, as opposed to nyiam tiam ua ntej lawv los yog, um, peb tiam thiab hais txog.

Greta: Yog lawm. Yog lawm. Kuv twv koj xav mus ua ntej los yog kuv yuav tsum tau, ok. Um, yog lawm, kuv tsuas yog yuav hais los ntawm qhov kuv pom, thiab tshwj xeeb tshaj yog nrog rau, nrog kuv lub kaus mom ua liaj ua teb, um, peb khiav, uh, kev xyaum ua haujlwm rau cov tub ntxhais hluas feem ntau nyiam 18 txog 25, kwv yees li. Um, thiab yog li peb tau txais ntau tus neeg los ntawm qhov kev zov me nyuam thiab qhov kuv pom yog, Hauv, hauv kuv qhov kev qhia dav dav, uh, yog cov neeg, cov tub ntxhais hluas no txaus siab rau hom kev ua haujlwm ntawm tes uas Kuv twb tham txog.

Qhov kuv, qhov kuv yuav sau li zoo li [00:17:00] regenerative ua haujlwm. Thiab peb kuj pom qhov ntawd zoo li Covid, nrog kev loj hlob ntawm kev sib koom tes sib koom tes. Thiab kuv xav tias zoo li muaj qhov kev ntshaw no. Thiab kuv kuj yog ib tug hluas, kuv kuj hais tias kuv, koj paub, kuv tab tom hais rau kuv tus kheej ib yam nkaus, muaj qhov kev ntshaw no, koj paub, tej yam uas yog pob zeb, uas yog tangible uas peb tuaj yeem hloov pauv ntawm no thiab tam sim no.

Hom li yuav luag hloov txoj kev ua neej, tab sis dhau ntawd, kev hloov hauv zej zog ib yam nkaus. Um, thiab kuv xav rau kuv thiab los ntawm lwm tus uas kuv tham nrog, Kuv xav tias nws kuj yog ib qho kev tshwm sim rau qhov tseeb tias peb pom zoo li Washington ua gridlocked, zoo li peb nyuam qhuav tham txog. Zoo li, nws tsis muaj teeb meem leej twg nyob hauv chaw ua haujlwm, txoj cai?

Tib txoj cai yog txuas ntxiv Republican, Democrat, Republican, democrat. Thiab yog li ntawd thaum Washington yog gridlock, thiab zoo li peb cov nom tswv tsis ncaj ncees, peb tuaj yeem ua rau cov no, koj paub, hauv av hloov mus rau hauv paus tsim lwm txoj hauv kev uas peb xav pom. Yog li ntawd yog qhov uas kuv pom ntau cov tub ntxhais hluas zoo li txav mus rau qhov kev taw qhia ntawd.

Thiab tom qab ntawd kuj, ntawm chav kawm, peb pom nws cuam tshuam, cov tub ntxhais hluas, koom nrog kev ncaj ncees ntawm huab cua thiab tseem nyob hauv kev sib raug zoo kev ncaj ncees, kev sib ntxub ntawm haiv neeg kev ncaj ncees. [00:18:00] Um, thiab tag nrho cov no yog interconnected li, raws li peb tab tom tham txog. Nws yog tag nrho, thiab koj paub, lub tshuab ua tsov rog yog nyob rau ntawm qhov sib txuas ntawm txhua qhov no, tab sis kuv xav tias tib neeg tsis tas yuav siv qhov framing.

Thiab kuv xav tias yog peb qhov kev sib tw yog, dua, hom kev sib txuas cov dots. Thiab thaum kuv tham nrog, piv txwv li, interns hauv peb txoj haujlwm ua liaj ua teb thiab tham txog kuv, kuv world beyond war ua hauj lwm, lawv, lawv, koj paub, tam sim no feem ntau pom zoo nrog kuv thiab, thiab pom tag nrho cov interconnection, tab sis lawv tsis tas sau lawv tus kheej li anti-kev ua tsov ua rog activists. Tej zaum ntau kuv xav hais, tawm tsam imperialist lossis anti-capitalist. Um, yog li kuv xav dua, hom kev sim coj tag nrho cov khoom no ua ke yog, yog qhov kev sib tw.

Anna: Yog, kiag li. Kuv xav tias kuj muaj qhov sib txawv rau kuv ntawm, koj paub, feem ntau cov tub ntxhais hluas, cia peb hais cov tub ntxhais kawm thiab cov tsev kawm qib siab lossis qee yam zoo li ntawd, lawv, lawv nyiam, Kuv xav tias, zoo nkauj apathetic thiab zoo nkauj tsom zoo rau lawv txoj haujlwm thiab, thiab ntau ntawm lawv tam sim no, Piv txwv li, yug thaum, koj paub, [00:19:00] txoj hauj lwm ntawm Afghanistan pib.

Li ntawd, zoo li lawv tsis paub ib lub sijhawm thaum muaj, koj paub, txhua yam txawv. Thiab cov kev tsov kev rog no tsuas yog tsis muaj qhov kawg. Um, thiab yog li no, kuv xav tias, txawv me ntsis thiab siab dua li peb hais, koj paub, lub sijhawm Nyab Laj. Kuv xav tias ntau tus, koj paub, cov neeg laus uas tau koom nrog qhov kev txav ntawd, um, muaj qhov sib txawv heev, koj paub, huab cua thiab huab cua.

Um, tab sis yog, kuv pom zoo nrog Greta hauv qhov ntawd, nyob rau hauv qhov chaw ntawm cov neeg uas twb los tom ntej thiab hom kev koom tes thiab kev koom ua ke, uh, tib neeg zoo siab heev thiab txog kev sib txuas, uh, imperialism thiab, thiab cov teeb meem no rau, koj paub, capitalism thiab dab tsi yog qhov system hais txog thiab yuav ua li cas peb ua tau los ua ke los hloov nws. Yog li ntawd, kuv xav tias, uh, yog. Zoo saib heev.

Jovanni: Txhais imperialism. Kuv paub koj ob leeg siv lo lus imperialism thiab, thiab nws yog ib lo lus uas tau cuam tshuam ntau heev, uh, tab sis kuv tsis paub tseeb tias tib neeg yeej nkag siab qhov ntawd txhais tau li cas.

Anna: Yog. Yog li ntawd rau kuv qhov txawv ntawm kev tawm tsam thiab kev tawm tsam imperialist yog tias, uh, [00:20:00] cov neeg uas tawm tsam imperialist tsis yog, uh, tawm tsam txhua qhov kev tsov kev rog, tshwj xeeb tshaj yog cov ntawm, ntawm kev ywj pheej. Qhov ntawd yog tus yuam sij, uh, qhov txawv rau kuv. Txawm hais tias kev tawm tsam kev ua tsov ua rog yog qee qhov, koj paub, cov neeg nyob hauv cov chaw no tuaj yeem hais, koj paub, lawv yog cov neeg pacifists thiab cov khoom zoo li ntawd, tab sis kev tawm tsam imperialist yog, kuv xav, txawv.

Nws yog ntau tawm tsam, um, imperialism thiab capitalism raws li ib tug system, uh, yog lawm. Dominates cov neeg nyob ib ncig ntawm lub ntiaj teb no. Yog li ntawd qhov txawv rau kuv.

Greta: Yog lawm, kuv yuav pom zoo nrog qhov ntawd. Thiab kuv twv tej zaum tsim tawm ntawm qhov ntawd, zoo li. Tej zaum yav dhau los. Feem ntau imperialism zoo li qhov tseem ceeb colonialism, txoj cai? Invading lwm lub teb chaws.

Um, feem ntau yog qhov nws cuam tshuam nrog. Tab sis kuv xav tias kuj zoo li qhov koj tau txais ntawm Anna zoo li, nws yog qhov loj dua tam sim no. Zoo li thaum peb nyob hauv lub ntiaj teb uas muaj thoob ntiaj teb, zoo li thaum peb cuam tshuam lub sij hawm ntawd, kuv xav tias peb coob leej tham txog ib yam dab tsi dhau lub teb chaws. Qhov no yog ib tug loj multinational conglomerate system capitalist.

kiag li. Kuv xav tias qhov ntawd yog qhov tseem ceeb tiag tiag vim [00:21:00] yog, imperialism, uh, nws muaj, tau hloov pauv ntau yam zoo li lub xyoo dhau los. Koj paub, ua ntej muaj cov colonies thiab hom ncaj qha, uh, subjugation ntawm tib neeg thiab exploitation thiab tam sim no nws yog me ntsis subtle nyob rau hauv lub siab ntawm, koj paub, qhov kuv yuav hais yog neocolonialism qhov twg lub teb chaws nominally ywj siab, tab sis lawv tsoom fwv, uh, pab cov txiaj ntsig ntawm lub hwj chim loj dua. Yog lawm. Tuam Tshoj, peb, Russia, koj muaj dab tsi. Um, yog li ntawd, kuv xav tias nws yog qhov tseem ceeb heev vim kuv xav tias ntau tus neeg xav txog imperialism yog qhov yooj yim uas, tsuas yog colonialism thiab nws, nws yog kiag li, koj paub, hloov tam sim no.

Henri: Hauv kev hais lus tsuas yog hais txog kev tawm tsam kev tawm tsam, tag nrho kuv, kuv tau xav txog qhov sib txawv ntawm kev sib raug zoo rau cov pej xeem Asmeskas nruab nrab txhawj xeeb txog qhov zoo li lawv yuav muaj nrog lub cev los ntawm Nyab Laj thiab los yog txawm tias, koj paub, cov xov xwm tshaj tawm ntawm, zoo li, thawj Gulf War lossis pib ntawm [00:22:00] Kev Ua Haujlwm Iraqi Kev ywj pheej uas peb.

Peb tau txais txiaj ntsig zoo ntawm kev tsim tsov rog uas tsis yog tsov rog tiag tiag los ntawm cov neeg Amelikas thiab tshaj li cov neeg Amelikas tuag rov los tsev lossis cov neeg raug mob. Um, dab tsi ntxiv yog cov neeg Amelikas yuav nrhiav tus nqi uas lawv yuav hais, qhov no tsis yog lawm. Kuv xav tau ib yam dab tsi hloov. Los yog tsawg kawg kuv xav nkag siab qhov xwm txheej. Koj paub, ntawm tej yam xws li kev rau txim, ntawm tej yam xws li kev ua haujlwm tshwj xeeb uas muaj peev xwm muaj me me lily ncoo hauv paus uas tuaj yeem tuaj ntawm ib qho, koj paub, hauv lub sijhawm luv thiab tseem tawm hauv lub sijhawm luv. Um, kev siv cov drones uas peb tau txais zoo heev nrog lub zog me me uas peb muaj tam sim no piv rau, hais tias, lub sijhawm Nyab Laj, tab sis nws tseem raug cais tawm tag nrho cov neeg feem coob yuav, dab tsi, yam kuv xav tias feem coob yuav. nrhiav nyob rau hauv cov nqe lus ntawm kev txiav txim siab lawv yuav tawm tsam tsov rog. Tshwj xeeb tshaj yog vim peb, thiab, thiab, thiab qhov loj tshaj ntawm qhov ntawd yog vim cov neeg Asmeskas yog li [00:23:00] tsis paub. Ntawm, ntawm, ntawm imperialist xwm ntawm, ntawm peb lub teb chaws, ntawm txhua yam uas peb nyob nraum ua tiag tiag, ntawm tsim economic systems nyob rau hauv qhov chaw uas US corporations coj. Thiab txhua lub koom haum uas cov neeg nyob ntawd yuav muaj tam sim no ploj mus. Cov neeg Amelikas niaj hnub tsis nrhiav cov khoom no. Lawv tsis txhawj txog tej yam zoo li ntawd.

Greta: Thiab raws li koj tab tom hais, rau kuv nws tsuas yog coj kuv mus rau lo lus ntawm lwm tus, txoj cai? Thiab qhov tseeb tias peb nyiam lwm tus, cov teb chaws uas cov kab lis kev cai no, yog lwm yam thiab nws yog, nws yog, raws li koj tau hais, nws yog hom tawm ntawm Asmeskas radar, txoj cai? Lawv tsis yog, tsis muaj laj thawj rau lawv yuav tsum mob siab txog qhov ntawd. Thiab yog li ntawd, kuv xav tias qhov ntawd yog hom haujlwm ntawm peb cov neeg ua haujlwm thiab nyiam world Beyond War, tshwj xeeb tshaj yog ua ib lub ntiaj teb network uas yog lub hauv paus tiag tiag thaum peb tau tsim los ua lub ntiaj teb network. Thiab peb paub tias peb tsis tuaj yeem yog los ntawm ib lub tebchaws ib leeg hu rau kev tshem tawm tag nrho lub tsev haujlwm ntawm kev ua tsov ua rog,

tab sis hais tias peb xav tau lub ntiaj teb no txav los ntawm txhua yam los ntawm cov neeg uas yog, nws lub teb chaws yog invader thiab los ntawm cov neeg uas nyob rau, [00:24:00] koj paub, invading sab thiab los ntawm txhua leej txhua tus los tham txog qhov cuam tshuam ntawm lub ua tsov rog tshuab, tshwj xeeb tshaj yog US War tshuab.

Thiab yog li, koj paub, ib feem ntawm peb txoj haujlwm yog, um, hom pej xeem, pej xeem rau pej xeem diplomacy thiab, koj paub, kev sib pauv kab lis kev cai thiab tsuas yog tus nqi ntawm kev muaj webinars thiab thoob ntiaj teb tes hauj lwm uas peb tuaj yeem ua tam sim no nrog technology thiab rau sim ua hom humanize lwm tus.

Jovanni: Rov qab mus rau imperialism. Yog li kuv pom ntawm no, um, Len Len tsib yam ntxwv ntawm imperialism, puas yog? Uh, ib tug, lub luag hauj lwm ntawm economic concentration. Qhov thib ob, kev tswj hwm ntawm nyiaj txiag, peev peb, qhov tseem ceeb ntawm peev export. Plaub, lub spatial stratification ntawm lub ntiaj teb no los ntawm kev ua lag luam dominance. Thiab tsib, kev nom kev tswv qhov ntev ntawm spatial stratification ntawm lub ntiaj teb. Um, yog li cov ntawd yog, cov ntawd yog, uh, yam ntxwv uas nws muab, uh, rov qab rau thaum ntxov xyoo pua 20th.[00:25:00] Zoo li koj hais, uh, Anna, uh, lub ntiaj teb tau hloov pauv. , uh, uh, uh, ntau ntau thoob plaws hauv lub xyoo, thoob plaws lub xyoo dhau los no. Uh, rov qab muaj ntau lub chaw sib txawv. Muaj ob peb lub chaw ntawm lub peev rov qab los. Koj muaj, cov British, koj muaj Fabkis, uh, Portuguese.

Tab sis hnub no qhov no zoo li yog qhov, nws zoo li qhov muag plooj, zoo li koj tau hais ua ntej, cov chaw hauv nroog zoo li nyob thoob plaws ntiaj teb. Uh, siv los ua tus thawj coj los ntawm ib txhais tes ntawm cov tuam txhab sib txawv, cov koom haum koom nrog.

Anna: Tsis yog, qhov ntawd yog, qhov ntawd yog, qhov ntawd pab tau. Yog lawm. Kuv txhais tau tias, kuv xav tias nws cov lus tseem muaj tseeb niaj hnub no.

Kuv txhais tau tias, qhov tseem ceeb kuv xav tias yog, zoo ib yam, tab sis koj paub, rov qab ces nws yog feem ntau los ntawm, um, yog. Colonies thiab, thiab koj paub, los ntawm kev sib txawv liberation, um, tawm tsam thoob plaws hauv 50 rau caum, xya caum, uas tau hloov pauv. Thiab tam sim no, yog, nws yog me ntsis ntxiv, uh, discreet. Tab sis kuv xav tias ntawm, ntawm qhov tseem ceeb, ntawm lub hauv paus, nws yog, nws yog tib yam kev khiav hauj lwm[00:26:00]

Jovanni: yog li ntawd, raws li deb li deb ntawm kev tawm tsam, um, kev ua tsov ua rog, yog kev tsov rog kinetic tib txoj kev ua tsov rog yuav tsum muaj kev txhawj xeeb nrog? Los yog yuav tsum activists kuj, koj paub, yuav mob siab rau lwm tus, uh, txoj kev, ntawm kev ua tsov ua rog, tsim kev puas tsuaj, xws li kev tsov kev rog, xov xwm ua tsov ua rog, cyber tsov rog txoj cai, ncaj ncees, diplomatic tsov rog, puas siab puas ntsws tsov rog, tsov rog los ntawm proxy nyiaj, kev tawm tsam kom tsis ruaj khov, thiab tag nrho cov no yog cov ntsiab lus ntawm, ntawm kev ua tsov rog tom qab tiam los yog kev ua tsov rog hybrid. Koj pom qhov no li cas?

Greta: Yog lawm, kuv txhais tau tias, Kuv xav tias txhua yam tseem ceeb heev uas peb yuav tsum tau qhia tib neeg txog. Um, kev rau txim tshwj xeeb, koj paub, koj tau hais tias yog qee yam uas peb ua haujlwm thiab ua cov ntawv tseeb thiab webinars rau, thiab muaj ntau pab pawg uas tau mob siab rau qhov teeb meem ntawd. Um, tab sis kuv xav tias, kuv txhais tau tias, qhov no, lo lus nug no muaj feem xyuam rau txhua yam uas peb nyuam qhuav tau tham txog ntawm imperialism thiab hom amorphous, ntiaj teb kev peev txheej uas nws yuav ua rau txhua qhov sib txawv thiab, koj paub. , the, the [00:27:00] tswj kev tshaj tawm thiab tag nrho cov ntawd. Yog li nws yog, nws yog txhua yam cuam tshuam thiab nws yog txhua yam peb yuav tsum tau ua haujlwm.

Thiab kuv xav tias nws tsuas yog, koj paub, hais txog qhov tseem ceeb ntawm kev kawm thiab rau lub ntiaj teb dhau qhov uas peb muaj ob txoj kev kawm thiab, thiab kev nqis tes ua. Ua ntej debunking, dab tsi yog dab neeg ntawm kev ua tsov ua rog debunking, dab tsi cov neeg tau pom nyob rau hauv lub mainstream xov xwm, muab cov dab neeg hais los ntawm tus kheej account thiab los ntawm ntau yam ntaub ntawv kev kawm los qhia thiab ces muab cov kev paub rau hauv xyaum los ntawm activist campaigns.

Um, yog li ntawd, Tiag tiag, ib feem tseem ceeb ntawm peb lub luag haujlwm ua cov neeg tawm tsam yog qhov pib ua peb tus kheej tshaj tawm raws li peb tab tom ua tam sim no los ntawm cov podcast no, um, los muab cov lus piav qhia sib txawv. Um, thiab, koj paub, peb tau pom li ntawd, ntau txoj hauv kev zoo siab thiab muaj tswv yim uas tau tshwm sim, zoo li nrog kev loj hlob ntawm subs thiab, thiab lwm yam platforms uas tau tso cai rau tib neeg pib tawm, uh, sib txawv piav qhia.

Anna: Yog, kuv pom zoo. Kuv xav tias lawv yog txhua yam tseem ceeb ntawm nws thiab ntawm Teb Chaws Asmeskas ua tsov rog tshuab tshwj xeeb, koj paub, piv txwv li, diplomacy. Um, vim kuv [00:28:00] xav tias, tej yam zoo li ntawd tuaj yeem siv los dag ntxias tib neeg los xav tias Asmeskas yog lub zog rau qhov zoo tab sis nws tsis yog, nws yog, uh, tsuas yog lwm txoj hauv kev rau Asmeskas sim kom ruaj ntseg nws cov kev txaus siab.

Ib qho piv txwv zoo ntawm qhov ntawd yog Iran nuclear deal. Koj paub, Teb Chaws Asmeskas tau mus rau hauv qhov no, kuv tsis xav tawm ntawm lub siab zoo ntawm nws lub siab, tab sis tiag tiag sim yuav tawm ib ntu ntawm Iranian cov neeg tseem ceeb rau, koj paub, Uh, ua raws li US nyiam. Uh, thiab thaum kawg, koj paub, cov teeb meem sab hauv rau Asmeskas hom, uh, ua rau qhov ntawd raug muab pov tseg. Thiab txawm tias tam sim no nws yog, nws tsis yog qhov tseeb yog tias qhov ntawd yuav tshwm sim dua. Uh, tshwj xeeb tshaj yog nrog lub luag haujlwm ntawm Tuam Tshoj hauv cheeb tsam. Uh, thiab txawm tias kuv xav tias nws tsuas yog niaj hnub no uas, uh, Iran thiab Saudi Arabia hom tau piav qhia, um, muaj peev xwm, uh, normalizing kev sib raug zoo. Uh, thiab zoo li Tuam Tshoj tau ua lub luag haujlwm nyob ntawd thiab.

Yog li, um, tej yam yeej zoo li spiraling rau US hauv qhov kev nkag siab ntawd. Um, tab sis kuv xav tias diplomacy hauv qhov kev nkag siab ntawd, koj paub, yuav tsum tau [00:29:00] nthuav tawm rau qhov nws yog dab tsi. Uh, thiab tom qab ntawd tsuas yog me ntsis ntawm kev rau txim thiab. Kuv xav tias, uh, lub

Kev rau txim rau Russia tshwj xeeb yog, yog ib txoj hauv kev tseem ceeb los nthuav tawm qhov no rau tib neeg vim tias kev nplua yeej tsis ua mob rau Russia.

Lawv feem ntau tau ntxiv dag zog rau nws thiab yuam lwm lub tebchaws kom ncaj, uh, nrog lawv hauv rubal. Uh, thiab koj paub, nrog qhov uas nws raug mob rau tib neeg, koj paub, piv txwv li, hauv lub teb chaws Yelemees thiab, thiab lwm yam, thiab lwm qhov chaw thoob plaws ntiaj teb vim, uh, kev rau txim yog, uh, txiav lawv tawm ntawm kev nkag mus rau Lavxias teb sab khoom. thiab tag nrho cov ntawd.

Yog li ntawd yog dab tsi tiag tiag txog? Kuv xav tias peb yuav tsum tau rub qhov ntawd, um, pem hauv ntej thiab nruab nrab nrog tib neeg.

Jovanni: Yog lawm, tsuas yog, yog li tsuas yog rov hais dua qhov koj tab tom hais yog qhov ntawd, thiab dab tsi, dab tsi, uh, Greta tau hais tias muaj cov pab pawg uas cuam tshuam nrog kev qhia cov neeg raug nplua, txoj cai? Kuv xav tias, uh, um, zoo li dhau 40 lub tebchaws, tshaj 40 lub tebchaws raug nplua, puas yog? Feem ntau ntawm cov kev rau txim lub teb chaws yog cov teb chaws nyob rau hauv lub ntiaj teb no sab qab teb uas nyob ntawm lub ntiaj teb no sab qaum teb, uh, [00:30:00] peev los txhim kho, tab sis los ntawm sanctioning koj zoo nkauj heev txiav lawv tawm ntawm, core center capital, thiab koj zoo nkauj npaum li cas. , nws yog ib txoj kev, kev rau txim rau tag nrho cov pej xeem vim tam sim no lub teb chaws zoo nkauj heev commiserated, uh, lawv nyob nraum, lawv raug thawb ntau dua rau hauv kev txom nyem vim yog kev rau txim.

Txoj cai. Uh, Russia, koj hais, txoj cai, nws yog thawj zaug lub teb chaws qhov loj, um, puas tau raug nplua. Koj paub, txog qhov no, kuv txhais tau hais tias, Kuv xav tias Russia tam sim no coj mus rau lub ntiaj teb, raws li lub tebchaws raug nplua tshaj plaws hauv ntiaj teb. Thiab vim li ntawd, vim li ntawd, lwm lub tebchaws raug nplua, txoj cai, koj paub, um, zoo nkauj npaum li cas, uh, sib sau ua ke ib ncig ntawm no, qhov no, uh, koj paub, koj paub, Russia, Tuam Tshoj thiab lwm yam zoo li ntawd.

Thiab vim hais tias, um, lub, lub txim txhaum tsoom fwv uas tau raug siv tawm tsam cov haiv neeg pluag, uh, zoo nkauj npaum li nws poob, nws, nws, um, nws muaj peev xwm mus txuas ntxiv no, txoj kev no, ntawm kev ua tsov ua rog. [00:31:00]

Anna: Um, yog, kiag li. Kuv xav tias yog, qhov ntawd yog, uh, ntau yam tshwm sim thiab muaj feem cuam tshuam rau tag nrho cov imperialist system, uas kuv xav tias muaj qee qhov kev puas tsuaj loj tam sim no.

Uh, thiab kuv xav tias peb txhua tus tuaj yeem pom zoo tias, koj paub, kev tawg ntawm Teb Chaws Asmeskas kev tswj hwm kev tswj hwm tsis yog kev thaj yeeb nyab xeeb. Yog li ntawd, muaj ntau yam kom muaj kev sib koom tes thiab tawm tsam, hauv ntau qhov kev xav.

Jovanni: Shiloh?

Shiloh: Yog, kuv muaj ob peb lo lus nug. Kuv xav tias peb xav nug koj ntxiv, Anna, txog, um, koj txoj haujlwm. Kev ua tsov ua rog hauv Yemen thiab coj kev mloog rau kev tua neeg ntawm General Soleimani um, thiab cov txiaj ntsig muaj nyob ntawd. Um, yog li koj xav tias ob qhov teeb meem no tau ua li cas, um, tau daws lossis nthuav tawm rau cov neeg Asmeskas thiab tseem cuam tshuam los ntawm cov neeg tawm tsam thiab, thiab [00:32:00] kev tawm tsam tawm tsam?

Anna: Yog, kuv xav nrog. Upsurge uas tshwm sim tom qab lub assassination ntawm Soleimani yog tiag tiag noteworthy. Kuv txhais tau tias, kuv paub hauv Boston muaj, muaj kev tawm tsam loj heev tawm tsam nws. Uh, ib yam dab tsi peb tsis tau pom thiab tsis tau pom muaj kev tawm tsam rau kev ua tsov rog hauv Yemen, piv txwv li.

Tab sis tib neeg, kuv xav tias yog qhov pom tias muaj peev xwm ua tsov rog ntawm Asmeskas thiab Iran yuav ua rau muaj kev puas tsuaj loj. Thiab, um, yog lawm, tab sis kuv xav tias muaj kev ua tsis tiav ntxiv ntawm qhov kev tawm tsam kev tawm tsam rau, koj paub, uh, txhais qhov kev nce siab mus rau hauv kev txav loj dua thiab koom nrog cov neeg uas tau nce mus tom ntej. Uh, yog li kuv xav tias yog qhov teeb meem loj uas yuav tsum tau tham txog. Thiab kuv, kuv xav tias nws muaj feem xyuam rau qee yam ntawm lwm yam uas peb xav tham txog ib puag ncig xws li silos thiab, thiab qee yam ntawm cov khoom uas tuaj nrog kev npau taws tawm tsam lub tshuab ua tsov rog. Um, tab sis hais txog kev ua tsov ua rog ntawm, uh, hauv Yemen, yog, kuv txhais tau tias, [00:33:00] Kuv xav tias tseem tsis tau muaj qhov tseem ceeb heev. Kuv txhais tau tias, muaj cov neeg uas tau tawm tsam nws rau lub xeem rau, xya xyoo uas tseem ua nws. Tab sis, uh, hais txog kev tawm tsam thoob plaws nrog rau, hauv Asmeskas pej xeem, uas qhov tseeb kuv xav tias kev xaiv tsa qhia tias feem ntau cov neeg tsis txhawb nws, tab sis qhov tseeb tsis yog ib txwm txhais rau cov neeg koom nrog. Um, yog li ntawd, qhov ntawd yog qhov thaiv tiag tiag vim tias, yog, kuv txhais tau tias, Asmeskas txhawb nqa Saudis. Nws tsis yog, koj paub, cov tub rog hauv av, tab sis nws yog qhov pib peb ua tsov rog hauv ntau, ntau, hauv txhua qhov kev xav, tag nrho lawv cov kev xav. Um, qhov kuv tau pom tiag tiag yog qhov teeb meem tseem ceeb ntawm qhov no yog, qhov kev ua siab phem tiag tiag, uh, los ntawm cov neeg hu ua kev vam meej thiab Democrats uas tau tawm tsam qhov kev ua tsov rog no thaum Trump ua haujlwm. Tab sis tam sim no uas Biden nyob hauv chaw ua haujlwm, tsis kam ua ib yam dab tsi, uh, tsis kam hais dab tsi, ua dab tsi. Um, thiab kuv xav tias. [00:34:00] Ib zaug ntxiv, yam tsis tau hu lawv tawm thiab tsis nyob, koj paub, ceev faj txog kev siv sijhawm ntawm cov nom tswv, kev tawm tsam kev ua tsov rog yog, yuav tsis mus ntxiv. Yog li kuv xav tias qhov ntawd yog ib yam uas tau tshwm sim tiag tiag, nrog rau Yemen tshwj xeeb.

Um, ib txhia tsis kam mus qhov ntawd. Lawv zoo li xav nyob twj ywm ntawm Democrats, tab sis yog tias muaj kev tawm tsam Republican, ces, thiab kuv tsuas yog tsis xav tias qhov ntawd yuav tau txais peb qhov no, koj paub, kev txhawb nqa peb xav tau.

Henri: Mus tom ntej, Greta.

Greta: Uas yog, huag, zoo kuv tau tsuas yog nodding kuv lub taub hau nyob rau hauv kev pom zoo thiab kuv txhais tau tias, um, nws yog ib tug keeb kwm lub sij hawm nyob rau hauv lub Trump cov thawj coj thaum tsov rog, uh, tsov rog Powers daws teeb meem. Qhov ntawd yog qhov zoo kawg. Tab sis nws tsuas yog dhau mus vim lawv paub Trump yuav veto nws, uh, thiab tam sim no lawv yuav tsis tso nws rau kev pov npav. Nws tsuas yog, koj paub, tiag tiag, tsis txaus siab tiag tiag thaum Bernie yuav tsis tso nws rau kev pov npav raws li Biden tus thawj coj.

Anna: Yog, kiag li.

Jovanni: Yog lawm. Yog li, yog li tham txog xov xwm, koj tau hais txog xov xwm ua ntej, Greta. Um, yog li, thiab peb tau hais ua ntej qhov, koj paub, kev tawm tsam, peb tau mus [00:35:00] rov qab tshwj xeeb hauv lub rau caum.

Koj paub, muaj lwm txoj cai ua ntej lub sixties. Muaj lwm qhov hauv, hauv qhov tseeb, uh, um, thaum ntxov xyoo pua 20th, ib qho loj, uh, tawm tsam, tawm tsam thawj Tsov Rog Ntiaj Teb. Um, tab sis, peb tab tom tham txog qhov, uh, uh, kev tawm tsam kev ua tsov rog nyob rau hauv lub sixties, txoj cai? Yog li rov qab ces peb muaj zoo li ib txhiab ntawv xov xwm, puas yog? Lub teb chaws muaj tshaj li ib txhiab ntawv xov xwm. Txoj cai? Tab sis muaj xwb, muaj tsuas yog peb xov xwm. Ntau pua txhiab tus neeg tawm tuaj, koj paub, rau, rau, koj paub, kom xaus, tsov rog hauv, hauv Nyab Laj. Thiab thaum ntawd peb muaj, peb muaj tshaj li ib txhiab ntawv xov xwm, puas yog?

Tab sis tsuas muaj zoo li peb, peb lub TV channel, txoj cai? Koj puas paub, A, B, C, N, B, C, thiab, thiab lwm tus yog dab tsi? A, B, C, N, B, C, Kuv tsis nco qab lwm tus, puas yog? Plaub nrog tus, nrog, nrog, nrog, uh, pej xeem, nrog, nrog pbc, txoj cai? Uh, nrog rau pej xeem network, pej xeem TV, txoj cai. Yog li, uh, txhua tus, txhua tus tau saib ib yam.

Tab sis txawm nrog qhov tsis muaj, koj paub, nrog cov xov xwm uas peb tau rov qab los, koj paub, peb tseem, cov neeg tseem tuaj tawm thiab cov, thiab cov troves thiab ntau txhiab, koj paub, thiab lawv [00:36:00 ] tau nyob thoob plaws lub tebchaws, koj paub, Washington txoj cai thiab, koj paub, lawv tsuas yog, koj paub, tag nrho cov neeg hais lus tawm los, koj paub, Martin Luther King, koj paub, Feem ntau cov neeg tuaj tawm, tag nrho cov koom haum no. Muaj zoo li, muaj zoo li lub ecosystem tiag tiag ntawm cov koom haum sib txawv, koj paub, ua haujlwm ua ke thiab, thiab uh, uh, koj paub, kom xaus kev ua tsov ua rog, los ua kom muaj kev nyuaj siab rau Johnson, thiab nyob rau, ntawm Nixon kom xaus kev tsov rog. tsov rog nyob nyab laj. Txoj cai. Niaj hnub no peb muaj zoo li, lub ecosystem loj ntawm cov ntaub ntawv, txoj cai? Peb muaj kev tshaj xov xwm, peb muaj tag nrho cov no, koj paub, peb muaj ntau dua li ntau txhiab qhov sib txawv ntawm, ntawm Netflix, thiab, thiab peb muaj, peb muaj tag nrho cov xov xwm no. Peb muaj zoo li kev tshaj tawm xov xwm tam sim no, puas yog? Tab sis nws nyuaj rau cov neeg tawm, koj puas paub? Koj puas tuaj yeem tham txog qhov tsis sib xws ntawm no?

Greta: Yog. Zoo, kuv txhais tau tias, hauv ib qho kev nkag siab nws yog cov ntaub ntawv ntau dhau. Koj tuaj yeem qhib koj lub xov tooj thiab nyeem txog txhua yam teeb meem tshwm sim hauv txhua lub ces kaum ntawm lub ntiaj teb, thiab nws zoo li, muaj ntau txhiab teeb meem. Peb tso siab rau dab tsi? Yog li kuv xav zoo li [00:37:00] uas yog ib qho ntawm qhov no. Thiab ntawm lwm yam, ntawm chav kawm, yog kev tswj hwm ntawm cov xov xwm thiab qhov tseeb hais tias, lub taub hau hais lus uas peb tau pom hauv xov xwm feem ntau, koj paub, yav dhau los, uh, cov neeg los ntawm tsoomfwv, cov thawj coj xaiv tsa. , yav dhau los tsoom fwv cov thawj coj, uas tam sim no muab tso ua tus hais lus taub hau nyob rau hauv xov xwm. Yog li nws yeej nqis los rau, rau peb txoj haujlwm, dua, raws li cov koom haum activist, tsim peb tus kheej tshaj tawm, mus, los ntawm kev qhia dab neeg, los ntawm webinars, podcasts, world Beyond War khiav, cov chav kawm online thiab. Yog li kuv xav tias yog peb, qhov ntawd yog peb qhov kev sib tw loj yog txhawm rau hla. Thiab kuv xav tias lwm yam uas kuv yuav tau chij yog qhov kuv xav tias txawm tias cov neeg tuaj yeem pom zoo nrog peb, ib qho ntawm cov kev sib tw nrog kev tawm tsam kev ua tsov ua rog, tej zaum nyob rau hauv kev sib piv nrog rau lwm yam teeb meem yog tias, dua, nws xav tias loj heev thiab nws yog. qhov teeb meem loj ntawm geopolitical dilemma thiab peb tuaj yeem ua qhov txawv li cas?

Thiab yog li ib qho ntawm cov khoom uas kuv sim tsom mus rau yog rhuav tshem mus rau hauv cov pob zeb me me, cov kauj ruam yooj yim uas tib neeg tuaj yeem ua qhov sib txawv. Thiab nyob rau hauv kuv lub siab, qhov uas kuv, uas resonates nrog kuv yog divest vim hais tias peb muaj peev xwm [00:38:00] tiag tiag ua ib tug sib txawv ntawm tus kheej theem, lub tsev kawm ntawv theem, los yog lub nroog theem divesting ntawm riam phom chaw tsim tshuaj paus.

Yog li ntawd tsuas yog ib qho piv txwv ntawm kev sib tw uas peb ua haujlwm. Um, tab sis kuv xav tias yog peb qhov kev sib tw loj heev, ob qho tib si xov xwm koj tab tom tham txog, tab sis tom qab ntawd kuj tau, tsis ua li cas, thaum peb tau txais ib tus neeg saib xyuas, peb tuaj yeem ua dab tsi rau qhov lawv xav tias lawv yuav ua. qhov txawv ntawm cov teeb meem loj no?

Anna: Yog, kuv xav. Muaj ntau ntau tshaj tawm, tab sis tib lub sijhawm, kuv xav tias feem ntau ntawm nws yog los ntawm ob peb lub tuam txhab. Txoj cai. Thiab yog li nws tau hloov pauv, tab sis nws, nws tsis tau, kuv xav, thiab rau kuv, kuv xav tias yog vim li cas tej yam txawv rov qab los yog, kuj muaj feem xyuam rau, koj paub, Dub liberation tawm tsam yog hom kev tawm tsam tiag tiag. thiab, thiab rub cov neeg hauv thiab nyiam, koj paub, cov neeg ua haujlwm tau koom nrog cov kev tawm tsam no thiab zoo li lub ntiaj teb qhov xwm txheej txawv, txoj cai? Muaj ntau ntau, um, kev tsov kev rog kev ywj pheej, koj paub, thoob plaws ntiaj teb tawm tsam colonialism. Thiab uh, kuv xav tias, [00:39:00] koj paub, rov qab thaum xyoo pua, rau caum, tshwj xeeb tshaj yog, Tuam Tshoj tseem yog lub tebchaws socialist thiab nws yog hom leaning hauv ntau txoj hauv kev. Thiab qhov pom tseeb tau hloov pauv, tab sis kuv xav tias muaj ntau heev. Cov ntsiab lus ntawm lub sijhawm ntawd, uh, tso cai rau thiab ua rau yog vim li cas, kev tawm tsam kev ua tsov rog tom qab ntawd, tau ua tiav ntau dua. Thiab peb yeej xav tau, peb yuav tsum tau kawm ntau yam ntawm qhov ntawd. Um, Kuv tsuas yog xav nrog cov xov xwm tam sim no, kuv txhais tau tias, nws yog, nws tsis ncaj ncees lawm. Zoo li, tib qhov chaw koj tuaj yeem hnov ​​​​txog

tawm tsam peb kev koom tes hauv Ukraine yog Tucker Carlson cov yeeb yam. Kuv txhais tau tias, qhov ntawd qhia koj li cas? tiag tiag? Zoo li qhov no, nws tsis zoo.

Jovanni: Kuv tsis paub. Thiab kuv, kuv pom ntau tus neeg txawj ntse thiab ntau tus thawj coj thiab ntau ntau, koj paub, hauv Twitter thiab, thiab, thiab, thiab, thiab tsuas yog twittering tam sim ntawd thiab, thiab, thiab sib qhia tag nrho cov ntawv thiab cov khoom zoo li ntawd. Kuv yuav muab piv txwv rau koj, txoj cai? Kuv tab tom tham txog social media tam sim no.

Yog li thaum twg, uh, uh, Evo Morales raug rhuav tshem txoj cai? Uh, ob peb xyoos dhau los, txoj cai? Koj paub, los ntawm ib, los ntawm ib tug parliamentary txias lawv hu nws tam sim no, txoj cai? [00:40:00] Sab. Txias. Yog li peb hu nws tawm, ntawm no, hauv San Antonio, cov pab pawg uas yog, koj paub, koom nrog ntawm no. Yog li peb hu nws tawm, um, online, thiab peb xav ua lub rooj sib tham hauv plawv nroog, puas yog? Peb teem tawm hu, peb teem tawm xovxwm, koj paub, peb tau ua peb cov xov xwm tshaj tawm thiab txhua yam peb tso tawm, peb muaj ib, peb muaj Facebook nplooj ntawv, koj paub, peb muaj nyiam, peb muaj yuav luag ib puas leej neeg txoj cai. ? Sawv ntsug. Kuv yuav mus, peb mus, peb mus, peb mus, peb mus. Txoj cai? Hnub ntawm lub rooj sib txoos, 16 tus neeg tau tshwm sim, koj paub, los ntawm ib puas tus neeg. Yuav ua li cas koj tau txais los ntawm ib puas neeg? Tsuas yog 16 tus neeg tshwm sim.

Anna: Yog li koj hais li cas, yog vim li cas

Jovanni: Muaj ntau, zoo li koj hais, nws zoo li, hais txog cov ntaub ntawv tshaj tawm thiab txhua yam, tab sis tsuas yog, nws tsuas yog, uh, nws yuav ua li cas kom neeg tawm, koj paub?

Anna: Yog, kuv txhais tau tias, yog, nws nyuaj siab heev. Kuv txhais tau tias, kuv muaj kev paub ntau qhov uas koj mus tawm tsam thiab muaj tsib ntawm koj, 10 ntawm koj tej zaum. Nws tsuas yog poob siab tiag tiag, kuv xav. [00:41:00] Uh, tab sis kuv, nws yeej underscores qhov xav tau los ua kev sib txuas nrog cov neeg ua haujlwm. Kuv xav tias, koj paub, cov neeg uas tiag tiag, yeej tsis muaj kev txaus siab rau lub system nyob rau hauv peb los yog lub imperialism hlub US tsoom fwv txawv teb chaws. Koj paub, zoo li, Kuv xav tias qhov ntawd yog qhov ploj lawm rau, uh, rau kuv. Thiab, koj paub, nws, nws yuav siv sij hawm ntau heev. Um, Kuv tsis tau hais tias nws yooj yim, tab sis um, Tab sis yog, Kuv txhais tau tias, Kuv, Kuv hnov ​​koj. Nws yog tawv heev.

Greta: Yog. Kuv xav tias kuj tsis txhob poob siab vim nyob rau hauv lub koom haum peb muaj lub sij hawm organizer lej, uas yog tseem ceeb hu ua lej ntawm ps. Thiab muaj tag nrho qhov kev suav no koj tuaj yeem ua tau, zoo li yog tias koj xav tau, koj paub, 20 tus neeg los qhia, koj xav tau 40 tus neeg rau RSVP yog. Yog tias koj xav tau 40 tus neeg rau RSVP Yog, koj xav tau 80 tus neeg uas koj tau tiv tauj lossis lwm yam. Thiab nws tsuas yog, nws multiplies. Yog li nws tsuas yog qhia koj nyiam pes tsawg tus neeg koj yuav tsum tau tiv tauj thiab qhov ntawd cuam tshuam li cas ntawm cov neeg hais tias yog thiab tom qab ntawd cov neeg uas tshwm sim tiag tiag. Thiab yog li thaum kuv tab tom pab peb cov neeg saib xyuas tshooj thoob ntiaj teb, kuv

nco ntsoov [00:42:00] lawv ntawm qhov ntawd thiab hais zoo li, tsis txhob poob siab. Qhov ntawd zoo ib yam li kev koom ua ke uas peb yuav tsum paub txog thiab qhov ntawd, koj paub, tom qab ntawd koj yuav tsum paub seb koj lub hom phiaj muaj pes tsawg tus koj xav qhia thiab pes tsawg koj yuav tsum ncav cuag. Um, tab sis kuv xav tias nws kuj txuas rau qhov peb tab tom tham txog ntawm, um, koj paub, nrhiav kev ua uas cuam tshuam nrog tib neeg.

Nrhiav tej yam uas lawv xav tias muaj nqis rau lawv lub sijhawm. Thiab kuv xav tias qee txoj hauv kev, zoo li lub tswv yim ntawm kev sib tw, yog siv ntau dhau. Thiab yog li ntawd tib neeg yuav hais tias, huag, lwm qhov kev sib tw. Zoo li, zoo li, yuav ua li cas? Thiab kuv xav tias yeej muaj sijhawm thiab qhov chaw rau kev sib tw. Kuv tsis xav hais tias koj yuav tsum tsis txhob ua ib qho kev sib tw, tab sis kuv tsuas yog txhais tau hais tias yuav tsum muab tso rau hauv cov ntsiab lus ntawd thiab xav txog zoo li lub tswv yim loj dua thiab thaum qee qhov kev tawm tsam ua rau muaj kev nkag siab, thiab ntxiv, dab tsi yuav yog. yuam rau cov neeg uas lawv xav tias nws yuav ua tau zoo thiab tsim nyog lawv lub sijhawm los qhia.

Anna: Yog, tag nrho. Kuv txhais tau tias, kuv xav tias yuav tsum muaj kev sib tham thiab sib cav txog ntau yam kev tawm tsam. Kuv xav tias rau kuv nws tseem yog thawj. Dab tsi yog cov ntsiab lus ntawm kev ua thiab [00:43:00] tactics, txoj cai? Vim kuv xav tias yog tib neeg pom lub hauv paus los txhawb, uh, lossis tawm tsam ib qho, uh, kev ua tsov ua rog lossis ib yam dab tsi zoo li ntawd, um, qhov kev tawm tsam yog, yog qhov thib ob kuv xav. Kuv xav tias lawv yog ib qho tseem ceeb, tab sis kuv xav tias cov ntsiab lus thiab koj li cas txog qhov teeb meem yog dab tsi rau lawv lub neej thiab. Thiab yog vim li cas nws yog qhov tseem ceeb uas lawv tau sawv thiab npaj. Kuv xav tias qhov tseem ceeb rau lo lus nug no, tab sis yog, kuv xav tias koj coj tau zoo

Greta: point too.

Shiloh: Kuv xav ua raws li ib yam dab tsi uas, uas koj, uh, koj hais Anna, ib puag ncig zoo li, um, tib yam li cov xov xwm tseem ceeb uas koj tuaj yeem pom, um, hais tawm tawm tsam, uh, US proxy ua tsov rog hauv, hauv Ukraine thiab Russia yog Tucker Carlson thiab, thiab Fox News. Thiab, um, peb tau hais me ntsis ua ntej txog yuav ua li cas zoo li Trump tau khiav raws li kev tawm tsam kev ua tsov ua rog, uh, tus thawj tswj hwm, koj paub, tau thov tias nws tus thawj tswj hwm tag nrho blah, blah, blah, uas peb paub tsuas yog ntawm lub ntsej muag tus nqi, tsuas yog [00:44:00] Ntxub.

Tab sis kuv xav paub zoo li koj qhov kev xav ntawm qhov, qhov zoo ntawm kev coj ua kev tawm tsam kev ua tsov rog, um, zoo li qee yam xws li nkag mus rau kev tawm tsam kev tawm tsam me ntsis. Um, Thiab ces dab tsi, yog. Lwm qhov kev thuam dab tsi koj muaj ntawm kev tawm tsam kev tawm tsam, um, tshwj xeeb hauv Asmeskas tab sis um, thoob ntiaj teb, raws li kuv paub tias koj nyob hauv Portugal tam sim no.

Anna: Yog, tsis yog, nws yog ib lo lus nug tseem ceeb heev. Um, pib qhov twg. Zoo, kuv xav tias txoj cai, muaj cov kev xav tawm tsam kev ua tsov rog sib txawv no yog qhov tshwm sim tiag tiag ntawm. Koj paub, lawv lub hauv paus, lawv lub hauv paus, muaj lawv, koj paub, nyob deb nroog Asmeskas thiab cov neeg uas, koj paub, them tus nqi nrog cov kev tsov rog no, koj paub, lawv, lawv cov menyuam mus thiab tuag. Thiab, thiab ntau tus neeg los ntawm lub hauv paus tau tawm tsam nws. Thiab yog li ntawd, koj paub, ib yam li cov Democrats, kuv xav tias Republicans xav koom nrog thiab, thiab siv nws rau lawv tus kheej txoj kev. Um, tab sis kuv xav tias [00:45:00] nws, nws yog qhov cuam tshuam ntawm cov khoom siv tiag tiag kom ncav cuag thiab sim ua haujlwm thoob plaws kev nom kev tswv, uas yog vim li cas kuv xav, koj paub, thiab kuv, Kuv xav tias npau taws tawm tsam. lub tshuab ua tsov ua rog yog qhov tseem ceeb tshaj plaws thiab, thiab tawm tsam thiab vam tias yog ib qho ntawm ntau. Tab sis, um, tab sis yog, kuv xav tias, koj paub, cov neeg no yog cov neeg tsim nyog tau txais txiaj ntsig thiab lawv tsis yog tawm tsam imperialist. Zoo li koj txawm muaj Matt Gates txhawb nqa txoj cai los xaus US kev koom tes hauv Syria, txoj cai? Kuv txhais tau tias, kuv xav tias yuav tsum tau txais kev txhawb nqa. Nws tsis yog ib tug anti-imperialist thiab yeej tsis yog ib tug phooj ywg ntawm cov neeg, kuv xav. Tab sis uh, yog, kuv tsuas yog xav tias nws cuam tshuam tob dua, um, kev tawm tsam kev ua tsov ua rog uas yog, raug tso tseg tiag tiag los ntawm kev tawm tsam kev tawm tsam vim tias nws yog pawg ntseeg lossis qee cov neeg hauv nws yog pawg ntseeg heev, hmoov tsis. Um, yog li ntawd, kuv tsis paub. Kuv xav tias muaj ntau ntxiv rau nws yog tias koj xav tau, tab sis cia siab tias qhov ntawd kuj tau pab ua qhov pib.

Shiloh: [00:46:00] Greta, koj puas muaj ib yam, um, yog, ib yam li kev thuam ntawm kev tawm tsam kev tawm tsam thiab, um, koj xav li cas tuaj yeem, uh, yog, koj puas muaj peev xwm nyiam? kev daws teeb meem lossis, lossis kev xav ntawm yuav ua li cas?

Greta: Zoo, Kuv pom zoo nrog Anna txoj kev tshuaj ntsuam. Kuv, kuv txhais tau tias, kuv nyob hauv ib qho chaw nyob deb heev. Um, thiab yog li kuv tuaj yeem ua tau, Kuv tuaj yeem lees paub qhov koj tab tom hais, um, hais txog kuv cov neeg zej zog cov kev xav. Um, thiab, koj paub, nyob deb nroog Asmeskas raug mob kev lag luam thiab, tau muaj kev tsiv teb tsaws 50 mus rau ib puas xyoo dhau los rau hauv nroog loj. Koj paub, tej yam yog crumbling nyob rau hauv lub, nyob rau hauv lub nyob deb nroog. Um, yog li kuv pom zoo nrog koj muaj qhov kev xav ntawm ib qho, uh, muaj peev xwm tiv thaiv kev ua tsov ua rog lossis dav dua, ib yam li nyiam noj nrog lub kaw lus thiab, koj paub, thiab, thiab Trump pom tseeb tau noj tawm ntawm qhov kev xav ntawd.

Um, Yog li ib feem ntawm qhov peb ua, koj paub, ntawm kev ua liaj ua teb yeej zoo li tsim cov choj. Zoo li yog lawm, tej zaum peb yuav tsis pom zoo nrog txhua lub ntsiab lus, koj paub, ntawm lwm tus [00:47:00] cov neeg hauv peb lub zej zog. Um, tab sis qhov twg peb tuaj yeem pom qhov chaw sib xws? Um, thiab, koj paub, rau qhov sib txawv, kuv xav tias, koj paub, kuv raug rub los nyob rau hauv ib cheeb tsam nyob deb nroog thiab pib ua liaj ua teb thiab sim ua tus kheej txaus.

Nws yog hom kev xav zoo sib xws rau lawv, txoj cai? Nws zoo li peb ob leeg tab tom thuam qhov system thiab sim kom deb ntawm nws thiab, koj paub, tsim kom muaj kev nkag siab ntawm

kev ywj pheej thiab tus kheej txaus. Thiab, um, nrog kuv world Beyond War kaus mom rau, um, thiab peb. Muaj kev saib tsis sib haum xeeb. Koj paub, peb yog, peb tsis cuam tshuam nrog ib tog nom tswv.

Um, thiab peb tsom mus rau, koj paub, kos tib neeg los ntawm thoob plaws kev nom kev tswv, los ntawm lub ntiaj teb kev xav, um, tsuas yog los ntawm txhua qhov sib txawv. Um, thiab, koj paub, peb ua hauj lwm nrog cov neeg uas tej zaum yuav muaj wildly txawv views ntawm ib leeg rau tej yam. Zoo li, koj paub, tshwj xeeb tshaj yog tias koj tham txog cov teeb meem kub kub xws li rho menyuam lossis qee yam, txoj cai?

Tej zaum lawv yuav muaj kev xav txawv heev, tab sis lawv tuaj yeem tuaj ua ke thiab lawv tuaj yeem ua haujlwm nrog World Beyond War vim hais tias kev sib nrig sib nyiam nyob rau hauv tsov rog abolition. Yog li ntawd yog ib yam dab tsi uas peb tab tom sim [00:48:00] cog qoob loo. Um, Thiab kuv xav tias, koj paub, rau koj lub ntsiab lus, Anna, nws nyuaj heev vim yog, kev koom tes thiab kev sib faib hauv, tshwj xeeb tshaj yog nyob rau hauv Asmeskas haiv neeg niaj hnub no.

Thiab nws nyob ntawd, muaj cov neeg, txoj cai, uas tsuas yog yuav tsis ua haujlwm nrog lwm tus thiab, thiab lawv yuav tsis ua haujlwm nrog leej twg, koj paub, leej twg tsis qhia lawv txoj kev xav txog tag nrho cov teeb meem no. Thiab, um, koj paub, David Swanson, peb tus thawj coj ua haujlwm, thaum hais txog vim li cas nws thiaj xaiv los hais lus ntawm kev npau taws tawm tsam kev tawm tsam kev ua tsov rog, nws hais tias, koj paub, qhov tseeb nws yeej tsis pom zoo nrog txhua qhov ntawm cov neeg uas nws yog. tham nrog.

Zoo li, kuv tau txais kev sib tw los yog ntawm lub vaj huam sib luag lossis ib yam dab tsi. Zoo li, nws yuav tsis nyob hauv ib qho xwm txheej uas nws pom zoo ib puas feem pua ​​nrog lwm tus neeg. Um, yog li tsuas yog hais zoo li, koj yuav tsum pom zoo nrog txhua tus, zoo li koj yuav tsis muaj peev xwm hais tau txhua qhov xwm txheej. Um, thiab ntxiv lawm, peb tsuas yog sim nrhiav thaj chaw uas peb tuaj yeem ua tau.

Um, thiab hauv qhov xwm txheej ntawd, um, koj paub, peb tau pom zoo nrog txhua qhov kev xav tau. Cov kev xav tau tiag tiag muaj zog, suav nrog kev tshem tawm lub tshuab ua tsov rog, uas ntau pab pawg yuav tsis mus kom deb li deb kom suav nrog qhov kev thov ntawd, thiab qhov ntawd yog qhov sib npaug [00:49:00] nrog World Beyond War. Yog li ntawd yog vim li cas peb thiaj li yog ib feem ntawm nws, um, sim tsim lub tsev pheeb suab loj ntawd los sim nrhiav kev sib koom ua ke, yam tsawg kawg ntawm qhov teeb meem nqaim ntawm kev ua tsov rog tshem tawm.

Thiab, koj paub, yog tias koj tab tom nug kuv los daws qhov kev thuam, thiab kuv twv tias kuv yog ib qho kev sib cav rau hauv qhov xwm txheej ntawd, Um, Kuv xav tias ib yam, saib, Kuv tsis nyob ntawd, tab sis saib tag nrho cov kev sib tw ntawm YouTube, um, Kuv me ntsis, uh, txhawj xeeb lossis ib qho kev thuam tsuas yog qee tus neeg hais lus kuv xav tias tsis txawv thiab lawv pib tham txog lwm yam teeb meem uas tsis yog qhov tseem ceeb rau qhov xav tau.

Thiab kuv xav tias qee qhov teeb meem tsis sib haum xeeb xws li tshuaj tiv thaiv thiab lwm yam, uas kuv tus kheej tsis xav tias yog qhov chaw uas yuav ua rau qhov ntawd. Yog li kuv xav hais tias lawv yuav tsum tau tsom mus rau ntau qhov kev xav tau tseem ceeb, thiab kuv xav tias David, peb tus thawj coj ua haujlwm, tau ua txoj haujlwm zoo heev los ntawm kev nkag mus thiab, thiab muab qhov kev xav ntawm abolitionist uas tiag tiag yog qhov tseem ceeb ntawm kev thov.

Um, yog li ntawd, cov no tsuas yog qee qhov

kev xav.

Jovanni: Yog lawm. kiag li. Um, thiab, thiab hais txog qhov ntawd, txoj cai, uas yog qhov nthuav, [00:50:00] puas yog? Thiab tham txog nato. Txoj cai. Thaum twg, yog li ntawd, thaum tsov rog, thaum twg, yog li thaum muaj kev kub ntxhov hauv Ukraine pib rov qab los, koj paub, thaum Lub Ob Hlis 24, 2022, uh, muaj ntau qhov kev sib tham, txoj cai. Thiab yuav ua li cas, teb rau, rau qhov tsis sib haum xeeb, txoj cai?

Uh, muaj ntau ntau, koj paub, muaj qee qhov kev sib tham thiab tsis muaj dab tsi, thiab hmoov tsis kuv yog, koj paub, nrog cov haiv neeg tsawg ntawm kev sib tham, txoj cai. Tab sis, uh, qee lub orgs, uh, thiab, koj paub, koom nrog kev sib tham thiab kuv yog, Kuv yog ib lub npe, um, uh, dsa, piv txwv li, txoj cai? Yav tag los, uh, thuam nato, koj paub, tab sis hmo ntuj tsuas yog rov kho NATO thiab tom qab ntawd los ua ib lub kaus mom rau nato, puas yog?

Um, um, thiab qhov no tsis yog thawj zaug uas nws tshwm sim, tab sis, koj paub, nws yog, nws yog dab neeg, nws tau poob siab heev los ntawm kuv feem. Koj paub, cov neeg uas kuv tau nrog, koj paub, um, koj paub, um, Thiab, koj paub, hnov ​​​​cov kev sib tham, koj paub, tam sim ntawd lawv tau tham txog, um, koj paub, rau txim tag nrho ib pliag. lawv tau [00:51:00] tham txog, um, tsis muaj-fly zones, koj paub, uas tsis ya zaj duab xis yog tawm tsam, koj puas paub? Um, tab sis yog. Koj xav li cas txog qhov ntawd?

Anna: Aw, wow. Kuv txhais tau tias yog, kuv, Kuv xav pom qhov ntawd, um, qhov lawv hais vim Wow. Tab sis, uh, vim kuv xav tias hauv Teb Chaws Asmeskas peb tshwj xeeb muaj lub luag haujlwm los ua kom pom tseeb, dab tsi yog NATO lub luag haujlwm hauv kev ua tsov rog no thiab ua tsov rog no? Txoj cai. Koj paub, kuv xav tias nws yog qhov tseeb tias qhov ntawd tsis yog qhov kev tawm tsam Lavxias, thiab tsis muaj leej twg hais li ntawd. Tab sis kuj koj ua tsis tau, koj paub, kab lus dab tsi? Koj tsis tuaj yeem hu lub lauj kaub dub thaum koj lub lauj kaub? kuv tsis paub. Tab sis txawm li cas los xij, yog li kev ua siab phem tau tshwm sim thiab cov neeg nyob hauv Asmeskas peb, peb yuav tsum, peb yuav tsum tau qhia meej qhov ntawd rau tib neeg. Txwv tsis pub peb tsuas yog txhawb US imperialism [00:52:00] thiab thaum kawg, koj paub, nuclear tsov rog, uas yog dab tsi nyob rau hauv txoj kab ntawm no tam sim no.

Um, yog li ntawd, qhov ntawd yog qhov npau taws tiag tiag, tab sis yog,

Greta: kiag li. Yog lawm. Thiab World Beyond War feem ntau siv qhov tsis txaus ntseeg no, uas peb txhua tus tau noj hauv qhov yeeb yam no, uas yog, yog, raws nraim li koj nyuam qhuav hais, Anna, uas koj paub, peb tsis tso cai rau kev tawm tsam Lavxias los ntawm World Beyond Wartxoj kev xav. Peb tawm tsam txhua qhov kev tsov rog los ntawm leej twg txhua lub sijhawm, koj puas paub?

Tab sis tib lub sijhawm, peb yuav tsum muab cov ntsiab lus ntawd ib yam nkaus. Thiab tham txog NATO txoj kev koom tes, tham txog US kev koom tes. Yog li ntawd nws yog ib tug nuanced stance thiab peb nyuam qhuav pom tias tib neeg yuav ua tsis tau qhov ntawd. Koj paub, muaj tsawg leej uas ua tau. Nws zoo nkaus li, dua, nws zoo li tau rov qab mus rau qhov kev sib cais hauv peb lub neej, tshwj xeeb tshaj yog nyob rau hauv Teb Chaws Asmeskas niaj hnub no.

Thiab nws tsuas yog xav dub thiab dawb xwb. Thiab yog hais tias koj hais tias koj tawm tsam xa riam phom rau Ukraine, ces tag nrho ntawm ib tug tam sim ntawd koj yog ib tug Putin thov txim thiab qhov, tsis muaj nruab nrab hauv av. Thiab yog li lub [00:53:00] slogan uas peb tau siv ntawm World Beyond War, uas David tau hais ntawm qhov npau taws tawm tsam kev ua tsov rog tshuab rally, yog Russia tawm ntawm Ukraine, nATO tawm ntawm hav zoov. Thiab kuv xav tias qhov ntawd yog qhov tseem ceeb ntawm peb txoj haujlwm. Thiab nws lom zem ntawm qhov kev tawm tsam thaum David pib cov kab lus ntawd, thiab nws hais tias, Russia tawm ntawm Ukraine, Kuv pom tau tias yuav luag ib pliag ntawm kev tsis txaus siab, npau taws, vim tsis muaj leej twg tau thuam Russia ntawm qhov kev tawm tsam. Yog li nws zoo li, whoa, uas yog qhov kev xav txawv ntawm txoj kev. Tab sis tom qab ntawd nws rov qab ncig thiab hais tias, thiab NATO tawm ntawm lub neej. Thiab tom qab ntawd cov neeg tuaj saib tau npuaj teg thiab tau txais lub nkoj nrog qhov ntawd. Thiab yog li kuv tsuas yog xav tias nws tseem ceeb heev uas yuav tsum muaj ob qhov kev xav ua ke thiab, thiab kom muaj qhov tsis zoo no. Thiab qhov ntawd yog peb, uas tau muaj kev sib tw loj tshaj xyoo dhau los.

Jovanni: Kuv tabtom qhia koj, uh, Kuv yog, qhia qee yam nrawm, uh, nrog koj. Um, lemme share this share screen.

Nej pom Yes Xus. Evolved, uh, vim hais tias struts uas lawv nyob nraum tam sim no tsom rau yog ib tug txawv hom struts. Yog li [00:54:00] lawv xav tau, uh, ntev hluav taws kub. Uh, koj tau hnov ​​'em, uh, nthuav qhia qhov xav tau ntawm cov tso tsheb hlau luam, thiab peb yog, uh, ua txhua yam uas peb tuaj yeem tau txais 'em, uh, cov, hom kev txhawb nqa, hom phom loj thiab phom loj uas yuav ua tau zoo nyob rau theem ntawm kev sib ntaus.

Uh, thiab yog li peb yuav tau txais lub sijhawm, peb tau ua ntau yam, raws li koj paub, koj tau pom, uh, qhov, peb tau ua dab tsi ntawm no yav dhau los nrog 800 tsis ntev los no 800 lab kev tso cai muab los ntawm tus thawj tswj hwm, tso cai rau peb muab tsib battalions ntawm 155 Howitzers, uh, pua pua txhiab tus, uh, ntawm, uh, rounds ntawm un of, uh, artillery.

Thiab yog li peb tseem koom nrog peb, peb, uh, cov npoj yaig hauv, hauv lwm lub tebchaws rau tib hom kev muaj peev xwm. Thiab peb pom cov lus qhia thaum ntxov. Hais tias lawv yuav, lawv yuav, uh, ntau lub tebchaws yuav los tom ntej thiab muab, uh, ntxiv, uh, uh, munitions thiab, thiab Howards lossis yog li peb yuav thawb hnyav li peb ua tau, xws li sai npaum li peb tuaj yeem tau txais 'em qhov lawv xav tau.[00:55:00]

Peb xav pom, uh, Ukraine, uh, nyob twj ywm ib tug sovereign, uh, lub teb chaws, uh, kev ywj pheej lub teb chaws muaj peev xwm tiv thaiv nws, uh, uh, nws sovereign thaj chaw. Uh, peb xav pom Russia, uh, uh, tsis muaj zog, uh, mus rau qib uas nws ua tsis tau, uh, ua tej yam uas, uh, nws tau ua, uh, hauv, invading Ukraine. Yog li nws twb tau poob ntau lub peev xwm ua tub rog, uh, thiab ntau, uh, ntau ntawm nws cov tub rog, ncaj ncees heev.

Thiab, uh, peb xav pom lawv tsis muaj peev xwm ua kom rov tsim dua qhov muaj peev xwm sai sai. Uh, peb xav pom thoob ntiaj teb kev sib koom ua ke, uh, tshwj xeeb tshaj yog nato. Thiab peb tau pom qhov ntawd thiab qhov ntawd yog, uh, raws li kev ua haujlwm hnyav ntawm tus naj npawb ib, Thawj Tswj Hwm Biden, tab sis kuj, uh, peb cov phooj ywg thiab cov koom tes uas txaus siab.

Leaned rau hauv qhov no, uh, nrog peb raws li peb tau yuam kev rau txim thiab raws li peb tau, uh, tau txav nrawm heev los qhia tias peb yuav tiv thaiv txhua nti ntawm nato.

Yog vim li cas kuv tau qhia koj qhov no, txoj cai, vim hais tias rov qab mus rau qhov koj tab tom hais Greta txog, txog kev kawm, [00:56:00] um, yog, thiab, thiab yuav ua li cas hauv suab, um, kev tawm tsam kev tsov rog lossis, los yog, los yog kev thaj yeeb nyab xeeb yuav tsum, koj paub, yuav tsum paub, yuav tsum tau kawm txog qhov tseeb, hauv av, ntawm dab tsi tshwm sim.

Thiab, koj paub, peb tsis tuaj yeem yug nag hmo activists, txoj cai? Um, thiab qhov ntawd yog Lloyd Arthur, nws, Tus Tuav Ntaub Ntawv Tiv Thaiv, um, tham txog txhua yam kev txhawb nqa uas, uas Ukraine yog, yuav tau txais los ntawm sab hnub poob. Um, tau muaj cib fim. Rau, uh, kom xaus kev tsov rog no. Thaum pib ua tsov rog nyob rau lub Peb Hlis, muaj lub sijhawm los xaus nws, koj paub, uh, muaj kev sib tham, kev sib haum xeeb C tham, koj paub, xyoo tas los thiab nws tau torpedoed.

Um, um, tsis ntev tom qab ntawd, muaj lwm tus. Nws kuj yog torpedo tias qhov kev sim thib ob los xaus kev ua tsov rog, txoj cai? Nws Boris, Boris Johnson, tus thawj tswj hwm ntawm uk, tau ua tus kheej mus rau Kiev thiab hais rau Zelensky tias yog nws sib tham nrog Russia, koj paub, nws yuav poob tag nrho [00:57:00] kev txhawb nqa los ntawm, los ntawm, los ntawm EU thiab dab tsi. Um, yog li txhua lub sijhawm los xaus txoj cai no tau hais rau Peter, txoj cai? Los ntawm peb qhov kev xav ntawm no, ntawm no, los ntawm qhov chaw peb nyob. Um, Koj paub, peb tuaj yeem ua dab tsi? Peb yuav ua li cas hais txog qhov ntawd? Peb tuaj yeem thawb, uh, peb, peb txoj kev coj noj coj ua kom xaus qhov kev tsis sib haum xeeb no? Vim tias koj nyob hauv, koj nyob hauv Europe thiab koj nyob

pom nws ua ntej yuav ua li cas nws tshwm sim nyob rau hauv cov teb chaws Europe, tab sis peb tsis pom, peb tsis muaj tib cov tshuaj tiv thaiv ntawm no, tib nuance, tib yam, um, tsom xam ntawm no.

Uh, nws tshwm li ntawd, um, thiab, um, yog, Kuv yuav tso qhov ntawd, uas kuv yuav muab sijhawm rau koj los teb.

Anna: Yog, tsis yog, qhov ntawd yog ib daim clip qhia heev, Kuv xav tias, uh, ntawm ntau lub ntsej muag. Tab sis, yog li nws yog qhov nthuav tsuas yog nyob rau hauv cov nqe lus ntawm yuav ua li cas tej yam tau unraveled nyob teb chaws Europe. Uh, tshwj xeeb tshaj yog nyob rau hauv lub teb chaws Yelemees piv txwv li, tau muaj kev tawm tsam tsis ntev los no nrog ntau txhiab tus neeg, um, uh, thov kom xaus rau, koj paub, lub teb chaws Yelemees kev koom tes.[00:58:00]

Uh, thiab kuv. Koj paub dab tsi, dab tsi Jen, uh, Lloyd Austin tau hais txog yuav ua li cas NATO koom siab. Qhov tseeb, qhov ntawd tsis yog qhov tseeb tiag thaum pib ua tsov rog, txoj cai? Muaj, uh, qee qhov, koj paub, tawg, uh, hais txog yuav ua li cas mus tom ntej thiab yuav ua li cas, um, thiab nws zoo li. Los ntawm qhov kuv tau nyeem tias Teb Chaws Asmeskas tiag tiag, um, yuam lub teb chaws Yelemees thiab, thiab lwm tus hauv NATO rau hauv lub ces kaum tshwj xeeb nrog, uh, North Stream bombings, uh, uas tsis ntev los no, koj paub, uh, luam tawm thiab peb tuaj yeem tham txog qhov ntawd. Um, tab sis kuv xav tias muaj ntau qhov kev chim siab nyob rau hauv qhov chaw xws li lub teb chaws Yelemees qhov twg tib neeg pom zoo li ntawd, koj paub, tsoomfwv tsuas yog poob rau hauv kauj ruam nrog Asmeskas thiab tam sim no uas cov neeg yuav tsum tau them nyiaj tom ntej. Tsis muaj cua sov, spiraling nqi, nce nqi, tag nrho cov khoom. Thiab yog li kev sib txuas ntawm txhua yam ntawm cov khoom no yog qhov pom tseeb me ntsis. Hos nyob USA kuv tsis xav tias lawv yog. Um, ntau, uh, muab tso rau pem hauv ntej thiab txuas los ntawm, uh, neeg hauv [00:59:00] kev tawm tsam kev ua tsov rog. Qhov cuam tshuam rau, Kuv xav tias qhov teeb meem tseem ceeb yog, um, yog, muaj kev sib txuas nrog cov neeg hauv, hauv chav ua haujlwm, uh, leej twg yeej tsis muaj kev txaus siab rau qhov kev ua tsov rog no, uh, thiab pom ib hnub dhau ib hnub. cov teebmeem ntawm nws, tab sis kuj yog qhov dav dav peev txheej hauv lawv lub neej. Um, Kuv xav tias yog qhov tseem ceeb rau, txhawm rau tsim kom muaj lub zog uas tuaj yeem sib tw thiab thov cov khoom ntawm tsoomfwv. Ua rau kuv xav tias tsuas yog txoj hauv kev xwb, um, uas peb tuaj yeem ua tau, peb tuaj yeem yeej cov kev pom zoo.

Greta: Um, yog, kuv xav. Rau kuv, kuv tsuas yog xav los ntawm kev ua ib tus neeg ua haujlwm, ua haujlwm, thiab. Kuv xav hais tias peb yuav tsum tau nthuav dav ntau haiv neeg ntawm tactics uas peb ua. Um, uas nyob rau hauv ib tug nkag siab, koj paub, lub ntsiab tactic uas kuv twb tau pom nyob rau hauv cov nqe lus ntawm kev tawm tsam rau Ukraine tsov rog yog, koj paub, rallies thiab thov. Um, thiab yog li kuv yuav xaiv qhov kev sib tw ntawm kev tawm tsam kev tawm tsam thiab kuv yuav nthuav tawm qhov ntawd. Kuv xav [01:00:00] tshwj xeeb tshaj yog ntawm kev xav ntawm pej xeem raws li kev tiv thaiv thiab kev xav ntawm kev tsis koom tes, uas, koj paub, peb tau pom cov piv txwv keeb kwm ntawm qhov ntawd. Cov neeg ua haujlwm Danish nyob rau hauv Nazi txoj cai uas tau ua, um, Kuv xav tias nws yog riam phom lossis ib yam dab tsi, thiab lawv yuav ua haujlwm thiab tom qab ntawd hnub kawg lawv yuav muab cov ntsia hlau rau cov khoom thiab, koj

paub, peb yuav tsum rov ua haujlwm ntau dua. Tej yam zoo li ntawd. Um, los yog koj paub, piv txwv li, peb tau pom nyob rau hauv lwm yam kev txav xws li boycotts uas tau ua tiav. Um, yog li kuv tsuas yog xav tias peb yog cov, Peb muaj lub zeem muag nqaim heev ntawm cov tswv yim thiab qhov ntawd yuav tsis xaus qhov kev tsov rog no thiab hom kev ua tsov rog loj dua uas peb tau tham txog. Um, yog li kuv yog, Kuv tabtom sim thawb peb, uh, thiab kuv xav tias nws yog, Kuv txhais tau tias, qhov kuv hais yog qhov nyuaj heev, tab sis kuv xav tias peb yuav tsum tau mus dhau qhov, qhov qub. lub zeem muag ntawm tactics. Thiab, tab sis kuv xav tias, qhov kev sib tw loj heev yog thaum koj pib tham txog tej yam xws li kev tiv thaiv pej xeem, kev tawm tsam, yam ntawd, nws muaj kev cuam tshuam rau peb tus kheej. Koj paub, nws [01:01:00] yuav txhais tau tias tsis mus yuav khoom rau qee yam khoom uas koj feem ntau yuav khoom lossis txawm tias nws yog. Thiab, thiab yog li ntawd yog qhov, qhov ntawd yog qhov taw tes siab, txoj cai? Zoo li, cov neeg puas tuaj yeem tso tseg qee yam kev nplij siab, uh, kom muaj peev xwm ua rau cov teeb meem no?

Jovanni: Yog. Tsuas yog ntxiv rau qhov koj tab tom hais txog tsis ntev los no hauv Ltalis, uh, koj muaj cov neeg ua haujlwm dock. Um, cov neeg ua haujlwm dock yog. Tsis kam thauj riam phom rau hauv, uh, uh, nkoj uas, uas tau mus rau, mus rau Ukraine, um, uas yog lwm qhov kev tawm tsam uas, uas tau siv zoo li hauv Tebchaws Europe. Um, hmoov zoo tsis, tsis muaj ntau ntawm no, Shiloh.

Shiloh: Yog lawm, kuv tsuas yog nyiam coj rov qab los ntawm qhov clip uas koj tau qhia. Zoo li ob peb yam sawv tawm. Zoo li lub, lub sij hawm, uh, uh, Lloyd Austin siv lub sij hawm cov npoj yaig nyob rau hauv referring rau zoo li cov neeg ntawm Ukraine, cov neeg ntawm Russia pom hais tias nthuav thiab qhia, um, nws tsuas yog ib tug shill, koj paub, raws li peb paub rau lub tub rog industrial complex. Um, [01:02:00] thiab nws, nws zoo li sawv hauv zoo li lub Hoobkas uas zoo li lub Hoobkas lag luam. Kuv, kuv pom tias nthuav heev thiab. Thiab kuv kuj pom, koj paub, qhov no zoo li txoj kab nyuaj uas US thiab, thiab qhov kev tswj hwm no coj mus ncig, zoo li, peb yuav tiv thaiv txhua nti ntawm nato, Ukraine tsis yog ib feem ntawm nato. Yog li koj yog dab tsi, koj tham txog dab tsi?

Auj, Kuv pom qhov ntawd nthuav heev thiab.

Jovanni: Yog li, uh, Kuv yuav qhia koj lwm clip sai sai. Um, lwm clip ceev ceev thiab tau txais koj cov kev xav ntawm nws. Yog li nws yog Laurie Anderson. Nws yog tus, uh, um, Southcom South Command, uh, tus thawj coj. Uh, thiab qhov no yog qhov nws tau hais. Lub cheeb tsam no yog, yog, yog Latin America, qhov nws tau hais txog.

Cov yeeb yaj kiab video: thaj av no nplua nuj nyob hauv cov peev txheej, uh, tsis tshua muaj ntiaj teb cov zaub mov, lithium, lithium daim duab peb sab hauv cheeb tsam no. Uh, muaj ntau yam uas cheeb tsam no tau muab. Beon Road Initiative, [01:03:00] 21 ntawm 31 lub teb chaws yog cov neeg kos npe hauv tsib xyoos dhau los, 2017 txog 2021. Uh, peev, uh, tshaj 50 billion. Kuv xav tias tej zaum nws yuav nyob ze rau ib puas billions ntawm Suav

kev nqis peev hauv cheeb tsam no. Kuv xav tias lawv ua chess. Russia kuj tseem muaj nyob hauv thaj av no, thiab kuv xav tias lawv tab tom ua si checkers. Kuv xav tias lawv nyob ntawd yuav ua rau muaj kev puas tsuaj, uh, Tebchaws Meskas. Lawv tsis yog, lawv nyob ntawd los rhuav tshem, uh, kev ywj pheej thiab lawv txhua tus txhais tau tias kev lag luam. Txawm hais tias lawv tab tom ua si chess lossis checkers, lawv nyob ntawd los cuam tshuam kev ywj pheej. Thiab ncaj ncees heev, nrog rau tag nrho cov ntaub ntawv tsis tseeb, uh, thiab, uh, Russia niaj hnub no Espanol, Sputnik, Mundo, ntau dua 30 lab tus thwjtim ntawm Russia, tau nyob rau hauv kev tshaj xov xwm. Kuv txhais tau tias, qhov no tseem ceeb heev. Peb muaj ntau qhov kev xaiv tsa tseem ceeb los txog lossis nyuam qhuav tshwm sim, uh, thiab peb yuav tsum tau koom nrog txuas ntxiv thiab [01:04:00] txhawj xeeb txog thaj av no.

Jovanni: Yog li, um, tsuas yog muab cov ntsiab lus ntawm qhov nws tau hais, rov qab mus rau qhov kev nplua thiab txhua yam, thiab ua ntej ntawd, um, thiab peb kuj tseem tuaj txog, uh, uh, hnub tseem ceeb ntawm 200, hnub tseem ceeb. ntawm Monroe Lus Qhuab Qhia xyoo no thiab. Uh, cov lus qhuab qhia tsis paub qab hau tau zoo nkauj npaum li lub qhov rooj rau, rau Latin American kev cuam tshuam kev tsov kev rog tom qab ntawd.

Kuv txhais tau tias, kuv nyob hauv tsev kawm ntawv theem siab thaum lub, tsov rog hauv, hauv, hauv, uh, dua, ntxeem tau ntawm Panama. Koj paub, kuv nco qab tiag tiag. Um, tsis ntev tom qab ntawd, koj paub, nws yog tsov rog hauv Iraq. Uh, tab sis qhov koj hais yog lawm, uas, uas US pom, pom qhov, um, hais txog tias Latin American lub teb chaws muaj ntau haiv neeg cov koom tes, txoj cai?

Koj paub, koj tau txais cib, uas yog, uh, kev lag luam thaiv ntawm Brazil, Russia, Is Nrias teb, Tuam Tshoj, thiab South Africa. Um, koj muaj ntau thiab ntau lub teb chaws zoo nkauj heev nyiam. [01:05:00] Ua lag luam nrog, nrog, uh, uh, nrog Suav tuam txhab thiab tuam txhab Lavxias. Raws li ua ntej, um, yog tias koj tuaj yeem xav rov qab rau Banana, Banana Republics tau, yog cov tuam txhab Asmeskas zoo nkauj heev.

Zoo li, uh, United Food Company zoo nkauj heev tau khiav ib lub tebchaws, koj paub, hauv Central American thiab dab tsi. Thiab nws pom tias muaj kev cuam tshuam, nws pom tias muaj kev cuam tshuam. Yog li qhov, qhov, uh, qhov kev txhawj xeeb ntawm no hauv Latin America yog txoj cai, muab qhov ntawd, uas peb nyob, peb tab tom pom kev tawg mus rau thoob ntiaj teb, peb tab tom pom kev tawg ntawm American dominance peev, uh, muaj, muaj ntau qhov sib txawv thiab ntau qhov thaiv thiab txhua yam zoo li ntawd, thaum kawg, uh, Asmeskas kev tawm tsam yuav, koj paub, yuav rov qab los rau Latin America, koj paub, sim ua kom muaj zog dua hauv Latin America, txoj cai.

Los tsis yog dua, tab sis ua ob npaug thiab dominance hauv Latin America. Um, koj xav li cas txog qhov ntawd thiab yuav ua li cas ntawm no hauv, hauv qhov tseem ceeb, koj hais, ua li cas, tus [01:06:00] kev tawm tsam los yog kev tawm tsam, uh, kev thaj yeeb nyab xeeb, uh, kev phom sij yuav tsum teb.

rau, qhov no yog, koj paub, rau qhov nws hais thiab, thiab zoo li cas, yuav los tom ntej.

Anna: Yog. Kuv txhais tau tias, kuv xav tias qhov koj tab tom tham txog yog kev sib tw kev lag luam ntawm imperialist powers los hloov lub ntiaj teb. Thiab, uh, nws tsis yog, nws tsis yog txheej txheem kev thaj yeeb, thiab kuv tsis xav tias, koj paub, kev cuam tshuam ntawm ib qho ntawm cov imperialist powers nyob rau hauv, hauv Latin America feem ntau zoo rau cov neeg nyob ntawd. Yog li ntawd nws yog ib lo lus nug tiag tiag ntawm charting ib tug thib peb, ib tug thib peb txoj kev, thiab tsis txo tej yam mus rau ob ntawm tsawg dua, los yog ib tug ntawm tsawg kev phem. Um, thiab kuv xav tias, uh, hais txog yuav ua li cas. Kev tawm tsam kev ua tsov rog tuaj yeem teb tau. Kuv txhais tau tias, muaj ntau tus neeg los ntawm Latin America nyob rau hauv, nyob rau hauv Teb Chaws Asmeskas uas uh, kuv xav tias paub, heev frankly lub luag hauj lwm phem uas US tau ua nyob rau hauv ntau qhov chaw thiab tseem mus ua si.[01:07:00]

Uh, thiab kuv xav tias lawv, muaj ntau yam, koj paub, teeb meem ib yam nkaus, vim qee tus neeg, koj paub, tsis xav hais tawm yog tias lawv tsis muaj ntaub ntawv, yam ntawd. Tab sis kuv xav tias muaj coob tus neeg los ntawm cov zej zog, um, yog, nws yuav zoo heev los txhawb lawv thiab ua kev sib txuas nrog lawv. Um, tab sis yog, kuv xav tias qhov loj dua ntawm qhov tsuas yog qhia tias kev lag luam ntawm Teb Chaws Asmeskas uh, nyob rau hauv ib qho ntawm lub ntiaj teb no, kev lag luam lossis kev ua tub rog tiag tiag tsis yog kev txaus siab ntawm cov neeg hauv peb, um, yog, yog, Kuv xav tias, qhov tseem ceeb tshaj plaws uas peb yuav tsum tau ua nrog.

Greta: Yog lawm, Kuv yuav pom zoo nrog txhua qhov ntawd. Thiab kuv xav tias nws tsuas yog hais txog qhov tseem ceeb ntawm kev txhim kho thoob ntiaj teb thiab dua, hom ntawm, qhov kev xav ntawd World Beyond War tau coj hauv peb txoj haujlwm, txoj hauv kev uas peb tau ua hauv peb txoj haujlwm, um, uas peb yuav tsum tau ua kom tib neeg los ntawm txhua qhov chaw ntawm lub ntiaj teb thiab muaj kev sib koom siab thoob ntiaj teb los qhia tau tias yog, lub tshuab ua tsov rog hauv txhua qhov ntawm lub ntiaj teb yog. [01:08:00] Tsis yog qhov zoo, um, los ntawm txhua lub tebchaws.

Raws li koj tau hais, peb tsis xav hloov US imperialism thiab US War tshuab nrog lwm lub teb chaws lub tshuab ua tsov ua rog. Thiab yog li cov teeb meem tiag tiag uas peb tab tom tham txog yog qhov loj dua ntawm kev hloov pauv ntawm kev hloov pauv ntawm txoj kev uas peb, qhov, txoj hauv kev uas peb lub zej zog tau teeb tsa tam sim no mus rau ntau yam ntxiv, hauv kuv lub siab, lub hom phiaj yuav yog. ntau lub zej zog hauv zej zog nyob nruab nrab hauv zej zog uas tuaj yeem ua rau nws tus kheej txaus nyob rau theem sib tham lossis hauv cheeb tsam.

Um, thiab kuv xav tias qhov, lub zeem muag, uh, uas ntau ntawm peb cov kev sib tham txog yog hom kev hais lus thoob ntiaj teb uas peb muaj kev ywj pheej ntau dua nyob rau hauv cheeb tsam, ntau dua, koj paub, kev tsim khoom ntawm peb tus kheej. Tab sis tom qab ntawd peb kuj tseem nyob hauv lub ntiaj teb uas peb muaj peev xwm muaj cov qauv zoo li UN los yog hloov kho cov qauv ntawm un los yog muaj lwm yam qauv ib yam nkaus, lub ntiaj teb no dhau qhov uas nws hais txog zoo li lub ntiaj teb kev cai lij choj lossis lub Ntiaj Teb Federation. Um, yog li peb yuav tsum ua raws li lub ntiaj teb

haiv neeg. Peb [01:09:00] tsis tuaj yeem tshem tawm tag nrho, tab sis peb yuav tsum nrhiav qee txoj hauv kev zoo dua kom muaj lub ntiaj teb no thiab tom qab ntawd muaj kev lag luam hauv zos ntau ntxiv thiab. Thiab kuv tsuas yog ntxiv tias peb dhau los ntawm cov lus tam sim no tab tom nrhiav rau Latin America lub koom haum. Yog li qhov kev sib tham no tseem ceeb heev. Peb tab tom sim nthuav dav rau hauv cheeb tsam ntawd thiab muab kev txhawb nqa ntau dua hauv cheeb tsam ntawd.

Shiloh: Kuv tsuas yog, um, Ib zaug ntxiv, tsuas yog, koj paub, qhov no, kev tawm tsam feminist imperialism uas peb pom, ib tug poj niam plaub lub hnub qub hais txog, uh, cov tub rog kev lag luam. Kuv tsuas yog nco ntsoov tas li ntawm cov lus hais los ntawm Mark Lamont Hill uas nyiam, empires tsis muaj phooj ywg, lawv muaj kev txaus siab.

Thiab kuv xav tias, um, koj txhua tus tau kov ntawm qhov ntawd dhau mus, um, dua, thiab kuv tsuas yog txaus siab rau Yog. Kev sib tham thiab lub sijhawm.

Jovanni: Tsuas yog ntxiv, tsuas yog ntxiv rau qhov ntawd, qhov clip, um, thiab qhov teeb tsa reef, txoj cai? Yog li, yog li kuv paub koj nco qab, um, thaum lub sijhawm Trump era thiab koj, [01:10:00] thiab koj tab tom tham txog cov, uh, uh, migrants thiab dab tsi ntawm no hauv Tebchaws Meskas, koj kuj yuav tsum xav txog qhov ntawd. lawv, lawv kuj yog cov neeg tshwj xeeb, koj paub, lawv kuj tau ua raws li imperialism thiab, thiab kuv xav txog South Florida. Um, koj paub, lawv nyob qhov twg, qhov twg. Qhov nyuaj dua koj nyob hauv Cuba, qhov nrov dua koj nyob hauv, hauv South Florida. Txoj cai. Uh, tam sim no koj tau txais, uh, koj tau txais Cuban thiab Venezuela thiab Asper nyob ntawd. Um, ntawm Trump, Kuv tsis paub yog tias koj, yog tias koj nco qhov no, uh, um, koj paub, ntawm 17 txog 18, ntawm, ntawm 20 17, 20 txog 18, txoj cai.

Qhov, qhov siab tshaj plaws kev rau txim rau Venezuela, Trump tau tshaj tawm, um, raws li United Nations, txoj cai. Um, zoo nkauj tua txog 40,000 Venezuelans. Txoj cai. Nrog txhiab Venezuelans. Thiab qhov kev txiav txim ntawd, kev txiav txim raug tawg. Koj paub, nws tau tawg, uas, uas yog loj heev, txoj cai. Nws tau tawg los ntawm sab qab teb mus rau sab qab teb kev sib raug zoo thaum, uh, Iran, piv txwv li, xa cov nkoj thauj khoom, uh, khoom noj khoom haus thiab txhua yam, um, mus rau [01: 11: 00] Venezuela, Trump tau hem nrog kev siv US Navy los tsoo cov tankers. . Yog li cov, yog li kuv Iranian tsoom fwv xa. Um, kuj nrog cov tankers ntawm cov khoom noj thiab tshuaj thiab cov khoom zoo li ntawd. Tom qab ntawd kuj naval, uh, Iran, naval ships mus nrog lawv. Yog li lawv xaus, lawv tuaj rau Venezuela, txoj cai? Thiab tom qab ntawd peb muaj kev txhawb nqa Lavxias. Raso kev txhawb nqa, khoom noj khoom haus ntau, uh, Tuam Tshoj txhawb nqa ntau, ntau yam khoom noj, thiab txhua yam.

Vim txoj kev sanction, the, the, the, the hem of sanction is that if you break the sanction, you’ll be sanction as well. Koj paub, yog li tsis muaj ib lub tebchaws hauv cheeb tsam, koj paub, ntshai ntawm kev txhawb nqa, uh, Venezuela. Peb coj, nws coj

qhov, qhov pib ntawm Iran, ua raws li Russia, ua raws li Tuam Tshoj los rhuav tshem cov kev nplua no.

Um, um, yog li ntawd, yog li ntawd, qhov no, qhov kev tawg, qhov kev hloov kho tshiab ntawm, ntawm lub ntiaj teb uas peb tab tom pom tam sim no, lub ntiaj teb peb tab tom pom tam sim no, ib yam li, uh, uh, zoo Oak hais tias, um, cuz, uh, tus s kuj, uh, thawb, thawb, um, Venezuela yuav [01:12:00] tus kheej txaus rau cov khoom noj. Loj hlob lawv cov khoom. Thiab kuv pom tias nyob rau hauv teb chaws Cuba ib yam nkaus thaum kuv mus rau teb chaws Cuba, Texas, nyob rau hauv Teb chaws Cuba, Cuban Sanchez yog 1960. Yog li nws thawb, tau thawb lawv kom loj hlob lawv tus kheej, lawv cov khoom noj, um, ntawm kev ua lag luam. Um, thiab uh, saib koj cov kev xav ntawm qhov ntawd. Thiab peb tuaj yeem kaw tom qab ntawd.

Greta: Kuv txhais tau tias, Kuv xav tias txhua yam koj hais tsuas yog cuam tshuam nrog txhua yam uas peb tau tham txog rau tag nrho cov kev sib tham no thiab um, koj paub, peb tseem tsis tau siv lo lus, tab sis kuv xav tias qhov tseem ceeb ntawm peb coob leej tham. hais txog yog kev hloov mus rau lub ntiaj teb multipolar es tsis yog lub ntiaj teb unipolar uas US yog lub taub hau ntawm txhua yam.

Anna: Kuv xav tias kuv pom nws txawv me ntsis. Um, Kuv tsis tas li, kuv xav tias, yog li ntawd rau kuv, lub ntiaj teb multipolar txhais tau hais tias nws yog qhov tsim nyog rau kev tsim txom lub teb chaws los ua ke nrog ib lossis lwm qhov, koj paub, imperialist sab nraud lub hwj chim.

Um, thiab I. Kuv xav tias muaj, feem ntau hais lus, ib feem peb, ib txoj kev thib peb [01:13:00] ywj siab. Thiab kuv xav tias nws yog ib qho tseem ceeb uas yuav tsum tau ua haujlwm ntawm qhov ntawd, um, thiab txhawb nqa cov phiaj xwm ywj pheej, uh, thoob plaws ntiaj teb. Thiab, thiab yog li ntawd, um, vim kuv, kuv tsis pom, koj paub, Tuam Tshoj thiab Russia thiab lawv hom kev cuam tshuam hauv, um, thoob ntiaj teb zoo, zoo ib yam li, Kuv tsis pom kev cuam tshuam ntawm Asmeskas uh, thoob plaws ntiaj teb raws li qhov zoo.

Kuv xav tias lawv tsuas yog yuav los cuam tshuam rau kev lag luam, uh, kom tau nyiaj thiab siv cov neeg hauv cov teb chaws sib txawv. Yog li tej zaum peb pom nws txawv me ntsis, tab sis kuv xav tias peb pom zoo rau ntau, uh, ib yam nkaus. Thiab, thiab kuv xav

Greta: yog, Hm. Zoo, nws yog ib qho kev nthuav qhia. Kuv yeej tsis yog, koj paub, txhawb imperialism los ntawm txawv teb chaws, koj paub, raws li kuv tau pom zoo nrog koj ua ntej, uas kuv tsis tau hais tias peb yuav tsum sib pauv, koj paub, peb imperialism nrog Suav imperialism los yog dab tsi.

Yog li, yog, kuv xav tias nws yog, Kuv xav hauv kev nkag siab peb pom zoo nrog ib leeg. Tej zaum nws tsuas yog [01:14:00] terminology sib txawv, tab sis Yog, kuv, kuv xav hnov ​​ntxiv txog koj tus neeg saib. Kuv tsis tau hnov ​​​​qhov kev thuam ntawm lub ntiaj teb multipolar yuav tsum tau hais, koj paub, kuv yeej tsis tau txhais hais tias, zoo li, txhawb imperialism los ntawm lwm lub tebchaws.

Anna: Yog. Thiab kuv, kuv thov txim yog tias kuv yog, kuv tsis sim muab lo lus rau hauv koj lub qhov ncauj. Qhov ntawd tsuas yog dab tsi, rau kuv, lub ntiaj teb multipolar txhais tau tias, koj paub, qhov, kev sib tw ntawm, uh, ntau yam, ntau lub zog. Yog li, kuv txhais tau tias, Kuv xav paub yog tias koj tuaj yeem hais lus me ntsis ntxiv ntawm hom, qhov sib txawv, um, vim kuv yeej tsis xav tias koj ntaus pob yog.

Imperialism, tab sis kuv tsuas yog, dab tsi yog qhov txawv txav nrog

Greta: multipolar? Yog lawm, kuv twv kuv tsuas yog siv lo lus nyob rau hauv dav dav txhuam kom txhais tau tias tsis yog ib lub zog uas muaj lub ntiaj teb hegemony li US ua. Yog li multipolar tseem ceeb txhais tau tias, koj paub, lub hwj chim tau sib koom thoob plaws ntau lub teb chaws thiab cheeb tsam hauv ntiaj teb.

Thiab, um, Kuv twv kuj yuav, koj paub, ntxiv yam kuv tau hais ua ntej, yuav ua li cas hauv world Beyond Wars cov ntaub ntawv peb tham txog. Qhov xav tau kev txhim kho [01:15:00] thoob ntiaj teb lub moj khaum, txhim kho cov txheej txheem ntawm kev tswj hwm thoob ntiaj teb. Um, yog li kuv tsis paub yuav ua li cas haum rau hauv qhov kev sib tham no, tab sis kuv xav tias nws muaj feem cuam tshuam nrog qhov kev xav ntawm qhov ntawd thaum peb tab tom tham txog kev sib cais ntawm lub hwj chim, peb kuj xav tau kev hloov pauv ntawm peb cov neeg sib tw thoob ntiaj teb. tsev kawm ntawv.

Raws li kuv tau hais, koj paub, UN yog qhov tsis txaus ntseeg thiab qhov ntawd yog ib yam uas peb mus rau hauv World Beyond Warlub website. Yog li txawm hais tias nws tab tom hloov kho lossis tshem tawm UN thiab tsim cov qauv sib txawv xws li Lub Ntiaj Teb Federation lossis muaj ntau yam qauv sib txawv uas tib neeg tau thov. Um, yog li ntawd, kuv xav tias qhov loj dua yog peb xav tau kev tswj hwm thoob ntiaj teb zoo dua thiab peb yuav tsum tau sib cais cov chaw ntawm lub zog kom muaj lub zog faib thoob ntiaj teb.

Kuv xav tias

Jovanni: yog qhov chaw zoo rau ncua. Kev sib tham txuas ntxiv mus. Um, muaj lus kaw? Um, ua ntej peb xaus?

Kuv mam li pib nrog Anna.

Anna: Yog, kuv txhais tau tias, kuv xav. Kuv tsuas yog xaus rau qhov tseeb tias feem ntau cov neeg, feem coob ntawm cov neeg nyob hauv peb, uh, tsis [01:16:00] muaj kev txaus siab, uh, uh, nrog, uh, US imperialism. Thiab muaj lub hauv paus rau lawv, uh, tawm tsam nws. Thiab kuv xav tias peb txoj hauj lwm, uh, yog tiag tiag kev koom ua ke nrog cov neeg, txuas nrog cov neeg ntawd, uh, thiab thaum kawg kuv xav tias muaj, koj paub, kev txaus siab ntawm cov neeg ua haujlwm tiag tiag coj txoj hauv kev hauv lub tebchaws.

Greta: Zoo heev. Zoo, yog lawm, nws zoo heev uas tau nrog koj tham hnub no. Ua tsaug rau koj tau caw kuv los ua ib feem ntawm qhov kev sib tham no. Thiab pom tseeb tias cov no yog cov teeb meem loj heev uas peb tab tom ntsib nrog. Um, thiab kuv txhawb kom tib neeg mus rau peb lub vev xaib, world Beyond word.org.

Yog tias koj xav paub ntau ntxiv txog peb txoj haujlwm thiab koom nrog,

Shiloh: uh, yog lawm, Kuv tsuas yog, um, ua tsaug rau qhov kev sib tham thiab cov ntsiab lus uas, uas koj tau coj los rau hnub no. Um, yog, nws zoo heev. Kuv, tshwj xeeb tshaj yog thaum kawg, qhov zoo li, uh, kev sib tham nyob ib puag ncig zoo li tej zaum sib txawv saib kab tias, qhov ntawd yog ib qho piv txwv zoo heev uas zoo li yuav ua li cas [01:17:00] rau, um, yuav ua li cas muaj kev sib tham, zoo li kev sib tham dav dav qhov twg koj yeej xav paub thiab nug cov lus nug thiab, um, tsis sib cais, zoo li, oh, peb tsis, peb tsis tau ntsib qhov muag.

Nws zoo li, zoo, cia peb, koj paub, cia peb tham txog qhov koj txhais li cas los ntawm lo lus no thiab, uh, tawg nws thiab qhov ntawd, qhov ntawd yog qhov zoo heev. Thiab kuv, kuv tsuas yog, yog. Zuag qhia tag nrho, tsuas yog txaus siab rau koj txhua tus, txoj haujlwm uas koj ua thiab, lub sijhawm koj tau koom nrog peb.

Anna: Yog. Hais tau zoo kawg, Shiloh. Kuv tsuas yog xav hais, koj paub, Tiag, zoo siab heev uas tau nyob hauv qhov kev sib tham no.

Kuv xav tias koj paub koj ua dab tsi. Greta Jovanni Shiloh yog qhov zoo heev thiab, um, zoo siab heev kom nyob hauv kev sib cuag thiab khaws cia, uh, txav kev tawm tsam mus tom ntej. Yog li, yog. Ua tsaug dua.

Jovanni: Yog lawm. kiag li. Thiab ua tsaug rau koj tuaj koom peb, uh, ntawm no ntawm Fortress On The Hill. Um, thiab, uh, vam tias qhov kev sib tham no txuas ntxiv mus.

Henri: Nyiaj tau nruj niaj hnub no rau txhua tus, tshwj xeeb tshaj yog nyob rau hauv qhov ntxoov ntxoo ntawm COVID, npib nyiaj npib kom ua rau nws mus txog [01:18:00] lub hlis feem ntau tsis muab nyiaj rau tib neeg los pab txhawb rau tus tsim lawv txhawb nqa. Yog li peb xav txog nws qhov kev hwm siab tshaj plaws uas tib neeg pab peb pab nyiaj podcast hauv txhua qhov nyiaj uas lawv muaj peev xwm. Patreon yog qhov chaw tseem ceeb los ua qhov ntawd. Thiab rau cov neeg txhawb nqa uas tuaj yeem pub dawb $ 10 ib hlis lossis ntau dua, lawv yuav raug teev nyob ntawm no ua tus tsim muaj koob npe. Zoo li cov neeg zoo li no. Fahim's Txhua Tus Npau Suav, James O'Barr, James Higgins, Eric Phillips, Paul Appel,, Julie Dupree, Thomas Benson, Janet Hanson, Daniel Fleming, Michael Karen, Ren jacob, Rick Coffey, Scott Spaulding, spooky Hniav thiab cov xwm txheej podcast . Txawm li cas los xij, yog Patreon tsis yog koj li style, [01:19:00] koj tuaj yeem pab ncaj qha los ntawm PayPal ntawm PayPal dot kuv rau pem hauv ntej slash Fortress rau toj, lossis thov mus saib peb lub khw ntawm

Spreadshirt rau qee yam khoom zoo Fortress. Peb nyob hauv Twitter thiab @facebook.com ntawm Fortress On A Hill. Koj tuaj yeem pom peb cov ntawv sau tag nrho ntawm ntu ntawm Fortress On A Hill dot com. Skepticism yog ib qho cuab yeej zoo tshaj plaws. Tsis nco qab lawm. Peb mam li ntsib koj tom ntej.

Kuv vam tias koj yuav tau mloog. Kuv yuav tsis ntes koj ntev.