Tsohon Jami'in Matthew Hoh, Wanda Ya Yi Murabus Kan Yakin Afghanistan, Ya Ce Kuskuren Amurka Ya Taimakawa Taliban Samun Nasara

AMY GOODMAN: wannan shi ne Democracy Now!, democracynow.org, Rundunar War da Aminci. Ni Amy Goodman.

Yayin da muke ci gaba da duba Afganistan, Matthew Hoh, tsohon jami'in ruwa da na ma'aikatar harkokin waje ya haɗu da mu. A cikin 2009, ya zama jami'in Amurka na farko da aka sani ya yi murabus don nuna rashin amincewarsa da Yaƙin Afghanistan. A lokacin da ya yi murabus, yana aiki a matsayin babban farar hula na Amurka a lardin Zabul da ke kan iyakar Pakistan. A cikin wasikar murabus dinsa, Matthew Hoh ya rubuta, “Na rasa fahimta da kwarin gwiwa kan manufofin dabarun kasancewar Amurka a Afghanistan. Ina da shakku da damuwa game da dabarun mu na yanzu da dabarun da aka tsara nan gaba, amma murabus na ya dogara ne ba kan yadda muke bin wannan yaƙin ba, amma me yasa kuma menene ƙarshen. ” Matthew Hoh yanzu abokin aiki ne a Cibiyar Manufofin Kasa da Kasa.

Matiyu, barka da zuwa Democracy Now! Shin za ku iya amsawa ba kawai abin da ya faru a Afganistan ba, har ma kafofin watsa labarai na Amurka suna ɗaukar wannan kuma wanene ke tsara labarin?

MATAR HOH: Na gode don dawo da ni, Amy.

Ina nufin, shine - Ina tsammanin abin da ya fi ban tausayi fiye da abin da ya faru da mutanen Afghanistan shine cewa a cikin 'yan kwanaki Amurka za ta sake manta da Afghanistan. Don haka, a yanzu muna ganin babban adadin ɗaukar hoto. Yawancin su da gaske rashin ɗaukar hoto ne, mai saukin kai, suna manne da labaran yaƙin, sun kasa duba shaidar. Ina nufin, a yanzu labarin da ya mamaye shine cewa Afghanistan ta rushe saboda Joe Biden ya janye sojoji 2,500 daga wata ƙasa mai girman Texas. Wannan kamar zurfin kuma, kun sani, tunanin da ke shiga cikin wannan tattaunawar a yawancin manyan kafofin watsa labarai na Amurka.

Wannan yakin - ko, wannan ƙarewa - kuma bai kamata in ce "ƙarewa ba," saboda Afghanistan tana cikin mawuyacin hali a yanzu. Wannan na iya zama farkon, kun sani, abin da zai zama mummunan zaman lafiya, zaman lafiya mara adalci, amma wataƙila wata dama ce ga 'yan Afghanistan don sake ginawa da sasantawa, idan an rage tashin hankali. Ko kuma yana iya zama kawai mataki na gaba a cikin wannan yakin basasa wanda ya koma shekarun 1970, saboda abin da kuke da shi, kuna da masu yaƙi, waɗanda da yawa daga cikin masu yaƙin ya goyi bayan Taliban a 'yan makonnin da suka gabata ko watanni - duk da haka, akwai da yawa Shugabannin yaƙin da ba su yi ba - da kuma maza a cikin gwamnati kamar Amrullah Saleh, wanda shine mataimakin shugaban Ashraf Ghani, wanda a yanzu yake ayyana kansa a matsayin halattaccen shugaban Afghanistan, tare da masu yaƙi kamar Mohammad Atta Noor, Abdul Rashid Dostum, waɗanda suka tsere daga kasa. Waɗannan maza ne waɗanda ba sa fid da rai cikin sauƙi. Waɗannan maza ne waɗanda ke son dawo da abin da suka yi imani nasu ne. Kuma waɗannan maza ne waɗanda ke da dogon tarihi tare da Ba'amurke CIA. Kuma a nan ne amincin CIA zai kasance.

Don haka, muna kan hanya a nan inda za a iya samun wata hanya, saboda wannan mummunan zaman lafiya da rashin adalci, zuwa sake gina sulhu, ko kuma wannan na iya zama farkon matakin farko a sabon ɓangaren wannan yakin basasa mai gudana, saboda Amurkawa na iya duba wannan ka ce, “Duba, wannan shine yadda Afghanistan ta kasance a ranar 10 ga Satumba, 2001. Akwai wasu mayaƙan yaƙi da aka rutsa da su a wasu larduna. Taliban ce ke iko da mafi yawan kasar. ” Kuma zan iya ba ku tabbacin akwai mutane a Washington, DC, a halin yanzu da ke cewa, “Mun yi shi a 2001. Za mu iya sake yi. Kuma a wannan karon za mu fi yin hakan. ” Sabili da haka, matsayi ne mai ban tsoro don kasancewa, Ina tsammanin, a yanzu ga 'yan Afghanistan, saboda dalilai da yawa.

Koyaya, game da ɗaukar hoto na kafofin watsa labarai, kuna gani - kun sani, a sauƙaƙe, kuna ganin irin mutanen da suka yi kuskure game da wannan yaƙin sun sake maimaitawa. Sharhin yana da sauƙi. Yana dogara ne akan labaran. Kuna da masu sharhi waɗanda ke faɗi abubuwa game da yaƙin, game da yadda Afghanistan, kafin ficewar Joe Biden, ya kasance cikin kwanciyar hankali, yadda aka sami ci gaba-kun sani, cikakken ƙarya da ƙagaggen labari waɗanda ke da sauƙin bincika gaskiya. , amma ba haka bane.

Kuma ina tsammanin wannan shine dalilin da ya sa Joe Biden zai iya zuwa ya yi magana da jama'ar Amurka ranar Litinin game da yakin da ya lalata miliyoyin rayuka, wahala mai yawa, kuma Joe Biden na iya buɗe maganganunsa ta hanyar yin karya game da adawarsa da hauhawar jini a 2009, wanda bai yi hamayya ba - kun sani, a zahiri, kawai yana son aika da sojoji ƙasa da na Shugaba Obama, 10,000 ƙasa da 100,000; wancan shine hamayyar Joe Biden ga yaƙin a 2009: aika 90,000 maimakon 100,000-kazalika, ƙaryarsa game da yadda Amurka ba ta yin ginin ƙasa. Akwai yanayin kafofin watsa labarai a nan inda Joe Biden da mutanen sa suka san cewa kawai zai iya buɗe waɗannan maganganun tare da waɗancan ƙarya, kuma za a yarda da shi.

AMY GOODMAN: Bari mu tafi - bari mu koma ga adireshin Shugaba Biden ranar Litinin, lokacin da ya shigo daga Camp David yayin da ake sukar sa sosai kan hargitsi a Kabul da abin da ya faru a Afghanistan. Wannan shine jawabinsa game da aikin Amurka a Afghanistan.

Shugaban kasa JOE BIDAN: Na yi jayayya shekaru da yawa cewa yakamata aikin mu ya kasance mai da hankali kan yaƙar ta’addanci, ba wai taɓarɓarewa ko gina ƙasa ba. Shi ya sa na yi adawa da tiyata lokacin da aka ba da shawarar a 2009, lokacin ina mataimakin shugaban kasa.

AMY GOODMAN: Matiyu Hoh?

MATAR HOH: To, ina tsammanin akwai abubuwa da yawa da za a kwance a nan. Komawa ga kafofin watsa labarai, akwai labari cewa Amurka ba ta yi kokari sosai ba. Sakamakon - don haka, lokacin da Barack Obama ya hau mulki a 2009, akwai sojojin Amurka 30,000 a Afghanistan da adadin daidai NATO sojoji da 'yan kwangila. A cikin shekara guda da rabi, akwai sojojin Amurka 100,000, 40,000 NATO sojoji da 'yan kwangila sama da 100,000. Sabili da haka Amurka tana da sojoji miliyan huɗu a Afghanistan. Kuma kuma, hamayyar Joe Biden ga hakan shine aika da ƙarancin sojoji 10,000. Don haka, adawar Joe Biden zata kasance kamar sojoji 240,000 da 'yan kwangila a Afghanistan sabanin 250,000.

Bayanin game da rashin ƙoƙarin gina ƙasa-Ina cikin rukunin da ake kira ƙungiyar sake gina lardi. Ina nufin, ƙaryar cewa-faɗi hakan ga miliyoyin maza da mata waɗanda suka yi aiki a Afghanistan, waɗanda suka wuce can, suka shiga cikin wannan aikin gina ƙasa-kuma sun san sun shiga cikin aikin gina ƙasa-sannan Shugaban Amurka don yin karya cikin sauƙi cikin sauƙi game da yadda ba game da gina ƙasa ba, ina tsammanin wannan shine ɗayan mafi kyawun bayanin wannan yaƙin, ga duk waɗannan yaƙe-yaƙe a cikin duniyar Musulmi, wannan shine, kawai saukin karya da ke faruwa.

Kuma Amurka - batu na uku game da wannan, Amurka ta yi ƙoƙarin yaƙar ta'addanci. Dabarun yaƙar ta’addanci da Joe Biden ke magana a kai shine dabarun da Janar Petraeus yayi amfani da shi bayan Janar McChrystal ya tafi kuma lokacin da Amurka ta sauya daga ta’addanci zuwa ta’addanci. Kuma me hakan ke nufi? Wannan yana nufin tashin bamabamai a ƙauyuka da kuma kai farmakin dare, yana aikawa da kwamandoji sau 20 a cikin dare zuwa ƙauyukan Afganistan don harba ƙofofi da kashe mutane. Kuma kun ga sakamakon hakan. Sakamakon hakan shine, a kowace shekara, Taliban na samun ƙarfi. A kowace shekara, Taliban na samun ƙarin tallafi.

Kuma wannan ya zo ga dukkan wautar abin da Amurka ta yi a can. Shekaru da yawa, Amurka ta ba mutanen Afganistan zaɓuɓɓuka biyu: Kuna iya tallafawa Taliban ko kuma ku iya tallafawa wannan gwamnatin da ta kunshi jagororin yaƙi da shugabannin miyagun ƙwayoyi, wannan cin hanci da rashawa ne, rashin bin tsarin dimokraɗiyya - saboda duk zaɓen sun kasance haramtattu da zamba - kuma mai cin nama. Kuma Amurka ta yi amfani da dabarar rarrabuwa da cin nasara don gwada cimma burin ta a Afganistan, kamar yadda ta yi a Iraki tare da fafatawa da Shi'a da Sunni. Don haka, abin da kuke da shi kuna da - kun sani, abin da kuke da shi, sake, wannan zaɓin: zaɓi Taliban ko wannan gwamnati. Kuma abin da ya faru a wannan shekarar da ta gabata ita ce, 'yan Afghanistan, ciki har da wadanda ba Pashtuns-Pashtuns, kasancewar su da yawa a cikin ƙasar Afghanistan, su ne suka fara zama' yan Taliban, waɗanda suka zama shugabannin Taliban, da sauransu, waɗanda ya kasance ba daidai ba na dabarun raba-da-cin nasara na Amurka. Amma ba Taliban kadai ta goyi bayan ba - Yi hakuri, ba Pashtuns kadai suka goyi bayan Taliban ba, amma 'yan Afghanistan daga dukkan sassan kasar, dukkan kabilu sun goyi bayan Taliban, saboda wannan shine mummunan zabin da gwamnatin Afghanistan ta yiwa Afghanistan. mutane a cikin shekaru ashirin da suka gabata.

Don haka, wani bangare na watsa labarai shine kawai rashin iyawa ko rashin son kafofin watsa labarai na Amurka suyi magana game da ainihin gwamnatin Afghanistan. Muna jin abubuwa da yawa game da haƙƙin mata a yanzu - kuma ya kamata mu yi. Yana da matukar muhimmanci. Yana da mahimmanci mai mahimmanci. Amma Amurkawa nawa ne suka san cewa, a karkashin gwamnatin Afganistan, hudu daga cikin biyar - kamar yadda hudu daga cikin matan Afghanistan biyar aka yi musu auren dole, da yawa daga cikinsu 'yan matan aure? Amurkawa nawa ne suka san cewa a Afghanistan, a ƙarƙashin dokar Afghanistan, ya halatta mutum ya yi wa matarsa ​​fyade, ko kuma a gidajen yarin gwamnatin Afghanistan, yawancin matan da ke gidajen yarin na Afghanistan ba sa nan saboda suna goyon bayan Taliban, amma saboda na laifukan ɗabi'a? Don haka, eh, wataƙila wannan gwamnatin ta Afganistan, wannan gwamnatin sarkin yaƙi, ba ta kasance kamar wasan kwaikwayo a cikin rashin mutuncinta kamar yadda Taliban ta kasance ba, dangane da zartar da kashe mata da duwatsu a filayen wasa. Kuma, eh, ga mutane da yawa - akwai matan da suka ci gajiyar a cikin shekaru 20 da suka gabata. Amma ga mafi yawan mata a Afganistan, rayuwa ba ta yi kyau ba, musamman tunda abin da ya fi damun su, tsawon shekaru ashirin yanzu, wani bam na Taliban ya kashe shi a hanya ko bam ɗin Amurka daga sama. Kuma ya kamata in faɗi, ba su ba, amma danginsu, 'ya'yansu, maƙwabta, da sauransu.

AMY GOODMAN: Matthew Hoh, yana magana game da abin da ba mu sani ba - kuma muna da minti ɗaya kawai - Hukumar Leken Asiri ta Tsakiya, the CIA sojoji a Afghanistan. Menene ya kamata mu fahimta? Kuma menene kayan leken asiri na Pegasus ya bayyana?

MATAR HOH: Da kyau, fahimtata ce-kuma ga mutanen da ba su saba da kayan leken asiri na Pegasus ba, wannan kayan leken asiri ne na Isra’ila wanda ke satar wayoyi, sadarwa. Idan kuka kalli abin da ya faru a Meziko, da yawa daga cikin 'yan siyasar da aka kashe a Mexico a bara sun sami wannan kayan leken asiri na Pegasus a wayar su. Kuma abin da na fahimta shi ne cewa akwai bayanan bayanan leƙen asiri na Pegasus waɗanda ke nuna haɗin kai a wannan shekarar bara tsakanin CIA, tsakanin gwamnatin Afghanistan da tsakanin Taliban.

Duba, abin da ya faru a Afghanistan bai faru ba a cikin makwanni kawai. Wannan hari ne da Taliban ta shirya sama da shekara guda. Kuma sakamakon hakan ya yi nasara sosai ga Taliban. Don haka, tambayar tana buƙatar tambaya, shine: Me yasa jama'ar Amurka ba su san abin da ke faruwa a Afghanistan ba? Don dawo da ra'ayin ku game da kafofin watsa labarai.

Kuma yayin da muke ci gaba, ina tsammanin muhimmin abin da za mu yi shi ne Amurkawa su zabi hanyar tallafawa Afghanistan ta hanyar taimaka musu su sake ginawa da sasantawa. Don yin hakan, Ofishin Jakadancin Amurka dole ne ya kasance a buɗe. Idan mutane suna son 'yan gudun hijirar su fice, dole ne ofishin jakadancin Amurka ya kasance a bude. Dole ne a ci gaba da ba da tallafi, idan kuna son ƙungiyoyi kamar TOLOnews su ci gaba da kasancewa a kan iska. TOLOnews ne Amurkawa suka ba da kuɗin. Amurkawa sun ba da tallafin ta shekaru da yawa yanzu. Domin kafafen yada labarai su ci gaba da rayuwa a Afghanistan, dole ne gwamnatin Amurka ta ci gaba da tallafa mata. Don haka, a wannan lokacin, dole ne gwamnatin Amurka ta ci gaba da kasancewa a Afghanistan don kare lafiyar jama'ar Afghanistan. Kuma idan mutane -

AMY GOODMAN: Matthew Hoh, za mu bar shi a can, saboda a sashinmu na gaba, za mu yi magana game da 'yan gudun hijirar Afghanistan, wani da ke da hannu a sake tsugunar da' yan gudun hijirar Afghanistan a Amurka. Amma za mu dawo gare ku a cikin kwanaki masu zuwa. Duk wannan yana da mahimman bayanai waɗanda ba ma samun su daga kafofin watsa labarai na kamfanoni. Matthew Hoh, babban abokin aiki tare da Cibiyar Manufofin Kasa da Kasa, tsohon marine a [Iraki] kuma jami'in ma'aikatar harkokin waje a Afghanistan, wanda ya yi murabus a 2009, jami'in Amurka na farko da ya yi murabus a bainar jama'a don nuna adawa da yakin Afghanistan.

Muna zuwa, muna magana da ƙungiyar haƙƙin ƙaura ta Texas, RASHIN ZURIYA, game da sake tsugunar da 'yan gudun hijirar Afghanistan da martani ga Gwamnan Texas na Republican Greg Abbott yana gwajin inganci ga coronavirus yayin da yake zagin bakin haure don yadawa. Covid-19. Zauna tare da mu.