Yurii Sheliazhenko akan Dimokuradiyya Yanzu daga Kyiv

AMY GOODMAN: Yunkurin mamayar da Rasha ke yi wa Ukraine ya shiga kwana na shida, inda Rasha ke kara kai hare-hare. Hotunan tauraron dan adam sun nuna jerin gwanon motocin Rasha masu sulke da tankokin yaki mai tsawon mil 40 da ke kan hanyar zuwa Kyiv, babban birnin Ukraine. Da sanyin safiyar yau ne wani makami mai linzami na kasar Rasha ya kai hari kan ginin gwamnati da ke birnin Kharkiv, lamarin da ya haddasa wata babbar fashewa a birnin na biyu mafi girma a kasar Ukraine. An kuma kai hare-hare a yankunan fararen hula a birnin Kharkiv. Hukumomin Ukraine sun kuma bayar da rahoton cewa an kashe sojojin Ukraine fiye da 70 a gabashin birnin Okhtyrka bayan wani hari da makami mai linzami da Rasha ta kai kan wani sansanin soji.

A ranar litinin ne kasashen Ukraine da Rasha suka yi shawarwari na sa'o'i biyar a kusa da iyakar Belarus, amma ba a cimma matsaya ba. Ana sa ran bangarorin biyu za su sake haduwa cikin kwanaki masu zuwa. Shugaban kasar Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky ya yi kira da a kafa yankin hana zirga-zirgar jiragen sama a Ukraine, amma Amurka da kawayenta sun yi watsi da ra'ayin, suna masu cewa hakan na iya haifar da yakin basasa.

Har ila yau Ukraine da kungiyoyin kare hakkin bil adama sun zargi Rasha da kai wa fararen hula hari da bama-bamai na gungu da kuma bama-bamai. Wadancan abubuwan da ake kira bama-bamai bama-bamai sune mafi karfi da bama-bamai masu fashewa da ake amfani da su wajen yaki. Rasha ta musanta kai hari kan fararen hula ko kayayyakin more rayuwa. A halin da ake ciki, kotun hukunta manyan laifuka ta duniya ta sanar da shirin gudanar da bincike kan laifukan yaki a Ukraine.

A Majalisar Dinkin Duniya, Majalisar Dinkin Duniya ta yi wani taron gaggawa a yau litinin domin tattauna rikicin. Wannan shi ne Jakadan Ukraine Sergiy Kyslytsya.

SERGIY KYSLYTSYA: Idan Ukraine ba ta tsira ba, zaman lafiyar duniya ba zai wanzu ba. Idan Ukraine ba ta tsira ba, Majalisar Dinkin Duniya ba za ta tsira ba. Kada ku yi tunani. Idan Ukraine ba ta tsira ba, ba za mu yi mamaki ba idan dimokiradiyya ta kasa gaba. Yanzu za mu iya ceton Ukraine, mu ceci Majalisar Dinkin Duniya, mu ceci dimokiradiyya da kare dabi'un da muka yi imani da su.

AMY GOODMAN: Kuma kafin mu tafi watsa shirye-shirye, shugaban kasar Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky ya yi jawabi ga majalisar Turai ta hanyar bidiyo. Daga karshe Majalisar ta yi masa jinjina.

Yanzu muna zuwa Kyiv, inda muke tare da Yurii Sheliazhenko. Shi ne sakataren zartarwa na kungiyar Pacifist ta Ukraine kuma mamba ne a Hukumar Kula da Ƙarfin Lantarki ta Turai. Yurii kuma memba ne a kwamitin gudanarwa a Duniya BABI Yaki da abokiyar bincike a KROK Jami'ar Kyiv.

Yurii Sheliazhenko, barka da dawowa Democracy Now! Mun yi magana da ku kafin mamayewar Rasha. Shin za ku iya magana kan abin da ke faruwa a kasa a yanzu da kuma abin da kuke kira a matsayin mai fafutuka?

YURI SHELIAZHENKO: Ina kwana. Na gode don daidaitaccen aikin jarida da ba da rahoto kan zanga-zangar zaman lafiya a zaman wani bangare na radadi da sha'awar yaki.

Siyasar soji tsakanin Gabas da Yamma ta wuce gona da iri, tare da gudanar da aikin soja na rikon sakainar kashi. NATO fadada, mamayewar Rasha zuwa Ukraine da barazanar nukiliya ga duniya, militarization na Ukraine, tare da ware Rasha daga cibiyoyi na kasa da kasa da kuma korar jami'an diflomasiyyar Rasha a zahiri tura Putin daga diflomasiyya zuwa haɓakar yaƙi. Maimakon murkushe haɗin kai na ƙarshe na ɗan adam don fushi, muna buƙatar fiye da kowane lokaci don kiyayewa da ƙarfafa wuraren sadarwa da haɗin gwiwa tsakanin dukan mutane a duniya, kuma kowane ƙoƙari na kowane mutum yana da daraja.

Kuma abin takaici ne yadda goyon bayan Ukraine a kasashen Yamma galibi goyon bayan soji ne da kuma kakaba takunkumin tattalin arziki mai raɗaɗi a kan Rasha, da kuma ba da rahoto kan rikice-rikice suna mai da hankali kan yaƙi da kusan yin watsi da tsayin daka na yaƙi ba tare da tashin hankali ba, domin fararen hula masu jaruntaka na Ukraine suna canza alamun tituna suna tarewa. tituna da toshe tankunan yaki, suna tsayawa kawai ba tare da makami ba, kamar ma'aikatan tanka, don dakatar da yakin. Alal misali, a birnin Berdyansk da kauyen Kulykіvka, mutane sun shirya tarurruka na zaman lafiya kuma sun shawo kan sojojin Rasha su fita. Ƙungiyar zaman lafiya ta yi gargadin shekaru da yawa cewa yin amfani da makamai ba tare da gangan ba zai haifar da yaki. Mun yi gaskiya. Mun shirya mutane da yawa don warware rikici cikin lumana ko don juriya mara tashin hankali. Mun kiyaye haƙƙin ɗan adam, wajibcin duniya na taimakon 'yan gudun hijira. Yana taimakawa yanzu kuma yana ba da bege ga mafita cikin lumana, wanda koyaushe.

Ina yi wa dukan mutane fatan zaman lafiya da farin ciki na duniya, babu yaƙe-yaƙe a yau da har abada. Amma, abin takaici, yayin da mafi yawan mutane, a mafi yawan lokuta, a mafi yawan wurare, suna rayuwa cikin kwanciyar hankali, kyakkyawan birni na Kyiv, babban birnin Ukraine, da sauran garuruwan Ukrain sun kasance hare-haren bam na Rasha. Kafin wannan hirar, na sake jin karar fashewar abubuwa daga tagogi. Sirens yana kuka sau da yawa a rana, yana ɗaukar kwanaki da yawa. An kashe daruruwan mutane, ciki har da yara, saboda ta'asar Rasha. Dubban mutane ne suka jikkata. Dubban daruruwan mutane ne suka rasa matsugunansu tare da neman mafaka a ketare, bugu da kari ga miliyoyin ‘yan gudun hijira da ‘yan gudun hijira a Rasha da Turai bayan shafe shekaru takwas ana gwabza yaki tsakanin gwamnatin Ukraine da ‘yan awaren da ke samun goyon bayan Rasha a Donbas.

Duk mazan da ke tsakanin shekaru 18 zuwa 60 an hana su ’yancin yin ƙaura a ƙasashen waje kuma an kira su su sa hannu a yunƙurin yaƙi, ba tare da keɓanta wa waɗanda suka ƙi shiga soja ba saboda imaninsu da waɗanda suke gudu daga yaƙi. War Resisters' International sun yi kakkausar suka ga wannan matakin da gwamnatin Ukraine ta dauka na hana duk wani 'yan kasa maza masu shekaru 18 zuwa 60 ficewa daga kasar tare da neman a janye wadannan shawarwari.

Ina sha'awar gagarumin gangamin adawa da yaƙi a Rasha, ƴan ƙasa masu ƙarfin hali waɗanda ke adawa da injin yaƙin Putin ba tare da tashin hankali ba a ƙarƙashin barazanar kamawa da azabtarwa. Abokanmu, ƙungiyar ƙin yarda da imaninmu a Rasha, kuma mambobi ne na Ofishin Turai don Ƙarfafa Tunani, sun yi Allah wadai da zaluncin sojan Rasha kuma sun yi kira ga Rasha ta dakatar da yaƙin, suna kiran dukan waɗanda aka ɗauka don ƙin aikin soja kuma su nemi madadin aikin farar hula ko kuma da'awar keɓance wa likita. filaye.

Kuma ana gudanar da tarukan zaman lafiya a duniya a duk fadin duniya domin nuna goyon baya ga zaman lafiya a Ukraine. Kimanin rabin mutane a Berlin na fuskantar barazana don nuna adawa da yaki. Akwai ayyukan antiwar a Italiya, a Faransa. Abokanmu daga Gensuikyo, Majalisar Japan Against Atomic da Hydrogen Bombs, sun mayar da martani ga Putin barazanar nukiliya tare da zanga-zangar a Hiroshima da Nagasaki. Ina gayyatar ku don neman abubuwan da suka faru na baya-bayan nan na duniya da na Amurka a gidan yanar gizon WorldBeyondWar.org, don shiga cikin ranar aiki na duniya don dakatar da yakin Ukraine a ranar 6 ga Maris a karkashin taken, "Sojojin Rasha sun fita. A'a NATO fadada," wanda CodePink da sauran kungiyoyin zaman lafiya suka shirya.

Abin kunya ne a ce Rasha da Ukraine har ya zuwa yanzu sun kasa yin shawarwarin tsagaita bude wuta da kuma kasa cimma matsaya kan amintattun hanyoyin jin kai na kwashe fararen hula. Tattaunawar da aka yi tsakanin Ukraine da Rasha ba ta cimma matsaya ba. Putin yana buƙatar matsayi na tsaka-tsaki na Ukraine, denazification, demilitarization na Ukraine da kuma amincewa da cewa Crimea na Rasha ne, wanda ya saba wa dokokin kasa da kasa. Kuma ya gaya wa Macron. Don haka, mun yi watsi da waɗannan buƙatun na Putin. Tawagar Ukraine a tattaunawar a shirye ta ke ta tattauna batun tsagaita bude wuta kawai da sojojin Rasha da ke barin Ukraine, saboda ba shakka, batutuwan da suka shafi yankin Ukraine. Har ila yau, Ukraine ta ci gaba da luguden wuta a Donetsk yayin da Rasha ta yi ruwan bama-bamai a Kharkiv da wasu garuruwa. Ainihin, duka bangarorin biyu, Ukraine da Rasha, suna fada ne kuma ba sa son kwantar da hankula. Putin da Zelensky ya kamata su shiga tattaunawar zaman lafiya da gaske kuma cikin aminci a matsayinsu na 'yan siyasa masu daukar nauyin al'umma da wakilan jama'a, bisa ga muradun jama'a, maimakon yin gwagwarmayar neman mukamai na bai daya. Ina fatan cewa akwai -

Juan GONZÁLEZ: To, Yurii, Yurii Sheliazhenko, Ina so in tambaye ku - kun ambaci Shugaba Zelensky. Ana yaba masa a yawancin kafafen yada labarai na Yamma a matsayin gwarzo tun bayan mamayar. Menene kimanta ku na yadda Shugaba Zelensky ke aiki a cikin wannan rikicin?

YURI SHELIAZHENKO: Shugaba Zelensky ya mika wuya ga injin yaki. Yana bin hanyar soja, kuma ya kasa kiran Putin kuma ya nemi kai tsaye don dakatar da yakin.

Kuma ina fatan cewa tare da taimakon dukan mutane a duniya suna faɗar gaskiya ga mulki, suna neman a daina harbe-harbe a fara magana, taimaka wa waɗanda suke bukata da kuma saka hannun jari ga al'adun zaman lafiya da ilimi don zama 'yan ƙasa marasa tashin hankali, tare da mu za mu iya gina kyakkyawan tsari. duniya babu sojoji da iyakoki, duniyar da gaskiya da soyayya manyan iko ne, masu rungumar gabas da yamma. Na yi imani cewa rashin tashin hankali shine kayan aiki mafi inganci da ci gaba don mulkin duniya, adalci na zamantakewa da muhalli.

Ra'ayoyin game da tashin hankali na tsari da yaki a matsayin panacea, mafita mai banmamaki ga dukan matsalolin zamantakewa, ƙarya ne. Takunkumin da kasashen Yamma da Gabas suke dorawa junansu sakamakon yakin neman iko da Ukraine tsakanin Amurka da Rasha na iya raunana amma ba zai raba kan kasuwannin ra'ayoyi, kwadago, kayayyaki da kuma kudade na duniya ba. Don haka, babu makawa kasuwannin duniya za su sami hanyar da za ta biya bukatarta a gwamnatin duniya. Tambaya ita ce: Yaya wayewa kuma ta yaya dimokiradiyya za ta zama gwamnatin duniya a nan gaba?

Kuma manufar kawancen soji na tabbatar da cikakken yancin kai na inganta son zuciya maimakon dimokradiyya. Yaushe NATO Membobi suna ba da taimakon soji don tallafawa ikon gwamnatin Ukraine, ko kuma lokacin da Rasha ta aika da sojoji don yin yaƙi don neman ikon mallaka na Donetsk da Luhansk masu fafutuka, ya kamata ku tuna cewa ikon da ba a kula da shi yana nufin zubar da jini, kuma ikon mallakar shine - ikon mallaka ba shakka ba darajar dimokiradiyya ba ce. Dukkan dimokuradiyya sun fito ne daga tsayin daka ga masu kishin jini, daidaikun mutane da kuma na gama gari. Masu cin ribar yaki na Yamma suna barazana ga dimokuradiyya kamar yadda masu mulkin kama-karya na Gabas suke yi. Kuma yunƙurinsu na rarrabawa da mulkin Duniya yana kama da gaske. NATO kamata ya yi ta ja da baya daga rikicin da ke kewaye da Ukraine, sakamakon yadda take goyon bayan kokarin yaki da kuma burin zama memba na gwamnatin Ukraine. Kuma bisa manufa, NATO ya kamata a wargaje ko kuma a rikide zuwa kawancen kwance damara maimakon kawancen soja. Kuma, ba shakka -

AMY GOODMAN: Bari in tambaye ka wani abu, Yurii. Mun dai sami wannan kalmar a ciki. Kun sani, Zelensky ya riga ya yi magana ta bidiyo Majalisar Tarayyar Turai. Bayan sun yi masa tarba, kuma majalisar Turai ta amince da bukatar Ukraine ta shiga Tarayyar Turai. Menene martaninku akan hakan?

YURI SHELIAZHENKO: Ina alfahari da kasata cewa mun hade da kawancen dimokuradiyya na Yamma, Tarayyar Turai, wacce ita ce kungiyar zaman lafiya. Kuma ina fatan duk duniya a nan gaba za ta kasance cikin zaman lafiya. Amma, abin takaici, Tarayyar Turai, da kuma Ukraine, suna da irin wannan matsalar ta soja. Kuma yana kama da Ma'aikatar Aminci ta dystopian a cikin littafin Orwell 1984, lokacin da wuraren zaman lafiya na Turai ke ba da taimakon soja ga Ukraine, amma kusan babu taimako don magance rashin tashin hankali ga rikicin da ake ciki yanzu da kuma kawar da makamai. Ina fata, ba shakka, Ukraine na Turai ne. Ukraine kasa ce ta dimokradiyya. Kuma yana da kyau cewa an amince da aikace-aikacen Yukren don shiga Tarayyar Turai, amma ina ganin cewa wannan haɗin gwiwa na yammacin bai kamata ya zama haɗin kai ga abin da ake kira abokan gaba ba, a gabas. Gabas da Yamma ya kamata su sami sulhu cikin lumana kuma su bi tsarin mulkin duniya, hadin kan dukkan mutane a duniya ba tare da sojoji da iyakoki ba. Bai kamata wannan haɗin kai na Yamma ya kai ga yaƙi da Gabas ba. Gabas da Yamma su zama abokan juna kuma su zauna lafiya da tarwatsa sojoji. Kuma, ba shakka, Yarjejeniyar Hana Makaman Nukiliya na ɗaya daga cikin wuraren da aka kawar da makaman gaba ɗaya waɗanda ake buƙata.

Ka sani, yanzu muna fama da matsalar mulkin da aka kafa bisa mulkin kasa. Lokacin, alal misali - lokacin da Ukraine ta hana mutane da yawa shiga cikin rayuwar jama'a suna magana da Rashanci, yana kama da al'ada. Da alama mulki ne. Ba lallai ba ne. Ba wai dalili ba ne kawai na mamayewa da cin zarafi na soja ba, ba shakka, kamar yadda Putin ke ikirari, amma ba daidai ba ne. Kuma, ba shakka, Yamma sau da yawa ya kamata a ce wa Ukraine cewa 'yancin ɗan adam yana da matukar muhimmanci, kuma 'yancin faɗar albarkacin baki, ciki har da 'yancin harshe, al'amuran, da wakilcin mutane masu goyon bayan Rasha, mutanen Rashanci a cikin rayuwar siyasa. abu mai mahimmanci. Kuma zaluncin al'adun maƙwabcin mu da ƴan ƙasashen waje a Ukraine, ba shakka, zai fusata Kremlin. Kuma abin ya fusata. Kuma lallai wannan rikicin ya kamata a danne shi, ba wai a ta'azzara shi ba. Kuma hakika wannan babbar rana da aka amince da Ukraine a matsayin al'ummar Turai bai kamata ta zama farkon adawa, adawar soja, tsakanin Turai da Rasha ba. Amma ina fatan Rasha ma za ta fita da sojojinta daga Ukraine sannan kuma za ta shiga Tarayyar Turai, kuma Tarayyar Turai da kungiyar hadin gwiwa ta Shanghai da sauran kawayen yankin, Tarayyar Afirka da sauransu, nan gaba za su zama wani bangare na wani bangare na wata kasa mai tasowa. Haɗin kai na siyasar duniya, mulkin duniya, kamar yadda Immanuel Kant a cikin kyakkyawan ƙasidarsa, Aminci Dawwama, hassada, ka sani? Shirin Immanuel Kant don -

Juan GONZÁLEZ: To, Yurii, Yurii Sheliazhenko, ina so in tambaye ku - dangane da batun rage yanayin da ake ciki da kuma neman samun zaman lafiya, Ukraine ta nemi yankin hana tashi sama da wasu yankuna na Ukraine. Tabbas dole ne sojojin Tarayyar Turai da Amurka su aiwatar da hakan. Menene ra'ayinku game da wannan batu na kiran hana zirga-zirgar jiragen sama a Ukraine?

YURI SHELIAZHENKO: To, shi ne ci gaba da wannan layi zuwa haɓaka, don shiga dukan yammacin duniya, da haɗin kai a fannin soja, don adawa da Rasha. Kuma Putin ya riga ya mayar da martani ga wannan da barazanar nukiliya, saboda ya fusata saboda ba shakka, yana jin tsoro, kamar yadda muke jin tsoro a yau a Kyiv, kuma yammacin duniya suna tsoron halin da ake ciki.

Yanzu yakamata mu nutsu. Ya kamata mu yi tunani a hankali. Ya kamata mu hada kai da gaske, amma kada mu hada kai don tada rikici mu ba da martanin soja. Ya kamata mu hada kai don neman warware rikici cikin lumana, tattaunawa tsakanin Putin da Zelensky, shugabannin Rasha da Ukraine, tsakanin Biden da Putin, tsakanin Amurka da Rasha. Tattaunawar zaman lafiya da abubuwa game da nan gaba sune mabuɗin, domin mutane suna fara yaƙi lokacin da suka rasa bege a nan gaba. Kuma a yau muna buƙatar rayayyun bege a nan gaba. Muna da al'adun zaman lafiya, waɗanda suka fara haɓaka a duk faɗin duniya. Kuma muna da tsohuwar al'adun tashin hankali, tashin hankali na tsari, tashin hankali na al'adu. Kuma, ba shakka, mafi yawan mutane ba wai suna ƙoƙarin zama mala’iku ne ko aljanu ba; suna ta yawo tsakanin al'adun zaman lafiya da al'adun tashin hankali.

AMY GOODMAN: Yurii, kafin mu tafi, kawai muna so mu tambaye ku, tun da kuna cikin Kyiv, ayarin sojoji suna kusa da Kyiv: Shin kuna shirin barin, kamar yadda yawancin 'yan Ukrain suka yi ƙoƙari su tafi kuma suka tafi, wani abu kamar kiyasin. rabin miliyan Ukrainians a kan iyakokin zuwa Poland, Romania da sauran wurare? Ko kana zaune?

YURI SHELIAZHENKO: Kamar yadda na fada, babu wata amintacciyar hanyar jin kai da Rasha da Ukraine suka amince don barin farar hula. Yana daga cikin gazawa a tattaunawar. Kuma kamar yadda na faɗa, gwamnatinmu tana ganin ya kamata dukan maza su shiga yaƙi, kuma suna keta haƙƙin ’yan Adam na ƙin shiga soja saboda imaninsu. Don haka, ba wata hanya ce ga masu fafutuka su gudu ba, kuma na zauna tare da Ukraine a nan, kuma ina fatan cewa wannan duniya mai cike da rudani, mai karfin soja ba za ta lalata Ukraine ba.

AMY GOODMAN: Yurii Sheliazhenko, muna son gode muku sosai don kasancewa tare da mu. Eh, maza masu shekaru 18 zuwa 60 ba a yarda su bar Ukraine ba. Yurii shi ne sakataren zartarwa na kungiyar Pacifist ta Ukraine, memban hukumar Tarayyar Turai don kin amincewa da lamiri, kuma memba a kwamitin gudanarwa a duniya. BABI Yaki da haɗin gwiwar bincike a KROK Jami'ar Kyiv, Ukraine.