U-Trump Admin Uyaqhubeka Nezinsongo Nokucasula INorth Korea, Ebeka Isisekelo Sempi Yenuzi

AMY U-GOODMAN: Lokhu Intando yeningi Manje!, democracynow.org, I-War and Peace Report. Ngingu-Amy Goodman, no-Nermeen Shaikh.

I-NERMEEN SHAIKH: Manje sesiphendukela eNyakatho Korea, lapho ukungezwani kusaqhubeka nokukhula ne-United States. Ohambweni oluthathe isonto lonke e-Asia, uNobhala Wezokuvikela uJames Mattis ugcizelele isinqumo sezokuxhumana mayelana nokungezwani phakathi kwala mazwe womabili, kodwa waxwayisa ngokuthi i-US ngeke iyamukele iNorth Korea yenuzi. Lona nguMattis ekhuluma ngoMgqibelo ngesikhathi enomhlangano nozakwabo waseNingizimu Korea, u-Song Young-moo, eSeoul.

QAPHELA ISOLEZWE JAMES MATTIS: Ungalenzi iphutha: Noma yikuphi ukuhlaselwa kwe-United States noma abalingani bethu kuzonqotshwa. Noma yikuphi ukusetshenziswa kwezikhali zenuzi yiNyakatho kuzohlangatshezwana nokusabela okukhulu kwezempi, okusebenzayo nokumangalisayo. ... Angikwazi ukucabanga ngesimo lapho i-United States ingamukela iNorth Korea njengamandla enuzi.

I-NERMEEN SHAIKH: UMattis ufike eSouth Korea ngoLwesihlanu ohambweni lwezinsuku ezimbili lokuya kuleliya lizwe, ngaphambi kokuvakasha kwakamuva kwaleli sonto esifundeni uDonald Trump. UTrump kulindeleke ukuthi avakashele eChina, Vietnam, Japan, Philippines naseSouth Korea ohambweni lwezinsuku eziyi-12. Izikhulu ze-White House zihlukene phakathi mayelana nokuthi uTrump kufanele yini avakashele i-Demilitarized Zone phakathi kweNyakatho neNingizimu phakathi nohambo, nokukhathazeka ngokuthi ukuvakasha kungase kubhebhethekise usongo lwempi yenuzi.

AMY U-GOODMAN: Ukushuba kwesimo phakathi kweNorth Korea ne-United States kuya ngokushuba ngemuva kochungechunge lokuhlolwa kwezikhali zenuzi nemicibisholo okwenziwa uPyongyang kanye nokujikijelana ngamazwi phakathi kukaTrump nomholi waseNyakatho Korea uKim Jong-un. UTrump usabise ngokubhubhisa yonke iNorth Korea, isizwe esinabantu abayizigidi ezingama-25. UTrump ubhale kuTwitter ngenyanga edlule, "Ngisanda kuzwa uNgqongqoshe Wezangaphandle waseNyakatho Korea ekhuluma e-UN Uma enanela imicabango ye-Little Rocket Man, ngeke babe khona isikhathi eside!" I-tweet kaTrump iza njengoba uNgqongqoshe Wezangaphandle waseNyakatho Korea u-Ri Yong-ho ethi uTrump "uphezu komkhankaso wokuzibulala." ICongressional Democrats icindezela umthetho ozovimbela uMongameli uTrump ukuthi ethule isiteleka sokuqala ngokumelene neNorth Korea.

Nokho, ukuze uthole okwengeziwe, sihlanganiswe uChristine Ahn, umsunguli kanye nomqondisi omkhulu we-Women Cross DMZ, inhlangano yomhlaba wonke yabesifazane egqugquzela ukuqeda iMpi YaseKorea. Ukhuluma nathi eseHawaii.

Christine, siyabonga ngokuhlanganyela nathi futhi Intando yeningi Manje! Ungakwazi yini ukukhuluma ngesiphetho salokhu kuvakasha kukaMattis kanye nokukhuphuka, futhi, ukungezwani kwe-US-North Korea kanye nalokho esingakulindela njengoba uMongameli Trump eya esifundeni ezinsukwini ezimbalwa?

Christine AHN: Sawubona, Amy.

Kubonakala sengathi isitatimende sikaMattis, ikakhulukazi ku- DMZ, ukuthi i-US ayifuni ukuya empini neNyakatho Korea, kwakuyisitatimende sokuqala ngaphambi kokuvakasha kukaTrump e-Asia, ikakhulukazi eNingizimu Korea, lapho abantu abaningi baseNingizimu Korea besaba uDonald Trump kunabo Kim Jong-un. Futhi, empeleni, kuhlelwa imibhikisho emikhulu. Kube nesikhumbuzo soguquko lokukhanyisa amakhandlela kule mpelasonto edlule, futhi izinhlangano zomphakathi ezingaphezu kuka-220 zamemezela ukuthi zizobamba imibhikisho emikhulu kusukela ngomhlaka-4 kuNovemba kuya kumhla ziyi-7 kulo lonke izwe, zingasho ukuthi ngeke kube nempi, ngeke kusaba nokuzivocavoca kwezempi, kumise ubuhlakani, obuthi ngokusobala isongela iningi labantu eNingizimu Korea kanye nabaningi abasenemindeni eNyakatho Korea. Ngakho-ke, ngicabanga ukuthi, uyazi, bekuwuhlobo lwesinyathelo esisebenzayo ukwehlisa abantu baseNingizimu Korea, ngoba, ngokusobala, uTrump uzongena enze izitatimende ezicasulayo. Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi lokho bekuyingxenye yesinyathelo sokwenza lokho.

Esingavamile ukukuzwa kwabezindaba, nokho, ukuthi i-US ithumele izithwali zezindiza zenuzi ezintathu ukuthi zimiswe eNhlonhlweni YaseKorea. Bebeqhuba izivivinyo zempi ezihlangene ezivusa inkanuko neSouth Korea, okuhlanganisa nama-Navy SEALs akhipha u-Osama bin Laden. Zihlanganisa iziteleka zokususa ikhanda. Futhi-ke, uyazi, kuyinto eyodwa ukusho ukuthi, "Asifuni impi neNyakatho Korea," futhi enye ukubeka izizathu zalokho. Futhi akuzona nje izenzo zezempi ezivusa inkanuko eziqhubekayo, kodwa izinsongo. Ngisho, siyaqhubeka nokuzwa izinsongo ezivela kuyo yonke iKhabhinethi likaTrump. UMike Pompeo, the CIA umqondisi, ushilo kwi-Defence Forum Foundation kuleli sonto eledlule ukuthi bekuqhubeka itulo lokubulala uKim Jong-un. U-HR McMaster uthe, uyazi, ukwamukela kanye nokuvimbela akuyona inketho. Futhi uTillerson ukushilo lokho, niyazi, sizokhuluma kuze kube kwehla ibhomu lokuqala. Ngakho-ke, uyazi, lokhu akumemi ngempela iNorth Korea ukuthi ibambe iqhaza ezingxoxweni, okuyinto edingekayo ngokushesha.

I-NERMEEN SHAIKH: Hhayi-ke, ungasho kancane, Christine, mayelana nokuthi iNorth Korea yasabela kanjani? Usanda kusho ukuthi iSouth Korea ne-US babambe izivivinyo zamasosha kamuva nje. Yathini impendulo yeNorth Korea kulezo zivivinyo? Futhi ingabe sikhona isizathu sokukholelwa ukuthi iNorth Korea isavulekele izingxoxo? Ngoba lokho akuwona umqondo esiwuthola lapha kwabezindaba.

Christine AHN: Nakanjani. Hhayi-ke, ngicabanga ukuthi kubalulekile ukuqaphela ukuthi asikaze sikubone ukuhlolwa kwemicibisholo noma ukuhlolwa kwenuzi cishe ezinsukwini ezingama-38 ukusuka ohlangothini lwaseNyakatho Korea. Angicabangi ukuthi lokho kusho ukuthi ngeke baqhubeke. Bakubeke kwacaca ukuthi basendleleni yokuzuza izikhali zenuzi—uyazi, i ICBM ezinganamathisela izikhali zenuzi, ezingahlasela i-United States. Futhi, niyazi, izilinganiso eziningi ziwukuthi kusekude nezinyanga ukwenza lokho.

Kepha, uyazi, angazi noma uyakhumbula, ngemuva kukaTrump, uyazi, "ibhubhise ngokuphelele iNorth Korea" inkulumo e-UN, ungqongqoshe wezangaphandle waseNyakatho Korea, uRi Yong-ho, ukusho lokho, uyazi-futhi nami ukuqagela ukuthi okwenzekile kwakuwukuthi, ngaleyo mpelasonto, i-US indize izindiza zempi ze-F-15 zawela umugqa osenyakatho emngceleni wasolwandle. Lokho kuwukwephula ngokuphelele, niyazi, isivumelwano sokuthi lowomugqa osenyakatho wawuyoba umugqa ongeke weqe ukuze kuvinjwe noma yiluphi uhlobo lwezimpi. Ngakho-ke, ekuphenduleni lokho, iNorth Korea ithe, "Sizoshaya futhi sehlise izindiza zase-US, noma zingekho endaweni yethu noma endaweni yethu, uyazi, indawo." Futhi-ke, uyazi, iNorth Korea ikwenze kwacaca ukuthi izoziphindiselela.

Futhi-ke, uma kubhekwa ukuthi azikho iziteshi, ngempela, iziteshi ezisemthethweni-kuneziteshi ezincane ezizimele ezibanjwayo, niyazi, izingxoxo ze-1.5 phakathi kwezikhulu zangaphambili zase-US nohulumeni waseNyakatho Korea. Azikho ngempela izingxoxo eziqhubekayo. Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi yileso simo esiyingozi esikuso, okungukuthi, uyazi, lapho ukuhlolwa okulandelayo kwaseNyakatho Korea kwenziwa, ingabe i-US izobe isilungele ukusishaya? Futhi ingabe lokho kungaba ukuqala kokukhuphuka okuyingozi kakhulu?

Eqinisweni, uyazi, i-Congressional Research Service isanda kukhipha umbiko ngoLwesihlanu. Bathe ezinsukwini ezimbalwa zokuqala kuzobulawa abantu abangu-330,000 25 ujuqu. Futhi lokho ukusebenzisa izikhali ezivamile. Futhi uma usufaka izikhali zenuzi, uyazi, balinganisela abantu abayizigidi ezingama-60. Ngiqonde ukuthi, ulilinganisela kanjani inani labantu, ikakhulukazi esifundeni lapho iJapan, iSouth Korea, iChina, iRussia, kanye neNorth Korea, ngokusobala, enezikhali zenuzi ezingafika ku-XNUMX?

AMY U-GOODMAN: UChristine-

Christine AHN: Ngakho-yebo?

AMY U-GOODMAN: Christine, sinemizuzwana engama-20 nje, kodwa kuthiwani ngale mpikiswano yokuthi uMongameli uTrump kufanele avakashele Indawo Engenamasosha? Ukubaluleka kwalokhu?

Christine AHN: Hhayi-ke, ngicabanga ukuthi akahlele ukuvakashela lapho. Ngicabanga ukuthi ngoba, uyazi, abaphathi bakhe bakhathazekile ngokuthi uzokwenza izitatimende ezivusa inkanuko ezingase zivuse abaseNyakatho Korea. Ngakho-ke, njengamanje ngicabanga ukuthi okubaluleke kakhulu ukuthi kunokugqugquzelwa kwabantu abasemazingeni aphansi ezweni lonke e-United States, imibhikisho emikhulu ihlelelwe uNovemba 11, ngoSuku lwe-Armistice, ngamaVeterans for Peace. Futhi-

AMY U-GOODMAN: Kuzofanele sikushiye lapho, Christine Ahn, kodwa sizokwenza Ingxenye 2 bese uyithumela ku-inthanethi ku-democracynow.org.