URoger Waters Ubuzwa Ngokujulile Mayelana ne-Ukraine, Russia, Israel, US

By I-Berliner Zeitung, Februwari 4, i-2023

Eyokuqala ekusixhumanisi esingenhla ingesiJalimane. Lokhu kuhumusha kunikezwe ku World BEYOND War nguRoger Waters.

URoger Waters angasho kufanele ukuthi ungungqondongqondo kuPink Floyd. Uqhamuke nomqondo futhi wabhala wonke amazwi omculo wobuciko othi “The Dark Side of the Moon”. Ubhale ama-albhamu athi “Animals”, “The Wall” kanye “The Final Cut” eyedwa. Ohambweni lwakhe lwamanje oluthi “This Is Not A Drill”, oza eJalimane ngoMeyi, ngakho-ke ufuna ukuveza lelo fa ngokwezinga elikhulu futhi adlale izingoma zesigaba sakudala sika-Pink Floyd. Inkinga: Ngenxa yezinkulumo eziyimpikiswano azenzile mayelana nempi yase-Ukraine nepolitiki yezwe lakwa-Israel, elinye lamakhonsathi akhe ePoland selihoxisiwe, kanti eJalimane izinhlangano zamaJuda nezamaKrestu zifuna okufanayo. Isikhathi sokukhuluma nalo mculi oneminyaka engu-79 ubudala: Usho ukuthini ngakho konke lokhu? Ingabe umane nje akaqondwa kahle - kufanele ahoxiswe amakhonsathi akhe? Ingabe kuyathetheleleka ukumkhipha engxoxweni? Noma ingabe umphakathi unenkinga yokuvimba abaphikisa njengoManzi engxoxweni?

Lo mculi wamukela izivakashi zakhe endaweni ahlala kuyo eningizimu yeNgilandi, enobungani, evulekile, engazithobi, kodwa ezimisele - yileyo ndlela azohlala ngayo kuyo yonke ingxoxo. Okokuqala, nokho, ufuna ukukhombisa okuthile okukhethekile: Esitudiyo sendlu yakhe, udlala amathrekhi amathathu avela ekurekhodwe kabusha okusha kwe-"The Dark Side of the Moon", egubha usuku lwayo lokuzalwa lwama-50 ngoMashi. Uthi: “Umqondo omusha uhloselwe ukukhombisa incazelo yomsebenzi, ukuveza inhliziyo nomphefumulo we-albhamu,” usho kanje, “ngokomculo nangokomoya. Yimina ngedwa ocula izingoma zami kulawa marekhodi amasha, azikho iziginci ezicula yedwa.”

Amagama akhulunywayo, agqitshwe ezicushweni zezinsimbi ezinjengokuthi “On The Run” noma “The Great Gig in the Sky” nangaphezulu kokuthi “Khuluma Nami”, “Ukulimala Kobuchopho” “Noma Yimuphi Umbala Owuthandayo Nemali” ehloselwe ukucacisa “i-mantra” yakhe. ”, umyalezo awubheka njengobalulekile kuwo wonke umsebenzi wakhe: “Umayelana nezwi lokucabanga. Futhi ithi: okubalulekile akuwona amandla amakhosi nabaholi bethu noma lokho okubizwa ngokuthi ukuxhumana kwabo noNkulunkulu. Okubaluleke kakhulu ukuxhumana phakathi kwethu njengabantu, umphakathi wonke wesintu. Thina bantu sihlakazeke umhlaba wonke – kodwa sihlobene ngoba sonke siphuma e-Afrika. Sonke singabafowethu nodadewethu, noma abazala abakude kakhulu, kodwa indlela esiphathana ngayo ibhidliza ikhaya lethu, iplanethi engumhlaba - ngokushesha kunalokho esingakucabanga.” Isibonelo, njengamanje, ngokuzumayo silapha ngo-2023 sibandakanyeka empini yommeleli yonyaka owodwa neRussia e-Ukraine. Kungani? Kulungile, umlando omncane, ngo-2004 uMongameli waseRussia u-Vladimir Putin welula isandla sakhe eNtshonalanga emzamweni wokwakha isakhiwo sokuthula eYurophu. Konke kukhona kurekhodi. Wachaza ukuthi izinhlelo zasentshonalanga zokumema isikhundla sikaMaidan sokuketula umbuso i-Ukraine ku-NATO zibeka usongo olungamukelekile ngokuphelele ku-The Russian Federation futhi zizowela umugqa obomvu wokugcina ongaphela ngempi, ngakho-ke sonke singangena etafuleni futhi sixoxisane ngekusasa elinokuthula. . Intuthuko yakhe yachithwa yi-US kanye nabalingani bayo be-NATO. Kusukela ngaleso sikhathi kuqhubeke njalo wasigcina isikhundla sakhe futhi i-NATO yasigcina esabo: “F… wena”. Futhi sesilapha.

Mnu Waters, ukhuluma ngezwi lokucabanga, lokuxhumana okujulile kwabo bonke abantu. Kodwa uma kuziwa empini yase-Ukraine, ukhuluma kakhulu ngamaphutha ase-US naseNtshonalanga, hhayi ngempi yaseRussia kanye nobudlova baseRussia. Kungani ungabhikishi ngokumelene nezenzo ezenziwa yiRussia? Ngiyazi ukuthi uxhase u-Pussy Riot nezinye izinhlangano zamalungelo abantu e-Russia. Kungani ungahlaseli uPutin?

Okokuqala, uma ufunda incwadi yami eya kuPutin kanye nemibhalo yami ekuqaleni kwempi ngoFebhuwari….

... umbize “ngesigebengu”…

… impela, ngikwenzile. Kodwa kungenzeka ukuthi ngishintshe umqondo wami kancane ngonyaka odlule. Kukhona i-podcast evela eCyprus ebizwa ngokuthi “The Duran”. Ababungazi bakhuluma isiRashiya futhi bangafunda izinkulumo zikaPutin ngokoqobo. Ukuphawula kwabo ngakho kunengqondo kimi. Isizathu esibaluleke kakhulu sokuhlinzeka ngezikhali e-Ukraine ngokuqinisekile inzuzo yemboni yezikhali. Futhi ngiyazibuza: ingabe uPutin ungumgulukudu omkhulu kunoJoe Biden nabo bonke abaphethe ezombusazwe zaseMelika kusukela ngeMpi Yezwe II? Angiqiniseki kangako. UPutin akazange ahlasele iVietnam noma i-Iraq? Ingabe wakwenza?

Isizathu esibaluleke kakhulu sokulethwa kwezikhali yilesi esilandelayo: Kuwukusekela i-Ukraine, ukunqoba impi kanye nokumisa udlame lwaseRussia. Ubonakala ubona ngenye indlela.

Yebo. Mhlawumbe akufanele ngibe, kodwa manje sengivuleleke kakhudlwana ukulalela lokho uPutin akushoyo ngempela. Ngokusho kwamazwi azimele ngilalela ubusa ngokucophelela, ethatha izinqumo ngezizathu zokuvumelana kuhulumeni waseRussian Federation. Kukhona nezihlakaniphi ezibucayi eRussia, ebezilokhu ziphikisana ne-imperialism yaseMelika kusukela ngeminyaka yawo-1950. Futhi ibinzana eliphakathi belilokhu lithi: I-Ukraine iwumugqa obomvu. Kufanele ihlale iyisimo sebhafa esingathathi hlangothi. Uma kungahlali kunjalo, asazi ukuthi kuzoholelaphi. Namanje asazi, kodwa kungase kuphele ngeMpi Yezwe Yesithathu.

NgoFebhuwari wonyaka odlule, nguPutin owanquma ukuhlasela.

Wethula lokho asakubiza ngokuthi “umsebenzi wezempi okhethekile”. Wayisungula ngesisekelo sezizathu zokuthi uma ngibaqonde kahle yilezi: 1. Sifuna ukumisa ukubulawa kwabantu abakhuluma isiRashiya baseDonbas. 2. Sifuna ukulwa nobuNazi e-Ukraine. Kunentombazane yase-Ukraine, u-Alina, engabhalelana nayo izincwadi ezinde: “Ngiyezwa. Ngiyabuqonda ubuhlungu bakho.” Wangiphendula, wabonga, kodwa wagcizelela, ngiyaqiniseka ukuthi unephutha ngento eyodwa, “Ngiqinisekile ukuthi awekho amaNazi e-Ukraine.” Ngaphendula futhi, “Ngiyaxolisa Alina, kodwa unephutha ngalokho. Ungahlala kanjani e-Ukraine futhi ungazi?"

Abukho ubufakazi bokuthi kube nokuqothulwa kohlanga e-Ukraine. Ngesikhathi esifanayo, u-Putin uye wagcizelela kaningi ukuthi ufuna ukubuyisela i-Ukraine embusweni wakhe. UPutin utshele owayenguShansela waseJalimane u-Angela Merkel ukuthi usuku oludabukisa kakhulu ekuphileni kwakhe kwakungu-1989, lapho iSoviet Union iwa.

Ingabe igama elithi umsuka “we-Ukraine” akulona igama lesiRashiya elisho “iBorderland”? Yayiyingxenye yeRussia neSoviet Union isikhathi eside. Umlando onzima. Phakathi neMpi Yezwe Yesibili, ngikholelwa ukuthi kwakunengxenye enkulu yabantu basentshonalanga ye-Ukraine abanquma ukusebenzisana namaNazi. Abulala amaJuda, amaRoma, amakhomanisi, nanoma ubani omunye uMbuso Wesithathu owawufuna ukufa. Kuze kube namuhla kukhona ukungqubuzana phakathi kweWestern Ukraine (With or without Nazis Alina) and Eastern The Donbas) and Southern (Crimea) Ukraine futhi baningi abantu base-Ukraine abakhuluma isiRashiya ngoba yayiyingxenye yeRussia amakhulu eminyaka. Ungayixazulula kanjani inkinga enjalo? Ngeke kwenziwe nguhulumeni waseKiev noma amaRussia awinile. UPutin ubelokhu egcizelela ukuthi akanandaba nokuthatha i-Ukraine entshonalanga - noma ukuhlasela iPoland nanoma yiliphi elinye izwe ngaphesheya komngcele. Akushoyo ukuthi: ufuna ukuvikela abantu abakhuluma isiRashiya kulezo zingxenye zase-Ukraine lapho abantu abakhuluma isiRashiya bezizwa besongelwa ohulumeni be-Maidan Coup Governments eKiev. Ukuketula umbuso okwamukelwa kabanzi njengokugqugquzelwa yi-US.

Sikhulume nabaningi base-Ukraine abangafakazela okuhlukile. Kungenzeka ukuthi i-US isize ukusekela imibhikisho yango-2014. Kodwa sekukonke, imithombo ehloniphekile kanye nama-akhawunti ofakazi bokuzibonela aphakamisa ukuthi imibhikisho yavela ngaphakathi - ngentando yabantu base-Ukraine.

Kazi yibaphi abantu base-Ukraine okhulume nabo? Ngingacabanga ukuthi abanye bakusho lokho. Ngakolunye uhlangothi lohlamvu lwemali iningi elikhulu labantu base-Ukrainian eCrimea kanye ne-Donbass avotele kunhlolovo ukuthi bajoyine kabusha i-Russian Federation.

NgoFebhuwari, wamangala ukuthi uPutin wahlasela i-Ukraine. Ungaqiniseka kanjani ukuthi ngeke aqhubekele phambili? Ukuthembela kwakho eRussia akubonakali kuphelile, naphezu kwempi yonya yaseRussia echitha igazi.

Ngingaqiniseka kanjani ukuthi i-US ngeke ibeke engcupheni yokuqala impi yenuzi neChina? Sebevele bacasula amaShayina ngokugxambukela eTaiwan. Bangathanda ukubhubhisa iRussia kuqala. Noma ubani one-IQ ngaphezu kwezinga lokushisa legumbi uyakuqonda lokho, lapho efunda izindaba, futhi abaseMelika bayakuvuma.

Ucasula abantu abaningi ngoba kuhlale kuzwakala sengathi uvikela uPhuthini.

Uma kuqhathaniswa neBiden, nginjalo. Ukucasulwa kwe-US/NATO ngaphambi kukaFebhuwari 2022 kwakudlulele futhi kulimaza kakhulu izintshisakalo zabo bonke abantu abavamile base-Europe.

Ubungeke udube iRussia?

Ngicabanga ukuthi kuyaphikisana. Uhlala e-Europe: Ibiza malini i-US ngokudiliva igesi? Imali ephindwe kahlanu kunaleyo ekhokhelwa izakhamuzi zakhona. ENgilandi, abantu manje bathi "yidla noma shisa" - ngoba izingxenye ezimpofu kakhulu azikwazi ukukwazi ukushisisa amakhaya abo. Ohulumeni baseNtshonalanga kufanele baqaphele ukuthi sonke singabafowethu nodadewethu. NgeMpi Yezwe Yesibili babona okwenzekayo lapho bezama ukulwa neRussia. Bazohlangana futhi balwe kuze kufike ku-ruble lokugcina kanye nemitha yesikwele yokugcina yomhlabathi ukuze bavikele izwe labo. Njenganoma ubani nje. Ngicabanga ukuthi uma i-US ingakwazi ukukholisa izakhamizi zayo kanye nawe nabanye abantu abaningi, ukuthi iRussia iyisitha sangempela, nokuthi uPutin unguHitler omusha bazoba nesikhathi esilula ukweba abampofu ukunikeza abacebile futhi baqale futhi. ukugqugquzela izimpi eziningi, njengale mpi yommeleli e-Ukraine. Mhlawumbe lokho kubonakala sengathi kuyisimo sezombusazwe esidlulele kini, kodwa mhlawumbe umlando engiwufundile nezindaba engiziqoqayo zihluke nje kini. Ngeke ukholwe yonke into oyibona kumabonakude noma oyifunda emaphepheni. Engizama ukukufeza ngokuqoshwa kwami ​​okusha, izitatimende zami kanye nemidlalo yami ukuthi abafowethu nodadewethu abaphethe banqande impi - nokuthi abantu bayaqonda ukuthi abafowethu nodadewethu baseRussia abaphili ngaphansi kobushiqela bengcindezelo, njengawe. ngenza eJalimane noma ngenza e-US. Ngiqonde ukuthi singakhetha ukuqhubeka nokuhlaba intsha yase-Ukraine namaRussia uma sinamandla okukumisa?

Singayenza le nhlolokhono, eRussia lokhu bekungeke kube lula kangako… Kodwa emuva e-Ukraine: Singaba yini isiphakamiso sakho sezepolitiki esiphikisayo senqubomgomo ephusile yase-Ukraine yaseNtshonalanga?

Kudingeka sibize bonke abaholi bethu etafuleni futhi sibaphoqe ukuthi bathi: “Akusenampi!”. Lokho kungaba iphuzu lapho inkhulumomphendvulwano ingaqala khona.

Ungacabanga uhlala eRussia?

Yebo, kunjalo, kungani kungenjalo? Kungaba okufanayo nangomakhelwane bami lapha eningizimu yeNgilandi. Singaya endaweni yokucima ukoma sikhulume ngokukhululekile - inqobo nje uma bengayi empini futhi babulale abantu baseMelika noma abase-Ukraine. Kulungile? Uma nje sizokwazi ukuhwebelana sodwa, sidayiselana igesi, senze isiqiniseko sokuthi siyafudumala ebusika, siyaphila. AmaRussia awehlukile kimi nawe: kukhona abantu abalungile futhi kukhona izilima - njengayo yonke indawo.

Pho kungani ungadlali izinhlelo eRussia?

Hhayi ngenxa yezizathu ezingokwengqondo. Akwenzeki okwamanje. Angiyidube iRussia, kungaba inhlekisa lokho. Ngidlala imidlalo engu-38 e-USA. Uma bengingaduba noma yiliphi izwe ngezizathu zezepolitiki, bekungaba yi-US. Bangabahlaseli abakhulu.

Uma umuntu ebheka ukungqubuzana ngokungathathi hlangothi, angabona uPutin njengomhlaseli. Ucabanga ukuthi sonke sihlakazwe ingqondo?

Yebo, ngiyakwenza ngempela. Ushilo ingqondo.

Ngoba sidla abezindaba basentshonalanga?

Impela. Lokho wonke umuntu waseNtshonalanga akutshelwayo ukulandisa “kokuhlasela okungaphekiwe”. Huh? Noma ubani onobuchopho obuyingxenye angabona ukuthi ingxabano e-Ukraine yacasulwa ngaphezu kwanoma yini enye. Cishe kuwukuhlasela okucasulwe kakhulu okwake kwenzeka.

Lapho amakhonsathi e-Poland ekhanselwa ngenxa yezitatimende zakho ngempi yase-Ukraine, ingabe wamane wazizwa ungaqondwa kahle?

Yebo. Lesi isinyathelo esikhulu sokuhlehla. Kuwukubonakaliswa kweRussophobia. Abantu basePoland ngokusobala basengozini efanayo enkulumweni-ze yaseNtshonalanga. Ngingathanda ukuthi kubo: Ningabafowethu nodadewethu, celani abaholi benu bamise impi ukuze sime kancane sicabange: “Imayelana nani le mpi?”. Imayelana nokwenza abacebile emazweni aseNtshonalanga bacebe kakhulu futhi abampofu yonke indawo babe mpofu nakakhulu. Okuphambene noRobin Hood. UJeff Bezos unemali elinganiselwa ku-200 billion dollars, kanti izinkulungwane zabantu eWashington DC zizodwa zihlala emabhokisini amakhadibhodi emgwaqeni.

Abantu base-Ukraine basukuma ukuze bavikele izwe labo. Abantu abaningi eJalimane bakubona kanjalo, yingakho izitatimende zakho zibanga ukuthukuthela, ngisho nentukuthelo. Imibono yakho ngo-Israyeli ihlangabezana nokugxekwa okufanayo lapha. Kungakho futhi manje sekunengxoxo mayelana nokuthi amakhonsathi enu eJalimane kufanele akhanselwe yini. Usabela kanjani kulokho?

O, uyazi, izishoshovu ze-Israel Lobby ezifana noMalca Goldstein-Wolf abafuna lokho. Yisilima leso. Sebevele bazama ukukhansela ikhonsathi yami e-Cologne ngo-2017 futhi bathola iziteshi zomsakazo zendawo ukuthi zijoyine.

Akulula yini ukubiza laba bantu njengezilima?

Yebo, akuzona zonke izilima. Kodwa mhlawumbe bafunda iBhayibheli futhi mhlawumbe bakholelwa ukuthi noma ubani okhuluma ngokumelene ne-Israel fascism eZweni Elingcwele uyi-anti-Semite. Lokho akusona isikhundla esihlakaniphile ongasithatha, ngoba ukwenza kanjalo kufanele uphike ukuthi abantu babehlala ePalestine ngaphambi kokuba ama-Israyeli azinze lapho. Kufanele ulandele inganekwane ethi, “Izwe elingenabantu labantu abangenamhlaba.” Umbhedo onjani. Umlando lapha ucacile. Kuze kube namuhla, abantu bomdabu, abangamaJuda bayidlanzana. Ama-Israyeli angamaJuda wonke asuka eMpumalanga Yurophu noma e-United States.

Wake waqhathanisa izwe lakwa-Israel neJalimane lamaNazi. Usamile kulokhu kuqhathanisa?

Yebo kunjalo. Ama-Israyeli enza ukubulawa kwabantu. Njengoba nje iGreat Britain yenza ngesikhathi sethu sobukoloni, ngendlela. Ngokwesibonelo, amaBrithani abulala abantu bomdabu baseNyakatho Melika. Kanjalo namaDashi, iSpanishi, amaPutukezi ngisho namaJalimane emakoloni awo. Zonke zaziyingxenye yokungabi nabulungisa kwenkathi yamakoloni. Futhi thina, amaNgisi siphinde sabulala futhi saphanga eNdiya, eNingizimu-mpumalanga Asia, eChina…. Sasikholelwa ukuthi siphakeme ngokwemvelo kunabantu bomdabu, njengoba nje kwenza ama-Israel ePalestine. Hhayi-ke, sasingewona futhi kanjalo namaJuda akwa-Israyeli.

Njengendoda eyiNgisi, unombono ohluke kakhulu ngomlando woMbuso wakwa-Israyeli kunathi thina maJalimane. EJalimane, ukugxekwa kuka-Israyeli kuphathwa ngokuqapha ngezizathu ezinhle; IGermany inesikweletu somlando okumele izwe lisiphile.

Ngikuqonda kahle lokho futhi sengineminyaka engu-20 ngizama ukubhekana nakho. Kodwa mina, isikweletu sakho, njengoba usho, umuzwa wakho wezwe wokuba necala ngalokho amaNazi akwenza phakathi kuka-1933 no-1945, akufanele udinge umphakathi wakho wonke ukuba uhambe ngokucwayiza ngo-Israyeli. Bekungeke yini kube ngcono uma kunalokho kukukhuthaza ukuba ulahle konke okucwayizayo futhi usekele amalungelo abantu alinganayo kubo bonke abafowenu nodadewenu emhlabeni wonke kungakhathaliseki ukuthi bangowaluphi uhlanga noma ubuzwe?

Ingabe uyalingabaza ilungelo lika-Israyeli lokuba khona?

Ngokubona kwami, i-Israel inelungelo lokuba khona inqobo nje uma kuyintando yeningi yeqiniso, inqobo nje uma lingekho iqembu, ngokwenkolo noma lobuhlanga, elijabulela amalungelo abantu ukwedlula noma yiliphi elinye. Kodwa ngeshwa yilokho kanye okwenzeka kwa-Israel nasePalestine. Uhulumeni uthi abantu abangamaJuda kuphela okufanele bathole amalungelo athile. Ngakho-ke ngeke kuchazwe njengentando yeningi. Bavuleleke kakhulu ngakho, kufakwe emthethweni wakwa-Israel. Manje sekunabantu abaningi eJalimane, futhi vele abantu abaningi abangamaJuda kwa-Israyeli, abavulekele ukulandisa okuhlukile ngo-Israyeli. Eminyakeni engamashumi amabili edlule, besingeke sibe nengxoxo ngoMbuso wakwa-Israel lapho kwakubalulwe khona amagama okuqothulwa kohlanga nobandlululo. Manje ngingasho ukuthi awukwazi ukuba naleyo ngxoxo ngaphandle kokusebenzisa lawo magama, ngoba achaza ngokunembile iqiniso elikhona endaweni okuhlalwa kuyo. Lokho ngikubona ngokucace kakhudlwana njengoba ngibe yingxenye yenhlangano ye-BDS (Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions against Israel, ed.).

Ucabanga ukuthi bangavumelana nawe lapha eNgilandi?

Ngeke ngikwazi ukusho ngokuqinisekile ngoba sekuphele iminyaka engu-20 ngingahlali lapha. Kuzofanele ngehlele eshibhini ngikhulume nabantu. Kodwa ngiyasola kakhulu ukuthi bazovumelana nami nsuku zonke. Nginabangane abaningi abangamaJuda - ngendlela - abavumelana nami ngenhliziyo yonke, okuyisizathu esisodwa esenza kube uhlanya ukuzama ukungidicilela phansi njengomuntu ozonda umJuda. Nginomngane oyedwa oseduze eNew York, okungenzeka ukuthi ungumJuda, owathi kimi ngolunye usuku, “Eminyakeni embalwa edlule, ngangicabanga ukuthi uyahlanya, ngacabanga ukuthi ulahlekelwe ngokuphelele. Manje ngiyabona ukuthi ubuqinisile esimweni sakho ngezinqubomgomo zezwe lakwa-Israyeli - futhi thina, umphakathi wamaJuda e-US, besinephutha. " Umngane wami waseNew York wayecindezelekile ngokusobala ekhuluma la mazwi, uyindoda elungile.

Izikhundla ze-BDS zigunyazwe yi-German Bundestag. Ukuphumelela kokunyakaza kwe-BDS ekugcineni kungasho ukuphela kwezwe lakwa-Israyeli. Ingabe ubona ngendlela ehlukile?

Yebo, u-Israyeli wayengayishintsha imithetho yakhe. Bangase bathi: Sishintshe umqondo, abantu bavunyelwe ukuba namalungelo ngisho noma bengewona amaJuda. Kungaba njalo, lapho-ke ngeke sisayidinga i-BDS.

Ingabe ulahlekelwe abangane ngoba usebenzela i-BDS?

Kuyathakazelisa ukuthi ubuza lokho. Angazi kahle, kodwa ngiyakungabaza kakhulu. Ubungane buyinto enamandla. Ngingathi nginabangane bangempela abangaba yishumi empilweni yami. Angikwazanga ukulahlekelwa umngane ngenxa yemibono yami yezepolitiki, ngoba abangani bayathandana - futhi ubungane buzala ukukhuluma, nokukhuluma kuveza ukuqonda. Uma umngane ubengathi, “Roger, ngikubone undiza ingulube evuthela umoya eneNkanyezi kaDavide kuyo phakathi namakhonsathi akho Odonga!”, Ngibachazela umongo nokuthi akukho okuphambene namaSemite okuhlosiwe noma okuveziwe.

Uyini-ke umongo?

Lokho kwakuphakathi kwengoma ethi “Goodbye Blue Sky” kuhlelo oluthi “The Wall”. Futhi ukuchaza umongo, ubona amabhomu e-B-52, esikrinini esiyindilinga ngemuva kwebhendi, kodwa awawawisi amabhomu, awisa izimpawu: Izimpawu zedola, iziphambano, i-Hammer kanye namaSickles, i-Star and Crescents, uphawu lwe-McDonalds - kanye neNkanyezi kaDavide. Lokhu ukubhuqa kweshashalazi, ukubonakaliswa kwenkolelo yami yokuthi ukudedela le mibono, noma imikhiqizo kubantu abaphansi, kuyisenzo sobudlova, okuphambene nobuntu, okuphambene nokudala uthando nokuthula phakathi kwethu bafowethu nodadewethu. Ngithi ezandleni ezingalungile yonke imibono emele lezi zimpawu ingaba yimbi.

Uyini umbono wakho? Ingabe uyi-anarchist - ngokumelene nanoma yiluphi uhlobo lwamandla abantu abawasebenzisayo phezu komunye nomunye?

Ngizibiza ngesazi sobuntu, isakhamuzi somhlaba. Futhi ukwethembeka nenhlonipho yami kungokwabo bonke abantu, kungakhathaliseki imvelaphi yabo, ubuzwe noma inkolo.

Usazokwenza kwa-Israyeli namuhla uma bekuvumela na?

Cha, akunjalo. Lokho kungaba ukweqa umugqa wokuqopha. Sekuyiminyaka ngibhalela ozakwethu embonini yomculo izincwadi ukuze ngizame ukubancenga ukuthi bangaculi kwa-Israel. Kwesinye isikhathi abavumelani, bathi, "Kodwa lena yindlela yokwenza ukuthula, kufanele siye lapho futhi sizame ukubakholisa ukuthi benze ukuthula" Well sonke sinelungelo lombono wethu, kodwa ngo-2005 yonke i-Palestinian Civil Society yangibuza. ukubona ukuduba kwamasiko, futhi ngingubani mina ukuthi ngingatshela wonke umphakathi ophila ngaphansi komsebenzi ononya engiwazi kangcono kunabo.

Kuyacasula ukusho ukuthi uzodlala eMoscow kodwa hhayi kwa-Israel.

Kuyathakazelisa ukuthi usho ukuthi njengoba iMoscow ingasiphethe umbuso wobandlululo ngokusekelwe ekubulaweni kwabantu bomdabu.

ERussia, izinhlanga ezincane zibandlululwa kakhulu. Phakathi kwezinye izinto, abantu abaningi abangewona amaRussia abathunyelwa empini kunabaseRussia bohlanga.

Ubonakala ungicela ukuthi ngibone iRussia ngombono wamanje we-Russo phobic. Ngikhetha ukukubona ngendlela ehlukile, nakuba ngishilo ukuthi angikhulumi isiRashiya noma ngihlala eRussia ngakho ngikwelinye izwe.

Uthanda kanjani ukuthi u-Pink Floyd uqophe isiqephu esisha okokuqala ngqa eminyakeni engu-30 - nomculi wase-Ukraine u-Andrij Chlywnjuk?

Ngiyibonile ividiyo futhi angimangali, kodwa ngiyithola ibuhlungu ngempela. Kuyinto engaziwa kimi, lesi senzo sishoda kakhulu ebuntwini. Ikhuthaza ukuqhubeka kwempi. I-Pink Floyd yigama engangijwayele ukuhlotshaniswa nalo. Leso kwaba isikhathi esikhulu empilweni yami, into enkulu kakhulu. Ukuhlobanisa lelo gama manje nento efana nale... impi yommeleli ingiphatha kabi. Ngiqonde ukuthi, abakaphumeleli ekufuneni ukuthi, “Yekisani impi, yekani ukubulalana, hlanganisani abaholi bethu sikhulume!” Ilokhu kusakazwa okuncane kokuqukethwe kwefulegi eliluhlaza okwesibhakabhaka neliphuzi. Ngabhala kwenye yezincwadi zami ku-Alina osemusha wase-Ukraine: Ngeke ngiphakamise ifulegi kule ngxabano, hhayi ifulegi lase-Ukraine, hhayi ifulegi laseRussia, hhayi ifulegi lase-US.

Ngemva kokuwa Kodonga, wenze “Udonga” e-Berlin ehlanganisiwe, ngokuqinisekile ngokulindelekile kwekusasa. Ubucabanga ukuthi nawe ungafaka isandla kuleli kusasa ngobuciko bakho, wenze umehluko?

Yebo, ngiyakukholwa lokho kuze kube namuhla. Uma unezimiso zezombusazwe futhi ungumdwebi, khona-ke lezi zindawo ezimbili zihlangene ngokungenakuhlukaniswa. Yingakho nje ngishiye u-Pink Floyd: Nganginalezo zimiso, ezinye zazingenazo noma zazingenazo ezihlukile.

Ngabe usuzibona usulingana nomculi nesishoshovu sepolitiki?

Yebo, ngezinye izikhathi ngincika komunye, ngezinye izikhathi kwenye.

Ingabe ukuvakasha kwakho kwamanje kuzoba ukuvakasha kwakho kokugcina ngempela?

(Ehleka kancane) Angazi. Uhambo lunesihloko esingezansi esithi “The First Farewell Tour” futhi lokho kuyihlaya elisobala ngoba izihlabani ze-rock ezindala zisebenzisa iFarewell Tour njengethuluzi lokuthengisa. Bese ngezinye izikhathi bathathe umhlalaphansi futhi ngezinye izikhathi baye kwenye i-Final Farewell Tour, konke kuhle.

Ufuna ukuqhubeka nokuthumela okuthile emhlabeni, wenze umehluko?

Ngiyawuthanda umculo omnandi, ngithanda izincwadi ezinhle - ikakhulukazi isiNgisi nesiRashiya, kanye nesiJalimane. Yingakho ngithanda umbono wokuthi abantu baqaphele futhi baqonde engikwenzayo.

Pho kungani ungazigodli ngezitatimende zepolitiki?

Ngoba ngiyilokhu engiyikho. Ukube bengingeyena lo muntu onezinkolelo eziqinile zezombangazwe, ngabe angizange ngibhale “Uhlangothi Olumnyama Lwenyanga”, “Udonga”, “Ngifisa Ukuba Ube Lapha”, “Ujatshuliswe Ukufa” kanye nazo zonke ezinye izinto. .

Ngiyabonga kakhulu ngengxoxo.