Ukudweba ekuvakasheni kwakhe okucishe kube ngu-30 e-Afghanistan, isishoshovu sempi uKathy Kelly uxoxa ngesidingo sozwela nokuziphindiselela.
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Kuleli sonto, uMichael Nagler noStephanie Van Hook bakhulume noKathy Kelly, isishoshovu sokulwa nobudlova impilo yonke, umqambimunye weVoices for Creative Nonviolence nomxhumanisi woMkhankaso weBan Killer Drones. Uxoxa ngokuhlangenwe nakho kwakhe okunzulu nangemicabango nge-Afghanistan. Ukungenelela kwaseMelika, ukholelwa ukuthi, futhi - kuyaqhubeka - bekukhohlisiwe ngokuphelele, kukhula kunokuba kuxazululwe izingxabano ezinobudlova lapho. Unikeza iseluleko esisebenzisekayo nesicacile sokuthi yikuphi ukubandakanyeka okuhle nokukhiqizayo okungabandakanya, futhi unikeza nezindlela eziqinile esingazibandakanya nazo. Ubuye asicindezele ukuthi siphinde sicabangele imibono yethu ebesivele sinayo, mayelana namaTaliban nathi uqobo; ngokwenza njalo singaqala ukuzwelana, siphinde senze ubuntu futhi singesabi:
Okokuqala, ngicabanga ukuthi sidinga ukwenza lokho wena noMichael enikukhuthaze eMetta Center isikhathi eside. Kufanele sithole isibindi sokulawula ukwesaba kwethu. Kufanele sibe ngumphakathi ongashaywanga kangako ngenxa yokwesaba leli qembu, ukulisaba lelo qembu, ukuthi sizoqhubeka nokuzikhandla ukuze siqede lelo qembu ukuze singasabi futhi. Yinto eyodwa leyo. Ngicabanga ukuthi kubaluleke kakhulu ukuqhubeka nokwakha umuzwa wethu wokulawula ukwesaba kwethu.
Into yesibili, empeleni, ukwazi abantu abaphethe imiphumela yezimpi zethu kanye nokufuduka kwethu… Abangane bami abasebasha e-Afghanistan babeyizifanekiselo zabantu ababefuna ukufinyelela kubantu ngakolunye uhlangothi loqhekeko. Bakhulume ngomhlaba ongenamngcele. Babefuna ukuba namaphrojekthi wezinhlanga ezahlukahlukene.
Kuphela lapho sibheka ngempela i-Afghanistan, lapho siyibona nabantu bayo kuyo yonke inkimbinkimbi yabo ecebile lapho singathola ukuqonda okungcono kwalokho abakufunayo nabakudingayo. Kuphela ngokulalela ngenkuthalo abantu noma amaqembu aphansi lapho sizofunda ukuthi singakwazi kanjani ukuhlanganyela nabo ekutholeni izindlela zokuxazulula izingxabano nokwakha kabusha. Futhi konke lokhu kuncike ekuzinikeleni okuqinile kokungabi nodlame, ukuthobeka kwangempela nokuzindla okuthembekile:
… Ukungabi nodlame kungamandla eqiniso. Kufanele sikhulume iqiniso futhi sizibuke esibukweni. Futhi lokhu engisanda kukusho kunzima ngempela ukubheka. Kepha ngicabanga ukuthi kuyadingeka ukuqonda kangcono ukuthi singobani nokuthi singasho kanjani ukuthi, “Siyaxolisa. Siyaxolisa kakhulu, ”futhi wenze izinhlawulo ezithi ngeke sikwenze lokhu.
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UStephanie: Yamukela wonke umuntu kumsakazo we-Nonviolence Radio. NginguStephanie Van Hook, futhi ngilapha estudiyo nozakwethu engibambisene naye futhi umsiki wezindaba, uMichael Nagler. Sawubona, Michael. Ngiyabonga ngokuba sesitudiyo nami namuhla.
UMichael: Sawubona, uStephanie. Bekungeke kube enye indawo namhlanje ekuseni.
UStephanie: Ngakho-ke, namuhla sinathi Kathy Kelly. Kulabo kini abasenhlanganweni yokuthula, empeleni akadingi singeniso. Umuntu onikele ngokuphelele impilo yakhe ekuqedeni impi nodlame. Ungomunye wamalungu asungula amaVoices ehlane, kamuva abizwa ngokuthi Amazwi we-Creative Nonviolence, eyavala umkhankaso wayo ngo-2020 ngenxa yobunzima bokuhambela izindawo zempi. Sizozwa okuningi ngalokho. Ungumxhumanisi we- Umkhankaso weBan Killer Drones, nesishoshovu esine World Beyond War.
Sinaye namhlanje kwiNonviolence Radio ukukhuluma nge-Afghanistan. Ube lapho cishe izikhathi ezingama-30. Futhi njengomuntu ongumMelika ozinikele ekuqedeni impi, ukuzwa ngamava akhe nokuthi kwenzekani lapho manje ngombono wakhe kuzosiza kakhulu njengoba siqhubeka futhi sijulisa izingxoxo zethu nge-Afghanistan ezisematheni namuhla.
Ngakho-ke, wamukelekile ku-Nonviolence Radio, uKathy Kelly.
UKathy: Ngiyabonga, uStephanie noMichael. Kuhlale kuyinto eqinisekisayo ukwazi ukuthi nobabili niyasebenza njengoba nenza ukukhuthaza ukungabi nodlame nokuzama ukuqonda kangcono imiphumela yezimpi zethu.
UMichael: Yebo, kuvela kuwe, Kathy, lokho kuqinisekisa kakhulu. Ngiyabonga.
UStephanie: Kathy, uzithola ukuphi namuhla? Ingabe useChicago?
UKathy: Ngisendaweni yaseChicago. Futhi ngandlela thile, inhliziyo yami nengqondo yami kuvame - ngokusebenzisa i-imeyili kanye nemithombo yezokuxhumana, nge - oh, ngicabanga ukuthi bangamahlanu abantu abasha base-Afghani engangibe nenhlanhla yokwazi ngokuvakashela e-Afghanistan. Zonke zisezimeni eziyingozi impela, futhi ezinye zikhona kakhulu kunezinye. Futhi ngicabanga kakhulu ngokuthi yini engaqala nokuba yindlela engenabudlova eya phambili kubo.
UStephanie: Hhayi-ke, ake sigxumele ngqo kulokho-ke, uKathy. Ungakhuluma ngokwenzeka enhliziyweni nasengqondweni yakho, kwenzakalani ngokubuka kwakho?
UKathy: Ngizwa usizi olukhulu nokuzisola okukhulu. Ngisho, ngiphila ngokunethezeka nokuvikeleka, leyo ngozi emsulwa yokuzalwa, kepha nokho ngihlala ezweni lapho ukunethezeka nokuphepha kwethu okuningi kunikwe amandla ngumnotho umnotho wawo othengisa kakhulu izikhali. Futhi senza kanjani ukuthi lezozikhali zimakethwe futhi zithengiswe futhi zisetshenziswe, bese sidayisa ngaphezulu? Kufanele sikhangise izimpi zethu.
Futhi, uyazi, umqondo wokuthi abantu abaningi, ngenkathi bekhohlwa kakhulu nge-Afghanistan, ngabe, uma bengakucabanga - futhi angisho ukuthi lokhu kuzwakala kungokwahlulela - kepha abantu abaningi baseMelika bacabanga, “Awu, aren ' asikwazi ukusiza abesifazane nezingane laphaya? ” Futhi lokho kwakungelona iqiniso ngempela. Kwakukhona abanye besifazane abazuza, ngokungangabazeki, ezindaweni ezisemadolobheni. Kepha uyazi, kufanele sizibuze, yini if i-United States yayingazinikele ekwakheni izisekelo ezingama-500 kulo lonke elase-Afghanistan? Kuthiwani uma besingagcwalisanga izindawo ezizungeze lezo zisekelo - futhi empeleni kulo lonke izwe - ngezikhali zethu? Kuthiwani uma umthetho esilahle kuwo ngamabhomu amaningi, amaningi, futhi amaningi angarekhodwanga ngokuphelele ngoba impi ye-drone ayenzanga - i-CIA namanye amaqembu bekungadingeki ukuthi bagcine uhlu lokuthi bangobani ababaqhumisa ngamabhomu.
Uyazi, kuthiwani uma i-United States ibigxile ngokuphelele emandleni ayo nasezinsizakalweni zayo ekutholeni ukuthi ama-Afghani adingani bese ngokuqinisekile esiza ukuvuselela ingqalasizinda yezolimo ngoba wonke umuntu udinga ukudla. Ngakho-ke, konke lokho-uma kufika engqondweni, nokuzizwa uzisola.
Ngikhunjuzwa kakhulu isihloko ukuthi Erica Chenoweth, UDkt Erica Chenoweth - ngesikhathi ayeseColorado, futhi UDkt Hakim, umeluleki weqembu lalaba bangane abasha base-Afghanistan. Asisababizi ngisho amagama abo. Sekuyingozi kakhulu kubo.
Bobabili babhala ukuthi kwesinye isikhathi isenzo esingenalo udlame umuntu angasithatha esimweni esinobudlova obukhulu is ukubaleka. Futhi-ke, ngiqonde ukuthi, nje namhlanje ekuseni, umuntu ongumbonisi omuhle - sesimazi isikhathi eside e-Afghanistan. Nangempela wasebenza nohulumeni njengosizo lwelungu lephalamende.
Uthe uyabona ukuthi impi iyeza. Kunempi eningi phakathi kwalezi zinhlaka ezahlukahlukene. Futhi-ke, wenzani? Yebo, baningi asebeshilo, “Ngifuna ukuphuma,” ukuze baphephe bona, kepha futhi ngoba abafuni ukucosha izibhamu. Abafuni ukulwa. Abafuni ukuqhubeka nemijikelezo yokuziphindiselela nokuziphindiselela.
Futhi-ke, kulabo abalekele ezindaweni ezinjengePakistan, abasaphephile ngempela. Ngizizwa ngohlobo oluthile - angikwazi ukuzibamba kodwa ngizwe ukukhululeka okuthile. “Nokho, okungenani uphumile engozini.” Futhi-ke lapha sise-United States lapho amadola ethu entela axhasa khona konke lokhu kuxokozela nokuxokozela eminyakeni eminingi, eminingi eyadalwa amaqembu alwayo. Futhi i-United States iyithende elihle kakhulu. Futhi nokho, asizizwa sivevezela ngempela. Noma kunjalo, yilokho obekusemqondweni wami. Siyabonga ngokubuza.
UMichael: Wamukelekile kakhulu, Kathy. Nginemicabango emibili ngokuphendula lokhu osanda kwabelana ngakho. Enye into yakamuva oyishilo, futhi ngikugembula ukuthi mhlawumbe uyavumelana nami - ngibheja ezingeni elithile lengqondo yethu ebumbene nengqondo yethu, lokho akulona iqiniso ngokuphelele ukuthi asizukuthola izikhala. Uyazi, kukhona into efana nokulimala kokuziphatha. Lokhu ukulimala abantu abazibangela bona ngokulimaza abanye, okubhalisa ekujuleni kwezingqondo zabo.
Into engeyinhle ngakho - futhi lokhu mhlawumbe lapho singathola khona usizo - abantu abawaxhumi amachashazi. Uyazi, umfana ungena esitolo sokudla eTennessee bese edubula bonke laba bantu. Futhi asikubeki ngakunye lokho, niyazi, sisekele le nqubomgomo yokuthi udlame luzoqeda udlame. Asazi ukuthi sithumela umlayezo osilimazayo ezweni lethu lasekhaya.
Ngakho-ke, ngicabanga ukuthi lolo hlobo lwangifaka kwelinye iphuzu eliyinhloko futhi, okungukuthi - engangikulokhu ngikuzwa kuyisimiso esiyinhloko - ukuthi kunamandla amabili emhlabeni: amandla obudlova namandla obudlova. Futhi amandla obudlova azojwayela ukudlulisela ukunaka kwakho emishini kunasebantwini. Yilokho ebengikuzwa.
UKathy: Yebo, kunaleyo mfuneko cishe yokuthi ungamboni umuntu lapho ukhomba umuntu ngenhlamvu noma ngesikhali.
Uyazi, into efika engqondweni, uMichael, ukuthi uThimothy McVeigh, owayeyisosha e-Iraq wayesanda kuba ngumuntu - uyazi, wayeyingane ekhulela endaweni encane. Angazi kahle ukuthi wakhulela kuphi ngempela. Ngicabanga ukuthi kungenzeka ukuthi kwakusePennsylvania.
Kepha noma kunjalo, wayengumuntu omuhle kakhulu, njengoba besho, umaka. Ubengashaya ilitshe ngempela, kahle impela. Ngokuhlosiwe okuzivelelayo, uthole amamaki aphakeme kakhulu. Ngakho-ke, ngenkathi ese-Iraq, ekuqaleni wabhalela u-anti wakhe incwadi, futhi lokhu kuyicaphuna ngqo, "Ukubulala ama-Iraq kwakunzima kakhulu ekuqaleni. Kodwa ngemuva kwesikhashana, kwaba lula ukubulala abantu base-Iraq. ”
UTimothy McVeigh ube ngumuntu owalayisha, ngiyakholwa, iloli elineziqhumane futhi wahlasela i-Oklahoma Federal Building. Futhi ngangihlala ngicabanga ukuthi ngubani oqeqeshiwe, ngubani ofundise uTimothy McVeigh ukuthi akholelwe ukuthi ukubulala abantu kungaba lula? NoTimothy McVeigh wajeziswa, impela. Kodwa uqinisile. Sizijezisile.
Futhi manje sesinenani elikhulu kakhulu labantu abasha abachitha amahora amaningi bedlala imidlalo yevidiyo futhi bekhomba ama-blobs, uyazi, ama-blobs esikrinini. Ngemuva kwalokho UDaniel Hale ikhipha imibhalo yangempela. Wakwenza ngesibindi lokho. Wayengumhlaziyi waseMelika e-Afghanistan, futhi kamuva wasebenzela enye yezinkampani zonogada.
Wabona ngemibhalo yase-US ukuthi bazidalile, amahlandla ayisishiyagalolunye kokuyishumi ngesikhathi sokusebenza kwezinyanga ezinhlanu ayeyingxenye yakhona, inhloso leyo kwatholakala ukuthi kwakungeyona eyomphakathi. Hhayi lo muntu ababecabanga ukuthi unguye. Futhi-ke ukhipha imininingwane. Manje udonsa izinyanga ezingama-45 ejele - iminyaka ejele.
Futhi-ke, kwaba yini ukuhlaselwa kokugcina kwe-US, kubonakala sengathi, eKabul? Empeleni kungenzeka ukuthi akuyona eyokugcina. Kwakhethwa owesilisa njengelitshe. Igama lakhe kwakungu UZemari Ahmadi, futhi wayengubaba wezingane eziningana. Wayehlala enkomponi nabafowabo ababili nomndeni wabo. Wayelokhu ezungeza iKabul ezoshiya abantu - ngoba wayenemoto, futhi wayengabasiza ngalolo thando futhi acoshe amathini amanzi emndenini wakhe futhi aqedele imisebenzi yomzuzu wokugcina ngoba wayesekhethiwe vele ukuthola eyodwa lawa ma-visa akhethekile okufika kuleli eza e-United States.
Umndeni ubuphethe izikhwama zawo. Futhi ngandlela thile, ngenxa yokuthi wayeshayela iCorolla emhlophe, abasebenza ngemishini yezindiza yaseMelika nabeluleki babo bacabanga, “Lo mfana ucosha iziqhumane. Uye ezweni lamaSulumane esifundazweni saseKhorasan indlu ephephile. Uzobuyela kokunye ukuthengiselana enkomponi ehlobene nabo. Ngemuva kwalokho angahle aye esikhumulweni sezindiza ahlasele abantu. ”
Beza nale fantasy. Akukho okwakuyiqiniso. Ngoba konke abakubona ngempela emifanekisweni yabo yedrone, imidwebo yekhamera, kungama-blobs nobukhulu obuyindida. Futhi-ke, babe sebedubula amabhomu, becabanga ukuthi kukhona lo mfana nalo muntu akhuluma naye kuphela. Futhi u-Ahmed Zemari wayenesiko, lapho ayedonsela khona imoto emgwaqeni - futhi empeleni, ukuba nemoto e-Afghanistan endaweni yabasebenzi kuyinkinga enkulu.
Lapho eyidonsela emgwaqweni, wayevumela indodana yakhe endala ukuthi ipake. Zonke izingane ezincane zazizongena emotweni. Kwakuyinto nje abayenzayo. Futhi-ke, leyo bekuyinto yokugcina abayenzile. Izingane eziyisikhombisa. Abathathu babo abangaphansi kweminyaka emihlanu. Abanye, abasebasha abane. Intsha esencane yonke yabulawa.
Manje, kwakukhulunywa ngakho lokho. Kwakunezintatheli eziningi kakhulu ezazingafika kusayithi zixoxe nabasindile. Kepha leyo nto ibisanda kwenzeka emasontweni amabili edlule. Okunye ukuhlaselwa emoyeni kwaseMelika kuqede umtholampilo nesikole samabanga aphezulu eKandahar eLashkargah. Lolu hlobo lwezinto luqhubeka njalo.
Futhi manje, manje i-Air Force, i-US Air Force ifuna amaRandi ayizigidi eziyizinkulungwane ezingama- $ 10 ukuze iqhubeke nokuhlasela kwabo, abakubiza ngokuthi yi “Over the Horizon” yokulwa ne-Afghanistan. Kepha ngubani owaziyo ngalokhu? Uyazi, bambalwa kakhulu abantu, engicabanga ukuthi, abangabona iphethini ebilokhu iqhubeka kusukela lapho - ngizihlalela kuphela ngosuku lwangonyaka ka-2010 uqobo. Nginesiqiniseko sokuthi kwenzeka ngaphambi kwalokho.
Kepha iphethini ukuthi ukuhlaselwa kuyenzeka, noma ngabe kuhlaselwa nge-drone noma kuhlasela ebusuku, bese kuvela ukuthi "bathole umuntu ongafanele." Ngakho-ke, umbutho wezempi, uma ungaze uqaphele, uzothembisa, "Sizokuphenya lokho." Futhi-ke, uma ingazishiyi izindaba, uma ingagcini nje ngokuhwamuka njengendaba. Uma kuvela amaqiniso, “Yebo, nibulale izakhamizi. Lokhu kungaba ubugebengu bempi. ” Ngemuva kwalokho othile uthatha ukuwa.
Kulesi simo sakamuva kakhulu, kudingeke ukuthi baye phezulu, kusho uGeneral Lloyd Austin, "Senze iphutha." UGeneral MacKenzie uthe, "Yebo, senze iphutha." UGeneral Donahue uthe, "Yebo, senze iphutha." Kodwa sidinga okungaphezu kokuxolisa. Sidinga isiqiniseko sokuthi iMelika izoyeka ukuqhubeka nale nqubomgomo yokubulala nokuchitheka kwegazi nokuhlukunyezwa nokubhujiswa.
Sifanele ukubona izinhlawulo, hhayi kuphela ukukhokhelwa kwezezimali, kepha futhi nezinxephezelo eziqeda lezi zinhlelo ezingalungile nezinonya.
UStephanie: Kathy, ucabanga ukuthi abantu kufanele benze kanjani ngalezo zinhlawulo, kufaka phakathi ukubuyiselwa kwemali? Futhi amaTaliban adlala kanjani kulokho? Ngabe usizo lungafika kanjani kubantu? Ungakhuluma nalokho?
UKathy: Okokuqala, ngicabanga ukuthi sidinga ukwenza lokho wena noMichael enikukhuthaze eMetta Center isikhathi eside. Kufanele sithole isibindi sokulawula ukwesaba kwethu. Kufanele sibe ngumphakathi ongashaywanga kangako ngenxa yokwesaba leli qembu, ukulisaba lelo qembu, ukuthi sizoqhubeka nokuzikhandla ukuze siqede lelo qembu ukuze singasabi futhi. Yinto eyodwa leyo.Ngicabanga ukuthi kubaluleke kakhulu ukuqhubeka nokwakha umuzwa wethu wokulawula ukwesaba kwethu.
Into yesibili, empeleni, ukwazi abantu abathwala imiphumela yezimpi zethu nokufuduka kwethu. Ngicabanga Sherri Maurin eSan Francisco nase Izinsuku Zomhlaba Zokulalela isuselwe e-Olympia, Washington ngezinye izindlela. Kepha njalo ngenyanga, iminyaka neminyaka - iminyaka eyishumi ngihlele ucingo ukuze abantu abasha e-Afghanistan bakwazi ukuxhumana nabantu abathandeka kakhulu emhlabeni wonke, kubandakanya nobabili kwesinye isikhathi.
Ngicabanga ukuthi kubalulekile. Futhi uSherri nabanye manje basebenza kanjalo, kunzima kakhulu ukusiza abantu abasha ukuthi bagcwalise izicelo zama-visa futhi bazame ukuthola izindlela zokuxhasa kakhulu abantu abafuna ukwenza lendiza - okungukuthi, ngicabanga, ngandlela thile kuphela noma into enkulu engenalo udlame ukuyenza.
Ngakho-ke, into eyodwa abantu abangayenza ukuxhumana noSherri Maurin endaweni yangakini noma ukuhlala uxhumene. Ngijabule impela ukusiza noma ngubani onobungani, abe ngumngane womunye wabantu abadinga usizo. Amafomu ayinkimbinkimbi, futhi kunzima ukuwathola. Izidingo zishintsha ngaso sonke isikhathi. Ngakho-ke, yinto eyodwa leyo.
Lapho-ke maqondana nokuthi kungaba khona noma cha ukubakhona kokugcinwa kokuthula e-Afghanistan, kukhona indoda egama layo UDkt Zaher Wahab. Ungumuntu wase-Afghan futhi ufundise iminyaka eminingi, eminingi emanyuvesi ase-Afghan, kepha naseLewis & Clark University ePortland. Ucabanga ngaphandle kwebhokisi. Usebenzisa umcabango wakhe, bese ethi, “Kungani? Kungani ungahloseli ukuba khona kokugcinwa kokuthula kweZizwe Ezihlangene? Esizosiza ukugcina uhlobo oluthile lwe ukuvikelwa nokuhleleka. ” Manje, ngabe amaTaliban ngabe angakwamukela lokho? Kusobala, kuze kube manje, amaTaliban asebenzisa indlela yawo yokunqoba, ngicabanga, ukuthi, "Cha, akudingeki ukuthi silalele lokho okushiwo abantu bamazwe omhlaba."
Kunzima ngoba angifuni ukuncoma, awu, bese ubashaya ngomnotho, ngoba ngicabanga ukuthi lokho kuzothinta abantu abampofu kwezomnotho. Izijeziso zihlala zikwenza lokho. Bafaka abantu abasengozini enkulu emphakathini, futhi angicabangi ukuthi bazoshaya izikhulu zeTaliban. Futhi, uyazi, bangakhuphula imali ngokukhokhisa intela kuyo yonke imoto eyodwa eyeqa noma iyiphi yemingcele ehlukahlukene.
Ngisho, banezikhali eziningi asebenazo ngoba bazithathe ezindaweni zase-US nakwezinye izindawo ababezishiye ngemuva. Ngakho-ke, angincomi unswinyo lwezomnotho. Kepha ngicabanga ukuthi kufanele kwenziwe yonke imizamo yokunikeza izaqathe ukusho kumaTaliban ukuthi, “Bheka, qala ukuhlonipha amalungelo abantu futhi ufundise abantu bakho ukusebenzisa ezinye izindlela ngaphandle kokushaya abantu abanegazi ngezintambo zikagesi. Fundisa abantu bakho ukwamukela ukuthi kufanele ube nabesifazane kuyo yonke imikhakha emphakathini uma uzothuthuka. ” Qala ukufundisa lokho.
Futhi kungaba yini izaqathe? Uyazi, i-Afghanistan isenkingeni yokuwa kwezomnotho futhi ibhekene nenhlekelele esondelayo kwezomnotho. Futhi basegagasini lesine le-COVID, ngohlelo lwezokwelapha olushayeke kabi ezweni lonke. Futhi banesomiso okungenani ezifundazweni ezingama-24 kwezingama-34.
Ukwazi ukugibela ujikeleze elolini bese uphawula izikhali zakho akukuniki amandla okubhekana nalezo zinhlobo zezinkinga ngokungangabazeki ezizokwandisa ukukhungatheka kwabantu abangase bathukuthele ngokweqile, abazama ukubusa.
UStephanie: Futhi uKathy, leyo yimibono esebenzayo. Ngiyabonga. Ngibheke phambili ukuwabelana nawo futhi. Ngabe ubona sengathi amaTaliban ehliswe isithunzi ngabezindaba baseNtshonalanga, ngabezindaba bomhlaba wonke? Ngabe ikhona indlela yokugqashula kulokho kwehlisa isithunzi futhi ubone ukuthi kungani abantu bejoyina amaTaliban kwasekuqaleni, futhi yiziphi izindlela esingaphazamisa ngazo lowo mjikelezo wobuqili?
UKathy: O, uStephanie, lowo ngumbuzo owusizo impela. Futhi kufanele ngiziqaphe mina nolimi lwami ngoba ngiyabona, ngisho noma ukhuluma, ayikho into efana nokuthi “The Taliban. ” Lokho kubanzi kakhulu isifo sohlangothi. Kunamaqoqo amaningi ahlukene aqukethe amaTaliban.
Futhi umbuzo wakho wokuthi kungani abantu bengena kulawo maqembu kwasekuqaleni, kuyiqiniso hhayi kumaTaliban kuphela, kodwa nakwamanye amaqembu amaningi empi, ukuthi bangasho ukuthi abantu abasha abafuna ukubeka ukudla etafuleni lemindeni yabo, "Bheka, uyazi, sinemali, kodwa kufanele uzimisele ukuthatha isibhamu ukuze ube semnyango wokuthola noma iyiphi yale mali." Futhi-ke, kwabaningi abasebasha abangamaTalib, babengenazo ezinye izindlela eziningi zokukwazi ukutshala noma ukutshala imihlambi noma ukuvuselela ingqalasizinda yezolimo endaweni yabo. Uyazi, i-opium yisona sitshalo esikhulu kunazo zonke esikhiqizwa njengamanje futhi lokho kungabangenisa kunethiwekhi yonke yamakhosi ezidakamizwa nezinduna zempi.
Iningi lentsha yempi yamaTalib kungenzeka ukuthi ngabantu abangahlomula ngokukwazi ukufunda ukufunda futhi bonke abantu e-Afghanistan bazozuza ngokukwazi ukufunda izilimi zomunye nomunye, uDari nePashto. Nginesiqiniseko sokuthi kube nezithombe ezigcwele inzondo eyakhiwe, njengokuthi kukhona amaPastuns abacabanga ukuthi wonke amaHazaras ayizakhamizi ezisezingeni lesibili futhi akumele athembeke. Futhi amaHazaras akhe izithombe zawo wonke amaPastuns njengengozi futhi angathenjwa.
Abangane bami abasebasha e-Afghanistan babefanekisela abantu ababefuna ukufinyelela kubantu abangaphesheya kokwehlukana. Bakhulume ngomhlaba ongenamngcele. Babefuna ukuba namaphrojekthi wobuhlanga. Ngakho-ke, bahambisa izingubo zokulala kubantu ababeswele ngesikhathi sobusika obunzima, njengoba babenza njalo ebusika. Ngiqonde ukuthi, basindisa izimpilo, ngiyakholelwa, ngalezi zingubo ezinzima.
Benza isiqiniseko sokuthi abesifazane ababekhokhelwa ukwenza lezi zingubo zokulala babeyingxenye yeqembu lamaHazaric, abanye babeqhamuka eqenjini lesiTajik, kanti abanye babeqhamuka eqoqweni lePashto. Basebenza kanzima ukwenza isiqiniseko sokuthi bayabahlonipha bonke abantu bezinhlanga ezintathu. Futhi ngokufanayo nokusatshalaliswa. Bangenza iphuzu lokucela ama-mosque amele lezi zinhlanga ezintathu ezihlukene ukubasiza ukuthi babone ukuthi bazokwaba kanjani ngokulingana lezo zingubo zokulala. Benze into efanayo nangezingane eza esikoleni sezingane ezihlala emgwaqweni kanye nemindeni esizwe ngalokho.
Lowo kwakuwumsebenzi omncane, futhi wavunyelwa ukuphana kwabantu abaningi, abaningi, kufaka phakathi abaningi eCalifornia nabaningi ePoint Reyes. Kepha uyazi, okwamanje uhulumeni wase-United States uthele izigidigidi, uma kungenjalo izigidigidi zamadola ezimpini e-Afghanistan nase-Iraq. Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi sekuhlangene sebelikhulisile igebe phakathi kwamaqembu ahlukene futhi bakhulisa amathuba okuthi abantu bathole izikhali futhi bazikhombe omunye komunye.
Uqinisile uma ungawamukeli umqondo wokuthi kukhona elinye ibhulogi elikhulu elibizwa ngokuthi, "AmaTaliban." Kufanele sihlehle isinyathelo emuva lapho. Kepha-ke futhi hlobo lokuqwayiza cishe bese uzama ukubona ubuntu balaba okuthiwa yizitha.
UMichael: Yebo, ngokubona ubuntu - futhi, uKathy, njengoba sazi kahle, lokho nje kuguqula inkambu yakho yokubona ngokuphelele, kuguqula umbono wakho. Uqala ukubona izinto ezahlukahlukene. Ngiyazi ukuthi iqembu elilodwa laqhamuka nemali yesibonelelo, ngikholwa ukuthi bekuyi-Afghanistan. Kwakuyisikhashana esedlule; ubanike imali ngokulindela ukuthi bazotshala izitshalo zokudla ezidingekayo, futhi esikhundleni salokho, abantu batshale izimbali.
Ngakho-ke, babuza, "Ukwenzeleni lokho?" Futhi bathi, "Hhayi-ke, umhlaba kufanele umomotheke." Kufanele, uyazi, sibuyise okuhle ngandlela thile enhle yokuqinisekisa impilo. Kungaba lula kakhulu uma singashintsha uhlaka lwethu lwengqondo, njengoba ngithi, kusuka, singathela kanjani uwoyela ofanayo emanzini afanayo ahluphekayo? Noma, silutholaphi uhlobo oluhlukile lwamafutha? Yilokho amaVoices of Creative Nonviolence kanye neMetta Center abesebenza kanzima ngakho, ukuphakamisa isibhengezo sokungabi nodlame futhi ngokushesha ubudlova buqala ukubonakala.
UStephanie: Manje Kathy, uke waya e-Afghanistan izikhathi ezingaphezu kwezingama-30?
UKathy: Kulungile.
UStephanie: Ngakho-ke, ake sikhulume kancane ngohambo lwakho njengomuntu nokuthi leso sipiliyoni sikushintshe kanjani. Ngifuna nokunikeza abalaleli bethu umuzwa wokuthi kunjani ukuba se-Afghanistan. Futhi hhayi eKabul nje kuphela, kepha nginesiqiniseko sokuthi ungene ezifundazweni ezingaphandle. Ungasidweba isithombe se-Afghanistan thina nabantu?
UKathy: Uyazi, nginomngani, u-Ed Keenan, owayeyilungu lesinye sezithunywa zethu zokuqala ukuvakashela iKabul. Futhi ngokuthobeka okukhulu wabhala i-eseyi wathi uzizwa ukuthi ubona i-Afghanistan ngembobo yokhiye. Uyazi, iqiniso lelo kimi.
Ngazi indawo eyodwa yaseKabul futhi ngijabule ngezikhathi ezimbalwa ukuya ePanjshir okuyindawo enhle lapho Isikhungo Esiphuthumayo Sokuhlinzwa Sezisulu Zempi waba nesibhedlela. Sibe izivakashi kuleso sibhedlela isonto lonke. Futhi ngezikhathi ezimbalwa, okufana nohambo lwasensimini, abanye bethu bakwazi ukuya kuba yizivakashi zomuntu owayekade esebenza kwezolimo. Wabulawa. Yena nomndeni wakhe bazosamukela endaweni yasePanjshir. Futhi ngivakashele abantu eBamiyan. Futhi-ke ngezikhathi ezithile, emaphethelweni eKabul, mhlawumbe ngomshado wasendaweni.
Kodwa-ke, bekukhanyisa kakhulu ukungena ezigodini ngezinga elincane engikwenzile ngoba abanye ogogo baseBamiyan, bangitshele, “Uyazi, imikhuba ozwayo ngayo - amaTaliban ayigcinayo ngabesifazane yayiqhubeka emakhulwini eminyaka ngaphambi kokuba kube khona amaTaliban. Lokhu bekulokhu kuyindlela yethu. ”
Ngakho-ke, emadolobhaneni, ezindaweni zasemakhaya, abanye besifazane - hhayi bonke, kepha abanye - bebengeke babone umehluko omkhulu phakathi kokubusa kuka-Ashraf Ghani kanye nohulumeni wakhe kanye nokubusa kwamaTaliban. Eqinisweni, inhlangano yabahlaziyi base-Afghanistan ithe abanye abantu ezindaweni lapho bazihlunga khona bazama nje ukubona ukuthi kunjani ukuhlala endaweni ephethwe yiTaliban. Abanye bathi kubo, “Niyazi, uma kuziwa ezindabeni zobulungiswa ukuxazulula izingxabano ngempahla noma ngomhlaba, sikhetha izinkantolo zaseTaliban ngoba izinkantolo zikahulumeni eKabul,” okumele kubonakale, niyazi, kakhulu, kude le, “konakele kakhulu kufanele siqhubeke sikhokhela zonke izindlela, futhi siphelelwa yimali. Ubulungiswa benziwa kuye ngokuthi ngubani othole imali eningi. ” Ngakho-ke, mhlawumbe lokho kuyinto ethinte izimpilo zabantu, noma ngabe bangamadoda, abesifazane, noma izingane.
Lapho ngiya kuleyo ndawo yabasebenzi eKabul, eminyakeni yamuva nje, lapho sengingene ekhaya labo, angizange ngihambe. Ngenkathi kanye lapho sizohlala inyanga noma inyanga nohhafu, ukuhambela kwethu kwaba kufushane futhi kwaba kufushane, njengezinsuku eziyishumi kuzoba yinto ejwayelekile ngoba kuqale ukuba yingozi kakhulu kubangani bethu abasebancane ukubamba abaseNtshonalanga. Kulethe izinsolo eziningi. Kungani uxhuma nabantu abavela eNtshonalanga? Benzani? Ingabe bayakufundisa? Ngabe usebenzisa amanani aseNtshonalanga? Lokho bekuvele kuyimithombo yokusola ngaphambi kokuthi amaTalib afice uKabul.
Ngingasho ukuthi ukuzidela, ukuba nemibono, ukuzwelana, amakhono obuholi, amahlaya amahle engiwathole phakathi kwabantu abasha engibe nenhlanhla yokuwavakashela, bekuhlala njalo, kuyinto evuselelayo kakhulu.
Ngiyaqonda ukuthi kungani umhlengikazi wase-Italy engake ngahlangana naye (igama lakhe kwakungu Emanuele Nanini) wathi uyahamba, phezulu ezintabeni ephethe ubhaka omkhulu emhlane, kanti ubehambisa izinto zokwelashwa. Bekuzobe kungokokugcina ukuhamba kwakhe ngoba uhambo lwakhe lweminyaka emine lokuba seZikhungo Zokuhlinzwa Eziphuthumayo Zezisulu Zempi beluphela.
Abantu babazi ukuthi uzobashiya futhi bavela - bahamba amahora amane eqhweni ebusika ukuze bakwazi ukuvalelisa futhi ngiyabonga. Futhi wathi, “Awu. Ngabathanda. ” Ngicabanga ukuthi yilokho okuhlangenwe nakho abaningi abaye baba nakho. Futhi, ungabuza uSherri Maurin. Uvele uthandane nabantu abaningi abahle, abalungile nabanomusa abebengasho ukuthi singahlukumezeka.
Ngikhumbula umngani wami osemusha esathi kimi eminyakeni edlule, “Kathy, hamba uye ekhaya utshele abazali babantu abasha ezweni lakini, 'Ungathumeli izingane zakho e-Afghanistan. Kuyingozi ngabo lapha. '”Wabe esengeza ngokudabukisayo," Futhi abasisizi ngalutho. "
Ngakho-ke, bekuhlala kunomqondo, ngicabanga, engxenyeni yabantu abasha kanye neminye imindeni kanye nabantu abasha engihlangane nabo ukuthi abafuni ukulimaza abantu e-United States, kepha bebengafuni abantu e-United States ukuqhubeka bethumela amasosha namasosha nezikhali ezweni labo.
Futhi ngiyakhumbula lapho lowomthetho omkhulu womoya uqhuma, isikhali esiqine kakhulu, esikhulu kunazo zonke - isikhali esivamile e-arsenal yaseMelika esishoda ngebhomu lenuzi, lapho lokho kushayisa intaba, bamangala nje. Babecabanga - uyazi, ngoba abantu babeyibiza ngokuthi, "Umama Wawo Wonke Amabhomu," e-United States - futhi badideka ngokuphelele. Kungani? Kungani ungafuna ukwenza lokhu?
Yebo, kwavela ukuthi ngaphakathi kuleyo ntaba kwakunoxhaxha lwezindawo zokugcina izikhali, nokuthi hlobo luni lokugcina amandla ayimfihlo okuqondisa ezempi zase-United States ezazakhiwe amasosha aseMelika eminyakeni eminingi eyedlule. Amasosha ase-US ayazi ukuthi yayikhona, futhi ayengafuni ukuthi amaTaliban ayisebenzise noma amanye amaqembu ezimpi ayisebenzise, ngakho ayiqhumisa.
Kepha uyazi, angikaze ngizwe imiyalezo enamandla kangaka mayelana nokubaluleka kokuqeda impi njengoba ngizwe kulaba bantu abasha e-Afghanistan. Babehlala njalo bethumela lowo mlayezo.
UStephanie: Futhi ungapenda isithombe esithe xaxa futhi ngokuthi kunjani ukuba kuleyo ndawo eKabul? Kufanele uphume, uzithola kanjani izimpahla zakho? Unqobe kanjani ukwesaba udlame olungaba khona?
UKathy: Ukushoda kokuphakelwa kwakuhlala kungokoqobo kakhulu. Ngikhumbula ngilapho ngesinye isikhathi lapho amanzi aphela. Uyazi, kudlulile, kudlulile. Ngenhlanhla, umninikhaya wathatha umthwalo wokumba umgodi. Ngenhlanhla, emva kwesikhathi esithile, amanzi ashaywa. Futhi-ke, le nkinga yokungabi namanzi yehliswa ngandlela thile.
Kwakunezingozi eziningi kakhulu emindenini eyahlukene kangangokuba abantu abasha babehlala ezikhukhuleni nasemigedeni, kanti nezindlu zangasese zazivame ukuba ngezedlanzana impela. Ngaso sonke isikhathi lapho ngihamba, ngokoqobo njalo ebusika lapho ngise-Afghanistan, wonke umndeni wawungehla nolunye uhlobo lokutheleleka okuphefumula. Futhi kathathu, nami ngiphethwe yinyumoniya. Ngiqonde ukuthi bengingenayo imikhuba abebeyakhele, futhi sengimdala. Ngakho-ke, abantu babehlala bebhekana nezingozi zezempilo.
Izinga lomoya belisabeka kakhulu ebusika ngoba ezindaweni ezihlwempu abantu abakwazi ukuthenga izinkuni. Abakwazi ukukhokhela amalahle, ngakho-ke baqala ukushisa izikhwama zepulasitiki namathayi. Futhi intuthu ibivele idale ikhwalithi yomoya ebiyimbi kabi. Ngiqonde ukuthi, uma ubuzixubha amazinyo ukhipha amathe amnyama. Futhi lokho akukuhle kubantu.
Kuyangimangaza ukuqina kwabangane bami abasebasha ukuthi bakwazi ukuphatha ngalesi sikhathi sasebusika esibandayo. Akukho ukushisa endlini, ngakho-ke uyazi, ugqoka zonke izingubo zakho, futhi uqhaqhazela kakhulu phakathi nosuku.
Kungihlaba umxhwele kakhulu nangokuzimisela kwabo ukuqoqa imithwalo, bakhuphuke intaba, futhi bavakashele nabafelokazi ababedudulelwe phezulu entabeni, empeleni. Uma uya phezulu, mancane amanzi ayatholakala ngakho-ke intela iyehla, futhi unabesifazane abaphila ngentambo yezicathulo. Futhi okuwukuphela kwendlela abangondla ngayo izingane ukuthumela ezinye zazo emakethe ukuze zishaye, uyazi, phansi emakethe ngezinsalela zokudla noma ukuzama ukubhalisa njengezisebenzi zezingane.
Ngakho-ke abangane bami abancane, ngandlela thile babenza ukugadwa, uhlobo oluhle kakhulu lokuqapha ngezincwadi zabo zokubhala kanye nezibaya zabo bebuza abesifazane okungukuphela kwabantu abadala ekhaya. Akekho umuntu ongahola imali. Abesifazane abakwazi ukuphuma bayosebenza. Banezingane.
Babebabuza, “Udla kangaki ngesonto ubhontshisi?” Futhi uma impendulo bekungukuthi, “Mhlawumbe kabili,” uma bebedla kakhulu isinkwa noma ilayisi, uma bengenawo amanzi ahlanzekile, uma ingane kunguyena ohola kakhulu, bazothatha lelo phepha lenhlolovo futhi babe nomusa Yibeke phezulu. Futhi baya kulabo bantu bathi, “Bheka, sicabanga ukuthi okungenani singakusiza udlule ebusika. Nakhu ukugxusha ukwenza ingubo esindayo yengubo. Nayi indwangu. Uyathunga. Sizobuya siziqoqe. Sizokukhokhela, futhi sizobanikela mahhala kwababaleki abasemakamu ababaleki. ”
Bese kuthi abanye - umngani wami osemncane oseNdiya manje - angiyise lapho azinikele khona ne-. Wayenguthisha wokuzithandela, futhi lezi zingane zazimthanda. Futhi yena uqobo ubhekana nokuba ne-muscular dystrophy. Akunzima kangako ukuthi udinga isihlalo esinamasondo. Usangakwazi ukuhamba.
Ngishilo ukuzwelana. Unozwela nje olukhulu kwabanye abantu ababhekene nezimo ezingaphezu kwamandla abo ngezindlela ezithile. Futhi ngikubonile lokho kaninginingi. Ngakho-ke, lapho ngibona izingane zithi, "Ingabe elinye izwe lingangithatha?" Ngicabanga, “Hawu nkosi yami. ECanada, e-United States, e-UK, eJalimane, ePortugal nase-Italy. ” Noma yiliphi elinye izwe linga - kufanele ligxume ngenjabulo yokuthi laba bantu abasha bangene ezweni labo, njengoba kufanele samukele wonke umuntu waseHaiti ofuna ukuza lapha. Futhi vuma, sinokuningi esingabelana ngakho. Umsebenzi omningi wokuhamba. Futhi uma sikhathazekile ngemali, thatha amaRandi ayizigidi eziyizinkulungwane eziyi-10 kuMbutho Wezomoya bese ubatshela, “Uyazi ini? Ngeke sikwazi ukukhokhela amandla akho e-Over the Horizon okubulala abantu. ”
UStephanie: UKathy, ngicabanga ukuthi lapho okhulumela uBiden, ephendula lezo zithombe ezisemngceleni nabaseHaiti, wathi ziyesabeka futhi asikho isimo lapho lokho kungaba yimpendulo efanelekile. Ngenkathi ngisishayela ihlombe leso sitatimende, kubonakala kunengqondo futhi kunobuntu, ngicabanga ukuthi singathatha lowo mqondo futhi siwusebenzise embuzweni omkhulu wempi. Ngabe sikhona isimo lapho kubonakala kuyimpendulo efanelekile ngo-2021?
UKathy: Ngempela. Impela. Uyazi, kunemindeni eminingi, eminingi, eminingi yabantu baseHaiti lapha e-United States nabo ngokwabo ababenenkinga enzima, ngokungangabazeki, bewela imingcele. Kepha bangakulungela ukusitshela, "Nakhu ukuthi ungamukela kanjani abantu emiphakathini yethu." Futhi ngicabanga ukuthi sidinga ukubheka kakhulu amakhono aphansi anayo imiphakathi futhi sikhulule lawo makhono phezulu.
Ngisho, ngiyaqiniseka ukuthi kunemiphakathi kuyo yonke i-United States engakhumbula lapho imiphakathi yaseVietnam ingena emadolobheni ayo futhi yayethukile nje ngomkhakha nangobuhlakani bengqondo nobuhle obabulethwa abaningi babaleki imiphakathi yethu. Impela ngiyibonile endaweni engenhla yedolobha laseChicago.
Ngakho-ke, kungani singafuna ukucabanga ukuthi ngandlela thile siyiqembu elingcwele, eliphakeme, futhi ngeke sihlaselwe ngabantu abafuna ukuza ezweni lethu? Ngokwenzelwa okuhle, leli lizwe laliyikhaya labantu bomdabu ababulawa ngabasunguli nabalandeli babo, ekuqaleni. Babulawa ngenxa yezifiki ezazinenzondo ngabo. Futhi-ke wonke amaqembu abafuduki afika e-United States ngokuvamile eza ngoba ayebalekela ezempi kanye nokushushiswa emazweni abo.
Ngakho-ke, kungani ungabi nozwela olwengeziwe? Kungani ungasho ukuthi wonke umuntu ungene, akekho ophumayo? Khipha imali emasosheni ukhiphe izikhali kuthuluzi lamathuluzi ukwazi ukuthola izindlela zokuthandwa ngabantu emhlabeni wonke ukuze kungabi khona ubutha. Besingazobonwa njengabantu abasongela amandla.
UStephanie: Futhi kubonakala futhi, indlela ochaze ngayo abantu base-Afghanistan nokuphana kwabo kuwe njengesivakashi, leyo yinto abantu baseMelika abangayifunda e-Afghanistan.
UKathy: Yebo, impela lowo mqondo wokungabi nodlame ohlanganisa ukulungela okukhulu ukwabelana ngezinsizakusebenza, ukulungela okukhulu ukuba ngumsebenzi kunokuba ubuse abanye. Futhi ukuzimisela okungathi sína kakhulu ukuphila kalula.
Uyazi, futhi, ngifuna ukugcizelela ukuthi ngenkathi ngiseKabul, bengingazi muntu onemoto. Ngabona kalula ukuthi kungani le ndoda, uZemari Ahmadi, yathathwa, niyazi, indoda ethandwayo endaweni. Wayenemoto. Ukusetshenziswa kukaphethiloli kwabantu base-Afghanistan uma kuqhathaniswa nomhlaba wonke ngokonakaliswa kwemvelo kuyinto encane. Abantu abanazo iziqandisi. Impela abanazo izipholisi zomoya. Hhayi izimoto eziningi kangaka. Amabhayisikili amaningi kakhulu.
Abantu baphila impilo elula kakhulu. Akukho ukushisa kwangaphakathi. Abantu bathatha ukudla kwabo kuhleli esiyingini phansi, futhi bahlanganyela lezo zidlo nanoma ngubani okungenzeka ungena emnyango. Futhi empeleni, lokhu kuyadabukisa kakhulu, kepha njalo emva kwesidlo uzobona omunye wabangane bethu abasebasha efaka okusalayo esikhwameni sepulasitiki, bese bekuletha ebhulohweni ngoba bebazi ukuthi abahlala ngaphansi kwebhuloho abantu baphakathi kwezigidi ezazibe umlutha we-opium.
Futhi ngokudabukisayo, elinye iqiniso lempi ukuthi yize amaTaliban ekuqaleni ayekuqedile ukukhiqizwa kwe-opium, eminyakeni engama-20 yokuthwalwa kwe-US, yize kwakuthelwa izigidigidi kuma-counter-narcotic, umkhiqizo we-opium usondeze phezulu. Futhi leyo ngenye indlela ethinta abantu base-United States futhi ngoba ngevolumu yokukhiqizwa kwe-opium evela e-Afghanistan, yehlisa intengo ye-opium futhi ethinta abantu abavela e-UK baye e-US nakulo lonke elaseYurophu naseMpumalanga Ephakathi.
UMichael: Yebo. Kathy, ngiyabonga kakhulu. Kwenzeke into efanayo naseColumbia. Singena lapho siqhumise la masimu bese sizama ukuqeda i-cocoa bese sigcina sesinempendulo ehlukile. Bengifuna ukwabelana nawe ngezinto ezimbalwa. Ngangisemhlanganweni e-UK ngesinye isikhathi, kudala, empeleni, futhi lo mbuzo walokho esikwenzayo e-Afghanistan wafika.
Kwakukhona owesifazane ezilalelini owayekade e-Afghanistan, futhi wayekhala ekhala. Futhi-ke, kwangithinta ngokujulile kakhulu. Uthe, “Uyazi, siqhumisa lezi 'zintaba' nakithi, ziyizintaba nje. Kepha banezinhlelo zokuletha amanzi asuka ezintabeni zehlele ezigodini ezinamakhulu eminyaka ubudala. Futhi lolu wuhlobo lomonakalo wesibambiso esingawunaki. ” Ngakho-ke, lokho kwakuyinto eyodwa.
Futhi okunye kumane lokhu. Ngikhumbula okuthile okwashiwo nguJohan Galtung, ukuthi wayexoxisane nabantu abaningi base-Arabhu ngobushokobezi. Wabuza, “Ufunani?” Futhi uyazi ukuthi bathini? Sifuna ukuhlonipha inkolo yethu. ” Futhi bekungeke kusikhokhele lutho. Futhi kunjalo nakumaTaliban.
Vele banemikhuba okungekho muntu ongayihlonipha. Kepha isisekelo sako ukuthi lapho ungahloniphi abantu ngokuthile okusondele kakhulu kubo njengenkolo yabo, bazoziphatha kabi kakhulu. Kuphela nje, "Kulungile, sizokwenza okuningi." "Sizokwenza ngcono ukufundiswa," njengoba kusho uShylock. Kuzofanele senze okuthile okuphikisanayo futhi sikuhlehlise lokho kwengqondo. Yilokho engikucabangayo.
UKathy: Ngicabanga ukuthi nathi sidinga mhlawumbe ukubona ukuthi inkolo ebusayo, ngiyakholelwa, ezweni lethu namuhla seyiyimpi. Ngicabanga ukuthi imikhuba eminingi eyenzeka ezindlini zokukhulekela, ngandlela thile, iyizikrini zokubhema, futhi ivimbela abantu ekuboneni ukuthi sibeka ukholo lwethu emandleni okuphatha izinsiza zabanye abantu, ukulawula izinsiza zabanye abantu, nokwenza lokho ngodlame. Futhi ngoba sinakho lokho noma sinakho lokho kubusa, sikwazile ukuphila kahle impela - mhlawumbe ngokusetshenziswa kakhulu, ngokulawulwa kakhulu kwezinsizakusebenza ngoba silindele ukuthola izinsiza eziyigugu zabanye abantu ngamanani entengo aphansi.
Ngakho-ke, ngicabanga, uyazi, imikhuba yethu yezenkolo ibilimaza abanye abantu njengaleyo yamaTaliban. Kungenzeka singabhaxabuli abantu esidlangalaleni endaweni engaphandle, kepha uyazi, lapho amabhomu ethu - la, ngokwesibonelo, lapho idrone idubula umcibisholo wesihogo somlilo, ungacabanga ukuthi lowo mcibisholo - awugcini ngokubeka amakhilogremu ayi-100 womthofu oncibilikisiwe imoto noma indlu, kodwa-ke inguqulo yayo yakamuva, ibizwa ngokuthi umcibisholo we- [R9X], iyahluma, icishe ifane nezinsimbi eziyisithupha. Zidubula njengama-switchblade. Big, izindwani ezinde. Bese ucabanga ngomshini wotshani, uhlobo oludala. Baqala ukuzungeza futhi basike, basike izidumbu zalowo ohlaselwe. Manje, uyazi, lokho kuhle kabi, akunjalo?
Futhi ake ucabange izingane zase-Ahmedi. Lokho kwaba ukuphela kwempilo yabo. Ngakho-ke, sinemikhuba emibi kakhulu. Futhi ukungabi nodlame kungamandla eqiniso. Kufanele sikhulume iqiniso futhi sizibuke esibukweni. Futhi lokhu engisanda kukusho kunzima ngempela ukubheka. Kepha ngicabanga ukuthi kuyadingeka ukuqonda kangcono ukuthi singobani nokuthi singasho kanjani ukuthi, “Siyaxolisa. Siyaxolisa kakhulu, ”futhi wenze izinhlawulo ezithi ngeke sikwenze lokhu.
UStephanie: UKathy Kelly, sinemizuzu embalwa nje esele futhi ngiyazibuza ukuthi uzizwa kanjani nge-Afghanistan ngokungabi seqhulwini kunembeza wabantu iminyaka eminingi kangaka kuze kube yilapho iMelika iphuma. Uke waxoxwa ngeDemocracy manje kanye neNational Catholic Reporter. Usugcwele izindaba njengamanje. Abantu bafuna ukukhuluma nawe. Ucabanga ukuthi yini okufanele siyizwe ukuze singakuvumeli lokhu kudlule lapho izihloko zezindaba ziyeka ukukukhombisa? Yini okufanele siyenze?
UKathy: Yebo, kuyiqiniso impela ukuthi kunakwe kakhulu emasontweni amathathu edlule kunokukhokhelwa iminyaka engu-20 edlule e-Afghanistan. Umbuzo omkhulu kangako, kepha ngicabanga ukuthi izindaba zisisiza ukuthi sizwisise iqiniso lethu.
Futhi-ke, uma uyiletha ekolishi lomphakathi wangakini noma eyunivesithi esiseduzane, singacela yini osolwazi abaqashiwe kanye namashansela ukuthi bakhathazeke ngengxenye ye-Afghanistan yezifundo zabo, ingxenye yezifundo zabo ezengeziwe. Lapho sicabanga ngezindlu zokukhulekela, amasinagoge kanye namasonto kanye namasonto, singababuza, ungasisiza yini ukudala ukukhathazeka kwangempela ngabantu abavela e-Afghanistan?
Singasiza ukuletha ababaleki emphakathini wethu futhi sifunde kubo? Singaba yini nabantu abazohlangana nabo futhi babe ngumthombo ohlanganyelwe wezingane onamathele e-Afghanistan njengamanje? Noma kubantu abasezimweni ezimbi ePakistan? Singabheka yini kuma-cooperatives ethu okudla endawo kanye namaqembu emvelo kanye nochwepheshe bezemvelo bese sithi, “Uyazi ini? Lezi zingane e-Afghanistan zithanda ukutadisha i-permaculture. Singakwazi ukuxhumana ngaleyo ndlela bese siqhubeka sixhuma, sixhuma, sixhuma? ”
Uyazi, ngibuze abangane bami abasebasha e-Afghanistan, “Ufuna ukucabanga ngokubhala indaba yakho. Uyazi, mhlawumbe ubhalele umuntu ocishe wabalekela kwesinye isimo incwadi. ” Ngakho-ke, mhlawumbe singenza okufanayo. Uyazi, uhambelana futhi wabelane ngezindaba. Siyabonga ngokubuza lowo mbuzo obalulekile.
Yonke imibuzo yakho ibilokhu - kufana nokuhlehla. Ngibonga kakhulu ngesikhathi sakho namhlanje ekuseni. Siyabonga ngokulalela. Nina nobabili niyalalela njalo.
UStephanie: Ngiyabonga kakhulu ngokujoyina nathi namuhla. Futhi egameni labalaleli bethu, ngiyabonga kakhulu, uKathy Kelly.
UKathy: Kulungile. Kuhle, ngiyabonga. Usale kahle, Michael. Usale kahle, uStephanie.
UMichael: Usale kahle, uKathy. Kuze kube yisikhathi esilandelayo.
UStephanie: Bye
UKathy: Kulungile. Kuze kube yisikhathi esilandelayo.
UStephanie: Besikhuluma nje noKathy Kelly, elinye lamalungu asungula amaVoices ehlane, kamuva abizwa ngeVoices for Creative Nonviolence. Ungumxhumanisi ku-Ban Killer Drones Campaign, isishoshovu esine World Beyond War, futhi useke waya e-Afghanistan cishe izikhathi ezingama-30. Unombono omangalisayo.
Sisalelwe imizuzu embalwa. UMichael Nagler, sicela usinikeze umbiko we-Nonviolence. Ubulokhu ucabangisisa ngokulimala kokuziphatha ngemuva kwengxoxo yethu yokugcina noKelly Borhaug futhi ngiyethemba ukuthi ungakhuluma kancane ukuthi leyomicabango ibikhula kanjani emizuzwini embalwa ezayo.
UMichael: Yebo. Lokho kungenye yochungechunge lwemibuzo yakho emihle, uStephanie. Ngibhale i-athikili, futhi ngilungiselela ukubhala okuningi. Lo mbhalo ubizwa ngokuthi, "Afghanistan Nokulimala Kokuziphatha."
Iphuzu lami eliyinhloko ukuthi lezi yizimpawu ezimbili ezinkulu kakhulu, ezingangabazeki ezisitshela ukuthi, “Buyela emuva. Uhamba ngendlela engafanele. ” Elase-Afghanistan libhekise ekutheni kusukela ngo-1945, iMelika isisebenzisile - ukuthola lokhu - $ 21 trillion. Cabanga nje ukuthi yini ebesingayenza nalokho. $ 21 trillion ochungechungeni olude lwezimpi, okungekho nenye yazo "eyawina" ngomqondo ojwayelekile. Ukungikhumbuza ngomuntu othile owathi, “Awusoze wayinqoba impi njengoba nje unganqoba nokuzamazama komhlaba.”
Enye ingxenye yendatshana yami ethi, "Ukulimala Kokuziphatha" isezingeni elihluke kakhulu, kepha futhi isitshela ngandlela-thile, ukuthi yenzani kumuntu ukuthi abambe iqhaza ohlelweni olubi futhi alimaze abanye.
Sihlale sikucabanga lokho, uyazi, “Ha-ha. Inkinga yakho, hhayi eyami. ” Kepha noma kusuka ku-neuroscience kulezi zinsuku, singakhombisa ukuthi uma ulimaza omunye umuntu, lokho kulimala kubhalisa ebuchosheni bakho, futhi uma singakucabanga lokho, ukuthi awukwazi ukulimaza abanye ngaphandle kokuzilimaza wena. Akukhona nje iqiniso elibi lokuziphatha. Kuyiqiniso lesayensi yobuchopho. Noma kunamandla wokuziphatha endaweni yonke, lolo hlangothi kanye neqiniso lokuthi njengendlela yokuxazulula izinkinga ayisasebenzi. Sizokhuthazeka ngempela ukuthola enye indlela.
Ngakho-ke, ngizogqamisa iqembu elibonakala likhulu impela, linethemba elikhulu kimi. Kuyinhlangano enkulu, njengezinhlangano eziningi namuhla ezenza lolu hlobo umehluko, iyabambisana, amanye amaqembu amaningi ayathanda Ukuqeqeshelwa Izinguquko njalonjalo ziyingxenye yalo. Ukuphuma koMsebenzi, futhi kubizwa Momentum.
Futhi engikuthanda kakhulu ngakho, ngoba lokhu yinto engicabanga ukuthi besilahlekile isikhathi eside, ukuthi abagcini ngokuhlelela nje, kepha bakulungele kakhulu ukukusiza uhlelele injongo ethile noma udaba oluthile. Kepha futhi benza ukuqeqeshwa namasu futhi bakusebenzisa lokho ngokwesayensi kakhulu.
Lokho kulula ukubheka phezulu: nje Momentum. Iwebhusayithi ekhangayo kakhulu futhi konke okuphathelene naleli qembu kungithinte njengokukhuthaza kakhulu. Ikakhulukazi iqiniso, futhi silapha ku-Nonviolence Radio namhlanje ekuseni, ukuthi bakhulume ngokugqamile ezindaweni ezibalulekile ukuthi ukungabi nodlame kuzolandelwa kukho konke abakwenzayo. Ngakho-ke, lokho yi-Momentum.
Ngaphezu kokuphuma kwendatshana ethi, “Afghanistan and Moral Injury,” Bengifuna ukusho ukuthi eNyuvesi yaseToledo ngomhlaka 29 kule nyanga, ngoSepthemba, kuzoba khona ukukhombisa ifilimu yethu. Kubuye kwaba nombukiso muva nje eRaleigh, eNorth Carolina kwiTriumphant Film Festival. Ngicabanga ukuthi kumele babe nendawo ethile yokurekhoda kwakho konke okukhonjisiwe.
Ngakho-ke, yini enye eqhubekayo? Gosh kakhulu. Sisekugcineni nje kwe- Iviki Lesenzo Somkhankaso Wokulwa Nodlame ephele ngomhla ka-21, uSuku Lokuthula Lomhlaba Wonke, hhayi ngengozi. Futhi kungenzeka ngake ngakushilo lokhu ngaphambilini, kepha kulo nyaka bekungekho ngaphansi kwezenzo nemicimbi engama-4300 yomlingiswa ongenabudlova obenzeka ezweni lonke.
Kuza maduze nje, ngo-Okthoba 1, ngosuku olwandulela usuku lokuzalwa lukaMahatma Gandhi, eStanford University umngani wethu uClay Carson uzoba nendlu evulekile lapho singafunda khona kabanzi ngeprojekthi ethakazelisa kakhulu abaqale ukuyibiza ngokuthi, “Iphrojekthi Yomhlaba Wonke. ” Ngakho-ke, iya esikhungweni se-MLK Peace and Justice Centre eStanford bese ubheka indlu evulekile bese uqopha leso sikhathi ngoLwesihlanu, ngo-Okthoba 1.
UStephanie: Futhi, ngoLwesihlanu, ngo-Okthoba 1 sizobe senza okunye ukukhombisa ifilimu iThe Third Harmony no-Ela Gandhi owayekwiNonviolence Radio emasontweni amabili edlule. Lokho kuzoba ukugubha i- Usuku Lomhlaba Wonke Lokungabi Nodlame, futhi lokho kuzoba njalo eNingizimu Afrika. Kepha izotholakala ku-inthanethi.
Michael, asishongo ukuthi uSepthemba 21 kwakunguSuku Lokuthula Lomhlaba Wonke. Isikhungo seMetta sihlotshaniswa neZizwe Ezihlangene ngokusebenzisa ECOSOC. Sinesimo esikhethekile sokubonisana. Le nhlangano yomhlaba isebenza ezindabeni zokuthula nokungabi nodlame. Siyajabula ukusiza ukusekela lokho.
Futhi kukhona lolu hlobo lwesikhathi esikhethekile phakathi kukaSepthemba 21 okuyiSuku Lomhlaba Lonke Lokuthula kanye no-Okthoba 2, okuwusuku lokuzalwa lukaMahatma Gandhi, kanye ne-International Day of Nonviolence, ukuthi kungenzeka umsebenzi omningi obalulekile, yingakho Umkhankaso Wokungabi Nodlame nokuthi kungani kunjalo esikhethekile kithi ukuthi sibe nomuntu ozinikele kakhulu ekuqedeni impi embukisweni wethu namuhla, uKathy Kelly.
Sibonga kakhulu isiteshi sikamama wethu, i-KWMR, kuKathy Kelly ngokusijoyina, noMatt Watrous ngokuloba nokuhlela uhlelo, u-Annie Hewitt, noBryan Farrell ku Ukuguquka Ukungaboni, osiza njalo ukwabelana ngombukiso nokuwukhuphula lapho. Futhi kini, balaleli bethu, ngiyabonga kakhulu. Ngibonga kakhulu kubo bonke abasizile bacabanga ngemibono nangemibuzo ngalo mbukiso. Futhi kuze kube yisikhathi esilandelayo, ninakekelane.
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