Ngasekupheleni kokushintsha umbono wethu wokuthi yini ebaluleke njengokuthi “ukwenza okuthile,” nginikeza lesi sifanekiso esiyinhlanganisela sezingxoxo eziningi nabezindaba engizenzile.
I-Interviewer: Ngakho-ke ubungamisa izindiza nama-drones namabhomu namabutho akhethekile. Ukhulume okuningi ngalokho obungeke ukwenze, kodwa ungasho ukuthi ubuzokwenzani?
Mina: Impela, ngikholwa ukuthi uhulumeni wase-United States kufanele ahlongoze futhi azame ukuxoxisana futhi ngesikhathi esifanayo aqale ukumiswa kokudubula ngokuzimele. Lapho uMongameli uKennedy ecela iSoviet Union ukuthi ivume ukuvinjelwa kokuhlolwa kwezikhali zenuzi, wamemezela ukuthi i-United States ngokwayo izoqhubeka futhi ikumise. Ukuxoxisana kusizwa ngobuholi ngesibonelo. Ukuze i-United States iyeke ukuzibandakanya noma ukusiza emlilweni kunganikeza umfutho omkhulu engxoxweni yokuqeda ukudubulana.
I-Interviewer: Ngakho-ke, futhi, ubungayeka ukudubula, kodwa ungenzenjani esikhundleni?
Mina: I-United States kufanele iphakamise futhi isebenzele ukuxoxisana futhi iqale ngokungahambisani nezikhali. Ngithi i-United States ngoba ngihlala khona futhi ngenxa yokuthi izikhali eziningi zaseMpumalanga Ephakathi zidabuka e-United States. Ukubamba iqhaza kwe-US kukodwa ekuvinjweni kwezikhali kuzoqeda ukunikezwa kwezikhali okuningi eNtshonalanga ye-Asia. Ukuyeka ukusheshisa i-Saudi Arabia izikhali eziningi kungenza okuhle kakhulu kunokubhala umbiko ngonya lwalowo mbuso, isibonelo. Ukuvinjelwa kwezikhali kufanele kuthuthukiswe ukuze kufakwe zonke izizwe esifundeni futhi kwandiswe ekukhishweni kwezikhali - okokuqala futhi okubaluleke kakhulu kuzo zonke izikhali zenuzi, zebhayoloji, nezamakhemikhali (yebo, kuhlanganisa nezika-Israel). I-United States inamandla okufeza lokhu, kodwa hhayi ngenkathi isebenza ngokumelene nayo - njengoba yenza manje ngamandla.
I-Interviewer: Kodwa futhi, nansi into ongafuni ukuyenza: ukuhlinzeka ngezikhali. Kodwa ingabe kukhona ofuna ukukwenza?
Mina: Ngaphandle kokudala ukuthula kanye ne-Middle East engena-WMD? Yebo, ngiyajabula ukuthi ubuze. Ngingathanda ukubona uhulumeni wase-US ethula uhlelo olukhulu lokubuyisela nokusiza abantu base-Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Palestine, Pakistan, Bahrain, Syria, Egypt, kanye naso sonke isifunda. (Ngiyacela, ngicela ungithathele izwi lami lokuthi angibaleli isizwe esisodwa kuphela ukuze kongiwe isikhathi, futhi hhayi ngoba ngizonda ezinye zazo nanoma yikuphi ukusangana okunjalo.) Lolu hlelo olungaxhunywanga kufanele luhlanganise nokudla. usizo, i-medical aid, ingqalasizinda, amandla aluhlaza, abasebenzi bokuthula, izihlangu zabantu, ubuchwepheshe bezokuxhumana obusetshenziswa kakhulu ezinkundleni zokuxhumana, ukuhlanzwa kwemvelo, nokuhwebelana ngamasiko nezemfundo. Futhi kufanele ikhokhelwe (qaphela ukuthi kufanele ikhokhelwe ngakho-ke kufanele ibalwe njengengqikithi yonxiwankulu “obenza okuthile”) ngokuncipha okuncane kwezempi yase-US - empeleni, ukuguqula izikhungo zamasosha ase-US Maphakathi. East ungene ezikhungweni zamandla aluhlaza kanye nezamasiko, bese uzinikezela kubahlali.
I-Interviewer: Ngiyakuzonda ukuqhubeka nokubuza umbuzo ofanayo, kodwa, futhi, yini ongayenza nge-ISIS? Uma uphikisana nempi, uyasisekela isenzo samaphoyisa? Kuyini okuthile, noma yini nhlobo ngenxa yobuhle, ongayenza doooooooo?
Mina: Nokho, ngaphezu kokumisa udlame, ukuxoxisana ngokuchithwa kwezikhali, kanye nokutshala imali esikalini kanye nezinga lokupha okuhloniphekile ukuze ngikhiphe i-Marshall Plan ezincwadini zomlando, ngizoqala imizamo yokuphuca i-ISIS uxhaso nezikhali. Ukuma okuvamile kokuthunyelwa kwezikhali kungasiza kakade. Ukuqeda iziteleka zomoya okuyithuluzi elikhulu le-ISIS lokuqasha kungasiza. Kepha iSaudi Arabia namanye amandla esifunda kufanele alethwe ukuze anqamule uxhaso lwe-ISIS. Lokho bekungeke kucishe kube nzima ukukwenza uma uhulumeni wase-US eyeka ukucabanga ngeSaudi Arabia njengekhasimende lezikhali eliyigugu futhi wayeka ukukhothamela zonke izidingo zayo.
I-Interviewer: Misa uxhaso. Yeka ukuhlomisa. Konke lokhu kuzwakala kumnandi. Futhi ulokhu ukusho njalo futhi. Kodwa ngizokucela okokugcina ukuthi usho ukuthi yini ongayenza esikhundleni salokho, nokuthi yisiphi isikhali ongasisebenzisa ukuze ukwenze.
Mina: Bengingasebenzisa isikhali esiqeda izitha ngokuziguqula zibe enye into ngaphandle kwezitha. Ngingamukela imibono i-ISIS esebenza ngokumelene nayo. Ayiphikisani nezempi yase-US. Iyadla ngayo. I-ISIS iphikisana nobuntu. Ngingamukela ababaleki ngaphandle komkhawulo. Ngingenza i-United States ibe yingxenye yomphakathi womhlaba ngokulingana nangokubambisana, ngijoyine ngaphandle kokugodla iNkantolo Yobugebengu Yamazwe Ngamazwe, kanye nezivumelwano ezikhona ezimayelana namalungelo engane, amabhomu agqitshwayo, amabhomu ayiqoqo, ukucwasa ngokobuhlanga, ukucwaswa kwabesifazane, izikhali ezisemkhathini, amalungelo ezisebenzi ezifudukayo, ukuhweba ngezikhali, ukuvikelwa ekunyamaleni, amalungelo abantu abakhubazekile, Isivumelwano Somhlaba Wonke Samalungelo Ezomnotho, Ezenhlalakahle Namasiko, kanye Nesivumelwano Somhlaba Wonke Samalungelo Abantu Nezombangazwe. Ngingasebenzela ukuguqula iNhlangano Yezizwe Ezihlangene ngiqale ngokusebenzisa i-veto ngaphandle kokufungela. Ngingamemezela inqubomgomo yokuyeka ukusekela noma ukuketula ondlovukayiphikiswa bangaphandle. Ngingamemezela izinhlelo zokusekela ukungabi nodlame, intando yeningi, nokusimama ekhaya nakwamanye amazwe, ngihola ngesibonelo - kufaka phakathi indawo yokuhoxiswa kwezikhali. Ukuguqula intando yeningi yase-US ngokususa uhlelo lokufumbathisa okusemthethweni kanye nalo lonke uhlu lwezinguquko ezidingekayo kungaba isibonelo futhi kuvumele izinqubomgomo zentando yeningi ezengeziwe. Ngizosusa ukuzwelana kwethu esiphakanyiswe ngokusemthethweni ku Sonke singabaseFrance kuya Siwumhlaba Wonke. Ukucabanga ukuthi noma yisiphi salezi zinyathelo asihlobene ne-ISIS ukungaqondi kahle amandla e-propaganda, isithombe, nokuxhumana kwenhlonipho ehloniphekile noma ukudelela okuzikhukhumezayo.
I-Interviewer: Hhayi-ke, sesiphelelwe isikhathi, futhi nokho awukangitsheli lutho obuzokwenza. Ngokudabukisayo, lokho kusishiya sinesibopho sokusekela ukuhlaselwa kwe-ISIS, njengoba nje singathandi impi.
