URoger Waters ubuzwa ngokuNzulu malunga neUkraine, iRashiya, i-Israel, i-US

By Berliner Zeitung, Februwari 4, 2023

Eyoqobo kwikhonkco engentla isiJamani. Le nguqulelo inikezelwe kwi World BEYOND War nguRoger Waters.

URoger Waters unokubanga ngokufanelekileyo ukuba ungoyena ngqondongqondo emva kwePink Floyd. Weza nombono kwaye wabhala onke amazwi engoma yobugcisa "Icala Elimnyama leNyanga". Wabhala ii-albhamu "Izilwanyana", "Udonga" kunye "neSikalo sokugqibela" eyedwa. Kukhenketho lwakhe lwangoku oluthi “Le Ayiyonto yokuDrila”, eza eJamani ngoMeyi, ke ngoko ufuna ukuvakalisa elo lifa ngomlinganiselo omkhulu kwaye adlale iingoma ezisuka kwisigaba sakudala sikaPink Floyd. Ingxaki: Ngenxa yeentetho eziphikisanayo azithethileyo ngemfazwe yaseUkraine nezopolitiko zelizwe lakwaSirayeli, enye yeekonsathi zakhe ePoland sele irhoxisiwe, yaye eJamani imibutho yamaYuda neyamaKristu ifuna okufanayo. Ixesha lokuthetha nemvumi eneminyaka engama-79 ubudala: Ithetha ukuthini ngayo yonke le nto? Ngaba akaqondwa kakuhle - ngaba iikonsathi zakhe kufuneka zirhoxiswe? Ngaba kufanelekile ukumkhuphela ecaleni kwincoko? Okanye ngaba uluntu lunengxaki yokuvala abantu abaphikisayo abafana naManzi kwincoko?

Imvumi ifumana iindwendwe zayo kwindawo ehlala kuyo esemazantsi eNgilani, inobuhlobo, ivulekile, ingazithobeki, kodwa izimisele- yindlela eya kuhlala ngayo kuyo yonke incoko. Okokuqala, nangona kunjalo, ufuna ukubonisa into ekhethekileyo: Kwi-studio yendlu yakhe, udlala iingoma ezintathu kwi-brand entsha yokurekhoda kwakhona "Icala Elimnyama leNyanga", elibhiyozela iminyaka engama-50 ngo-Matshi. Uthi: “Ingcamango entsha yenzelwe ukubonakalisa intsingiselo yomsebenzi, ukukhupha intliziyo nomphefumlo wecwecwe,” utsho, “ngokomculo nangokomoya. Ndim ndedwa ocula iingoma zam kwezi zirekhodiweyo zintsha, kwaye akukho siginkci sisodwa se-rock and roll.”

Amagama athethiweyo, abekwe phezulu kwiziqwenga zezixhobo ezinje ngo “On The Run” okanye “The Great Gig in the Sky” nangaphezulu “Thetha nam”, “Ukonakala kwengqondo” “Nawuphi na uMbala owuthandayo kunye nemali” zenzelwe ukucacisa “imantra” yakhe. ”, umyalezo awujonga njengongundoqo kuwo wonke umsebenzi wakhe: “Imalunga nelizwi lokuqiqa. Kwaye ithi: into ebalulekileyo ayingomandla ookumkani kunye neenkokheli zethu okanye oko kubizwa ngokuba kukuxhamla kwabo noThixo. Eyona nto ibalulekileyo lunxibelelwano phakathi kwethu njengabantu, uluntu lonke. Thina bantu sithe saa kulo lonke ihlabathi – kodwa siyazalana kuba siphuma eAfrika sonke. Sonke singabazalwana noodade, okanye abazala abakude kakhulu, kodwa indlela esiphathana ngayo iyonakalisa ikhaya lethu, iplanethi yomhlaba - ngokukhawuleza kunokuba sinokucinga. " Umzekelo, ngoku, ngequbuliso silapha ngo-2023 sibandakanyeka kwimfazwe yonyaka ubudala kunye neRussia eUkraine. Ngoba? Kulungile, intwana yembali, ngo-2004 uMongameli waseRussia uVladimir Putin wolula isandla sakhe eNtshona kumzamo wokwakha ulwakhiwo loxolo eYurophu. Konke kukho kwirekhodi. Ucacisile ukuba izicwangciso zasentshona zokumema isithuba se-Maidan coup Ukraine kwi-NATO yenze isoyikiso esingamkelekanga ngokupheleleyo kwi-Russian Federation kwaye siya kuwela umgca obomvu wokugqibela onokuphela emfazweni, ukuze sonke sijikeleze itafile kwaye sithethethethane ngekamva elinoxolo. . Ukuqhubela phambili kwakhe kwacinywa yi-US kunye namaqabane ayo e-NATO. Ukususela ngoko waqhubeka egcina isikhundla sakhe kwaye i-NATO ihlala igcina eyabo: "F ... wena". Kwaye silapha.

Mnu Amanzi, uthetha ngelizwi lokuqiqa, lonxibelelwano olunzulu lwabo bonke abantu. Kodwa xa kuziwa kwimfazwe yaseUkraine, uthetha kakhulu ngeempazamo zase-US kunye neNtshona, kungekhona ngemfazwe yaseRashiya kunye nobudlova baseRashiya. Kutheni ungaqhankqalazi ngokuchasene nezenzo ezenziwa yiRussia? Ndiyazi ukuba uxhase uPussy Riot kunye neminye imibutho yamalungelo oluntu eRussia. Kutheni ungahlaseli uPutin?

Okokuqala, ukuba ufunda ileta yam eya kuPutin kunye nemibhalo yam malunga nokuqala kwemfazwe ngoFebruwari ....

…umbiza ngokuba “ngumgulukudu”…

…kanye, ndiyenzile. Kodwa inokuba ndiyitshintshile ingqondo yam kancinci kulo nyaka uphelileyo. Kukho ipodcast evela eCyprus ebizwa ngokuba yi "Duran". Abaninimzi bathetha isiRashiya kwaye banokufunda iintetho zikaPutin ekuqaleni. Amagqabaza abo ngayo ayavakala kum. Esona sizathu sibalulekileyo sokubonelela ngezixhobo eUkraine ngokuqinisekileyo yinzuzo kwishishini lezixhobo. Kwaye ndiyazibuza: ngaba uPutin ngumgulukudu omkhulu kunoJoe Biden kunye nabo bonke abo baphethe ezopolitiko zaseMelika ukusukela kwiMfazwe yesibini yeHlabathi? Andiqinisekanga kangako. UPutin akazange ahlasele iVietnam okanye i-Iraq? Ngaba kunjalo?

Esona sizathu sibalulekileyo sokuhanjiswa kwezixhobo sesi silandelayo: Kukuxhasa iUkraine, ukuphumelela imfazwe kunye nokuphelisa ubundlongondlongo baseRashiya. Ubonakala uyibona ngokwahlukileyo.

Ewe. Mhlawumbi andifanelanga ukuba, kodwa ngoku ndivuleleke ngakumbi ukuba ndimamele ukuba uthini uPutin. Ngokwamazwi azimeleyo ndiphulaphule ulawula ngononophelo, enze izigqibo ngezizathu zokuvumelana kurhulumente waseRussian Federation. Kukwakho neenkcuba-buchopho ezibalulekileyo eRashiya, ebeziphikisana ne-impiriyali yaseMelika ukusukela ngeminyaka yoo-1950. Kwaye ibinzana eliphakathi lihlala likhona: I-Ukraine ngumgca obomvu. Kufuneka ihlale iyimeko yesithinteli engathathi hlangothi. Ukuba ayihlali injalo, asazi ukuba iya kukhokelela phi. Asazi nangoku, kodwa inokuphela kwiMfazwe yeHlabathi yesiThathu.

NgoFebruwari kunyaka ophelileyo, nguPutin owagqiba ukuhlasela.

Uphehlelele into asayibiza ngokuba “ngumsebenzi womkhosi okhethekileyo”. Wayisungula ngesiseko sezizathu zokuba ukuba ndibaqonde kakuhle: 1. Sifuna ukumisa ukubulawa kwabantu abathetha isiRashiya baseDonbas. 2. Sifuna ukulwa neNazism e-Ukraine. Kukho intombazana ekwishumi elivisayo yaseUkraine, uAlina, endayibhalela iileta ezinde: “Ndiyakuva. Ndiyayiqonda intlungu yakho.” Undiphendule, wabulela, kodwa wagxininisa, ndiqinisekile ukuba uphosisile ngento enye, "Ndiqinisekile ukuba akukho maNazi e-Ukraine ngama-200%." Ndaphinda ndaphendula ndathi, “Uxolo Alina, kodwa awuchananga ngaloo nto. Ungahlala njani eUkraine kwaye ungazi?"

Akukho bungqina bokuba kukho ukubulawa kwabantu eUkraine. Kwangelo xesha, uPutin uye wagxininisa ngokuphindaphindiweyo ukuba ufuna ukubuyisela i-Ukraine kubukumkani bakhe. UPutin uxelele owayesakuba nguChancellor waseJamani u-Angela Merkel ukuba olona suku lubuhlungu ebomini bakhe lwalungo-1989, xa iSoviet Union yawa.

Ingaba igama elithi “Ukraine” aliveli kwigama lesiRashiya elithi “Borderland”? Yayiyinxalenye yeRashiya kunye neSoviet Union ixesha elide. Yimbali enzima. Ngexesha leMfazwe Yehlabathi yesiBini, ndiyakholelwa ukuba kwakukho inxalenye enkulu yabemi basentshona yeUkraine abaye bagqiba ekubeni basebenzisane namaNazi. Abulala amaYuda, amaRomany, amakomanisi, naye nabani na ongomnye uRhulumente Wesithathu owayefuna ukufa. Ukuza kuthi ga namhlanje kukho impixano phakathi kwe-Western Ukraine (Nganye okanye ngaphandle kwamaNazi u-Alina) kunye neMpuma I-Donbas) kunye ne-Southern (eCrimea) e-Ukraine kwaye baninzi abantu base-Ukraine abathetha isiRashiya kuba yayiyinxalenye yeRashiya iminyaka engamakhulu. Unokuyicombulula njani ingxaki enjalo? Ayinakwenziwa nokuba ngurhulumente waseKiev okanye ngamaRashiya aphumeleleyo. UPutin uhlala egxininisa ukuba akanamdla wokuthatha i-Ukraine yasentshona - okanye ukuhlasela iPoland okanye naliphi na ilizwe ngaphesheya komda. Into ayithethayo kukuba: ufuna ukukhusela abantu abathetha isiRashiya kwezo ndawo zaseUkraine apho abantu abathetha isiRashiya baziva besongelwa ngasekunene okuphenjelelwe nguMaidan Coup Governments eKiev. Ubhukuqo-mbuso olwamkelwa ngokubanzi njengoluqulunqwe yi-US.

Sithethe nabantu abaninzi baseUkraine abanokubonisa ngenye indlela. I-US inokuthi incedise ukuxhasa uqhanqalazo luka-2014. Kodwa ngokubanzi, imithombo ethembekileyo kunye neengxelo zokuzibonela zibonisa ukuba uqhanqalazo lwavela ngaphakathi - ngentando yabantu baseUkraine.

Ndiyazibuza ukuba ngabaphi abantu baseUkraine othethe nabo? Ndiyakwazi ukucinga ukuba abanye bathi. Kwelinye icala lengqekembe uninzi lwabantu baseUkraine eCrimea kunye neDonbass ivotele kwireferenda ukuba baphinde bajoyine iRussian Federation.

NgoFebruwari, wamangaliswa kukuba uPutin wahlasela iUkraine. Unokuqiniseka njani ukuba akayi kuhambela phambili? Ukuthembela kwakho eRashiya akubonakali ngathi kuphelile, phezu kwayo nje imfazwe yogonyamelo yaseRashiya eyaphalala igazi.

Ndinokuqiniseka njani ukuba i-US ayizukuba semngciphekweni wokuqalisa imfazwe yenyukliya neTshayina? Sele bexhokonxa amaTshayina ngokuphazamisana neTaiwan. Bangathanda ukutshabalalisa iRashiya kuqala. Nabani na one-IQ ngaphezu kweqondo lokushisa kwegumbi uyayiqonda loo nto, xa befunda iindaba, kwaye amaMerika ayavuma.

Uyabacaphukisa abantu abaninzi kuba ihlala ivakala ngathi ukhusela uPutin.

Xa kuthelekiswa neBiden, ndinjalo. Izixhokonxa zase-US/NATO ngaphambi kukaFebruwari 2022 zazigqithise kwaye zonakalise kakhulu umdla wabo bonke abantu abaqhelekileyo baseYurophu.

Ngaba awuzukuyikwaya iRashiya?

Ndicinga ukuba ayinamveliso. Uhlala eYurophu: Ibiza malini i-US ngokuziswa kwegesi? Imali ephindwe kahlanu kunaleyo ihlawulwa ngabemi bayo. ENgilani, abantu ngoku bathi "yitya okanye shushu" - kuba iindawo ezihlwempuzekileyo zabemi abanakukwazi ukutshisa amakhaya abo. Oorhulumente baseNtshona bafanele baqonde ukuba sonke singabazalwana noodade. KwiMfazwe Yehlabathi yesiBini babona okwenzekayo xa bezama ukulwa neRashiya. Baya kumanyana kwaye balwe ukuya kwi-ruble yokugqibela kunye nemitha yokugqibela yesikwere somhlaba ukukhusela ilizwe labo. Kanye njengokuba nabani na. Ndicinga ukuba i-US inokukholisa abemi bayo kunye nawe kunye nabanye abantu abaninzi, ukuba iRashiya lutshaba lokwenyani, kwaye uPutin nguHitler omtsha baya kuba nexesha elilula lokweba kumahlwempu ukunika izityebi kwaye baqale kwaye ukukhuthaza iimfazwe ezininzi, njengale mfazwe yommeli eUkraine. Mhlawumbi oko kubonakala ngathi yimeko yezopolitiko egqithisileyo kuwe, kodwa mhlawumbi imbali endiyifundileyo kunye neendaba endizithathayo zahluke nje kuwe. Awunakukholelwa yonke into oyibona kumabonakude okanye oyifunda emaphepheni. Ekuphela kwento endizama ukuyiphumeza ngorekhodo lwam olutsha, iingxelo kunye nemidlalo yam kukuba abazalwana noodadewethu abanegunya banqande imfazwe-kwaye abantu bayayiqonda into yokuba abazalwana noodade bethu baseRashiya abaphili phantsi kolawulo lobuzwilakhe olucinezelayo, njengawe. ndenze eJamani okanye ndenza e-US. Ndithetha ukuba ngaba besiya kukhetha ukuqhubeka nokuxhela abantu abancinci baseUkraine kunye namaRussia ukuba besinamandla okukumisa?

Singalwenza olu dliwano-ndlebe, e-Russia oku bekungayi kuba lula kangako… Kodwa ukubuyela e-Ukraine: Singathini isiphakamiso sakho esichasayo sezopolitiko kumgaqo-nkqubo onentsingiselo wase-Ukraine waseNtshona?

Kufuneka sifumane zonke iinkokeli zethu etafileni kwaye sibanyanzele ukuba bathi: "Akusekho mfazwe!". Iya kuba yindawo apho incoko yababini inokuqala khona.

Ngaba unokucinga ukuba uhlala eRashiya?

Ewe, kakade, kutheni kungenjalo? Bekuya kuba njalo nakubamelwane bam balapha emazantsi eNgilani. Singaya kwindawo yentengiso kwaye sithethe ngokuphandle – ukuba nje abayi emfazweni babulale abantu baseMelika okanye abantu baseUkraine. Konke kulungile? Ngalo lonke ixesha singakwazi ukuthengiselana, sithengiselana ngegesi, siqiniseke ukuba sifudumele ebusika, silungile. AmaRashiya awafani nawe kunye nam: kukho abantu abalungileyo kwaye kukho idiots - njengayo yonke indawo.

Ngoko kutheni ungadlali imiboniso eRashiya?

Hayi ngenxa yezizathu zengcamango. Akunakwenzeka okwangoku. Andiyilahli iRussia, iya kuba yintlekisa loo nto. Ndidlala imiboniso engama-38 e-USA. Ukuba bendinokwala naliphi na ilizwe ngezizathu zopolitiko, ibiya kuba yi-US. Abona bahlaseli baphambili.

Ukuba umntu ubheka ingxabano ngokungathathi hlangothi, umntu unokubona uPutin njengomhlaseli. Ucinga ukuba sonke sihlanjwe ingqondo?

Ewe, ndenza njalo, ngokuqinisekileyo. Uhlanjwe ingqondo, utsho.

Kuba sisebenzisa amajelo asentshona?

Ngokuchanekileyo. Into exelelwa ngumntu wonke eNtshona yingxelo “yohlaselo olungaphendukiyo”. Huh? Nabani na onesiqingatha sobuchopho unokubona ukuba impixano yaseUkraine yacatshukiswa ngaphaya komlinganiselo. Isenokuba lolona hlaselo lukhe lwacaphuka.

Xa iikonsathi zasePoland zarhoxiswayo ngenxa yeengxelo zakho ngemfazwe yaseUkraine, ngaba uye waziva ungaqondwanga?

Ewe. Eli linyathelo elikhulu lokubuyela umva. Le yimbonakaliso yeRussophobia. Abantu basePoland ngokucacileyo bachanabeke ngokufanayo kubuxoki baseNtshona. Ndingathanda ukuthi kubo: Ningabazalwana noodade, celani iinkokeli zenu ukuba ziphelise imfazwe ukuze sime okomzuzwana sicinge: “Yeyantoni le mfazwe?”. Imalunga nokwenza izityebi zamazwe aseNtshona zityebe ngakumbi kwaye amahlwempu kuyo yonke indawo ahlwempuzeke ngakumbi. Okuchasene noRobin Hood. UJeff Bezos unemali ejikeleze i-200 yeebhiliyoni zeedola, ngelixa amawaka abantu baseWashington DC kuphela bahlala kwiibhokisi zekhadibhodi esitratweni.

Abantu baseUkraine bema ngeenyawo ukukhusela ilizwe labo. Uninzi lwabantu baseJamani luyibona ngolo hlobo, yiyo loo nto intetho yakho ibangela ukothuka, nokuba nomsindo. Iimbono zakho ngoSirayeli zidibana nokugxekwa okufanayo apha. Yiyo loo nto ngoku kukho ingxoxo malunga nokuba iikonsathi zakho eJamani kufuneka zirhoxiswe. Usabela njani kuloo nto?

Owu, uyazi, ngabaphembeleli beLobby yase-Israel abanjengoMalca Goldstein-Wolf abafuna loo nto. Yinto isidenge. Sele bezamile ukurhoxisa ikonsathi yam eCologne ngo-2017 kwaye bafumana nezikhululo zikanomathotholo zasekhaya ukuba zingenelele.

Ngaba akukho lula ukubiza aba bantu njengezidenge?

Kakade ke, asingazo zonke izidenge. Kodwa mhlawumbi bafunda iBhayibhile kwaye mhlawumbi bakholelwa ukuba nabani na othetha ngokuchasene ne-fascism yase-Israel kwiLizwe eliNgcwele u-anti-Semite. Oko ayisosikhundla esilumkileyo sokuthatha, kuba ukwenza njalo kufuneka ukhanyele ukuba abantu babehlala ePalestina ngaphambi kokuba amaSirayeli azinze apho. Kuya kufuneka ulandele intsomi ethi, "Ilizwe elingenamntu wabantu abangenamhlaba." Bubuvuvu obunjani. Imbali apha icace gca. Unanamhla oku, abemi bomthonyama, abangamaYuda baliqaqobana. AmaSirayeli angamaYuda onke asuka eMpuma Yurophu okanye eUnited States.

Ukhe wathelekisa ilizwe lakwaSirayeli neJamani yamaNazi. Ngaba usamile kulo mzekeliso?

Ewe kunjalo. AmaSirayeli abulala uhlanga. Kanye njengokuba iGreat Britain yenza ngexesha lethu lobukoloniyali, ngendlela. Ngokomzekelo, amaBritani abulala abantu bomthonyama kuMntla Merika. Enjenjalo namaDatshi, amaSpanish, amaPhuthukezi namaJamani kumathanga awo. Zonke zaziyinxalenye yokungabikho kokusesikweni ngexesha lamathanga. Kwaye thina, amaBhritane sabulala kwaye saphanga eIndiya, eMzantsi-mpuma Asia, eTshayina…. Sasikholelwa ukuba siphezulu ngemvelo kunabantu bomthonyama, njengoko esenza amaSirayeli ePalestina. Ewe, sasingengawo kwaye ingengawo amaYuda akwaSirayeli.

Njengendoda yeNgesi, unombono owahluke kakhulu kwimbali yeLizwe lakwaSirayeli kunathi maJamani. EJamani, ukugxekwa kukaSirayeli kusingathwa ngobulumko ngezizathu ezifanelekileyo; IJamani inetyala lembali ekufuneka ilizwe liphile.

Ndiyiqonda kakuhle loo nto kwaye kudala ndizama ukujongana nayo iminyaka engama-20. Kodwa kum, ityala lakho, njengoko ulibekayo, ukuba netyala kwakho kwesizwe ngento eyenziwa ngamaNazi phakathi ko-1933 no-1945, akufuneki ukuba ifune uluntu lonke ukuba luhambe luqhwanyaza malunga noSirayeli. Ngaba bekungayi kuba ngcono ukuba kunokukhuthaza ukuba ulahle konke ukuqhwanyaza kwaye uxhase amalungelo oluntu alinganayo kubo bonke abantakwenu noodadewenu kwihlabathi liphela kungakhathaliseki ukuba baluphi uhlanga okanye uhlanga?

Ngaba uyalithandabuza ilungelo likaSirayeli lokuphila?

Ngokombono wam, u-Israyeli unelungelo lokuphila logama nje eyidemokhrasi yokwenene, ukuba nje akukho qela, inkolo okanye uhlanga, lixhamla amalungelo oluntu ngaphezu kwalo naliphi na elinye. Kodwa ngelishwa yiloo nto kanye eyenzekayo kwaSirayeli nasePalestine. Urhulumente uthi ngabantu abangamaYuda kuphela abafanele banandiphe amalungelo athile. Ngoko ke ayinakuchazwa njengedemokhrasi. Bavuleleke kakhulu ngayo, ibhalwe kumthetho wakwaSirayeli. Ngoku kukho abantu abaninzi eJamani, kwaye ngokuqinisekileyo abantu abaninzi abangamaYuda kwaSirayeli, abavulekele ibali elahlukileyo malunga noSirayeli. Kwiminyaka engamashumi amabini eyadlulayo, sasingenako ukuba nencoko malunga neLizwe lakwa-Israel apho amagama embubhiso nocalucalulo ayekhankanywa khona. Ngoku ndingatsho ukuba awukwazi ukwenza loo ncoko ngaphandle kokusebenzisa loo magama, kuba achaza ngokuchanekileyo ubunyani bendawo ehlaselweyo. Ndiyibona ngokucacileyo ngakumbi nangakumbi ekubeni ndibe yinxalenye yentshukumo ye-BDS (i-Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions against Israel, ed.).

Ucinga ukuba bangavumelana nawe apha eNgilani?

Andinakutsho ngokuqinisekileyo kuba andizange ndihlale apha kule minyaka iyi-20 idlulileyo. Bekuzofuneka ndihle ndiye kwindawo yentselo ndithethe nabantu. Kodwa ndiyakrokra ngakumbi nangakumbi baya kuvumelana nam yonke imihla. Ndinabahlobo abaninzi abangamaJuda – ngendlela – abavumelana nam ngentliziyo epheleleyo, sesinye sezizathu ezibangela ukuba kuphambane ukuzama ukundinyelisa njengomthiyi womYuda. Ndinomhlobo omnye osenyongweni waseNew York, ongumYuda, owathi kum ngenye imini, “Kwiminyaka embalwa edlulileyo, bendicinga ukuba uphambene, bendicinga ukuba uphulukene nayo ngokupheleleyo. Ngoku ndiyabona ukuba ubunyanisile kwimigaqo-nkqubo yelizwe lakwaSirayeli- kwaye thina, uluntu lwamaJuda e-US, besingalunganga. ” Umhlobo wam e-NY wayekhathazekile ngokucacileyo ethetha la mazwi, uyindoda elungileyo.

Izikhundla ze-BDS zivunywe yi-Bundestag yaseJamani. Impumelelo yentshukumo ye-BDS ekugqibeleni ingathetha ukuphela kwelizwe lakwaSirayeli. Ngaba ubona ngenye indlela?

Ewe, uSirayeli wayenokuyitshintsha imithetho yakhe. Basenokuthi: Siyitshintshile ingqondo yethu, abantu bavumelekile ukuba babe namalungelo nokuba bangengomaYuda. Inokuba yiyo loo nto, ke asisayi kufuna i-BDS kwakhona.

Ngaba ulahlekelwe ngabahlobo ngenxa yokuba usebenza kwi-BDS?

Inika umdla ukuba ubuze oko. Andazi ncam, kodwa ndiyathandabuza kakhulu. Ubuhlobo yinto enamandla. Ndingathi ndikhe ndanabahlobo bokwenene abamalunga neshumi ebomini bam. Andikwazanga ukuphulukana nomhlobo ngenxa yeembono zam zopolitiko, kuba abahlobo bayathandana – kwaye ubuhlobo buzala ukuthetha, nokuthetha kuvelisa ukuqonda. Ukuba umhlobo wayenokuthi, "Roger, ndikubonile ubhabha ihagu e-inflatable kunye neNkwenkwezi kaDavide kuyo ngexesha leekhonsathi zakho zeWall!", Ndiyabachazela umxholo kwaye akukho nto i-anti-Semitic inenjongo okanye ibonakaliswe.

Uthini umongo ke ngoko?

Oko kwakungexesha lengoma ethi "Goodbye Blue Sky" kumboniso we "The Wall". Kwaye ukucacisa umxholo, ubona iibhombu ze-B-52, kwisikrini esisetyhula emva kwebhendi, kodwa aziwisanga iibhombu, ziwisa iisimboli: Iimpawu zeedola, iiCrucifixes, iHammer kunye neSickles, iNkwenkwezi kunye neCrescents, uphawu lweMcDonalds - kunye neNkwenkwezi kaDavide. Esi sisigculelo semidlalo yeqonga, imbonakalo yenkolelo yam yokuba ukukhulula ezi ngcamango, okanye iimveliso ebantwini emhlabeni, sisenzo sogonyamelo, esichasene nobuntu, isichasi sokudala uthando noxolo phakathi kwethu bazalwana noodade. Ndithi kwizandla ezingalunganga zonke ingcamango ezi mpawu zimele zinokuba bubi.

Ithini imbono yakho? Ngaba uyi-anarchist - ngokuchasene naluphi na uhlobo lwamandla abantu abawasebenzisayo phezu komnye?

Ndizibiza ngokuba ndingumntu, ummi wehlabathi. Yaye ukunyaniseka kwam nentlonipho yam yeyabantu bonke, kungakhathaliseki ukuba bavela phi, uhlanga okanye inkolo.

Ubungavuma na kwaSirayeli namhla, ukuba bayakuvumela?

Hayi, akunjalo. Oko kuya kuba kukunqumla umgca wokupiketha. Sekuyiminyaka ndibhalela oogxa babo kwishishini lomculo iileta ndizama ukubaqinisekisa ukuba bangenzi kwaSirayeli. Ngamanye amaxesha abavumelani, bathi, "Kodwa le yindlela yokwenza uxolo, kufuneka siye apho kwaye sizame ukubaqinisekisa ukuba benze uxolo" Ewe sonke sinelungelo loluvo lwethu, kodwa kwi-2005 yonke i-Palestinian Civil Society yandibuza. ukubukela ukwala inkcubeko, kwaye ndingubani mna ukuba ndingaxelela uluntu luphela oluphila phantsi kwemisebenzi ekhohlakeleyo endiyazi ngcono kunabo.

Kuyacaphukisa kakhulu ukuthi ungadlala eMoscow kodwa hayi kwaSirayeli.

Kuyathakazelisa ukuba utsho ukuba iMoscow ayiqhubeki urhulumente wocalucalulo ngokusekelwe kwimbubhiso yabemi bomthonyama.

ERashiya, amaqela eentlanga acalulwa kakhulu. Phakathi kwezinye izinto, abantu abaninzi abangengobemi baseRashiya bathunyelwa emfazweni kunabaseRashiya bobuzwe.

Kubonakala ngathi undicela ukuba ndibone iRussia kwimbono yangoku yaseRusso phobic. Ndikhetha ukuyibona ngokwahlukileyo, nangona benditshilo ukuba andithethi isiRashiya okanye ndihlala eRashiya ngoko ndingaphandle.

Uyithanda njani into yokuba uPink Floyd urekhode isiqwenga esitsha okokuqala ngqa kwiminyaka engama-30 - kunye nomculi waseUkraine uAndrij Chlywnjuk?

Ndiyibonile le vidiyo kwaye andothukanga, kodwa ndiyifumene ngokwenene, ibuhlungu ngokwenene. Iyinto engaqhelekanga kum, esi senzo sisweleke kakhulu ebuntwini. Ikhuthaza ukuqhubeka kwemfazwe. UPink Floyd ligama endandikade ndinxulumana nalo. Elo yayilixesha elikhulu ebomini bam, into enkulu kakhulu. Ukunxulumanisa elo gama ngoku nento enje ... imfazwe yommeli indenza buhlungu. Ndithetha ukuthi, abakayingeni ndawo yokufuna ukuba, “Yekani imfazwe, yekani ukubulalana, hlanganisani iinkokeli zethu ukuze sithethe!” Kukuwangawangisa okungaphantsi komxholo weflegi eluhlaza netyheli. Ndabhala kwenye yeeleta zam ku-Ukrainian osemtsha u-Alina: Andiyi kuphakamisa iflegi kule ngxabano, kungekhona iflegi yase-Ukraine, kungekhona ifulegi yaseRashiya, kungekhona iflegi yase-US.

Emva kokuwa koDonga, wenze “uDonga” eBerlin edityanisiweyo, ngokuqinisekileyo nolindelo olunethemba lwekamva. Ubucinga ukuba nawe ungafaka isandla kwelikamva ngobugcisa bakho, wenze umahluko?

Ewe, ndiyakholwa ukuba kude kube namhlanje. Ukuba unemigaqo yezopolitiko kwaye ungumculi, ke le mimandla mibini idibene ngokungenakuqhathaniswa. Eso sesinye sezizathu zokuba ndimshiye uPink Floyd, ngendlela: bendinayo loo migaqo, eminye ibingenayo okanye ibinayo eyahlukileyo.

Ngaba ngoku uzibona njengemvumi elinganayo netshantliziyo lezopolitiko?

Ewe, ngamanye amaxesha ndiye ndoyame kwelinye, ngamanye amaxesha kwelinye.

Ngaba ukhenketho lwakho lwangoku ngenene luya kuba lutyelelo lwakho lokugqibela?

(Ehleka) Andazi. Ukhenketho lunomxholo ophantsi othi “UKhenketho Lokuvalelisa Lokuqala” kwaye liqhula elicacileyo elo kuba abadlali berock abadala basebenzisa rhoqo uKhenketho lweFarewell njengesixhobo sokuthengisa. Emva koko ngamanye amaxesha baye bathathe umhlala-phantsi kwaye ngamanye amaxesha baye kolunye uKhenketho lokugqibela loFarewell, konke kulungile.

Ngaba ufuna ukuqhubeka uthumela into ehlabathini, yenza umahluko?

Ndiyawuthanda umculo omnandi, ndiyawuthanda uncwadi olumnandi – ngakumbi isiNgesi nesiRashiya, kwakunye nesiJamani. Yiyo loo nto ndithanda umbono wokuba abantu baqaphele kwaye baqonde into endiyenzayo.

Ngoko kutheni ungabambeleli ngeengxelo zezopolitiko?

Kuba ndiyilento ndiyiyo. Ukuba bendingenguye lo mntu uneenkolelo eziqinileyo kwezopolitiko ngendingazange ndibhale “Icala Elimnyama leNyanga”, “Udonga”, “Akwaba Ubulapha”, “Ukonwabele Ukufa” nazo zonke ezinye izinto. .

Enkosi kakhulu ngodliwano-ndlebe.