by INdemokhrasi ngoku, Septemba 1, 2021
Ividiyo epheleleyo apha: https://www.democracynow.org/shows/2021/8/31?autostart=true
Njengokuba iUnited States iphelisa ubukho bayo kwezomkhosi eAfghanistan emva kweminyaka engama-20 yokuhlala kunye nemfazwe, iindleko zeProjekthi yeMfazwe ziqikelela ukuba zichithe ngaphezulu kwe- $ 2.2 trillion eAfghanistan nasePakistan, kwaye ngokokubala, ngaphezulu kwabantu abayi-170,000 babhubha ngexesha lomlo kwezi zimbini zidlulileyo. amashumi eminyaka. U-Kathy Kelly, umlweli woxolo wexesha elide oye e-Afghanistan amatyeli aliqela kwaye uququzelele umkhankaso we-Ban Killer Drones, uthi kuyakubaluleka ukugcina kugxilwe kwilizwe jikelele kubantu base-Afghanistan. UKelly uthi: "Wonke umntu e-United States nakuwo onke amazwe athe ahlasela ahlala e-Afghanistan kufuneka enze impindezelo." Ayisiyiyo kuphela imbuyekezo yembuyekezo ngenxa yentshabalalo eyoyikekayo, kodwa ikwajongana… neenkqubo zemfazwe ekufuneka zibekelwe bucala kwaye zichithwe. ”
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Yi le Intando yeninzi Ngoku!, democracynow.org, Ingxelo Yemfazwe Nezoxolo. Ndingu-Amy Goodman, noJuan González.
Imikhosi yase-US kunye noonozakuzaku bemkile e-Afghanistan kanye phambi kobusuku ezinzulwini zobusuku eKabul ngoMvulo ebusuku. Ngelixa intshukumo ichazwa njengesiphelo semfazwe emide kwimbali yase-US, abanye bayalumkisa ukuba imfazwe ayinakuphela. NgeCawa, uNobhala welizwe u-Tony Blinken uvele Ukudibanisa i-Press kwaye yaxoxa ngobuchule base-US bokuqhubeka nokuhlasela i-Afghanistan emva kokuba imikhosi irhoxile.
UNOBHALA OF STATE antony BLINKEN: Sinamandla okujikeleza ilizwe liphela, kubandakanya ne-Afghanistan, ukuthatha-ukufumana kunye nokuthatha uqhankqalazo ngokuchasene nabanqolobi abafuna ukusenzakalisa. Kwaye njengokuba uyazi, kwilizwe emva kwelinye, kubandakanya iindawo ezinjengeYemen, njengeSomalia, iindawo ezinkulu zaseSyria, iLibya, iindawo apho singenazihlangu emhlabeni nangaluphi na uhlobo oluqhubekayo, sinamandla okulandela abantu abazama ukusenzakalisa. Siza kugcina amandla e-Afghanistan.
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Buyela ngo-Epreli, The New York Times umbiko I-United States kulindeleke ukuba iqhubeke ixhomekeke kwisicatshulwa, "indibaniselwano eyimfihlakalo yemikhosi yokuSebenza ngokufihlakeleyo, iikontraki zePentagon kunye neenkqubo zokufihla ulwazi" ngaphakathi e-Afghanistan. Akucaci ukuba zitshintshe njani ezi zicwangciso kulandela ukuthatha iTaliban.
Ngaphezulu, sijoyine eChicago ngumzabalazo woxolo wexesha elide uKathy Kelly. Utyunjwe kwi-Nobel Peace Prize kaninzi. Utyelele eAfghanistan amatyeli aliqela.
Kathy, wamkelekile kwakhona Intando yeninzi Ngoku! Ngaba ungaqala ngokuphendula kwinto ethandwa eendaba e-US njengoko eyona mfazwe inde kwimbali yase-US iphelile?
UKUZALWA KELLY: Ewe, uAnn Jones wayekhe wabhala incwadi enesihloko Imfazwe ayikho ngaphezu kwexesha. Ngokuqinisekileyo, kubantu base-Afghanistan, abaye bahlupheka yile mfazwe, ngemeko yembalela eyoyikekayo iminyaka emibini, isandi sesithathu Covid, ezoqoqosho ezoyikekayo, basasokola kakhulu.
Kwaye ukubethwa kwe-drone, ndiyacinga, luphawu lokuba -ezona zigwayimbo zamva nje ze-drone, ukuba i-United States ayikabeki ecaleni injongo yayo yokuqhubeka nokusebenzisa oko bakubiza ngokuba kukunyanzelwa kunye nokuchaneka, kodwa oko uDaniel Hale, osentolongweni ngoku , ubonise iipesenti ezingama-90 zexesha engakhange abethe amaxhoba ekujongwe kuwo. Kwaye oku kuya kubangela iminqweno emininzi yokuziphindezela nokuziphindezela nokuphalaza igazi.
JUAN GONZÁLEZ: Kwaye, Kathy, bendifuna ukukubuza, malunga noku - ngaba ucinga ukuba abantu baseMelika bazakufumana ezona zifundo zibalaseleyo kule meko imbi kangaka eAfghanistan, oku koyiswa okucacileyo kweMelika kunye nomsebenzi wayo? Emva kokuba sibonile ngoku kangangeminyaka engama-70 umkhosi wase-US usetyenzisiwe kule misebenzi, ukusuka eKorea ukuya eVietnam ukuya eLibya ukuya-kwiiBalkan kuphela kwento i-US enokuthi ihlele ibango njengoloyiso. Kubekho intlekele emva kwentlekele, ngoku eyi-Afghanistan. Sisiphi isifundo onethemba lokuba abantu bethu banokufunda kule misebenzi yoyikekayo?
UKUZALWA KELLY: Ewe, uJuan, uyazi, ndicinga ukuba amazwi ka-Abraham Heschel ayasebenza: Abanye banetyala; bonke banoxanduva lokuphendula. Ndicinga ukuba wonke umntu e-United States nakuwo onke amazwe athe ahlasela ahlala e-Afghanistan kufanele ukuba enze imbuyekezo kwaye ayifune ngenene loo nto, hayi kuphela ukubuyisa imali ngentshabalalo eyoyikekayo ebangelwe, kodwa kwanokujongana neenkqubo osele uzikhankanyile kumazwe ngamazwe, iinkqubo zemfazwe ekufuneka zibekelwe bucala kwaye zichithwe. Esi sisifundo endicinga ukuba abantu baseMelika kufuneka basifunde. Kodwa, uyazi, bekukho ingxelo ngaphezulu kwezi veki zimbini zidlulileyo ngamajelo eendaba ase-Afghanistan kunokuba bekukho kule minyaka ingama-20 idlulileyo, kwaye ke abantu abaphantsi koonondaba malunga nokuqonda iziphumo zeemfazwe zethu.
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Awukho kwishishini, uKathy, wokuncoma abongameli base-US xa kufikwa emfazweni. Kwaye lo yayingumongameli wase-US emva kwenye, ndicinga ukuba, ubuncinci, iyonke. Ngaba ucinga ukuba uBiden wayenenkalipho kwezopolitiko xa ekhupha, esidlangalaleni, umkhosi wokugqibela wase-US, ifoto ethunyelwe yi-Pentagon, ngokufika jikelele komthuthi wokugqibela ehamba?
UKUZALWA KELLY: Ndicinga ukuba uMongameli Biden uthe uzokuya ngokuchasene nesicelo soMkhosi Womoya wase-United States sokuba enze i-10 yezigidigidi zeedola ukwenza uhlaselo oluphezulu, ibiya kuba luhlobo lwesibindi kwezopolitiko ekufuneka silubonile. Sifuna umongameli oza kuma kwiinkampani ezenza isivumelwano semikhosi ezenza amawaka ezigidi ngokuthengisa izixhobo zazo, kwaye athi, "Sigqibile ngayo yonke loo nto." Olo luhlobo lwesibindi sezopolitiko esisifunayo.
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Kwaye uhlaselo oluphezulu, kubantu abangalaziyo eli gama, ukuba lithetha ntoni, i-US imiselwe njani ukuhlasela i-Afghanistan ngoku ivela ngaphandle?
UKUZALWA KELLY: Ewe, i-10 yezigidigidi zeedola eceliwe nguMkhosi woMoya wase-US iya kugcina ukubekwa kweliso kunye nokuhlaselwa kwamandla e-drone kunye nomthamo wenqwelomoya e-Kuwait, e-United Arab Emirates, e-Qatar nakwinqwelomoya nakumbindi wolwandle. Kwaye ke, oku kuyakuhlala kusenza ukuba i-United States iqhubeke nokuhlasela, ihlala ingabantu abangajoliswanga kumaxhoba, kwaye ithi nakwamanye amazwe akummandla, "Siselapha."
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Siyabulela, Kathy, kakhulu ukuba kunye nathi. Imizuzwana elishumi kwimbuyekezo. Inokujongeka njani, xa usithi i-US inetyala lokuhlawulela abantu base-Afghanistan?
UKUZALWA KELLY: Isixa esikhulu semali esibekwe yi-US nayo yonke NATO amazwe kwiakhawunti yokungena, engayi kuba phantsi kolawulo okanye ukuhanjiswa kweMelika. I-United States sele ibonakalisile ukuba ayinakuyenza loo nto ngaphandle korhwaphilizo kunye nokusilela. Kodwa ndicinga ukuba kuya kufuneka sijonge kwi-UN kunye namaqela anegama lokwazi ukunceda abantu e-Afghanistan, emva koko babuyisele imali ngokudiliza inkqubo yemfazwe.
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: UKathy Kelly, umlweli woxolo wexesha elide kunye nombhali, elinye lamalungu aseka iiVoices entlango, kamva iiVoices for Creative Nonviolence, kunye nomququzeleli we-Ban Killer Drones campaign kunye nelungu World Beyond War. Ukhe waya eAfghanistan phantse amaxesha angama-30.
Emva koko, iNew Orleans ebumnyameni emva kweNkanyamba u-Ida. Hlala nathi.
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