Umdlali we-Oscar-ochongiweyo uJames Cromwell uthetha phandle ngaphambi kwexesha lokuvalelwa entolongweni ngoKhuphiso loXolo lokuXhasa

NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Umdlali otyunjwe ngu-Oscar uJames Cromwell uxela entolongweni ngo-4: 00 ntambama ngexesha laseMpuma namhlanje kumantla eNew York, emva kokugwetywa iveki emva kokuthatha inxaxheba kuqhanqalazo olungenabugebenga ngokuchasene nesikhululo samandla segesi yendalo. UCromwell uthi uzakusungula ugwayimbo lokulamba. Ungomnye wamatsha ntliziyo amathandathu ababanjelwe ukuvala izithuthi kwindawo yokuhlala ngaphandle kwesiza sokwakhiwa kwesikhululo seemegawathi ezingama-650 eWawayanda, eNew York, emantla, ngoDisemba ka-2015. kutshintsho lwemozulu.

UJames Cromwell waziwa kakhulu ngendima yakhe kwiifilimu zaseHollywood ezingama-50, ochongelwe iOscar kwi Babe, kunye nenani lothotho lweTV, kubandakanywa Ngeenyawo ezithandathu. Ndithethe naye ngoLwesine kunye nomnye wabamangalelwa naye abaya entolongweni namhlanje, ngokunjalo, uPramilla Malick, umseki we-Protect Orange County, iqela loluntu elikhokela inkcaso kwiziko lombane lerhasi eliqhekekileyo. Ubaleke ngo-2016 kwiSenate yelizwe laseNew York. Ndaqala ngokubuza uJames Cromwell malunga nokuba kutheni ezokuvalelwa namhlanje.

IJAMES CROMWELL: Thina, sonke, sibandakanyeka kumzabalazo, kungekhona ukukhusela indlela yokuphila, kodwa ukukhusela ubomi ngokwabo. Amaziko ethu akanamali. Iinkokeli zethu zibandakanyekile. Kwaye uluntu luphoxekile kwaye ludanile ngayo yonke le nkqubo. Kukho unxibelelwano oluthe ngqo phakathi kwesityalo kwiMinisink—

NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Iphi iMinisink?

IJAMES CROMWELL: Ku Wawayanda. Kumantla eNew York. Bayibiza ngokuba phezulu. Akukho kude kakhulu ngaphezu komda waseNew Jersey. Phakathi kweso sityalo kunye noMbindi Mpuma. Asikho emfazweni kuphela neIraq neSyria neAfghanistan neYemen. Sisemfazweni kunye neDimock, ePennsylvania, apho irhasi ivela khona, kunye noWawayanda, osebenzisa irhasi, kunye neSeneca Lake, apho yayiza kugcinwa khona, kunye neStanding Rock.

Kwaye lixesha, eneneni, ukubiza isifo. Uninzi lwabantu alukwazi ukubeka umnwe kunobangela wako, kodwa wonke umntu uyayibona isoyikiso. Ubungxowankulu ngumhlaza. Kwaye ekuphela kwendlela yokoyisa lo mhlaza kukutshintsha ngokupheleleyo, ngokupheleleyo indlela yethu yokuphila kunye nendlela yethu yokucinga ngathi. Kwaye loo nto ndiyibiza ngokuba yinguqu enkulu. Ke olu luvukelo.

I-NEMEEN I-SHAIKH: Ke, cacisa ukuba yintoni ikhonkco. Ubungxowankulu, uthi, ngunobangela wento eyenzekayo, i-US iyayenza, kuMbindi Mpuma, kwaye kwenzeka ntoni kumantla eNew York kunye neLiwa eliMeleyo njalo njalo.

IJAMES CROMWELL: Esi sityalo sakhiwe yinkampani enomdla kuphela kukwenza inzuzo. Akukho mfuneko yombane, kwaye indlela eveliswa ngayo amandla ayinakwenzeka ebomini ekuhlaleni. Kwaye ngoku, luluntu olufikelela kude, kuba luya kuba nefuthe nakubantu baseNew York. Yonke into ethe kratya ephuma kwezi ntsini zomsi ekugqibeleni iphelela kwisiXeko saseNew York. Ngoko wonke umntu uyachaphazeleka.

Ngoku, oko kwenziwa kuba sizama ukuba nokuzimela kwamandla. Loo mandla sizama ukuzimela kuwo yayiyirhasi neoli eyayivela kuMbindi Mpuma. Xa uMbindi Mpuma uqalisa ukuhambela phambili koorhulumente bedemokhrasi, urhulumente waseUnited States nabanye oorhulumente, iBritane, iFransi, onke amagunya obukoloniyali, athi, “Hayi, hayi, hayi. Awuhambi ngakwidemokhrasi, kuba ukuba ubheka kwidemokhrasi, usoyikisa ukufikelela kwethu kumandla akho. " Kwaye ke, bonakalisile, ngeendlela zabo ezikhohlakeleyo.

Kwaye ekugqibeleni, oko kukhokelele kwi-esiyidalileyo ISIS. Thina, baseMelika, sidale ISIS, ukuze silwe enye into-impazamo efanayo esayenzayo kunye ne-mujahideen e-Afghanistan. Oko kukukhusela imidla yethu esinayo. Ukuba ujonga uMnumzana Tillerson, uMnu. Tillerson uhleli kwisiqingatha setriliyoni yeedola zezivumelwano kunye namaRussia. Kwaye ke, unayo-

NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Xa wayekho CEO ye ExxonMobil.

IJAMES CROMWELL: Xa wayekho CEO, esalindileyo nangoku. Isenokuchaphazela inkampani yakhe. Unokuchaphazela inkampani yakhe, ngokukhawuleza nje ukuba ukuvalwa komsebenzi kususwe. Ke, ndithi kukho unxibelelwano, xa uthetha ngamandla. Amandla afuneka kwihlabathi liphela kwaye aveliswa kwiindawo ezithile kuphela. Ngoku sivelisa amandla ngokuvuthela umhlaba kwaye sibambe irhasi yemethane evalelekileyo, enokuchaphazeleka empilweni. Kwaye sithumela loo nto ngemibhobho. Eyona njongo yayo, nangona kunjalo, ayikokuxhobisa umzi-mveliso wamandla. Kukuthumela eKhanada ukuya kwi-liquefy, apho banokwenza ingeniso ephindwe kathandathu kwintengiso yaloo gesi kunaseUnited States.

NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Ngoko ke, makhe ndikubuze ukuba kwenzeka ntoni kanye kwiminyaka emibini eyadlulayo. Ndithetha ukuthi uzoya ejele ngoku, kodwa inyathelo owabandakanyeka kulo ngoJuni 2015. Sixelele ukuba waya phi kwaye wenze ntoni.

IJAMES CROMWELL: Besinoqhanqalazo lokuchola phambi kwalo mzi-mveliso ukhoyo- usakhiwa kule minyaka mibini inesiqingatha idlulileyo. Kwaye kwafikelela kwinqanaba—abantu abaninzi abadlulayo bavuma iimpondo zabo bexhasa, kodwa akuzange kwenzeke nto. Sizamile—

NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Kwaye esi sisityalo-

IJAMES CROMWELL: Siziko, iziko lamandla elisebenza ngerhasi eqhekekileyo, okuthetha ukuba bangenisa irhasi evela ePennsylvania.

NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Kwaye banjalo?

IJAMES CROMWELL: Ewe, yiyo-le yile-

NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Inkampani?

IJAMES CROMWELL: Ukhuphiswano lwaMashishini oMbane lwakha umzi-mveliso.

NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: CPV.

IJAMES CROMWELL: Kodwa kukho iMillennium Pipeline, leyo uPramilla azi ngakumbi ngayo, ngubani ongumnini wale nto. Ngokwenyani iphethwe ziinkampani ezintathu ezinkulu: iMitsubishi, iGE kunye neCredit Suisse. Ngoku, abo maqela mathathu makhulu ezizwe ngezizwe anokuba nomdla kangakanani kwesi sityalo, sinobukhulu obuphakathi, nangona sitshabalalisa? Eyona nto banomdla kuyo, sisandulela sezityalo ezifanayo ezingama-300. Ukuba esi sityalo sakhiwe kwaye sifumana i-intanethi, akukho sizathu sokungakhi ngaphezulu kwezi zityalo. Sikholelwa ukuba le kufuneka iyekwe, ukuba ufuna ukumisa yonke i-buildout yeziseko ezingundoqo ze-hydrofracking kunye nefuthe layo kwindawo yethu.

NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Wenza ntoni ke?

IJAMES CROMWELL: Ngokwesiseko seza nombono wokuzibophelela kunye. Sazibophelela ngamatyathanga kunye nezitshixo zeebhayisekile, saza savala umnyango womzi-mveliso kangangesithuba esimalunga nemizuzu engama-27, ngokotshutshiso. Kwaye ijaji kunye nomtshutshisi babonakala ngathi akwenzanga mahluko kwaphela kwinto eyenzekayo kwesi sityalo. Kodwa iyawenza umahluko. Into esizama ukuyikhupha ngumyalezo wokuba lo ngumzekelo omnye, kodwa uyenzeka kulo lonke eli lizwe nakwihlabathi liphela. Bayilwa eNgilani. Balwa kulo lonke ihlabathi.

I-NEMEEN I-SHAIKH: Ke, Pramilla, ungathetha malunga nokuba siyintoni na esi sityalo, ubandakanyeke njani kuqhanqalazo, ukuba esi sityalo senzelwe ntoni kwaye ucinga ukuba ifuthe lempilo yoluntu liya kuba yintoni, ukuba lakhiwe?

PRAMILLA UMALICK: Ke, eli liziko lamandla legesi eliqhekekileyo elingama-650 emegawathi. Kuya kuxhomekeka kwikhulu ukuya kwi-150 yamaqula aqhekekileyo ngonyaka. Ke siyazi ukuba, ePennsylvania, kukho-amazinga okubhubha kweentsana ayenyuka. Amazinga omhlaza ayanda. I-aquifers iyangcoliseka. Kodwa kunye naloo nto, iimpembelelo zempilo zihamba kuyo yonke inethiwekhi yeziseko zophuhliso. Ke ndihlala kufutshane nesikhululo secompressor, kwaye sele sizibhale phantsi iimpembelelo zempilo kwindawo endihlala kuyo, eMinisink, ukopha kweempumlo, intloko ebuhlungu, irhashalala, iimpawu zemithambo-luvo.

NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Kwaye oku kubangelwa yintoni?

PRAMILLA UMALICK: Ukuvezwa kwisikhululo segesi esiqhekekileyo, isikhululo se-Minisink compressor. Kwaye oku kubhalwe liqela lezazinzulu. Ke, uyazi, iteknoloji isentsha, kwaye abantu bayaqala—izazinzulu ziyabaleka zizama ukuqonda ukuba kwenzeka ntoni. Kodwa uluntu oluphambili, njengolwethu, siyayiva. Siyayibona. Siyazi ukuba kukho impembelelo yezempilo. Kwaye-

NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Kwaye ke, uzibandakanye njani nolu qhankqalazo lukaJuni ka-2015, kwaye wenze ntoni kanye kanye?

PRAMILLA UMALICK: Ewe, ndiye ndazivalela phantsi, kunye noJames Cromwell kunye noMadeline Shaw.

NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Kwaye uMadeline Shaw ungubani?

PRAMILLA UMALICK: Ngumntu osele ekhulile ohlala ekuhlaleni. Unexhala kakhulu kuba uvakalelwa kukuba kuza kufuneka alishiye ikhaya awayehlala kulo ukususela ngo-1949, ukuba esi sityalo sakhiwe.

NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: UJames ukhankanye iChibi laseSeneca. Ngoku, ngaba bekungekho uloyiso lwakutsha nje lweengcali zokusingqongileyo eziye zamisa indawo yokugcina apho?

PRAMILLA UMALICK: Ewe.

NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Kwaye oku kunxulumana njani nale nto uzama ukuyiyeka?

PRAMILLA UMALICK: Ewe, babekwimeko efanayo naleyo sasikuyo, ngengqiqo yokuba babandakanyeka kwinkqubo yolawulo, baphembelela, bamangalelana, babhenela kuwo onke amagosa abo anyuliweyo, kwaye abazange baye ndawo. Kwaye ngoko baqalisa ukubandakanyeka ekungathobelini uluntu. Kwaye ndicinga ukuba oko kwadala uxinzelelo olwaneleyo kwinkampani eyathi ekugqibeleni inkampani yasirhoxisa isicelo sayo kweso sixhobo sokugcina. Kodwa xa uvuma i-650-megawatt yesixhobo samandla segesi esiqhekeziweyo-kwaye ndikhumbuza abantu ukuba oku-oku kuvunyiwe ngurhulumente waseNew York, yiRhuluneli yethu uCuomo, owavala ukuqhekeka, ecaphula ifuthe elibi kwezempilo, kodwa wavuma esi sityalo. eya kuphembelela kwaye ixhomekeke kumawaka amaqula amatsha aqhekekileyo ebomini bayo. Asifuni kwaphela lo mzi-mveliso wamandla. Kodwa kuyakhiwa kunjalo.

Kwaye, uyazi, yiprojekthi yeebhiliyoni zeedola. Kodwa iya kusixabisa, ngokutsho kwezazinzulu-kwaye yiyo le nto siye sabandakanyeka ekungathobelini uluntu, kwaye saba nolingo apho sakwazi ukuzisa izazinzulu ukuba zingqine. Kuya kubiza uluntu i-940 yezigidi zeedola ngonyaka kwiindleko zokhathalelo lwempilo kunye neendleko zeziseko zophuhliso kunye nezinye iindleko zoqoqosho. Kwaye iza kwandisa ukukhutshwa kwerhasi yegreenhouse kurhulumente wethu ngaphezulu kwe-10 pesenti kulo lonke icandelo lamandla lelizwe laseNew York.

NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: James Cromwell, ngewusandul’ ukuhlawula isohlwayo, kodwa ukhetha ukuya entolongweni. Uzakuya ejele ixesha elingakanani? Kwaye kutheni uyenza le nto?

IJAMES CROMWELL: Sagwetywa iintsuku ezisixhenxe. Kuxhomekeke kwingqiqo yeziko ukuba sisebenza ixesha elingakanani na. Ngamanye amaxesha uyehla ngenxa yokuziphatha kakuhle. Andinaluvo. Ndilungiselela iintsuku ezisixhenxe. Isizathu sokuba ndiyenze yayikukuba, andinakuthethelela intswela-bulungisa yento endicinga ukuba yayisisigwebo esingalunganga ngokupheleleyo nesilula. Kwaye ke, ndicinga ukuba ukuya entolongweni yingxelo malunga nendlela ekufuneka siwuphakamise ngayo umdlalo wethu. Akusalunganga ukuchola nokubongoza, kuba akukho mntu umamelayo. Indlela abantu abawukhupha ngayo umyalezo kukuba wenza isenzo sokungathobeli. Yinto eyenziwa nguTim DeChristopher, abaninzi—bonke abantu baseStanding Rock. Leyo yayiyinjongo yeLiwa Elimileyo. Ukucaca kweLiwa eliLime yayingamadoda amakhulu—kuba ndandilapho—abadala besithi, “Le yinkampu yokuthandaza.” Ngamanye amazwi, iphuma kumoya wethu ongaphakathi. Kufuneka siwutshintshe lo moya wangaphakathi. Kufuneka sitshintshe ubudlelwane bethu kunye neplanethi kunye nabantu abahlala kulo mhlaba, kuquka nabantu abasichasayo. Ke, ndiyakholwa ukuba, ngendlela yethu encinci, yintetho le siyenzayo. Eli lixesha lokunyusa umdlalo. Eli lixesha lokujongana nonobangela osisiseko wesifo sethu.

NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Bendifuna nokukubuza malunga noluvo lwakho malunga nabantu abanengxaki yokubiza ubungxowankulu njengomhlaza.

IJAMES CROMWELL: Ewe.

NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Kuvakala ngathi isicatshulwa sika-Edward Abbey: "Ukukhula ngenxa yokukhula yingcamango yeseli yomhlaza."

IJAMES CROMWELL: Ukuchaneka.

NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Ngokusingqongileyo, uthatha ubungxowankulu.

IJAMES CROMWELL: Ewe.

NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Ayizizo zonke izazi ngendalo ezenzayo. Ngaba unokuphawula ngaloo nto?

IJAMES CROMWELL: Andikwazi ukuthetha ngabo bonke abo bakholelwa kwindalo esingqongileyo. Ndicinga ukuba yonke imiba-zonke izinto ezisikhathazayo ziqala. Siyinkcubeko etyekele ekufeni, ngokuthi “ukufa” okuthetha ukuba into ebekiweyo—into ephambili—luluphi ulwimi esithetha ngalo lulwimi lwasemarikeni. Yonke into iyathengiswa. Yonke into ilungisiwe. Kwaye oko kukwenzayo-kwaye ke, ngokuqinisekileyo, kufuneka udale isixa esikhulu senzuzo, oku kuthetha ukuba kufuneka ucinezele abasebenzi. Kufuneka ucinezele iindleko zezinto zakho zendalo. Kuya kufuneka ulawule iindawo zakho zempembelelo, ukuze iChina ingapheli kunye nayo yonke i-oyile yase-Iran okanye yase-Iraq. Ke ngoko, ngoko nangoko, olu hlobo lokucinga lukhokelela kuhlobo lokujongana ngezikhondo zamehlo esidibana nalo kuyo yonke indawo.

Ukuba sijonga ngaphezulu-ukuba siyavuma ukuba si-umlutha wethu kula mandla, umlutha wethu kwindlela yethu yokuphila, into esiyithatha njengento eqhelekileyo kweli lizwe, ngandlela-thile-sinoxanduva. Ukuba siyalwamkela olo xanduva, olungafaniyo nokutyholwa—ukuba siyalwamkela olo xanduva, ngoko ke sinokuyitshintsha le nto ngokuqaphela into ekufuneka siyitshintshe yindlela esinxulumana ngayo nendalo, kwezinye izidalwa ezineemvakalelo, kwiplanethi yethu. . Siyijonga ngoku njengesitya esinokuthi singakwazi ukudlwengula kwaye siqokelele. Akunjalo ke. Kukho ukulingana kwindalo, kwaye siye saphula loo mlinganiso. Kwaye yiloo nto ebonisa e-Antarctica namhlanje. Ibonisa kwihlabathi lonke. Iplanethi imisela kwakhona ibhalansi ngeendleko zethu.

NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Umdlali otyunjwe ngu-Oscar u-James Cromwell kunye no-Pramilla Malick baya entolongweni namhlanje ngenxa yoqhanqalazo lwabo olungenabugebenga ngokuchasene nesikhululo samandla segesi sendalo esisebenzisa igesi eqhekekileyo e-Orange County, eNew York. Ndibe nodliwanondlebe nabo ngoLwesine noNermeen Shaikh. Amatshantliziyo aza kuqala abambe irali kwindawo yolwakhiwo lweplanti, emva koko azinikele entolongweni.