Ukuzoba kutyelelo oluphantse lube ngama-30 e-Afghanistan, umlweli we-anti-war uKathy Kelly uxoxa ngemfuno yovelwano kunye nembuyekezo.
liQela leNomathotholo, Iziko leMetta le-WNV lokuNgabinobundlobongela, EyoMsintsi 29,2021
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Kule veki, uMichael Nagler kunye noStephanie Van Hook bathetha noKathy Kelly, umlweli wobomi obungenabundlobongela, umseki we-Voices for Creative Unviolence kunye nomququzeleli we-Ban Killer Drones Campaign. Uxoxa ngamava akhe abanzi kunye neengcinga malunga ne-Afghanistan. Ungenelelo lwaseMelika, uyakholelwa, kwaye-kwaye ewe, iyaqhubeka-ilahlekiswa ngokupheleleyo, inyuka kunokuba isombulule iingxabano ezinogonyamelo apho. Unika iingcebiso ezisebenzayo nezicacileyo malunga nokuba kungayintoni ukuzibandakanya okuhle kunye nemveliso, kwaye unikezela ngeendlela ezibonakalayo esinokuzibandakanya. Ukwasityhalela ekubeni siziqwalasele kwakhona izimvo zethu esele sikho ngaphambili, malunga neTaliban kunye nesiqu sethu; Ngokwenza njalo sinokuqala ukubonakalisa uvelwano, siphinde senze ubuntu kwaye singoyiki kangako:
Okokuqala, ndicinga ukuba kufuneka senze into wena noMichael eniyikhuthaze kwiziko leMetta ixesha elide. Kuya kufuneka sifumane isibindi sokulawula uloyiko lwethu. Kuya kufuneka sibesidlangalaleni esingatywatyuswanga ngenxa yokoyika eli qela, sisoyika elo qela, ukuba sizakuqhubeka nokubhankisha iinzame zokuphelisa elo qela ukuze singoyiki kwakhona. Yinto enye leyo. Ndicinga ukuba kubaluleke kakhulu ukuqhubeka nokwakha amandla ethu okulawula uloyiko.
Into yesibini, ngokunokwenzeka, kukwazi abantu abathwala iziphumo zeemfazwe zethu kunye nokufuduka kwethu… Abahlobo bam abancinci eAfghanistan babengumfuziselo wabantu abafuna ukufikelela kubantu abakwelinye icala lokwahlukana. Bathetha ngelizwe elingenamda. Bafuna ukuba neeprojekthi zobuhlanga.
Kuphela kuxa sijonga ngokwenyani eAfghanistan, xa siyibona nabantu bayo kubo bonke ubunzima obucekeceke apho sinokuqonda ngcono ukuba bafuna ntoni kwaye bafuna ntoni. Kuphela ngokumamela ngokunyanisekileyo abantu kunye namaqela emhlabeni apho siya kufunda ngendlela esinokuthi sikwazi ngayo ukuzibandakanya nabo ekufumaneni iindlela zokusombulula iingxabano nokwakha kwakhona. Kwaye konke oku kuxhomekeke kukuzibophelela okuqinisekileyo kokungaziphathi kakuhle, ukuthobeka ngokunyanisekileyo kunye nokuzibonakalisa ngokunyanisekileyo:
… Ukungabikho kobundlobongela ngamandla enyaniso. Kufuneka sithethe inyani kwaye sizijonge esipilini. Kwaye le ndiyithethileyo inene, kunzima ukuyijonga. Kodwa ndicinga ukuba kuyafuneka ukuze siziqonde ngcono ukuba singoobani kwaye singatsho njani ukuba, “Siyaxolisa. Siyaxolisa kakhulu, ”kwaye wenze imbuyekezo ethi asizukuqhubeka noku.
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UStephanie: Wamkele wonke umntu kwiRadiyo yeNkululeko. NdinguStephanie Van Hook, kwaye ndilapha estudio kunye nomnxibelelanisi wam kunye ne-anchor yeendaba, uMichael Nagler. Molo ekuseni, Michael. Enkosi ngokuba sesitudiyo nam namhlanje.
UMichael: Sawubona, Stephanie. Ibingayi kuba yenye indawo ngale ntsasa.
UStephanie: Ke, namhlanje sinathi Kathy Kelly. Kulungiselelwe nina kumbutho woxolo, ayifuni singeniso. Umntu onikele ngokupheleleyo ubomi bakhe ekupheliseni imfazwe nogonyamelo. Ungomnye wamalungu okusekwa kweeVoices kwiNtlango, kamva eyaziwa njenge Iimvo ze-Creative Unviolence, eyavala iphulo layo ngo-2020 ngenxa yobunzima bokuhamba kwimimandla yemfazwe. Siza kuva ngakumbi malunga noku. Ungumququzeleli we Iphulo leBan Killer Drones, kunye notshantliziyo kunye World Beyond War.
Sinaye namhlanje kwiRadio ye-Nonviolence ukuthetha nge-Afghanistan. Ulapho phantse amaxesha angama-30. Njengomntu waseMelika ozinikele ekupheliseni imfazwe, ukuva ngamava akhe kunye nento eyenzekayo ngoku ngokwembono yakhe kuya kuba luncedo kakhulu njengoko siqhubeka kwaye siqinisa iingxoxo zethu malunga neAfghanistan esezindabeni namhlanje.
Ke, wamkelekile kwiRadiyo yeNkululeko, uKathy Kelly.
UKathy: Enkosi, uStephanie noMichael. Ihlala iyinto eqinisekisayo ukwazi ukuba nobabini niyasebenza kwaye nenza ukukhuthaza ukungabinabundlobongela kunye nokuzama ukuqonda ngcono iziphumo zeemfazwe zethu.
UMichael: Ewe, ukuza kuwe, Kathy, kuyasiqinisekisa kakhulu. Enkosi.
UStephanie: Kathy, uzifumana phi namhlanje? Ngaba uhlala eChicago?
UKathy: Ewe, ndikummandla waseChicago. Kwaye ngandlela thile, intliziyo yam kunye nengqondo yam zihlala zihlala-nge-imeyile kunye nemithombo yeendaba zentlalo, nge-oh, ndicinga ukuba malunga namahlanu abantu base-Afghans abancinci ndibenethamsanqa lokwazi ngokundwendwela e-Afghanistan. Zonke zikwimeko ezinobungozi, kwaye ezinye zininzi kakhulu kunabanye. Kwaye ucinga kakhulu malunga nokuba yintoni enokuthi iqale ukuba yindlela engenabundlobongela eya phambili kubo.
UStephanie: Ewe, masivele sitsibe kanye kuloo nto, Kathy. Ngaba ungathetha ngokwenzekayo entliziyweni nasengqondweni yakho, kwenzeka ntoni ngokwembono yakho?
UKathy: Ewe, ndiziva ndilusizi kakhulu kwaye ndizisola. Ndiyathetha, ndihlala kamnandi kwaye ndikhuselekile, ingozi engcolileyo yokuzalwa, kodwa ndihlala kwilizwe apho intuthuzelo kunye nokhuseleko lwethu oluninzi lwenziwe luqoqosho olunezityalo eziphezulu. Kwaye senza njani ukuba ezo zixhobo zithengiswe kwaye zithengiswe kwaye zisetyenziswe, emva koko sithengise ngaphezulu? Ewe, kufuneka sithengise iimfazwe zethu.
Kwaye, uyazi, uluvo lokuba abantu abaninzi, ngelixa ubukhulu becala belibele nge-Afghanistan, bangathi, ukuba bayayicinga - kwaye andithethi ukuba oku kuyavakala njengokugweba - kodwa abantu abaninzi baseMelika bacinga, “Hayi, aren ' asikokunceda abafazi nabantwana phaya? ” Kwaye oko kwakungeyonyani. Kwakukho abanye abantu basetyhini abenza iinzuzo, ngokungathandabuzekiyo, kwiindawo ezisezidolophini. Kodwa uyazi, kufuneka sizibuze, yintoni if iUnited States yayinganikezelwanga ekwakheni iziseko ezingama-500 kulo lonke elase-Afghanistan? Kuthekani ukuba besingazalisanga iindawo ezijikeleze ezo ziseko-kwaye ngokwenene kulo lonke ilizwe- ngezixhobo zethu? Ungathini ukuba ummiselo esiwuphosileyo kwibhombu ezininzi, ezininzi ezingahambiswanga ngokupheleleyo ngenxa yokuba imfazwe yedrone ingazange- i-CIA kunye namanye amaqela bekungafuneki ukuba bagcine uluhlu lwabantu ababebabombile.
Uyazi, kuthekani ukuba i-United States ibijolise ngokupheleleyo kumandla ayo nezixhobo ekufumaneni ukuba abantu base-Afghani bafuna ntoni kwaye ngokuqinisekileyo bencedisa ekuvuseleleni iziseko zophuhliso lwezolimo kuba wonke umntu ufuna ukutya. Ke, zonke ezo zinto ukuba-ukuba ziza engqondweni, kunye nemvakalelo yokuzisola.
Ndikhumbula kakhulu nqaku ukuba Erica Chenoweth, UGqirha Erica Chenoweth - ngela xesha wayeseColorado, kwaye UGqirha Hakim, umcebisi weqela labahlobo abancinci baseAfghan. Asisababizi ngagama. Ibe yingozi kubo.
Bobabini babhala ukuba ngamanye amaxesha eyona nto ingenabundlobongela umntu anokuyenza kwimeko enobundlobongela is ukubaleka. Kwaye, ndiyathetha, ngale ntsasa nje, umntu obukeleyo obukrelekrele- simazi ixesha elide e-Afghanistan. Usebenze kunye norhulumente njengoncedo kwilungu lepalamente.
Uthe uyabona ukuba imfazwe iyeza. Imfazwe engakumbi phakathi kwala maqela ahlukeneyo. Ke, wenza ntoni? Ewe, baninzi abathe, "Ndifuna ukuphuma," kukhuseleko lwabo, kodwa nangenxa yokuba abafuni kuchola mpu. Abafuni kulwa. Abafuni ukuqhubeka nemijikelo yokuziphindezela nokuziphindezela.
Kwaye ke, kwabo babalekele kwiindawo ezinjengePakistan, abakhuselekanga ngokwenyani. Ndiziva ndiluhlobo- andinakunceda kodwa ndizive ndifumana isiqabu. “Ewe, ubuncinci uphumile engozini.” Kwaye silapha eUnited States apho iidola zethu zerhafu zixhasa ngayo yonke le ngxwabangxwaba kunye nengxwabangxwaba ngaphezulu kweminyaka emininzi ebangelwe ngamaqela alwayo. Kwaye iUnited States iyeyona isezithendeni. Kwaye okwangoku, asiziva singcangcazela. Nangona kunjalo, yile nto ibisengqondweni yam. Enkosi ngokubuza.
UMichael: Wamkelekile, Kathy. Ndineengcinga ezimbini ngokuphendula kule nto ubusabelana ngayo. Inye kuphela into oyithethileyo, kwaye ndiyabheja ukuba uyavumelana nam-ndiyabheja kwinqanaba elithile lengqondo yethu kunye kunye nengqondo yethu, ayiyonyani ngokupheleleyo ukuba asizukufumana ndawo. Uyazi, kukho into efana nokwenzakala kokuziphatha. Oku kukonzakala abantu abazibangela ngokwenzakalisa abanye, okubhalisa nzulu ezingqondweni zabo.
Ngelishwa ke malunga nayo- kwaye oku kulapho sinokuthi sibe noncedo khona-abantu abadibanisi amachaphaza. Uyazi, umfana ungena kwivenkile yokutya eTennessee kwaye uphendula bonke aba bantu. Kwaye asibeki sibini kunye kunye, uyazi, ngokuxhasa lo mgaqo-nkqubo wokuba ubundlobongela buya kuphelisa ubundlobongela. Asiqondi ukuba sithumela umyalezo osonzakalisayo kwilizwe lethu lasekhaya.
Ke, ndiyaqikelela ukuba olo hlobo lundifikisele kwelinye inqaku eliphambili, yile-into endandihlala ndiyiva ngumgaqo ophambili- ukuba kukho imikhosi emibini emhlabeni: amandla obundlobongela kunye namandla obundlobongela. Kwaye amandla obundlobongela aya kutshintsha ingqalelo yakho koomatshini kunabantu. Yile nto bendiyiva.
UKathy: Ewe, kukho imfuneko phantse yokuba ungamboni umntu xa ujolise kuye umntu ngembumbulu okanye ngesixhobo.
Uyazi, into ethi qatha engqondweni, Michael, kukuba uTimothy McVeigh, owayelijoni eIraq wayesandula ukuba ngumntu - uyazi, wayengumntwana okhula kwindawo encinci. Andazi ukuba ukhulele phi kanye kanye. Ndicinga ukuba yayisePennsylvania.
Kodwa, kunjalo, wayebalasele, njengoko besitsho, umaka amanqaku. Wayenokubetha ithagethi ngenene, kakuhle. Ngeethagethi ezivelelayo, ufumene amanqaku aphezulu kakhulu. Kwaye ke, xa wayese-Iraq, ekuqaleni wabhala kwileta wayibhalela umakazi wakhe, kwaye esi sisicatshulwa esithe ngqo, “Ukubulala iIraq kwakunzima ngokwenene ekuqaleni. Kodwa emva kwethutyana, kwaba lula ukubulala abantu baseIraq. ”
UTimothy McVeigh uye waba ngumntu olayishe umthwalo, ndiyakholelwa, ilori eneziqhushumbisi wahlasela i-Oklahoma Federal Building. Kwaye bendihlala ndicinga ukuba ngubani oqeqeshiweyo, ngubani ofundise uTimothy McVeigh ukuba akholelwe ukuba ukubulala abantu kunokuba lula? Kwaye uTimothy McVeigh wohlwaywa, ngokuqinisekileyo. Kodwa unyanisile. Sizigwebile.
Kwaye ngoku sinenani elikhulu labantu abancinci abachithe iiyure ezininzi bedlala imidlalo yevidiyo kwaye bejolise kwiibhloko, uyazi, iibhloko kwiscreen. Emva koko UDaniel Hale kukhupha amaxwebhu okwenyani. Ngenkalipho wenza loo nto. Wayengumhlalutyi waseMelika eAfghanistan, kwaye kamva wasebenzela enye yeenkampani zokhuselo.
Waqaphela ngamaxwebhu ase-US ukuba bazenzele ngokwabo, amatyeli alithoba kweshumi ngexesha lokusebenza kweenyanga ezintlanu awayeyinxalenye yalo, ekujoliswe kuko kwaba luluntu. Ayinguye lomntu babecinga ukuba ngumntu. Kwaye ke ukhupha ulwazi. Ngoku usebenze iinyanga ezingama-45 entolongweni- iminyaka esentolongweni.
Ke ngoku yayiyintoni ukuhlaselwa kokugqibela e-US, kubonakala ngathi, eKabul? Ngokwenyani kunokwenzeka ukuba ayisiyiyo eyokugqibela. Indoda yonyulwa njengethagethi. Igama lakhe yayingu UZemari Ahmadi, kwaye wayengutata wabantwana abaliqela. Wayehlala kwikhompiyutha kunye nabakhuluwa bakhe kunye nosapho lwabo. Wayekade ejikeleza iKabul eyokushiya abantu-kuba wayenemoto, kwaye wayenokubanceda ngaloo nto kwaye athabathe iitoti zamanzi zosapho lwakhe kwaye agqibe imisebenzi yomzuzu wokugqibela kuba wayesele ekhethelwe ukufumana enye yazo ezi visa zikhethekileyo zokufuduka kwaye ziza eUnited States.
Usapho lwalupakishe iibhegi zabo. Kwaye ngandlela thile, kuba wayeqhuba iCorolla emhlophe, abaqhubi beedrone zaseMelika kunye nabacebisi babo bacinga, “Lo mfo uchola iziqhushumbisi. Uye kwilizwe lamaSilamsi kwindlu ekhuselekileyo yephondo laseKhorasan. Uza kubuyela komnye umthengi kwintengiso ehambelana nabo. Kwaye emva koko angaya kwisikhululo seenqwelomoya ahlasele abantu. ”
Beza nale fantasy. Akukho nanye eyayiyinyani. Kungenxa yokuba konke abanokubona kwimizobo yabo yedrone, imifanekiso yekhamera, ziibhlokhi kunye nobukhulu obutofotofo. Ke, emva koko badubula iibhombu, becinga ukuba kukho lo mfo kunye nomntu athetha naye. Kwaye u-Ahmed Zemari wayenesiko, apho wayeza kuyitsala imoto ingene kwindlela-kwaye ngokwenene, ukuba nemoto e-Afghanistan kwindawo yabasebenzi yinto enkulu.
Xa eyitsalela kwindlela yokungena, wayevumela unyana wakhe omdala ukuba ayipake. Bonke abantwana abancinci baya kungena emotweni. Yayiyinto nje abayenzileyo. Kwaye ke, ibiyinto yokugqibela abayenzileyo. Abantwana abasixhenxe. Abathathu kubo bangaphantsi kweminyaka emihlanu. Abanye, ulutsha olune. Abaselula abancinci babulawa bonke.
Ngoku, kwakukho ukugubungela oko. Kwakukho intatheli ezininzi ezazinokufika kwindawo kunye nodliwanondlebe nabasindileyo. Kodwa olo hlobo lwento lwalusandula ukwenzeka kwiiveki ezimbini ezidlulileyo. Olunye uhlaselo lomoya e-US luye lwasusa ikliniki kunye nesikolo esiphakamileyo eKandahar eLashkargah. Olu hlobo lwezinto luqhubeka rhoqo.
Kwaye ke ngoku, uMkhosi woMoya, i-US Air Force ifuna i-10 yezigidigidi zeedola ukuze iqhubeke, oko bakubiza ngokuba "Ngaphezulu kweHorizon" kuhlaselwa i-Afghanistan. Kodwa ngubani owaziyo malunga noku? Uyazi, bambalwa kakhulu abantu, ndicinga ukuba, banokubona iphethini ebiqhubeka ukusukela-ndihleli kuphela kumhla wokubuyela ku-2010 ngokwam. Ndiqinisekile ukuba yenzekile ngaphambi koko.
Kodwa ipateni kukuba uhlaselo luyenzeka, nokuba kukuhlaselwa kwedrone okanye ukuhlaselwa ebusuku, kwaye kuyacaca ukuba "banomntu ongalunganga." Ke, umkhosi, ukuba uthe waqatshelwa, uyakuthembisa, "Sizakuphanda loo nto." Kwaye emva koko, ukuba ayizisusi iindaba, ukuba ayisiyiyo nje okonyuka njengebali. Ukuba iinyani ziyavela, “Ewe, nibulele abantu. Olu inokuba lulwaphulo-mthetho emfazweni. ” Emva koko umntu othile uthatha ukuwa.
Kule meko yakutshanje, kuye kwafuneka benyukele phezulu, u-General Lloyd Austin uthe, "Senze impazamo." Jikelele uMacKenzie wathi, "Ewe, senze impazamo." UNjengele Donahue uthe, "Ewe, senze impazamo." Kodwa sifuna okungakumbi kunokucela uxolo. Sifuna isiqinisekiso sokuba i-United States izakuyeka ukuqhubeka nalo mgaqo-nkqubo wokubulala nokuphalaza igazi kunye nokungcungcuthekisa kunye nokutshabalalisa.
Simelwe kukubona ukohlwaywa, hayi inhlawulo yemali kuphela, kodwa kunye nembuyekezo ediliza ezi nkqubo zingalunganga nezikhohlakeleyo.
UStephanie: Kathy, ucinga ukuba abantu bafanele ukuhamba malunga nokubuyekezwa, kubandakanya nembuyekezo yezemali? Kwaye iTaliban idlala njani kuloo nto? Uncedo lunokufika njani ebantwini? Ngaba ungathetha naloo nto?
UKathy: Ewe, okokuqala, ndicinga ukuba kufuneka sikwenze oko wena noMichael bakukhuthaze kwiZiko leMetta ixesha elide. Kuya kufuneka sifumane isibindi sokulawula uloyiko lwethu. Kuya kufuneka sibesidlangalaleni esingatywatyuswanga ngenxa yokoyika eli qela, sisoyika elo qela, ukuba sizakuqhubeka nokubhankisha iinzame zokuphelisa elo qela ukuze singoyiki kwakhona. Inye loo nto ndicinga ukuba kubaluleke kakhulu ukuqhubeka nokwakha amandla ethu okulawula uloyiko.
Into yesibini, ngokuqinisekileyo, kukwazi abantu abathwala iziphumo zeemfazwe zethu kunye nokufuduka kwethu. Ndicinga ngo Sherri Maurin eSan Francisco kunye Iintsuku Zomhlaba Wokuphulaphula esekwe eOlimpia, eWashington ngeendlela ezithile. Kodwa inyanga nenyanga, iminyaka kunye neminyaka- iminyaka elishumi ndiququzelele umnxeba ukuze abantu abancinci eAfghanistan bakwazi ukunxibelelana nabantu abanomdla kwihlabathi liphela, kubandakanya nobabini ngamanye amaxesha.
Ndicinga ukuba kubalulekile. Kwaye uSherri nabanye ngoku bayasebenza, kunzima ukunceda abantu abancinci ukuba bagcwalise izicelo zevisa kwaye bazame ukufumana iindlela zokunika inkxaso ebonakalayo kubantu abafuna ukwenza lo moya-oko kukuthi, ndiyacinga, ngeendlela ezithile kuphela okanye eyona nto ingenabundlobongela ukuyenza.
Ke, inye into abantu abanokuyenza kukunxibelelana noSherri Maurin kwalapha okanye ukuhlala unxibelelana. Ndonwabile ngokuqinisekileyo ukunceda nabani na uhlobo lomhlobo, abe ngumhlobo komnye wabantu abafuna uncedo. Iifom zinzima, kwaye kunzima ukuziqonda. Iimfuno zitshintsha ngalo lonke ixesha. Ke, yinto enye leyo.
Ke ngoku malunga nokuba kungaze kubekho ukubakho kokugcina uxolo e-Afghanistan, kukho indoda egama lingu UGqirha Zaher Wahab. Ungu-Afghan kwaye ebefundisa iminyaka emininzi, emininzi kwiiyunivesithi zase-Afghan, kodwa nakwiYunivesithi yaseLewis & Clark ePortland. Ucinga ngaphandle kwebhokisi. Usebenzisa ukucinga kwakhe, kwaye uthi, "Kutheni? Kutheni ungajoli kubukho bokugcina uxolo beZizwe eziManyeneyo? Inokunceda ukugcina uhlobo oluthile lwe ukhuseleko kunye nocwangco. ” Ngoku, ngaba amaTaliban angaze ayamkele loo nto? Kucacile, ukuza kuthi ga ngoku, abantu baseTaliban basebenzisa amandla abo okuphumelela, ndiyaqikelela, ukuthi, "Hayi, akufuneki simamele oko kuthethwa ngabantu bamanye amazwe."
Kunzima kuba andifuni ukucebisa, kulungile, emva koko ndibabethe ngokwezoqoqosho, kuba ndicinga ukuba oko kuyakubetha abantu abahlwempuzekileyo kwezoqoqosho. Isohlwayo zihlala zisenza njalo. Bababeka eluntwini abantu abasesichengeni kuluntu, kwaye andicingi ukuba baya kubabetha ngenene abaphathi beTaliban. Kwaye, uyazi, banokunyusa imali ngokubiza iirhafu kwisithuthi ngasinye esiwela naliphi na inani lemida eyahlukeneyo.
Ndiyathetha, banemithwalo yezixhobo esele benazo kuba bazithatha kwiziseko zase-US nakwezinye iindawo ababezishiye ngasemva. Ke, andikukhuthazi ukohlwaywa kwezoqoqosho. Kodwa ndicinga ukuba yonke imizamo yozakuzo mayenziwe ukunikela iminqathe ukuba ithi kwiTaliban, “Jonga, qala ukuhlonipha amalungelo oluntu kwaye ufundise abantu bakho ukuba basebenzise ezinye iindlela ngaphandle kokubetha abantu abanegazi ngeentambo zombane. Fundisa abantu bakho ukuba bamkele ukuba kufuneka ube nabasetyhini kuzo zonke iindawo ekuhlaleni ukuba uza kwenza inkqubela phambili. ” Qalisa ukufundisa loo nto.
Kwaye iza kuba yintoni iminqathe? Uyazi, i-Afghanistan ikwi-free-fall and ijongene nentlekele ezayo kwezoqoqosho. Kwaye bakwitshi lesine le-COVID, ngenkqubo yonyango ehlaselwe kakubi kwilizwe lonke. Kwaye banesomiso ubuncinci kumaphondo angama-24 kwayi-34.
Ukubanakho ukukhwela ujikeleze kwilori yokuthwala kwaye uphawule izixhobo zakho akuwenzi ukuba umelane nezo ntlobo zeengxaki eziya kuthi ngokungathandabuzekiyo zonyuse uxinzelelo lwabemi abanokuba nengqumbo enkulu, abazama ukuyilawula.
UStephanie: Kwaye uKathy, ezo zezimvo ezifanelekileyo. Enkosi. Ndijonge phambili ekwabelaneni nabo. Ngaba uziva ngathi amaTaliban ahluthwe isidima yimithombo yeendaba zaseNtshona, ngamajelo eendaba ehlabathi? Ngaba ikho indlela yokuqhekeza ukungcola kwabantu kwaye ubone ukuba kutheni abantu bejoyina iTaliban kwasekuqaleni, kwaye zeziphi iindlela esinokuwuphazamisa ngazo umjikelo wobuqhetseba?
UKathy: Owu, uStephanie, ngumbuzo oluncedo ngokwenene lowo. Kwaye kufuneka ndizibeke esweni ngokwam nangolwimi lwam kuba ndiyaqonda ukuba, njengokuba uthetha nje, akukho nto ithiThe Taliban. ” Kubanzi kakhulu ukubetha ngebrashi. Kukho amaqela amaninzi ahlukeneyo aquka iTaliban.
Kwaye umbuzo wakho wokuba kutheni abantu bengena kula maqela kwasekuqaleni, ayinyani kuphela kwiTaliban, kodwa nakwamanye amaqela eqela lemfazwe, ukuba bangathi abantu abancinci abafuna ukubeka ukutya etafileni kwiintsapho zabo, "Jonga, uyazi, sinemali, kodwa kufuneka uzimisele ukuthatha umpu ukuze ube semkhombeni ukuze ufumane nayiphi na le mali." Kwaye ke, kuninzi lwabadlali abancinci beTalib, babengenazo ezinye iindlela ngokubhekisele ekubeni bakwazi ukukhulisa izityalo okanye ukulima imihlambi okanye ukuvuselela iziseko zophuhliso lwezolimo kwindawo yabo. Uyazi, i-opium sesona sityalo sikhulu siveliswayo ngoku kwaye oko kuya kubangenisa kuthungelwano lweenkosi zeziyobisi kunye nabaphathi bemfazwe.
Uninzi lwabadlali abancinci beTalib mhlawumbi ngabantu abaza kuxhamla ngokufunda ukufunda kwaye bonke abantu eAfghanistan baya kuxhamla ngokwazi ukufunda ulwimi lwabo, iDari kunye nePashto. Ndiqinisekile ukuba bekukho imifanekiso ezaliswe yinzondo eyakhiweyo, kangangokuba kukho iiPastuns ezicinga ukuba zonke iiHazaras zingabemi abakudidi lwesibini kwaye abazithembi. Kwaye iiHazaras ziyakhile imifanekiso yazo zonke iiPastuns njengezinobungozi kwaye zingathenjwa.
Abahlobo bam abancinci eAfghanistan babengumfuziselo wabantu abafuna ukufikelela kubantu abakwelinye icala lokwahlulahlula. Bathetha ngelizwe elingenamda. Bafuna ukuba neeprojekthi zobuhlanga. Kwaye ke bahambisa iingubo kubantu ababeswele ngexesha lobusika obuqatha, njengoko besenza njalo ebusika. Ndiyathetha, basindise ubomi, ndiyakholelwa, ngezi ngubo zinzima.
Baye baqinisekisa ukuba abafazi ababhatelwe ukwenza iingubo bayinxalenye yeqela lamaHazari, inxenye yamaqela eTajik, kwaye inxenye yamaqela ePashto. Basebenza nzima ngokwenene beqinisekisa ukuba bayabahlonela bobathathu ubuhlanga. Kwaye kuyafana ngokuhambisa. Bangayenza into yokuba bacele amaSilamsi amele la maqela mathathu ahlukeneyo ukubanceda babone indlela yokuhambisa ngokufanelekileyo ezo ngubo. Kwaye benza kwa into enye nabantwana abeza kwisikolo sabo sabantwana basesitalatweni kunye neentsapho ezincedileyo kuloo nto.
Yayiyiprojekthi encinci leyo, kwaye yenziwa sisisa sabaninzi, abantu abaninzi, kubandakanya uninzi lwaseCalifornia kwaye abaninzi ePoint Reyes. Kodwa uyazi, okwangoku urhulumente wase-United States ugalele amawaka ezigidi, ukuba ayizigidigidi zeedola kwiimfazwe e-Afghanistan nase-Iraq. Kwaye ndicinga ukuba ngokudibeneyo bandise umsantsa phakathi kwamaqela ahlukeneyo kwaye bandise amathuba okuba abantu bafumane izixhobo kwaye bajolise kubo.
Ulungile ukuba ungayamkeli imbono yokuba kukho enye ibhloko enkulu ebizwa ngokuba yi "Taliban." Kuya kufuneka sihlehle inyathelo emva koko. Kodwa emva koko uphinde ube nohlobo lokunyibilika phantse kwaye uzame ukubona ubuntu babantu ekuthiwa ziintshaba.
UMichael: Ewe, ngokubona ubuntu-kwakhona, uKathy, njengoko sisazi kakuhle, etshintsha nje intsimi yombono wakho ngokupheleleyo, utshintshe umbono wakho. Uqala ukubona izinto ezahlukeneyo. Ndiyazi ukuba elinye iqela lize nemali yesibonelelo, ndiyakholelwa ukuba yi-Afghanistan. Kwakusekulixesha elidlulileyo; ibanike imali kulindelo lokuba bazakukhulisa ukutya okufunekayo, endaweni yoko abantu bakhule iintyatyambo.
Baye babuza, "Uyenzele ntoni loo nto?" Kwaye bathi, "Kulungile, umhlaba kufuneka uncume." Kuya kufuneka, uyazi, sibuyise okuhle kwifomu elungileyo yokuqinisekisa ubomi. Kuya kuba lula kakhulu ukuba sitshintshe inkqubo-sikhokelo yethu yengqondo, njengoko ndisitsho, ukusuka, sinokuyigalela njani enye ioyile emanzini afanayo? Okanye, silufumana phi uhlobo olwahlukileyo lweoyile? Yiloo nto iiVoices of Creative Unviolence kunye neMetta Centre bebesebenza nzima kangaka, ukuphakamisa ibhanile yokungabi nabundlobongela kwaye kwangoko ubundlobongela buwela kwimeko.
UStephanie: Ngoku uKathy, ukhe waya e-Afghanistan ngaphezulu kwamaxesha angama-30?
UKathy: Ilungile lo nto.
UStephanie: Ke, makhe sithethe kancinci ngohambo lwakho njengomntu kunye nokuba la mava atshintshe njani kuwe. Ndifuna ukunika abaphulaphuli bethu umbono wokuba kunjani e-Afghanistan. Ayisiyiyo nje iKabul, kodwa ndiqinisekile ukuba ungene kumaphondo ngaphandle. Ngaba ungapeyinta umfanekiso we-Afghanistan thina nabantu?
UKathy: Ewe, uyazi, ndinomhlobo, uEd Keenan, owayelilungu lomnye wabathunywa bethu bokuqala ukuba bayokundwendwela iKabul. Kwaye ngokuthobekileyo wabhala isincoko esithi uziva ukuba wabona iAfghanistan ngesitshixo. Uyazi, yinyani leyo kum.
Ndiyazi indawo enye yaseKabul kwaye bendonwabile nje izihlandlo ezimbalwa ukuya ePanjshir eyindawo entle apho Iziko loPhando oluNgxamisekileyo lamaxhoba eMfazwe ndinesibhedlele. Sazindwendwe kweso sibhedlele kangangeveki. Kwaye kwizihlandlo ezimbalwa, ezifana nohambo lokuya emasimini, abanye bethu baye bakwazi ukuba ziindwendwe zalowo wayesakuba ngumsebenzi wezolimo. Wabulawa. Yena nentsapho yakhe babeza kusamkela kummandla wasePanjshir. Kwaye ndandwendwela abantu e-Bamiyan. Kwaye ngamanye amaxesha, ngaphandle kweKabul, mhlawumbi kumtshato waselalini.
Kodwa ke, kwakukhanyisa kakhulu ukuya ezilalini kwinto encinci endiyenzileyo kuba abanye oomakhulu e-Bamiyan, bandixelele, "Uyazi, izinto oziva malunga nazo - ezenziwa yiTaliban ngakumabhinqa kwiinkulungwane ngaphambi kokuba kubekho iTaliban. Oko bekusoloko kuyindlela yethu. ”
Ke, ezilalini, ezilalini, abanye abantu basetyhini-ayingabo bonke, kodwa abanye-abanakuwubona umahluko omkhulu phakathi kolawulo luka-Ashraf Ghani kunye norhulumente wakhe kunye nolawulo lweTaliban. Ngapha koko, umbutho wabahlalutyi base-Afghanistan uthe abanye abantu kwiindawo apho bahlengahlengiswe khona kwaye bazama nje ukubona ukuba kunjani ukuhlala kwindawo elawulwa yiTaliban. Abanye bathi kubo, "Uyazi, xa kuziwa kwimicimbi yezobulungisa ukusombulula iingxabano malunga nomhlaba okanye umhlaba, sikhetha iinkundla zaseTaliban kuba iinkundla zikarhulumente ziseKabul," ekufuneka ibonakale, uyazi, kakhulu, kude, “zonakele kakhulu kufuneka siqhubeke sihlawulela onke amanyathelo, siphelelwe yimali. Kwaye ubulungisa buphunyezwa kuxhomekeke ekubeni ngubani ofumana imali eninzi. ” Ke, inokuba yinto echaphazele ubomi babantu, nokuba ngamadoda, ngabasetyhini, okanye ngabantwana.
Xa ndiza kuya kuloo ndawo yabasebenzi baseKabul, kwiminyaka yakutshanje, ndakuba ndingene kwikhaya labo, andizange ndihambe. Ngelixa sakuhlala inyanga okanye inyanga enesiqingatha, undwendwelo lwethu lwalufutshane kwaye lufutshane, ngathi iintsuku ezilishumi ziya kuba yinto eqhelekileyo kuba yaqala ukuba yingozi ngakumbi kubahlobo bethu abancinci ukubamba abantu baseNtshona. Izise isikrokro esikhulu. Kutheni unxibelelana nabantu abavela eNtshona? Ingaba wenza ntoni? Ngaba bayakufundisa? Ngaba wamkela amaxabiso aseNtshona? Leyo yayisele ingumthombo wokurhanela ngaphambi kokuba iTalib igqithe iKabul.
Ndingathi ukuzincama, umbono oqinisekileyo, uvelwano, izakhono zobunkokeli, uburharha obulungileyo endibufumene kubantu abancinci endibe nethamsanqa lokubandwendwela, bekuhlala kusoloko kuyinto evuselelayo.
Ndiyasiqonda isizathu sokuba umongikazi wase-Italiya endakha ndadibana naye (igama lakhe yayingu Emanuele Nannini) wathi uhamba ngendlela, enyuka intaba ephethe ubhaka omkhulu emqolo, kwaye wayehambisa izinto zonyango. Ibizakuba lixesha lakhe lokugqibela ukuhamba kuba ukhenketho lwakhe lweminyaka emine lokuba kunye namaZiko oNyango oluNgxamisekileyo amaXhoba eMfazwe ayephela.
Abantu babesazi ukuba uzakubashiya kwaye baphuma-bahamba iiyure ezine kwikhephu ebusika ukuze bakwazi ukuthi ndlela-ntle kwaye enkosi. Kwaye wathi, “Awu. Ndabathanda. ” Ndicinga ukuba ngawona mava baninzi abantu abanawo. Kwakhona, ungabuza uSherri Maurin. Uthandana nabantu abaninzi abalungileyo, abalungileyo nabanobubele abangathethi kuthi ngekhe kwenzakalise.
Ndikhumbula umhlobo wam oselula esithi kwiminyaka eyadlulayo kum, “Kathy, goduka uye kuxelela abazali babantu abancinci kwilizwe lakho, 'Ungathumeli abantwana bakho eAfghanistan. Kuyingozi kubo apha. '”Kwaye wongeze kalusizi," Kwaye abasincedi nganto. "
Ke, bekuhlala kunengqondo, ndiyacinga, kwicala lolutsha kwaye ezinye zeentsapho kunye nabantu abancinci endidibene nabo abafuni ukwenzakalisa abantu eMelika, kodwa bebengafuni abantu eMelika baqhubeke nokuthumela amajoni kunye nemikhosi kunye nezixhobo kwilizwe labo.
Kwaye ndiyakhumbula xa loo mmiselo mkhulu womoya waqhushumba, esona sixhobo sakha sasomeleleyo, esona sikhulu kunazo zonke - isixhobo esiqhelekileyo kwi-arsenal yase-US esifutshane nebhombu yenyukliya, xa yabetha intaba, bothuka. Bacinga-uyazi, kuba abantu babeyibiza ngokuba, "NguMama Wazo Zonke iibhombu," e-United States-kwaye baxakaniseka kwaphela. Ngoba? Kutheni le nto ufuna ukwenza oku?
Ewe, kwavela ukuba ngaphakathi kuloo ntaba kwakukho uthungelwano lweendawo zokugcina izixhobo, kwaye luhlobo lokugcina isikhokelo semfihlo kumkhosi wezomkhosi wase-United States owawakhiwe ngumkhosi wase-US kwiminyaka emininzi eyadlulayo. Umkhosi wase-US wayesazi ukuba ulapho, kwaye bebengafuni ukuba iTaliban iwusebenzise okanye amanye amaqela emfazwe ayisebenzise, ke bayivuthela.
Kodwa uyazi, andizange ndive umyalezo onamandla kangaka ngexabiso lokuphelisa imfazwe njengoko ndeva kwaba bantu batsha base-Afghanistan. Babesoloko bethumela lo myalezo.
UStephanie: Kwaye ungapeyinta ngakumbi umfanekiso nokuba kunjani ukuba kuloo mmandla waseKabul? Kuya kufuneka uphume, uzifumana njani izinto zakho? Uwoyisile njani uloyiko lobundlobongela obunokubakho?
UKathy: Ukunqaba konikezelo bekusoloko kuyinyani. Ndikhumbula ndikhona ngelinye ixesha xa amanzi ayephela. Uyazi, ugqithile, ugqithile. Ngethamsanqa, umnini-mhlaba wathatha uxanduva lokumba umthombo. Kwaye ngethamsanqa, emva kwexesha elithile, amanzi hit. Kwaye ke, le ngxaki yokungabikho kwamanzi yancitshiswa ngandlela ithile.
Zininzi kakhulu iingozi ngaphakathi kwimizi eyahlukeneyo kangangokuba abantu abatsha bahlala kwizikhukula nakumqolomba, kwaye iimeko zangasese zihlala zihlala zindala. Ngalo lonke ixesha ndihamba, ngokoqobo ngalo lonke ixesha lasebusika xa ndiseAfghanistan, indlu yonke yayiyehla inesifo esithile sokuphefumla. Kwaye amatyeli amathathu, nam ndinenyumoniya. Ndiyathetha, andinazo iindlela zokuzikhusela abazakheleyo, kwaye ndimdala. Ke, abantu bahlala bejamelene nemingcipheko yezempilo.
Umgangatho womoya wawusoyikeka kakhulu ebusika kuba kwiindawo ezihlwempuzekileyo abantu abanakho ukuthenga iinkuni. Abanakho ukubhatala amalahle, ke baqala ukutshisa iiplastiki kunye namavili. Kwaye umsi uza kudala umgangatho womoya owoyikeka kakhulu. Ndiyinyani, ngokoqobo, ukuba ubuhlamba amazinyo ukhuphe amathe amnyama. Kwaye ayilunganga loo nto ebantwini.
Ndiyamangaliswa kukomelela kwabahlobo bam abancinci abakwaziyo ukulawula kobu busika bubanda kubanda. Akukho shushu sangaphakathi, ke uyazi, unxiba zonke iimpahla zakho, kwaye ungcangcazela kakhulu ekuhambeni kwemini.
Ndaye ndachukumiseka kakhulu kukulungela kwabo ukuqokelela, benyuka intaba, kwaye bandwendwela nabahlolokazi ababetyhalelwe phezulu entabeni, ngokusisiseko. Xa usiya phezulu, amanzi amancinci ayafumaneka kwaye ke iirhafu ziyehla, kwaye unabafazi abahlala kumngxunya wezihlangu. Kwaye ekuphela kwendlela abanokondla ngayo abantwana kukuthumela isibini kwindawo yentengiso ukuze bajonge, uyazi, umgangatho wentengiso wezinto ezityiwayo zokutya okanye ukuzama ukubhalisa njengabasebenzi babantwana.
Kwaye ke abahlobo bam abancinci, ngendlela ababesenza ngayo ukugada, uhlobo oluhle kakhulu lokujonga kunye neencwadana zabo kunye neepeni zabo bebuza abasetyhini kuphela kwabantu abadala ekhayeni. Akukho mntu unokufumana umvuzo. Abafazi abanakuphuma baye kusebenza. Banabantwana.
Bebebuza ukuba, "Zingaphi iiveki ozitya iimbotyi?" Kwaye ukuba impendulo ibisithi, “Mhlawumbi kabini,” ukuba bebesitya kakhulu isonka okanye irayisi, ukuba bebengenako ukufikelela kumanzi acocekileyo, ukuba umntwana ingoyena mntu ufumana umvuzo ophambili, baya kuthatha iphepha lovavanyo kunye nobubele Yibeke phezulu. Kwaye baya kwaba bantu bathi, “Jonga, sicinga ukuba okungenani singakunceda udlule ebusika. Nantsi into yokufaka impahla ukwenza ingubo enzima yomqombothi. Nantsi ilaphu. Uyathunga. Siza kubuya siziqokelele. Siza kukuhlawula, kwaye siza kubanika simahla iimbacu ezikwinkampu zeembacu. ”
Kwaye abanye-umhlobo wam omncinci ngoku ose-India-angandithatha andise kwindawo apho azivolontiya no. Wayengutitshala wokuzithandela, kwaye aba bantwana babemthanda. Kwaye uhlangabezana nokuba ne-muscular dystrophy. Akukho nzima kangako kangangokuba ufuna isitulo esinamavili. Usakwazi ukuhamba.
Ndikhankanyile uvelwano. Unobabalo nje olukhulu kwabanye abantu abajongana neemeko ezingaphaya kolawulo lwabo ngandlela thile. Kwaye ndabona nje kaninzi kwakhona. Ke, xa ndibona abantwana besithi, "Ngaba elinye ilizwe linokundithatha?" Ndicinga, “Owu nkosi yam. Khanada, United States, UK, Jamani, Portugal, Italy. ” Naliphi na elinye ilizwe liya kuthi-kufanele ukuba lixhumaxhuma luvuyo lokuba aba bantu bancinci bangene kwilizwe labo, njengoko kufanele ukuba samkele wonke umntu waseHaiti ofuna ukuza apha. Kwaye samkele, sinokuninzi esinokwabelana ngako. Umsebenzi omninzi wokuhamba. Kwaye ukuba sixhalabile ngemali, thatha i-10 yezigidigidi kude noMkhosi woMoya kwaye ubaxelele, “Uyazi ntoni? Asizukukwazi ukuxhasa ngezimali i-Over the Horizon capacity yokubulala abantu. ”
UStephanie: UKathy, ndicinga xa isithethi sikaBiden, siphendula loo mifanekiso isemdeni nabantu baseHaiti, yathi yoyikeka kwaye akukho meko apho iya kuba yimpendulo efanelekileyo. Ngelixa ndiyincoma le ngxelo, kubonakala ngathi inengqiqo kwaye inobuntu, ndicinga ukuba singayithatha loo logic kwaye siyisebenzise kumbuzo omkhulu wemfazwe. Ngaba ikhona imeko apho kubonakala ngathi yimpendulo efanelekileyo ngo-2021?
UKathy: Ewe. Ngokuqinisekileyo kunjalo. Uyazi, zininzi, zininzi, iintsapho ezininzi zabantu baseHaiti apha eUnited States nabo ababenzima, ngaphandle kwamathandabuzo, bewela imida. Kodwa bangakulungela ukusixelela, "Nantsi indlela yokwamkela abantu kwiindawo esihlala kuzo." Kwaye ndicinga ukuba kufuneka sijonge kakhulu kumandla asezantsi anoluntu kwaye siwakhulule lawo mandla.
Ndiyathetha, ndiqinisekile ukuba kukho iindawo kuyo yonke iUnited States ezinokukhumbula xa abahlali baseVietnam bangena ezixekweni zabo kwaye babemangalisiwe lishishini kunye nobukrelekrele bengqondo kunye nokulunga okuninzi kwabo bantu babalekiweyo. uluntu lwethu. Ndiqinisekile ukuba ndiyibonile kwindawo ephezulu yedolophu yaseChicago.
Ke, kutheni le nto singafuna ukucinga ukuba ngandlela ithile siyi-sacrosanct, iqela eliphakamileyo, kwaye asinakho ukuhlaselwa ngabantu abafuna ukuza kwilizwe lethu? Ngenxa yokulunga, eli lizwe yayilikhaya labemi bomthonyama ababulawa ngabasunguli kunye nabalandeli babo, ekuqaleni. Babulawa ngenxa yabahlali ababebachasile. Kwaye ke lonke iqela labaphambukeli eliza eUnited States ngokubanzi beza kuba bebaleka umkhosi kunye nentshutshiso kumazwe abo.
Ke, kutheni ungabi nalo uvelwano ngakumbi? Kutheni ungatsho wonke umntu angene, akukho mntu uphumayo? Thatha imali emkhosini kwaye ukhuphe izixhobo kwizixhobo kwaye ube nakho ukufumana iindlela zokuthandwa kwilizwe liphela ukuze kungabikho ntiyo. Asizukubonwa njengabantu abasongela amandla.
UStephanie: Kwaye kubonakala ngathi, indlela obachaze ngayo abantu eAfghanistan kunye nesisa sabo kuwe njengondwendwe, yinto abantu baseMelika abanokuyifunda eAfghanistan.
UKathy: Ewe, ngokuqinisekileyo olo luvo lokungabikho kobundlobongela kubandakanya ukulungela okukhulu ukwabelana ngezixhobo, ukulungela kakhulu ukuba yinkonzo kunokuba ulawule abanye. Kwaye kukulungele kakhulu ukuphila ngokulula.
Uyazi, kwakhona, ndifuna ukugxininisa ukuba xa ndiseKabul, andazi mntu unemoto. Ndasibona ngokulula isizathu sokuba le ndoda, uZemari Ahmadi, ithathelwe ingqalelo, uyazi, umntu ohamba-hamba ekuhlaleni. Wayenemoto. Ukusetyenziswa kwepetroli kwama-Afghans xa kuthelekiswa nehlabathi liphela ngokonakaliswa kwendalo yindawo encinci. Abantu abanazo iifriji. Ngokuqinisekileyo abanazo izinto zokupholisa umoya. Azikho iimoto ezininzi. Iibhayisikile ezininzi ngakumbi.
Abantu baphila ubomi obulula kakhulu. Akukho bushushu ngaphakathi. Abantu bathatha ukutya kwabo behleli kwisangqa emgangathweni, kwaye babelana ngokutya kunye nabani na ongena emnyango. Kwaye oku kubi kakhulu, kodwa emveni kwesidlo ngasinye uzobona omnye wabahlobo bethu abancinci ebeka okuseleyo kwingxowa yeplastiki, kwaye baya kubazisa kwibhulorho kuba bayazi ukuba bahlala phantsi kwebhulorho ngabantu baphakathi kwezigidi ezazilikhoboka leopium.
Ngelishwa, enye inyani yemfazwe yayikukuba nangona amaTaliban ekuqaleni wayeyiphelisile imveliso ye-opiamu, kwiminyaka engama-20 yokuthinjwa yi-US, ngaphandle kwezigidigidi zigalelwa kwi-anti-narcotic, imveliso ye-opium iye yonyusa phezulu. Kwaye leyo yenye indlela echaphazela abantu eUnited States kuba nomthamo wemveliso yeopium evela eAfghanistan, yehlisa ixabiso leopium kwaye ichaphazela abantu abasuka e-UK baye e-US nase-Yurophu nase-Middle East.
UMichael: Ewe. UKathy, enkosi kakhulu. Kwenzeka into efanayo e-Columbia, ngendlela. Singena phaya siqhushumbe la masimi sizame ukuphelisa i-cocoa kwaye siphele sinempendulo eyahlukileyo. Ndifuna ukwabelana nawe ngezinto ezimbalwa. Ndakhe kwintlanganiso e-UK ngaxeshanye, kwakudala, ewe, kwaye lo mbuzo wento esiyenzayo e-Afghanistan weza.
Kwakukho umfazi kubaphulaphuli owayekhe waya e-Afghanistan, kwaye wayekhala ngamehlo. Kwaye, ewe, kundichaphazele kakhulu. Uthe, “Uyazi, siqhushumisa ezi 'ntaba' kwaye kuthi, ziintaba nje. Kodwa baneenkqubo zokuzisa amanzi ezintabeni ezantsi kwiilali ezinamakhulu eminyaka ubudala. Olu luhlobo lomonakalo wesibambiso esingawuqwalaseliyo. ” Ke, ibiyinto enye leyo.
Kwaye enye yile. Ndikhumbula into eyathethwa nguJohan Galtung, yokuba wenza udliwanondlebe nabantu abaninzi baseArabhu malunga nobunqolobi. Wabuza, "Ufuna ntoni?" Uyazi ukuba bathini? Sifuna ukuhlonelwa inkolo yethu. ” Kwaye ngekhe kuhlawule nto. Kwaye kunjalo nakweTaliban.
Ewe, banezenzo ekungekho mntu unokuzihlonipha. Kodwa isiseko sayo kukuba xa ungabahloniphi abantu ngento esondele kakhulu kubo njengenkolo yabo, baya kuziphatha kakubi. Inje, "Kulungile, siza kuyenza ngakumbi." "Siza kuba ngcono uqeqesho," njengoko uShylock esitsho. Kuya kufuneka senze into ephikisanayo kwaye siyiguqule loo psychology. Yile nto ndiyicingayo.
UKathy: Ndicinga ukuba nathi sidinga ukuba mhlawumbi siqonde ukuba inkolo ephambili, ndiyakholelwa, kwilizwe lethu namhlanje ibe yimpi. Ndicinga ukuba izithethe ezininzi ezenzeka ezindlwini zonqulo, ngandlela thile, zizinto ezitshayayo, kwaye zithintela abantu ekuboneni ukuba sibeka ukholo lwethu ngokwenene kubuchule bokulawula izixhobo zabanye abantu, ukulawula izixhobo zabanye abantu, nokwenza ukuba ngogonyamelo. Kwaye ngenxa yokuba sinayo loo nto okanye sikhe salawula, sikwazile ukuhlala kakuhle- mhlawumbi ngokusetyenziswa kakhulu, ngolawulo oluninzi lwezixhobo kuba silindele ukufumana izibonelelo ezixabisekileyo zabanye abantu ngamaxabiso asezantsi.
Ke, ndiyacinga, uyazi, iinkqubo zethu zonqulo bezisenzakalisa abanye abantu njengalezo zeTaliban. Sisenokungabethi abantu esidlangalaleni kwindawo engaphandle, kodwa uyazi, xa iibhombu zethu - ezi, umzekelo, xa idrone ivutha umlilo wesihogo, ungacinga ukuba loo missile-ayisiyiyo kuphela i-100 yeepawundi zentsimbi etyhidiweyo imoto okanye indlu, kodwa ke ingxelo yokugqibela yayo, ibizwa [R9X] imijukujelwa, iyahluma, phantse, ngathi iincakuba ezintandathu. Bayadubula njenge-switchblade. Amakhulu, amade amade. Emva koko khawucinge ngomatshini wokucheba ingca, uhlobo lwakudala. Baqala ukujikeleza kwaye banqumle, bayicoca imizimba yakhe nabani na ohlaselweyo. Ngoku, uyazi, intle kakhulu, akunjalo?
Kwaye khawufane ucinge abantwana base-Ahmedi. Yayisisiphelo sobomi babo eso. Ke, sineendlela ezimbi kakhulu. Kwaye ukungabi nonyanzelo kukunyanzela inyaniso. Kufuneka sithethe inyani kwaye sizijonge esipilini. Kwaye le ndiyithethileyo inene, kunzima ukuyijonga. Kodwa ndicinga ukuba kuyafuneka ukuze siziqonde ngcono ukuba singoobani kwaye singatsho njani ukuba, “Siyaxolisa. Siyaxolisa kakhulu, ”kwaye wenze imbuyekezo ethi asizukuqhubeka noku.
UStephanie: UKathy Kelly, sinemizuzu embalwa eshiyekileyo kwaye ndiyazibuza ukuba uziva njani malunga ne-Afghanistan ukuba ayibikho phambili kwisazela sabantu iminyaka emininzi de iUnited States ikhuphe. Udliwanondlebe nodemokhrasi ngoku kunye neNtatheli yeSizwe yamaKatolika. Ugcwele iindaba ngoku. Abantu bafuna ukuthetha nawe. Ucinga ukuba yintoni ekufuneka siyivile ukuze singayiyeki le nto ihambe xa izihloko ziyeke ukuyikhomba? Kufuneka senze ntoni?
UKathy: Ewe kuyinyani ukuba ingqalelo ihlawulwe kwezi veki zintathu zidlulileyo kunaleyo ihlawulwe kule minyaka ingama-20 idlulileyo iye eAfghanistan. Umbuzo omkhulu kakhulu, kodwa ndicinga ukuba amabali asinceda ukuba siqonde ubunyani bethu.
Ke, xa uyisa ezantsi kwikholeji yasekuhlaleni okanye eyunivesithi ekufutshane, ngaba singacela oonjingalwazi abaqeshiweyo kunye neengqonyela ukuba benze inkxalabo malunga nenxalenye yekharityhulam yabo yase-Afghanistan, inxenye yezifundo zabo zangaphandle. Xa sicinga ngezindlu zonqulo, izindlu zesikhungu kunye nemosque kunye neecawe, singababuza, ungasinceda senze inkxalabo yokwenene ngabantu abavela eAfghanistan?
Ngaba singanceda ukuzisa iimbacu kwindawo esihlala kuyo kwaye sifunde kubo? Ngaba sinokuba nabantu abaya kudibana nabo kwaye babe sisixhobo esihlangeneyo sabantwana ababambeke e-Afghanistan ngoku? Okanye kubantu abakwimeko entle ePakistan? Singabhenela kookopolotyeni bethu bokutya basekuhlaleni kunye namaqela endalo kunye neengcali ze-permaculture kwaye sithi, “Uyazi ntoni? Aba bantwana baseAfghanistan bayathanda ukufundela inkqubo yezolimo. Ngaba singenza unxibelelwano ngale ndlela size siqhubeke sixhuma, sidibanisa, sixhuma? ”
Uyazi, ndibuze abahlobo bam abancinci e-Afghanistan, “Ufuna ukucinga ngokubhala ibali lakho. Uyazi, mhlawumbi ubhalele umntu obalekele kwenye imeko ileta. ” Ke, mhlawumbi sinokwenza okufanayo. Uyazi, uhambelana kwaye wabelane ngamabali. Enkosi ngokubuza lo mbuzo ubalulekileyo.
Yonke imibuzo yakho ibikhona- kufana nokuya ekuphumeni. Ndiyabulela kakhulu ngexesha lakho ngale ntsasa. Enkosi ngokumamela. Nina nobabini niyaphulaphula.
UStephanie: Enkosi kakhulu ngokuzibandakanya nathi namhlanje. Kwaye egameni labaphulaphuli bethu, enkosi kakhulu, uKathy Kelly.
UKathy: Konke kulungile. Mkhulu, enkosi. Usale kakuhle, Michael. Usale kakuhle, uStephanie.
UMichael: Sala kakuhle, Kathy. Kude ibe lilixa elizayo.
UStephanie: Bye.
UKathy: Konke kulungile. Kude ibe lilixa elizayo.
UStephanie: Sasithetha nje noKathy Kelly, elinye lamalungu asungula iiVoices entlango, eyathi kamva yaziwa njengeVoices for Creative Nonviolence. Ungumququzeleli kwi-Ban Killer Drones Campaign, umlweli kunye World Beyond War, Kwaye uye eAfghanistan phantse amaxesha angama-30. Unombono omangalisayo.
Sishiyeke nemizuzu embalwa. UMichael Nagler, nceda usinike ingxelo yokungaxhatshazi. Ubusenza umbono obanzi malunga nokwenzakala kokuziphatha emva kodliwanondlebe lwethu lokugqibela noKelly Borhaug kwaye ndiyathemba ukuba ungathetha kancinci kwindlela ezi ngcinga eziye zakhula ngayo kwimizuzu embalwa ezayo.
UMichael: Ewe. Olunye uthotho lwemibuzo yakho elungileyo, uStephanie. Ndibhale inqaku, kwaye ndilungiselela ukubhala ngaphezulu. Inqaku libizwa ngokuba, "yiAfghanistan kunye nokwenzakala kokuziphatha."
Eyona nto ndiyithethayo kukuba ezi zizinto ezibini ezinkulu kakhulu, ezingenakuphazanyiswa zisithi, “Buyela umva. Uhamba ngendlela engeyiyo. ” I-Afghanistan enye ibhekisa kwinto yokuba ukusukela ngo-1945, i-United States ichithe-ifumana le- $ 21 trillion. Khawufane ucinge ngento esinokuyenza ngaloo nto. $ 21 trillion kuthotho olude lweemfazwe, akukho nanye kuzo ethi "yaphumelela" ngokwesiqhelo. Ukukhumbuza umntu owathi, "Awunakuphumelela emfazweni njengokuba ungaphumelela inyikima."
Elinye icandelo kwinqaku lam, "Ukulimala kokuziphatha" likwinqanaba elahluke kakhulu, kodwa ngakumbi lixela ngandlela ithile, ukuba lenza ntoni kumntu ukuba athathe inxaxheba kwinkqubo eyenzakalisayo kwaye enzakalise abanye.
Besisoloko sicinga lonto, uyazi, “Ha-ha. Yingxaki yakho, ayiyiyo eyam. ” Kodwa nakwisayensi ye-neuroscience kule mihla, sinokubonisa ukuba xa wenzakalisa omnye umntu, loo ngozi ibhalisa kwingqondo yakho, kwaye ukuba singakuthathela ingqalelo oko, awungekhe wenzakalise abanye ngaphandle kokuzenzakalisa. Ayisiyoyonyani yokuziphatha kuphela. Yinyani yesayensi yobuchopho. Nangona kukho imilinganiselo yokuziphatha kwindalo iphela, icala kunye nenyaniso yokuba njengendlela yokusombulula iingxaki ayisasebenzi. Ngokwenyani siyakhuthazeka ukufumana enye indlela.
Ke, ndiza kugqamisa iqela elibonakala ngathi linethemba kakhulu kum. Yintlangano enkulu, njengemibutho emininzi namhlanje eyenza olu hlobo lokwahluka, luyasebenzisana, amanye amaqela amaninzi ayathanda Uqeqesho loTshintsho njalo njalo ziyinxalenye yayo. Kukukhula kokuHlala, kwaye kuyabizwa Momentum.
Kwaye into endiyithandayo kakhulu ngayo, kuba le yinto endicinga ukuba kudala siyiphosa, kukuba ayisiyonto yokulungiselela nje, kodwa ilunge kakhulu ekuncedeni ukuba ulungiselele injongo ethile okanye umba othile. Kodwa benza uqeqesho kunye nesicwangciso-qhinga kwaye bayayisebenzela kakhulu ngokwenzululwazi.
Yinto elula ukujonga phezulu: nje Momentum. Iwebhusayithi enomtsalane kwaye yonke into ngeli qela indibethile njengokhuthazayo. Ngokukodwa inyani, kwaye silapha kwi-Radio ye-Nonviolence ngale ntsasa, ukuba bayakhankanya ngokubonakalayo kwiindawo ezibalulekileyo ukuba ubundlobongela buya kulandelwa kuyo yonke into abayenzayo. Ke, lelo lixesha.
Ukongeza kwinqaku eliza kuphuma, "iAfghanistan kunye nokwenzakala kokuziphatha," bendifuna ukukhankanya ukuba kwiYunivesithi yaseToledo ngomhla wamashumi amabini anesithoba kule nyanga, kweyoMsintsi, kuzakubakhona ukubonisa ifilimu yethu. Kwakukho umboniso kutshanje eRaleigh, eMantla Carolina kuMnyhadala weFilimu woThatho. Ndicinga ukuba banendawo ethile yokurekhoda kwayo yonke into ebonisiweyo.
Ke, yintoni enye eyenzekayo? Gosh kakhulu. Sisekupheleni Umkhankaso weVeki yokuSebenza ngokuNgenabundlobongela ephele ngomhla wama-21, uSuku loXolo lwaMazwe ngaMazwe, hayi ngengozi. Kwaye kusenokwenzeka ukuba bendikhe ndayikhankanya le nto ngaphambili, kodwa kulo nyaka bekungekho ngaphantsi kwezenzo ezingama-4300 kunye neziganeko zomlinganiswa ongenabundlobongela owenzeka kwilizwe liphela.
Ukuza kungekudala, nge-1 ku-Okthobha, usuku olungaphambi komhla wokuzalwa kukaMahatma Gandhi, kwiYunivesithi yaseStanford umhlobo wethu uClay Carson uzakuba nendlu evulekileyo apho singafunda ngakumbi malunga neprojekthi enomdla kakhulu esele iqalile ukubizwa, "IProjekthi yeNdlu yeHlabathi. ” Ke, yiya kwiZiko loXolo kunye nezoBulungisa eMLK eStanford kwaye ujonge indlu evulekileyo kwaye ukrobe ngelo xesha ngolwesiHlanu, Okthobha 1.
UStephanie: NgoLwesihlanu, nge-1 ka-Okthobha siza kube sisenza enye imiboniso bhanyabhanya yeThathu iHarmony no-Ela Gandhi owayekwiRadio ye-Nonviolence kwiiveki ezimbini ezidlulileyo. Oko kuyakuba kukubhiyozela Usuku lwaMazwe ngaMazwe lweNkululeko, kwaye kuyakuba njalo eMzantsi Afrika. Kodwa iya kufumaneka kwi-Intanethi.
UMichael, khange sitsho ukuba uSeptemba 21 nguSuku loXolo lwaMazwe ngaMazwe. Iziko leMetta linxulunyaniswa neZizwe eziManyeneyo ECOSOC. Sinesimo esikhethekileyo sokubonisana. Eli ziko lehlabathi lisebenza kwimicimbi yoxolo kunye nogonyamelo. Siyavuya ukunceda ukuxhasa oko.
Kwaye kukho olu hlobo lwexesha elikhethekileyo phakathi kukaSeptemba 21 olusuku loXolo lwaMazwe ngaMazwe kunye no-Okthobha u-2, olusuku lokuzalwa kukaMahatma Gandhi, kananjalo nosuku lweHlabathi lokuNgabikho koBundlobongela, ukuba umsebenzi omninzi obalulekileyo unokwenzeka, kungoko uMkhankaso wokuNgabikho koBundlobongela kwaye kutheni kunjalo Ikhethekileyo kuthi ukuba sibe nomntu ozinikele ekupheliseni imfazwe kumdlalo wethu namhlanje, uKathy Kelly.
Sibulela kakhulu isikhululo sikamama, i-KWMR, kuKathy Kelly ngokusimanya nathi, kuMat Watrous ngokukhuphela nokuhlela umboniso, Annie Hewitt, kuBryan Farrell e Ukuguquka kobuNtu, ohlala encedisa ukwabelana ngomboniso kwaye ayenze phezulu apho. Kwaye kuni, baphulaphuli bethu, enkosi kakhulu. Kwaye kuye wonke umntu oye wanceda ukucinga ngezimvo kunye nemibuzo kulo mboniso, enkosi kakhulu. Kude kube lixesha elizayo, banakekelane.
Eli nqaku libonisa umculo ukusuka IiRekhodi zeDAF.
