Ukungavisisani kuyaqhubeka nokukhula phakathi kwe-United States kunye neNorth Korea, emva kotyelelo lukaNobhala wezoKhuselo wase-US uJames Mattis iveki yonke e-Asia nangaphambi kotyelelo lukaTrump lweentsuku ezili-12 kamva kule veki. UMattis ugxininise kwisisombululo sezozakuzaku malunga nokuma phakathi kwala mazwe mabini, kodwa walumkisa ukuba i-US ayizukuyamkela inyukliya yaseNyakatho Korea. Iidemokhrasi zeCongressional zityhala umthetho onokuthi uthintele uMongameli uTrump ekuqaliseni uqhankqalazo oluya kuMntla Korea. Sithetha noChristine Ahn, umseki kunye nomlawuli olawulayo we-Women Cross DMZ, intshukumo yehlabathi yabasetyhini abahlanganisana ukuphelisa iMfazwe yaseKorea.
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NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Yi le Intando yeninzi Ngoku!, democracynow.org, Ingxelo Yemfazwe Nezoxolo. Ndingu-Amy Goodman, kunye noNermeen Shaikh.
I-NEMEEN I-SHAIKH: Ngoku siphendukela kuMntla Korea, apho ingxabano iqhubeka isanda ne-United States. Ngexesha lokundwendwela iveki yonke e-Asiya, unobhala wezoKhuselo uJames Mattis ugxininise kwisisombululo sozakuzo malunga nokuma phakathi kwala mazwe mabini, kodwa walumkisa ngelithi i-US ayizukuyamkela inyukliya yaseNorth Korea. Lo nguMattis ethetha ngoMgqibelo ngexesha lentlanganiso kunye nomlingani wakhe waseMzantsi Korea, u-Song Young-moo, eSeoul.
UKUFUNEKA UNOBHALA IJAMES MATTIS: Ungenzi mpazamo: Naluphi na uhlaselo lwase-United States okanye amahlakani ethu aya koyiswa. Nakuphi na ukusetyenziswa kwezixhobo zenyukliya nguMantla kuya kuhlangatyezwana nempendulo enkulu yomkhosi, esebenzayo neyoyikekayo. ... Andikwazi ukucinga imeko apho iUnited States iya kwamkela iNorth Korea njengamandla enyukliya.
I-NEMEEN I-SHAIKH: UMattis ufike eMzantsi Korea ngoLwesihlanu kuhambo lweentsuku ezimbini ukuya kweli lizwe, ngaphambi kotyelelo kamva kule veki kulo mmandla nguDonald Trump. UTrump kulindeleke ukuba atyelele iTshayina, iVietnam, iJapan, iiPhilippines kunye noMzantsi Korea kutyelelo lweentsuku ezili-12. Amagosa e-White House ahlula-hlulwe malunga nokuba uTrump kufuneka atyelele uMmandla we-Demilitarized phakathi koMntla noMzantsi ngexesha lohambo, ngenkxalabo yokuba utyelelo lunokwandisa ngakumbi isoyikiso semfazwe yenyukliya.
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Ukungavisisani phakathi kweNorth Korea kunye ne-United States kuye kwakhiwa emva kothotho lovavanyo lwenyukliya kunye ne-missile nguPyongyang kunye nokutshintshiselana ngamazwi phakathi kukaTrump kunye nenkokeli yaseNyakatho Korea uKim Jong-un. UTrump usongele ngokutshabalalisa yonke iNorth Korea, isizwe sabantu abazizigidi ezingama-25. UTrump ubhale kwi-tweet kwinyanga ephelileyo, "Ndive nje uMphathiswa Wezangaphandle waseNyakatho Korea ethetha kwi-UN ukuba uphinda iingcinga zikaLittle Rocket Man, azizukubakho ixesha elide!" I-tweet kaTrump yeza njengoko umphathiswa wezangaphandle waseNyakatho Korea uRi Yong-ho wathi uTrump "ukwiphulo lokuzibulala." Iidemokhrasi zeCongressional zityhala umthetho onokuthi uthintele uMongameli uTrump ekuqaliseni uqhankqalazo oluya kuMntla Korea.
Ewe, ngakumbi, sidityaniswe nguChristine Ahn, umseki kunye nomlawuli olawulayo weWomen Cross DMZ, intshukumo yehlabathi yabasetyhini abahlanganisana ukuphelisa iMfazwe yaseKorea. Uthetha nathi eseHawaii.
Christine, enkosi ngokuzimanya nathi kwakhona Intando yeninzi Ngoku! Ngaba unokuthetha malunga nokuqukunjelwa kolu tyelelo lukaMattis kunye nokunyuka, kwakhona, ukuxhatshazwa kwe-US-North Korea kunye nento esinokuyilindela njengoko uMongameli uTrump esiya kummandla ngeentsuku ezimbalwa?
uChristine AHN: Molo, Amy.
Kubonakala ngathi ingxelo kaMattis, ngakumbi kwi DMZ, ukuba i-US ayifuni ukuya emfazweni kunye neNorth Korea, yayiluhlobo oluthile lwengxelo yokulungiselela ngaphambili-phambi kokutyelela kukaTrump e-Asia, ngokukodwa eMzantsi Korea, apho abantu abaninzi baseMzantsi Korea bamoyika uDonald Trump kunokuba benza uKim Jong-un. Kwaye, eneneni, uqhanqalazo olukhulu luyacetywa. Bekukho isikhumbuzo soguquko lokhanyiso lwekhandlela kule mpelaveki iphelileyo, kwaye ngaphezulu kwe-220 imibutho yoluntu yabhengeza ukuba iza kubamba uqhanqalazo olukhulu ukusuka nge-4 kaNovemba ukuya nge-7 kulo lonke ilizwe, ibhengeze ukuba akusekho mfazwe, akusayi kuphinda kulolongelwe emkhosini, bayeke i-brinksmanship. ngokucacileyo isoyikisa uninzi lwabantu eMzantsi Korea kunye nabaninzi abasenosapho eNorth Korea. Ke, ndicinga ukuba, uyazi, ibilinyathelo elikhawulezileyo ukukhuthaza abantu baseMzantsi Korea, kuba, ngokucacileyo, uTrump uza kungena enze iingxelo ezixhokonxayo. Kwaye ndicinga ukuba yayiyinxalenye yenyathelo ukwenza oko.
Into esingasoloko siyiva kumajelo eendaba, nangona kunjalo, kukuba i-US ithumele abathwali beenqwelomoya ezintathu zenyukliya ukuba zifakwe kwi-Peninsula yaseKorea. Bebeqhuba umlo odityanisiweyo wemfazwe kunye noMzantsi Korea, kubandakanya ii-Navy SEALs ezithathe u-Osama bin Laden. Ziyabandakanya uqhanqalazo lokunqunyulwa kwentloko. Kwaye ke, uyazi, yinto enye ukuthi, "Asifuni mfazwe noMntla Korea," kwaye enye kukubeka izizathu zaloo nto. Kwaye ayizizo kuphela izenzo zomkhosi ezixhokonxayo eziqhubekayo, kodwa izoyikiso. Ndiyathetha, siyaqhubeka ukuva izoyikiso ezivela kuyo yonke iKhabhinethi kaTrump. UMike Pompeo, u CIA Umlawuli, utshilo kwiSiseko seForam yezoKhuselo kule veki iphelileyo ukuba amayelenqe okubulala ayaqhubeka uKim Jong-un. U-HR McMaster uthe, uyazi, ukwamkelwa kunye nokuthintela ayisiyiyo inketho. Kwaye uTillerson uthe, uyazi, siza kuthetha de ibhombu yokuqala iwe. Ke, uyazi, oku akumemi ngokwenene iNorth Korea ukuba ibandakanyeke kwingxoxo, eyona nto ifunekayo ngokungxamisekileyo.
I-NEMEEN I-SHAIKH: Ewe, ungatsho kancinci, Christine, malunga nendlela eyasabela ngayo iNorth Korea? Usandula ukukhankanya ukuba uMzantsi Korea kunye ne-US babambe umthambo mva nje. Yathini impendulo yoMntla Korea kolu qheliselo? Kwaye ngaba sikho isizathu sokukholelwa ukuba iNorth Korea isavulekele iingxoxo? Kaloku ayisiyiyo le nto siyifumana kumajelo eendaba.
uChristine AHN: Ngokuqinisekileyo. Ewe, ndicinga ukuba kubalulekile ukuqaphela ukuba asibonanga naluphi na uvavanyo lwe-missile okanye uvavanyo lwenyukliya malunga neentsuku ze-38 ukusuka kwicala laseNyakatho Korea. Andiqondi ukuba oko kuthetha ukuba abasayi kuqhubeka. Bayenze yacaca gca into yokuba bakwindlela yokufikelela kwinyukliya—uyazi, i I-ICBM enokuthi ifake intloko yenyukliya, enokubetha iUnited States. Kwaye, uyazi, uqikelelo oluninzi kukuba bakude neenyanga ukwenza loo nto.
Kodwa, uyazi, andazi ukuba uyakhumbula na, emva kweTrump, uyazi, "itshabalalise ngokupheleleyo iNorth Korea" intetho kwi-UN, umphathiswa wezangaphandle waseNorth Korea, uRi Yong-ho, wathi, uyazi-kwaye mna. qikelela ukuba kwenzeke ntoni, kule mpelaveki, i-US yabhabha i-F-15 inqwelomoya yokulwa inqumla kumda osemantla kumda waselwandle. Oko kukwaphula ngokupheleleyo, uyazi, isivumelwano sokuba loo mgca wasentla uya kuba ngumgca ongayi kugqithwa ukuthintela naluphi na uhlobo lwemibhobhozo. Ke, ukuphendula loo nto, iNorth Korea ithe, "Sizakubetha kwaye sehlise iinqwelomoya zase-US, nokuba azikho kumjikelezo wethu okanye ngaphakathi kwethu, uyazi, indawo yejografi." Kwaye ke, uyazi, iNorth Korea yenze kwacaca ukuba bazakuphinda baziphindezele.
Kwaye ke, ngenxa yokuba akukho ziteshi, ngokwenene, iziteshi ezisemthethweni-kukho iziteshi ezincinci zangasese ezibanjwayo, uyazi, iingxoxo ze-1.5 phakathi kwamagosa ase-US angaphambili kunye norhulumente waseNyakatho Korea. Inene akukho ntetho ziqhubekayo. Kwaye ndicinga ukuba yiyiphi imeko eyingozi esikuyo, kukuba, uyazi, xa uvavanyo olulandelayo lwaseNyakatho Korea luqhutywa, ngaba i-US iya kuba ilungele ukuyibetha? Yaye ngaba oko kuya kuba sisiqalo sokunyuka okuyingozi kakhulu?
Enyanisweni, uyazi, i-Congressional Research Service ikhuphe ingxelo ngoLwesihlanu. Bathi kwiintsuku ezimbalwa zokuqala, abantu abangama-330,000 baya kubulawa ngoko nangoko. Kwaye oko kukusebenzisa izixhobo eziqhelekileyo. Kwaye nje ukuba udibanise izixhobo zenyukliya, uyazi, baqikelela abantu abazizigidi ezingama-25. Ndiyathetha, uliqikelela njani inani labantu, ngakumbi kwingingqi apho iJapan, iSouth Korea, iChina, iRussia, kunye neNorth Korea, ngokucacileyo, enezixhobo zenyukliya ezifikelela kuma-60?
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: UChristine-
uChristine AHN: Ngoko—ewe?
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: UChristine, sinemizuzwana engama-20, kodwa kuthekani ngale ngxoxo malunga nokuba uMongameli uTrump kufuneka atyelele uMmandla we-Demilitarized Zone? Intsingiselo yoku?
uChristine AHN: Ewe, ndicinga ukuba akacebanga ukutyelela apho. Ndicinga ukuba, uyazi, ulawulo lwakhe lunexhala lokuba uza kwenza iintetho ezixhokonxayo ezinokuthi zibangele abantu baseNyakatho Korea. Kwaye ke, ngoku ndicinga ukuba eyona nto ibaluleke kakhulu kukuba kukho ukuhlanganiswa kwabantu abaphantsi kwilizwe lonke e-United States, uqhanqalazo olukhulu lucetywa ngoNovemba 11th, ngoSuku lweArmistice, ngamaVeteran woXolo. Kwaye-
NGABA INDAODA ELUNGILE: Kuya kufuneka siyishiye apho, Christine Ahn, kodwa siza kuyenza Icandelo 2 kwaye uyithumele kwi-intanethi kwi-democracynow.org.
