Ngasekupheleni kokutshintsha umbono wethu wokuba yintoni ebaluleke njengokuthi "ukwenza into," ndinikezela ngomboniso odibeneyo wodliwanondlebe oluninzi endilwenzileyo.
Udliwano-ndlebe: Ke uya kumisa iinqwelomoya kunye needrones kunye neebhombu kunye nemikhosi ekhethekileyo. Uthethe okuninzi malunga nento obungayi kuyenza, kodwa ungatsho ukuba ubuya kwenza ntoni?
Mna: Ngokuqinisekileyo, ndiyakholelwa ukuba urhulumente wase-United States kufuneka acebise kwaye azame ukuthetha-thethana kwaye kwangaxeshanye ngokuzimeleyo aqalise ukupheliswa kokudubula. Xa uMongameli uKennedy wacela iSoviet Union ukuba ivume ukuvalwa kovavanyo lwenyukliya, wabhengeza ukuba i-United States nayo iqhubela phambili kwaye iyalumisa. Uthetha-thethwano luncedwa ngobunkokeli ngomzekelo. Ukuba i-United States iyeke ukubandakanyeka okanye ukuncedisa kumlilo ophilayo kuya kunika amandla amakhulu kuthethathethwano lokuphelisa umlilo.
Udliwano-ndlebe: Ke, kwakhona, uya kuyeka ukudubula, kodwa ubuya kwenza ntoni endaweni yoko?
Mna: I-United States kufanele ukuba iphakamise kwaye isebenze ukuthethathethana kwaye iqale ngokungekho macala kwi-embargo yezixhobo. Ndithi iUnited States kuba ndihlala apho kwaye uninzi lwezixhobo ezikuMbindi Mpuma zivela eUnited States. Ukuthatha inxaxheba kwe-US iyodwa kuthintelo lwezixhobo kuya kuphelisa uninzi lokubonelela ngezixhobo eNtshona Asia. Ukuyeka ukungxamela iSaudi Arabia izixhobo ezininzi kuya kwenza okulungileyo kunokubhala ingxelo ngenkohlakalo yobo bukumkani, umzekelo. Uthintelo lwezixhobo kufuneka luphuhliswe ukuze luquke isizwe ngasinye kulo mmandla kwaye sandiswe ekubeni kuthotywe izixhobo - okokuqala kwaye kuqala kuzo zonke izixhobo zenyukliya, zebhayoloji kunye nezekhemikhali (ewe, kubandakanywa nezikaSirayeli). I-United States inamandla okwenza oku, kodwa hayi ngelixa isebenza ngokuchasene nayo - njengoko isenza ngamandla ngoku.
Udliwano-ndlebe: Kwakhona, nantsi into ongafuni ukuyenza: ukubonelela ngezixhobo. Kodwa ngaba kukho into ofuna ukuyenza?
Mna: Ngaphandle kokudala uxolo kunye ne-WMD-free Middle East? Ewe, ndiyavuya ubuze. Ndingathanda ukubona urhulumente wase-US esungula inkqubo enkulu yembuyekezo kunye noncedo kubantu base-Iraq, eLibya, eYemen, ePalestine, ePakistan, eBahrain, eSyria, eYiphutha, nakuwo wonke lo mmandla. (Nceda, nceda, nceda uthathe ilizwi lam kulo lokuba andidwelisi lonke uhlanga olulodwa ngenjongo yokulondoloza ixesha, kwaye kungekhona ngenxa yokuba ndicaphukela abanye babo okanye nayiphi na impambano enjalo.) uncedo, i-medical aid, iziseko zophuhliso, amandla aluhlaza, abasebenzi boxolo, amakhaka abantu, iteknoloji yonxibelelwano yokusetyenziswa okudumileyo kweendaba zoluntu, ukucocwa kwendalo, kunye notshintshiselwano lwenkcubeko kunye nemfundo. Kwaye kufuneka ihlawulwe (qaphela ukuba kufuneka ihlawulwe kwaye ke ngoko kufuneka ibalwe njengeyona nto ingundoqo yongxowankulu "ukwenza into") ngokunciphisa okuthobekileyo kwi-militarism yase-US - enyanisweni, ukuguqula amaziko omkhosi wase-US kuMbindi. IMpuma ibe amandla aluhlaza kunye namaziko enkcubeko, kwaye ayinike kubahlali.
Udliwano-ndlebe: Ndikuthiyile ukuba ndiqhubeke ndibuza umbuzo ofanayo, kodwa, kwakhona, yintoni obuya kuyenza nge-ISIS? Ukuba uyayichasa imfazwe, ngaba uyawaxhasa amanyathelo amapolisa? Yintoni into, nantoni na ngenxa yokulunga, onokuthi uyenze yhooooo?
Mna: Ewe, ngaphezu kokumisa ubundlobongela, ukuxoxisana ngokuchithwa kwezixhobo, kunye nokutyalomali kwisikali kunye nenqanaba lobubele obuhloniphekileyo ukukhupha iSicwangciso seMarshall ngqo kwiincwadi zembali, ndiza kuqalisa iinzame zokulahla i-ISIS yenkxaso-mali kunye nezixhobo. Ukuyekiswa ngokubanzi kokuthunyelwa kwezixhobo, kakade, kuya kuba luncedo. Ukuphelisa uhlaselo lomoya esona sixhobo sikhulu sokugaya se-ISIS siya kunceda. Kodwa iSaudi Arabia kunye namanye amagunya engingqi kufuneka aziswe ukuze acime inkxaso-mali kwi-ISIS. Oko ngekhe kube nzima ukwenza ukuba urhulumente wase-US uyekile ukucinga ngeSaudi Arabia njengomthengi wezixhobo ezixabisekileyo kwaye wayeka ukuqubuda kuyo yonke imfuno yakhe.
Udliwano-ndlebe: Yeka inkxaso-mali. Yeka ukubamba izixhobo. Konke oku kuvakala kumnandi. Kwaye uqhubeka uyithetha ngokuphindaphindiweyo. Kodwa ndiza kukucela okokugqibela ukuba uthethe into obuya kuyenza endaweni yoko, kwaye sesiphi isixhobo obuya kusisebenzisa kanye ukwenza loo nto.
Mna: Ndingasebenzisa isixhobo esiphelisa iintshaba ngokuzijika zibe yinto engeyiyo iintshaba. Ndiya kuyamkela ingcamango yokuba i-ISIS isebenza ngokuchasene nayo. Ayichasi impi yase-US. Iyatya ngayo. I-ISIS ichasene nobuntu. Ndingazamkela iimbacu ngaphandle komda. Ndiya kwenza i-United States ibe yinxalenye yoluntu lwehlabathi ngokulinganayo kunye nentsebenziswano, ukujoyina ngaphandle kokungabaza kwiNkundla yoLwaphulo-mthetho lwamazwe ngamazwe, kunye nezivumelwano ezikhoyo malunga namalungelo omntwana, imigodi yomhlaba, iibhombu zamaqela, ucalucalulo lobuhlanga, ukucalulwa kwabasetyhini, izixhobo ezisemajukujukwini, amalungelo abasebenzi abafudukayo, ukurhweba ngezixhobo, ukukhuselwa ekunyamaleni, amalungelo abantu abaneziphene, uMnqophiso Wezizwe Ngezizwe Wamalungelo Ezoqoqosho, Ezentlalo Nenkcubeko, neSivumelwano Sezizwe Ngezizwe Samalungelo Abantu Nabezobupolitika. Ndiza kusebenzela ukuguqula iZizwe eziManyeneyo ngokuqala ngokusetyenziswa kwe-veto. Ndingabhengeza umgaqo-nkqubo wokuyeka ukuxhasa okanye ukubhukuqa oozwilakhe bamazwe angaphandle. Ndiya kuvakalisa izicwangciso zokuxhasa ukungabikho kobundlobongela, idemokhrasi, kunye nokuzinza ekhaya nakwamanye amazwe, ekhokela ngomzekelo - kubandakanywa nommandla wokuchithwa kwezixhobo. Ukuhlaziya idemokhrasi yase-US ngokususa inkqubo yokunyoba okusemthethweni kunye nalo lonke uluhlu lohlaziyo olufunekayo kuya kuba ngumzekelo kwaye kuvumele imigaqo-nkqubo yedemokhrasi eyongezelelekileyo. Ndingasusa uvelwano lwethu olumiselwe ngokusemthethweni Sonke singamaFrentshi ukuba SiLihlabathi Lonke. Ukucinga ukuba nawaphi na ale manyathelo awahambelani ne-ISIS kukungaqondi amandla e-propaganda, umfanekiso, kunye nokunxibelelana kwentlonelo ehloniphekileyo okanye ukuzikhukhumeza.
Udliwano-ndlebe: Ewe, siphelelwe lixesha, kwaye okwangoku awuzukundixelela nantoni na obuya kuyenza. Ngelishwa, oko kusishiya sibophelelekile ukuba sixhase uhlaselo lwe-ISIS, njengoko singathandi imfazwe.
