Hondo Inobatsira Kupisa Dambudziko Remamiriro ekunze sezvo US Mauto Carbon Emissions Inodarika zana nemakumi mana+ Nyika.

AMY MURUME AKANAKA: Vaimbove mutungamiri weAmerica, VaBarack Obama, vakataura neMuvhuro kumusangano weUnited Nations wemamiriro ekunze, vachishoropodza vatungamiri veChina neRussia nekusapinda munhaurirano dziri kuGlasgow.

BARACK OBAMA: Nyika zhinji dzakakundikana kuva neshungu sezvadzinofanira kuva. Kuwedzera, kukwidziridzwa kwechishuwo kwataitarisira muParis makore matanhatu apfuura hakuna kuitika zvakafanana. Ndinofanira kureurura, zvainyanya kuodza moyo kuona vatungamiriri vemakambani makuru maviri epasi rose, China neRussia, vachiramba kuenda kudare. Uye hurongwa hwavo hwenyika kusvika parizvino hunoratidza kunoratidzika kunge kushaikwa kwengozi kwekukurumidzira, kuda kuchengetedza chinzvimbo kwakabva kudivi rehurumende idzodzo. Zvino zvinonyadzisa.

AMY MURUME AKANAKA: Kunyange hazvo VaObama vakadoma China neRussia, vanorwira kodzero dzemamiriro ekunze vakashoropodza mutungamiri wenyika VaObama pachena nekutadza kuita zvisungo zvavakaita semutungamiri wenyika pamwe nebasa ravo rekuona mauto makuru pasi rose. Uyu muPhilippine activist Mitzi Tan.

MITZI kusviba: Ini ndinofunga kuti President Obama vanoodza moyo, nekuti vakazvirumbidza semutungamiri weBlack ane hanya nevanhu verudzi, asi dai vakadaro, vangadai vasina kutitadza. Angadai asina kurega izvi zvichiitika. Angadai asina kuuraya vanhu nema drone strikes. Uye izvo zvakabatana nedambudziko remamiriro ekunze, nekuti mauto eUS ndeimwe yeanosvibisa zvakanyanya uye achikonzera dambudziko remamiriro ekunze zvakare. Uye saka pane zvinhu zvakawanda izvo Mutungamiri Obama neUS vanofanira kuita kuti vanyatsotaura kuti ndivo vatungamiriri vemamiriro ekunze avo vari kuti ndivo.

AMY MURUME AKANAKA: Vatauri pasvondo rapfuura reChishanu rally yeRamangwana muGlasgow vakadaidzirawo basa remauto eUS munjodzi yemamiriro ekunze.

AYISHA SIDDIQA: Zita rangu ndiAisha Siddiqa. Ndinobva kuchamhembe kwePakistan. … Dhipatimendi reDziviriro reUS rine huwandu hwekabhoni hwepagore kupfuura nyika zhinji paPasi, uye ndiro zvakare rinosvibisa zvakanyanya paPasi. Kuvapo kwayo kwemauto munharaunda yangu kwakadhura United States mari inopfuura madhora masere emadhora kubvira 8. Yakakonzera kuparadzwa kwemhoteredzo muAfghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Persian Gulf huru nePakistan. Haisi chete hondo dzakakonzerwa neWestern-induced spikes mu carbon emissions, dzakatungamirira kushandiswa kweuranium yakapera, uye yakakonzera chepfu yemhepo nemvura uye yakatungamirira kukuremara kwekuberekwa, kenza uye kutambura kwezviuru zvevanhu.

AMY MURUME AKANAKA: Iyo Mari yeHondo chirongwa inofungidzira mauto eUS akagadzira akatenderedza 1.2 bhiriyoni matani ecarbon emissions pakati pe2001 ne2017, pamwe nechetatu ichiuya kubva kuhondo dzeUS mhiri kwemakungwa, kusanganisira muAfghanistan neIraq. Neimwe nhoroondo, mauto eUS akasvibisa zvakanyanya kupfuura nyika dze140 dzakasanganiswa, kusanganisira nyika zhinji dzakabudirira, dzakaita seSweden, Denmark nePortugal.

Nekudaro, kuburitswa kwekabhoni yemauto kwakanyanya kusunungurwa kubva kune dzimwe nyika zvibvumirano zvemamiriro ekunze kubva ku1997 Kyoto Protocol, nekuda kwekukurudzira kubva kuUnited States. Panguva iyoyo, boka revaneoconservatives, kusanganisira remangwana mutevedzeri wemutungamiri uye ipapo-Halliburton CEO Dick Cheney, akapokana achitsigira kusaburitsa kwese kwemauto.

NeMuvhuro, boka revanorwira mamiriro ekunze rakaratidzira kunze kwe COP kutarisa basa remauto eUS mudambudziko remamiriro ekunze.

Tasanganiswa nevaenzi vatatu. Mukati memusangano weUN mamiriro ekunze, Ramón Mejía anobatana nesu, murongi wenyika anorwisa mauto weGrassroots Global Justice Alliance. Iye muIraq War vet. Takabatanidzwa zvakare naErik Edstrom, akarwa muHondo yeAfghan uye akazodzidza shanduko yemamiriro ekunze kuOxford. Ndiye munyori we Un-American: Kuverengera kweMusoja kweHondo Yedu Yakareba Yakareba. Ari kubatana nesu kubva kuBoston. Zvakare nesu, muGlasgow, ndiNeta Crawford. Iye ane Mari yeHondo chirongwa paBrown University. Iye purofesa paBoston University. Ari kunze kwe COP.

Tinokugamuchirai mose Dememocracy Zvino! Ramón Mejía, ngatitange newe. Wakapinda mukuratidzira mukati me COP uye kunze kwe COP. Wakaenda sei kubva pakuva Iraq War veteran kuenda kumuratidziri wemamiriro ekunze?

RAMÓN MEJÍA: Ndatenda nekundiwana, Amy.

Ndakatora chikamu muchisimba cheIraq muna 2003. Sechikamu chechisimba ichocho, iyo yaiva mhosva, ndakakwanisa kuona kuparadzwa kwezvivakwa zveIraq, zvezvigadzirirwo zvayo zvemvura, zvetsvina. Uye chaiva chimwe chinhu chandaisagona kugara neni uye ndakanga ndisingakwanisi kuramba ndichitsigira. Saka, mushure mekusiya chiuto, ndaifanira kutaura uye kupikisa mauto eUS mune ese chimiro, nzira kana chimiro chazvinoratidzwa munharaunda medu. MuIraq chete, vanhu vekuIraq vanga vachitsvaga uye vakati ivo - vane kukuvara kwakanyanya kwemajini kwakambodzidzwa kana kuongororwa. Saka, chisungo changu semurwi wehondo kutaura zvinopesana nehondo, uye kunyanya mabatiro anoita hondo kwete vanhu vedu chete, nharaunda nemamiriro ekunze.

JOHANI GONZÁLEZ: Uye, Ramón Mejía, ko nezvenyaya iyi yebasa remauto eUS mukuburitsa mafuta efosil? Pawakanga uri muchiuto, paive paine pfungwa pakati pevamwe vako maGIs pamusoro pekusvibiswa kukuru uku kuri kushanya nemauto panyika?

RAMÓN MEJÍA: Pandakanga ndiri muchiuto, pakanga pasina kana nhaurirano ipi neipi pamusoro penyongano yataigadzira. Ndakafambisa makonikoni munyika yese, kuendesa zvombo, kuendesa matangi, kuendesa zvikamu zvekugadzirisa. Uye mukuita ikoko, hapana chandakaona kunze kwemarara akasara. Munoziva, kunyange mauto edu aiviga zvombo nemarara airaswa pakati pegwenga. Takanga tichipisa marara, tichigadzira utsi hune muchetura wakanganisa veterans, asi kwete veterans chete, asi vanhu veIraqi nevaya vari padyo nemakomba anopisa ane muchetura.

Saka, mauto eUS, nepo kuburitswa kwakakosha kukurukura, uye zvakakosha kuti mukati menhaurirano dzemamiriro ekunze idzi isu tigadzirise kuti mauto anobviswa sei uye hatifanirwe kudzikisa kana kuzivisa kubuda, isu tinofanirawo kukurukura nezvemhirizhonga iyo mauto. muhoro munharaunda dzedu, pamamiriro ekunze, pane zvakatipoteredza.

Munoziva, takauya nenhumwa, nhume dzepamberi dzevatungamiriri vepasi vanodarika makumi matanhatu, pasi pechiratidzo cheIt Takes Roots, kubva kuIndigenous Environmental Network, kubva kuClimate Justice Alliance, kubva kuJust Transition Alliance, kubva kuJobs with Justice. Uye isu takauya pano kuzotaura kuti hapana net zero, hapana hondo, hapana kudziya, chengetedza muvhu, nekuti vazhinji venharaunda yedu vakasangana nezvinopihwa nemauto.

Mumwe wevamiririri vedu kubva kuNew Mexico, kubva kuSouthwest Organising Project, akataura kuti mamiriyoni nemamiriyoni emafuta ejet akaparara sei muKirtland Air Force Base. Mafuta akawanda arasika uye apinda mumatsime enharaunda dzakavakidzana kupfuura Exxon Valdez, asi nhaurirano idzodzo hadzisi kuitwa. Uye isu tine imwe nhume kubva kuPuerto Rico neVieques, maedzo emunitions uye bvunzo dzezvombo zvemakemikari zvakatambudza chitsuwa, uye nepo US Navy isisipo, kenza ichiri kurova vanhu.

JOHANI GONZÁLEZ: Uye boka reGlobal Witness rakafungidzira kuti kune vanopfuura zana vemakambani emarasha, oiri negasi vanorwira kodzero nemapoka avanodyidzana nawo paCOP100. Unofungei nezvekukanganisa kwefossil peturu pagungano iri?

RAMÓN MEJÍA: Hapagone kuve nenhaurirano yechokwadi nezve kugadzirisa shanduko yemamiriro ekunze kana isu tisingasanganisire mauto. Mauto, sezvatinoziva, ndiwo mutengi mukuru wemafuta ezvicherwa uyezve anoburitsa magreenhouse gasi anonyanya kukonzera kukanganisa kwemamiriro ekunze. Saka, kana iwe uine maindasitiri emafuta emafuta ane nhume dzakakura kupfuura nharaunda dzedu dzepamberi neGlobal South, isu tiri kunyaradzwa. Iyi nzvimbo haisi nzvimbo yekukurukurirana kwechokwadi. Inhaurirano yemakambani ekunze nemaindasitiri uye hurumende dzinosvibisa kuti dzienderere mberi kuyedza nekutsvaga nzira dzekuita bhizinesi semazuva ese pasina kunyatsogadzirisa midzi yenhaurirano.

Munoziva, izvi COP yakanzi net zero, the COP ye net zero, asi iyi ingori yenhema unicorn. Imhinduro yenhema, sezvakangoita kusvibira kwemauto. Iwe unoziva, emissions, zvakakosha kuti tikurukure, asi kusvibira mauto haisiriyo mhinduro. Tinofanira kugadzirisa mhirizhonga inobhadharwa nemauto uye nenjodzi yainayo panyika yedu.

Saka, nhaurirano mukati me COP hadzisi dzechokwadi, nekuti isu hatigone kana kubata nhaurirano dzakananga uye kuita kuti avo vazvidavirire. Tinofanira kutaura mune zvakajairika. Munoziva, hatingati “mauto eUS”; tinofanira kuti "mauto." Hatingati hurumende yedu ndiyo inonyanya kukonzera kusvibiswa kwemhepo; tinofanira kutaura mune zvakajairika. Saka, kana paine iyi nzvimbo isina mwero yekutamba, tobva taziva kuti nhaurirano dzacho hadzisi dzechokwadi pano.

Hurukuro dzechokwadi uye shanduko chaiyo iri kuitika mumigwagwa nenharaunda dzedu nemafambiro edu epasi rese ari pano kuti asangokurukura chete asi kushandisa kumanikidza. Izvi - iwe unoziva, chii? Isu tanga tichizvidaidza kuti COP munoziva, vanoita purofiti. Iko kuungana kwevanoita purofiti. Ndizvo zvazviri. Uye isu tiri pano kuti tirege kubvuma nzvimbo ino inogara simba. Tauya kuzoshandisa kumanikidza, uye tiri pano kuti titaure takamiririra shamwari dzedu dzepasirese uye mafambiro anobva pasirese asingakwanise kuuya kuGlasgow nekuda kwekudzivirira husaruraganda uye zvirambidzo zvavanazvo pakuuya kwazviri. kurukura zviri kuitika munharaunda dzavanogara. Saka tauya kuzosimudza manzwi avo uye kuti tirambe tichitaura - munoziva, navo, pane zviri kuitika pasirese.

AMY MURUME AKANAKA: Pamusoro paRamón Mejía, takabatanidzwa nemumwezve Marine Corps vet, uye ndiErik Edstrom, Afghan War vet, akaenderera mberi nekufunda mamiriro ekunze kuOxford uye kunyora bhuku. Un-American: Kuverengera kweMusoja kweHondo Yedu Yakareba Yakareba. Kana iwe uchigona kutaura nezvazvo - zvakanaka, ini ndichakubvunza mubvunzo mumwechete sezvandakabvunza Ramón. Apa wanga uri Marine Corps [sic] murwi. Wakaenda sei kubva kune iyo kune muratidziri wemamiriro ekunze, uye chii chatinofanira kunzwisisa pamusoro pemitengo yehondo kumba nekune dzimwe nyika? Wakarwa muAfghanistan.

ERIK EDSTROM: Ndatenda, Amy.

Hongu, ndinoreva, ndingadai ndisina kururamisa kana ndikasagadzirisa muchidimbu, zvinova ndiri mukuru wemauto, kana aimbove mukuru wemauto, uye handidi kudziya kubva kune vandinoshanda navo nekusanzwisiswa senge. Marine officer.

Asi rwendo rwekukurudzira mamiriro ekunze, ndinofunga, rwakatanga ndichiri kuAfghanistan ndikaziva kuti taigadzirisa dambudziko risiri iro nenzira isiriyo. Takanga tichishaya nyaya dzepamusoro dzinotsigira mitemo yekunze pasi rose, kunova kukanganisa kunokonzerwa nekushanduka kwemamiriro ekunze, izvo zvinoisa mungozi kune dzimwe nharaunda. Inogadzira njodzi ye geopolitical. Uye kuve wakatarisa kuAfghanistan, uchitamba Taliban whack-a-mole, uchiregeredza dambudziko remamiriro ekunze, zvaiita sekunge kushandiswa kunotyisa kwezvinhu zvakakosha.

Saka, pakarepo, munoziva, pandakanga ndapedza basa rangu rechiuto, ndaida kudzidza zvandinotenda kuti ndiyo nyaya inonyanya kukosha yakatarisana nechizvarwa chino. Uye nhasi, kana tichifunga nezvekuburitswa kwemauto muaccounting pasi rose, hakusi kusatendeseka chete kuvabvisa, hazvina basa uye zvine njodzi.

JOHANI GONZÁLEZ: Uye, Erik, ndinoda kukubvunza nezve hukama pakati pemafuta nemauto, mauto eUS asiwo mamwe mauto ehumambo pasi rese. Pane nhoroondo yave nehukama hwemauto ari kutsvaga kudzora zviwanikwa zveoiri munguva dzehondo, pamwe nekuve vashandisi vekutanga vezviwanikwa zveoiri izvi kuvaka masimba avo ehondo, handiti?

ERIK EDSTROM: Kwave kune. Ini ndinofunga kuti Amy akaita basa rakanaka kwazvo, uye ndizvo zvakaita mumwe mukurukuri, akatenderedza mauto ari mutengi mukuru wemafuta emafuta munyika, uye ndinofunga kuti izvo zvinotungamira mamwe ekuita sarudzo muchiuto. Kuburitswa kunoitwa nemauto eUS kunopfuura kubhururuka kwevanhu nendege zvabatanidzwa. Asi chimwe chezvinhu zvandaida chaizvo kutyaira kumba muhurukuro iyi chiri pamusoro pechimwe chinhu chisina kukurukurwa zvakanyanya mumitengo yehondo, inova mutengo wemagariro ekhabhoni kana izvo zvisina kunaka zvekunze zvine chekuita nebhutsu yedu yepasi rose semauto kutenderera pasirese. .

Uye Amy akanga akarurama kutaura kuti - achitaura nezveBrown University Watson Institute uye 1.2 bhiriyoni metric toni yeanofungidzirwa kubuda kubva kumauto panguva yehondo yepasi rose yehugandanga. Uye kana ukatarisa zvidzidzo zvehutano zveveruzhinji zvinotanga kuita calculus kutaura kuti matani mangani aunofanira kubudisa kuitira kukuvadza mumwe munhu kune imwe nzvimbo pasi rose, ingangoita matani mana nemazana mana. Saka, kana iwe ukaita arithmetic iri nyore, hondo yepasi rose yehugandanga yakakonzera kufa kwe4,400 zvinoenderana nemamiriro ekunze pasi rose, izvo zvinowedzera kuwedzera uye kuwedzera mutengo wakatokwira wehondo uye zvinokanganisa zvakanyanya zvinangwa izvo mauto ari kutarisira. kuwana, kunova kugadzikana. Uye mutsika, zviri kuwedzera kukanganisa chirevo chaicho uye mhiko yemauto, kuchengetedza maAmerica uye kuve simba repasi rose rezvakanaka, kana iwe ukatora maonero epasi rose kana kudyidzana kwepasi rose. Saka, kudzikisira dambudziko remamiriro ekunze uye turbocharging harisi basa remauto, uye isu tinofanirwa kuisa yakawedzera kudzvanywa kuti ivo vaburitse uye vaderedze yakakura kabhoni tsoka.

AMY MURUME AKANAKA: Kuisa mubvunzo waJuan wakajeka mukati - ndinorangarira jee rinosiririsa nekupinda kweUS muIraq, mukomana mudiki achiti kuna baba vake, "Oiri yedu iri kuitei pasi pejecha ravo?" Ini ndanga ndichinetseka kana iwe uchigona kutsanangura zvakanyanya, Erik Edstrom, pane izvo zvinoumba kuburitswa kwemauto. Uye Pentagon inonzwisisei? Ndinoreva, kwemakore, patakanga tichivhara hondo dzeBush, pasi paGeorge W. Bush, pakanga paine - taizogara tichitaura kuti havasi kutaura nezvezvidzidzo zvavo zvePentagon vachiti shanduko yemamiriro ekunze ndiyo nyaya yakaoma yezana remakore rechi21. . Asi chii chavanonzwisisa, zvese pamusoro penyaya uye basa rePentagon mukusvibisa nyika?

ERIK EDSTROM: Ndinoreva, ndinofunga kuti pamwe pamazinga endarira mukati memauto, pane kunzwisisa kuti shanduko yemamiriro ekunze injodzi uye iripo. Pane kupatsanurwa, zvakadaro, inova poindi yekunetsana, inova: Chii icho mauto achaita chaizvo pamusoro pazvo, uye kunyanya kuburitsa kwayo? Dai mauto aizoburitsa pachena kabhoni kacho uye kuita kudaro nguva nenguva, nhamba iyoyo yaizonyadzisa zvikuru uye nekugadzira dzvinyiriro huru yezvematongerwo enyika kumauto eUS kuti vaderedze zvinoburitswa izvi kuenda kumberi. Saka waigona kunzwisisa kusada kwavo.

Asi zvakadaro, isu tinofanirwa kuverenga zvachose kuburitswa kwemauto, nekuti hazvina basa kuti kwakabva kupi. Kana ichibva kundege yemauto kana ndege yemauto, kune mamiriro ekunze pachayo, hazvina basa. Uye isu tinofanirwa kuverenga matani ese ehutsi, zvisinei nekuti zvine zvematongerwo enyika kuita izvozvo. Uye pasina kuburitsa pachena, tiri kuita mapofu. Kuisa pamberi pekuedza kwe decarbonization, isu tinofanirwa kuziva kwainobva uye huwandu hwezviya zvinoburitswa nemauto, kuitira kuti vatungamiriri vedu nevezvematongerwo enyika vatore sarudzo dzine ruzivo pamusoro pekuti ndeapi masosi avangangoda kuvhara kutanga. Mabhesi emhiri kwemakungwa here? Ndiyo imwe chikuva chemotokari here? Sarudzo idzodzo hadzizozivikanwa, uye isu hatigone kuita sarudzo dzakangwara nehungwaru uye nehungwaru, kudzamara nhamba idzodzo dzabuda.

AMY MURUME AKANAKA: Tsvakurudzo itsva kubva kuBrown University's Costs of War project inoratidza kuti Dhipatimendi reHomeland Security rakanyanya kutarisana nehugandanga hwekunze uye kune dzimwe nyika, asi kurwiswa kwechisimba muU. , Semuyenzaniso. Neta Crawford anesu. Ari kunze kwe COP pari zvino, musangano weUN. Ndiye co-muvambi uye director weMutengo weHondo chirongwa paBrown. Ndiye purofesa uye sachigaro wedhipatimendi resainzi yezvematongerwo enyika paBoston University. Muzvinafundo Crawford, tinokugamuchirai zvakare Dememocracy Zvino! Sei uri pamusangano wemamiriro ekunze? Kazhinji tinongotaura newe nezve, zvakazara, mutengo wehondo.

NETA CRAWFORD: Ndatenda, Amy.

Ndiri pano nekuti kune mayunivhesiti akati wandei muUK akatanga chirongwa chekuyedza kusanganisa kuburitswa kwemauto zvizere mune imwe nyika zviziviso zvekubuda kwavo. Gore rega rega, nyika dzese dziri muAnnex I - ndiko kuti, mapato echibvumirano kubva kuKyoto - anofanirwa kuisa kumwe kuburitswa kwemauto mune yavo yenyika, asi haisi yakazara accounting. Uye ndizvo zvatinoda kuona.

JOHANI GONZÁLEZ: Uye, Neta Crawford, ungataura nezve izvo zvisiri kunyoreswa kana kutariswa maererano nemauto? Haisi chete mafuta anopa simba jets euto remhepo kana kuti anopa masimba ngarava, zvakare. Tichifunga mazana nemazana ezvigaro zvemauto izvo United States inazvo pasi rose, ndezvipi zvimwe zvezvinhu zvekabhoni tsoka yeuto reUS izvo vanhu vasiri kuterera?

NETA CRAWFORD: Zvakanaka, ndinofunga kuti pane zvinhu zvitatu zvekuchengeta mupfungwa pano. Chekutanga, pane zvinobuda kubva mukuisa. United States ine mazana manomwe nemakumi mashanu ekumisikidzwa kwemauto kunze kwenyika, mhiri kwemakungwa, uye ine angangoita mazana mana muUS Uye mazhinji eiyo kuiswa kunze kwenyika, hatizive kuti kuburitsa kwavo chii. Uye izvo zvinodaro nekuda kwe750 Kyoto Protocol danho rekubvisa izvo zvinobuda kana kuti zviverengere nyika iyo mabhesi arimo.

Saka, chimwe chinhu chatisingazive chikamu chikuru chekubuda kubva mukushanda. Saka, kuKyoto, danho rakatorwa kuti risasanganisire mashandiro ehondo akatemerwa neUnited Nations kana mamwe mabasa mazhinji. Saka izvo zvinoburitswa hazvina kubatanidzwa.

Pane zvakare chimwe chinhu chinozivikanwa se - chinonzi bunker fuels, ari iwo mafuta anoshandiswa mundege nendege - ndine hurombo, ndege uye ngarava mumvura dzepasirese. Mazhinji emabasa eUnited States Navy ari mumvura dzepasi rose, saka hatizive izvo zvinobuda. Izvo hazvibatanidzwe. Zvino, chikonzero cheizvozvo chaive, muna 1997, iyo DOD yakatumira memo kuWhite House ichiti kana mamisheni akaverengerwa, saka mauto eUS anogona kudzikisa mashandiro ayo. Uye ivo vakati mune yavo memo, kudzikiswa kwegumi muzana mukubuda kunotungamira mukushaikwa kwekugadzirira. Uye kusagadzirira ikoko kwaizoreva kuti United States yaisazova yakagadzirira kuita zvinhu zviviri. Imwe ndeyekuva mukuru muchiuto uye kurwa hondo chero nguva, chero kupi, uyezve, kechipiri, kusakwanisa kupindura kune izvo zvavaiona sedambudziko remamiriro ekunze rataizosangana naro. Uye nei vakaziva kudaro muna 10? Nokuti vakanga vachidzidza nezvedambudziko remamiriro ekunze kubvira kuma1997 nema1950, uye vaiziva nezvemigumisiro yemagasi e<em>greenhouse. Saka, ndizvo zvinosanganisirwa uye izvo zvisingabatanidzwe.

Uye kune imwe hombe yemhando yekuburitsa yatisingazive nezvayo, inova chero emission inobuda mumauto-industrial complex. Zvese zvemidziyo zvatinoshandisa zvinofanirwa kugadzirwa kumwe kunhu. Zvakawanda zvacho zvinobva kumakambani makuru emauto-maindasitiri muUnited States. Mamwe emakambani aya anobvuma avo, ayo anozivikanwa seakananga uye neimwe nzira isina kunanga emissions, asi isu hatizive iyo yese cheni. Saka, ndine fungidziro yekuti makambani epamusoro emauto-maindasitiri aburitsa huwandu hwakafanana hwemafuta emafuta, greenhouse gas emissions, semauto pachawo mugore ripi neripi. Saka, chaizvo, kana tikafunga nezvese kabhoni tsoka yeuto reUnited States, zvinofanirwa kutaurwa kuti hatisi kuzviverenga zvese. Uye nekuwedzera, isu hatisi kuverenga kuburitswa kweDhipatimendi reHomeland Security - ini handisati ndazviverenga - uye izvo zvinofanirwa kuverengerwa, zvakare.

AMY MURUME AKANAKA: Ndaida ku -

JOHANI GONZÁLEZ: Uye -

AMY MURUME AKANAKA: Enda mberi, Juan.

JOHANI GONZÁLEZ: Mungataurewo nezvemakomba ekutsva here? Mauto eUS anofanirwa kuve akasiyana munyika, kuti kwese kwaanoenda, anogara achipedza kuparadza zvinhu munzira yekubuda, ingave hondo kana basa. Mungataurewo nezvemakomba ekutsva here?

NETA CRAWFORD: Ini handizive zvakanyanya nezve makomba ekupisa, asi ini ndinoziva chimwe chinhu chenhoroondo yekuparadza kwezvakatipoteredza kunoitwa chero nemauto. Kubva panguva yekoloni kusvika kuHondo yeVanhu, apo Hondo yeHondo yevagari vemo yakagadzirwa kubva kumasango akazara akatemwa, kana migwagwa yakagadzirwa kubva pamiti, mauto eUnited States anga ari nzira yekuparadza kwezvakatipoteredza. MuHondo yeChimurenga uye muHondo Yenyika, uye zviri pachena muVietnam neKorea, United States yakatora nzvimbo, masango kana masango, kwavaifunga kuti vapanduki vaizovanda.

Saka, makomba ekutsva anongova chikamu chemhando yakakura yekusakoshesa mhepo uye nharaunda, iyo ine muchetura nharaunda. Uye kunyangwe makemikari anosiiwa pamabhesi, ari kubuda kubva mumidziyo yehuni, ane chepfu. Saka, pane - sekutaura kwaita vamwe vatauri, pane yakakura kukuvadzwa kwezvakatipoteredza tsoka yatinofanira kufunga nezvayo.

AMY MURUME AKANAKA: Pakupedzisira, muna 1997, boka revaneoconservatives, kusanganisira mutevedzeri wemutungamiri, ipapo-Halliburton. CEO Dick Cheney, akapokana achitsigira kusaburitsa kwese kwemauto kubva kuKyoto Protocol. Mutsamba iyi, Cheney, pamwe naAmbassador Jeane Kirkpatrick, aimbove Munyori weDziviriro, Caspar Weinberger, vakanyora, "nekuregera mauto eUS chete ayo ari emarudzi akawanda uye anoyamura mauto, zviito zveunilateral mauto - seGrenada, Panama neLibya - zvichave mune zvematongerwo enyika uye nezvematongerwo enyika. zvakanyanya kuoma." Erik Edstrom, mhinduro yako?

ERIK EDSTROM: Ndinofunga, zvechokwadi, zvichave zvakanyanya kuoma. Uye ini ndinofunga ibasa redu, sevagari vakabatikana, kumanikidza hurumende yedu kuti itore zvakanyanya kutyisidzira uku. Uye kana hurumende yedu ikatadza kusimuka, isu tinofanirwa kunge tichisarudza vatungamiriri vatsva vanozoita zvakanaka, izvo zvinoshandura mafashama uye zvichanyatso edza kuedza kunodiwa pano, nekuti, chokwadi, nyika inotsamira. it.

AMY MURUME AKANAKA: Zvakanaka, tichazvigumira ipapo asi, hongu, ramba uchitevera nyaya iyi. Erik Edstrom iAfghan War vet, akapedza kudzidza kubva kuWest Point. Akadzidza mamiriro ekunze kuOxford. Uye bhuku rake ndiro Un-American: Kuverengera kweMusoja kweHondo Yedu Yakareba Yakareba. Ramón Mejía ari mukati me COP, murongi wenyika anorwisa mauto ane Grassroots Global Justice Alliance. Iye muIraq War vet. Anga achipinda mukuratidzira mukati nekunze kwe COP muGlasgow. Uye zvakare nesu, Neta Crawford, Mari dzeHondo chirongwa paBrown University. Iye purofesa wezvematongerwo enyika sainzi paBoston University.

Patinodzoka, tinoenda kuStella Moris. Ndiye shamwari yaJulian Assange. Saka, chii chaari kuitei kuGlasgow, sezvaanotaura nezvekuti WikiLeaks akafumura sei hunyengeri hwenyika dzakapfuma mukugadzirisa dambudziko remamiriro ekunze? Uye nei asiri iye naJulian Assange - nei vasingakwanise kuroora? Vakuru vejeri reBelmarsh, Britain irikuti kwete? Garai nesu.