Trump Admin Inoenderera Nekutyisidzira & Kurwisa Kupokana neNorth Korea, Kuisa Groundwork yeNyukireya Hondo

AMY MURUME AKANAKA: Ichi chi Dememocracy Zvino!, democracynow.org, Nhoroondo Yehondo uye Rugare. Ndiri Amy Goodman, naNermeen Shaikh.

NEMEEN SHAIKH: Tinotendeukira zvino kuNorth Korea, uko kusawirirana kunoramba kuchikwira neUnited States. Munguva yekushanya kwevhiki-rese kuAsia, Munyori wezveDziviriro, James Mattis, akasimbisa danho rekutaurirana pakati penyika mbiri idzi, asi akanyevera kuti US haisi kuzobvuma nyuklia North Korea. Uyu ndiye Mattis aitaura Mugovera pamusangano nemumwe wake wekuSouth Korea, Rwiyo Nyowani-moo, muSeoul.

KUZVIDZIVIRIRA RWEMAHARA JAMES MATTIS: Panga pasina kukanganisa: Chero kurwiswa kuUnited States kana kubatana kwedu kuchakundwa. Chero kushandiswa kwezvombo zvenyukireya neNorth kuchasangana nemhinduro huru yemauto, inoshanda uye yakakurira. … Handikwanise kufungidzira mamiriro ezvinhu apo United States yaizogamuchira North Korea sesimba renyukireya.

NEMEEN SHAIKH: Mattis asvika kuSouth Korea neChishanu rwendo rwemazuva maviri kuenda kunyika, pamberi pekushanya gare gare svondo rino kunharaunda naDonald Trump. VaTrump vanonzi vanoshanyira China, Vietnam, Japan, Philippines neSouth Korea pamusoro pekushanya kwemazuva XXUMX. Vatungamiri veWhite House vakapatsanurwa pamusoro pekuti VaTrump vashanyire nzvimbo inochengetedzwa pakati peNorth neSouth panguva yerwendo, vainetsekana kuti kushanya kungawedzera kuwedzera kutyisidzira kwehondo yenyukireya.

AMY MURUME AKANAKA: Kunetsana pakati peNorth Korea neUnited States kwave kuvaka mushure mekuteedzana kwenyonganiso pamwe nekupotsa bvunzo dzakaitwa naPyongyang uye nekutsinhana kukuru kwemashoko pakati paTrump nemutungamiri weNorth Korea Kim Kimong. VaTrump vakatyisidzira kuparadza vese veNorth Korea, nyika ine vanhu vane mamirioni 25. VaTrump vakabata mwedzi wapera, "Tichangonzwa Gurukota rezvekunze kweNorth Korea richitaura kuUN Kana akafunga pfungwa dzeRumbi Rocket Man, havachave nenguva refu!" pane "kuzviuraya chinangwa." VaDemocrat vari kusundidzira mutemo waizotadzisa Mutungamiri Trump kutanga gakava rekuyedza kurwisa North Korea.

Ehe, nezvakawanda, takabatanidzwa naChristine Ahn, muvambi nemutungamiriri wesangano reWomen Cross DMZ, kufamba kwepasi rose kwevakadzi vari kusimuka kuti vapedze Hondo yeKorea. Ari kutaura nesu kubva kuHawaii.

Christine, anotenda nekubatana nesu zvakare Dememocracy Zvino! Unogona kutaura nezve mhedziso yekushanya uku naMatis uye nekukwira, kamwe zvakare, kweUS-North Korea kushushikana uye chii chatingatarisira sezvo Mutungamiri Trump anoenda kudunhu mumazuva mashoma?

Christine AHN: Mangwanani akanaka, Amy.

Zvinoratidzika kuti chirevo chaMatis, kunyanya panguva DMZ, kuti US isingade kuenda kuhondo neNorth Korea, yaive yerudzi rwekutaura zvisati zvaitika - pamberi pekushanya kwaTrump kuAsia, kunyanya kuSouth Korea, uko maSouth Korea vazhinji vanotya Donald Trump kupfuura zvavanoita Kim Jong-un. Uye, kutaura idi, kuratidzira kukuru kuri kurongwa. Pakambove nekurangarira kwekushandurwa kwemwenje kupera kwesvondo rapfuura, uye pamusoro pemasangano evashandi ve220 akazivisa kuti vachabata kuratidzira kukuru kubva munaNovember 4th kuburikidza ne7th vese munyika, vachizivisa kuti hakuna hondo, hapasati kwechiuto, kumisa kubhuroka, zviri pachena kutyisidzira ruzhinji rwevanhu muSouth Korea uye zvakare vazhinji vachiri nemhuri muNorth Korea. Nekudaro, ini ndinofunga kuti, iwe unoziva, yaive mhando yenhanho inokonzeresa kutora vanhu veSouth Korea, nekuti, pachena, VaTrump vachapinda voita zvimwe zvinotsigira. Uye ndinofunga icho chaive chikamu chechikamu chekuita izvo.

Zvatisingawanzonzwa munhau, zvakadaro, ndezvekuti US yakatumira vatakuri vemitambo yenyukireya inotakurwa kuKorea Peninsula. Vanga vachiratidzira kwakasimba kwazvo kwakabatanidza hondo yeSouth Korea, kubatanidza Navy SEALs iyo yakabvisa Osama bin Laden. Ivo vanosanganisira kudhizaina. Uye saka, munoziva, chinhu chimwe chete kutaura, "Hatidi kurwa neNorth Korea," uye chimwe kunyatsoisa zvikonzero zveizvozvo. Uye haisiriyo yekutsamwisa kwemauto zviitiko zviri kuitika, asi kutyisidzira. Ndinoreva, isu tinoramba tichinzwa kutyisidzira kubva kuTrump Kabinet yose. Mike Pompeo deginamajai director, akataura ku Defence Forum Foundation svondo rapfuura kuti kuuraya zvirongwa zvaiitwa naKim Jong-un. HR McMaster yati, iwe unoziva, kugamuchira uye kuvharisa haisi sarudzo. Uye Tillerson akataura izvozvo, iwe unoziva, tichataura kusvikira bhomba rekutanga radonha. Saka, iwe unoziva, izvi hazvisi kunyatsokoka North Korea kuita hurukuro, iri nekukurumidza izvo zvinodiwa.

NEMEEN SHAIKH: Zvakanaka, iwe unogona kutaura zvishoma, Christine, nezve mapindurirwo akaitwa North Korea? Uchangobva kutaura kuti South Korea neUS zvakabata zvemauto nguva pfupi yadarika. Ndeipi mhinduro iyo North Korea yakaitwa kune ayo maekisesaizi? Uye pane chikonzero chekutenda kuti North Korea ichiri yakavhurika kutaurirana? Nekuti handiwo pfungwa yekuti tinosvika pano munhau.

Christine AHN: Zvamazvirokwazvo. Zvakanaka, ini ndinofunga zvakakosha kuti tizive kuti hatina kuona chero zviyedzo zvekupotsa kana nyukiliya bvunzo mumazuva angangoita 38 kubva kudivi reNorth Korea. Handifunge kuti izvi zvinoreva kuti havasi kuzoenderera mberi. Ivo vakanyatsojekesa kuti vari munzira yekuzadzisa nyukiliya-munoziva, a ICBM inogona kubatanidza hondo yenyukireya, inogona kurova United States. Uye, iwe unoziva, kufungidzira kwakawanda ndekwekuti ivo vane mwedzi yakawanda kubva mukuita izvo.

Asi, iwe unoziva, handizive kana iwe uchayeuka, mushure maTrump, iwe unoziva, "kuparadza chose North Korea" kutaura kuUN, gurukota rekunze reNorth Korea, Ri Yong-ho, akataura izvozvo, iwe unoziva - uye neni fungidzira kuti chii chaiitika chaive, mukupera kwevhiki iyoyo, iyo US yakabhururuka F-15 murwi wetsiva kuyambuka muganho wekumusoro pamuganho wemakungwa. Izvo zvinopesana zvakakwana, munoziva, chibvumirano chekuti mutsara wekuchamhembe ndiyo ichave mutsara uyo waisazoyamburwa kudzivirira chero rudzi rwemasimba. Uye saka, mukupindura izvozvo, North Korea yakati, "Ticharova uye titore ndege dzeUS, kunyangwe dzisiri mukati medu kana mukati medu, unoziva, nharaunda." Uye saka, iwe unoziva, North Korea akajekesa kuti ivo vachapokana.

Uye saka, nekupihwa kuti hapana chiteshi, chaizvo, zviripo zvehurumende-pane mamwe madiki madiki akazvimirira ari kuitwa, munoziva, 1.5 inotaura pakati pevaimbove vakuru veUS nehurumende yeNorth Korea. Iko chaiko hakuna hurukuro dzinoenderera. Uye ndinofunga kuti ndiyo ngozi iyo yatiri mairi, ndeyekuti, iwe unoziva, apo inotevera yeku North Korea bvunzo inoitwa, iyo US ichave yakagadzirira kuibaya? Uye ichocho chingave chiri kutanga kwekukwira kune ngozi zvakanyanya?

Muchokwadi, iwe unoziva, iyo DRM Tsvaga Service yakangoburitsa mushumo neChishanu. Vakataura kuti mukati memazuva mashoma ekutanga, 330,000 vanhu vaizourawa pakarepo. Uye iko kungoshandisa zvombo zvakajairika. Uye kana iwe uchisanganisira zvombo zvenyukireya, iwe unoziva, vanofungidzira vanhu vane 25 mamirioni. Ndinoreva, iwe unofungidzira sei huwandu hwevanhu, kunyanya mudunhu iro Japan, South Korea, China, Russia, uye iwe uine North Korea, pachena, iyo inosvika 60 zvombo zvenyukireya?

AMY MURUME AKANAKA: Christine—

Christine AHN: Saka — hongu?

AMY MURUME AKANAKA: Christine, isu tinongova ne20 masekondi, asi zvakadii nezve nharo idzi dzekuti Mutungamiri VaTrump vanofanirwa kushanyira iyo Demilitarised Zone? Zvinorehwa neizvi?

Christine AHN: Zvakanaka, ndinofunga kuti haasi kuronga kushanyira ikoko. Ini ndinofunga nekuti, munoziva, manejimendi ake ari kunetsekana kuti ari kuzotaurawo zvimwe zvirevo zvinogona kunyandura maNorth Koreans. Uye saka, iko zvino ndinofunga chii chinonyanya kukosha ndechekuti kune huswa kusimudzira nyika yese muUnited States, kuratidzira kukuru kuri kurongwa kwaNovember 11th, kweArmistice Day, neVeterans for Peace. Uye—

AMY MURUME AKANAKA: Isu tinofanirwa kuisiya ipapo, Christine Ahn, asi isu tichaita Part 2 uye tumira iyo online pa democracynow.org.