Roger Mvura Yakabvunzwa Zvakadzama NezveUkraine, Russia, Israel, US

By Berliner Zeitung, February 4, 2023

Yekutanga pane chinongedzo chiri pamusoro ndechiGerman. Shanduro iyi yakapihwa World BEYOND War naRoger Waters.

Roger Waters anogona kuzviti ndiye mastermind kumashure kwePink Floyd. Akauya nepfungwa uye akanyora ese mazwi ehunyanzvi "Rima Side reMwedzi". Akanyora maalbhamu "Mhuka", "The Wall" uye "The Final Cut" ari oga. Parwendo rwake rwazvino “Ichi Haisi Chibooreso”, chinouya kuGermany muna Chivabvu, saka anoda kutaura nhaka iyoyo zvakanyanya uye kuridza nziyo dzePink Floyd's classic phase. Dambudziko: Nekuda kwekukakavadzana kwaakaita nezvehondo muUkraine uye nezvematongerwo enyika eIsrael, imwe yemakonzati ake muPoland yakatomiswa, uye muGermany masangano echiJudha neechiKristu arikuda zvakafanana. Nguva yekutaura nemuimbi ane makore makumi manomwe nemapfumbamwe okuberekwa: Anorevei nezvese izvi? Haangonzwisiswi here - makonzati ake anofanira kukanzurwa here? Zvine musoro here kumubvisa pakukurukurirana? Kana kuti nzanga ine dambudziko rekurambidza vanopikisa seMvura kubva muhurukuro?

Muimbi anogashira vashanyi vake kwaanogara kumaodzanyemba kweEngland, ane hushamwari, akavhurika, asina kuzvikudza, asi akatsunga - ndozvaacharamba ari muhurukuro yose. Kutanga, zvisinei, anoda kuratidzira chimwe chinhu chakakosha: Mu studio yeimba yake, anotamba nziyo nhatu kubva patsva rekodhi rekodhi re "Rima Side reMwedzi", iyo inopemberera zuva rekuzvarwa kwayo makumi mashanu munaKurume. “Pfungwa itsva inoitirwa kufungisisa zvinorehwa nebasa racho, kuburitsa mwoyo nemweya zvealbhamu,” anodaro, “mumimhanzi uye mumudzimu. Ndini ndega ndiri kuimba nziyo dzangu pamarekodhi matsva aya, uye hakuna magitare ega ega erock and roll.”

Mazwi akataurwa, akaiswa pamusoro pezviridzwa se "On The Run" kana "The Great Gig in the Denga" uye pamusoro "Taura Kwandiri", "Kukuvadzwa Kwehuropi" "Chero Ruvara Rwaunoda uye Mari" rinoitirwa kujekesa "mantra" yake. ”, meseji yaanoona sepakati pebasa rake rose: “Iri pamusoro peizwi rekufunga. Uye inoti: chakakosha harisi simba remadzimambo edu nevatungamiriri kana kunonzi kubatana kwavo naMwari. Chinonyanya kukosha kubatana pakati pedu sevanhu, nzanga yose yevanhu. Isu, vanhu, takapararira pasi rose - asi tese tine hukama nekuti tese tinobva kuAfrica. Tese tiri hama nehanzvadzi, kana vazukuru vari kure, asi mabatiro atinoita mumwe nemumwe ari kuparadza musha wedu, pasi pano - nekukurumidza kupfuura zvatingafungidzira. " Semuyenzaniso, izvozvi, kamwe kamwe pano tave muna 2023 takabatanidzwa muhondo yegore rekare neRussia muUkraine. Sei? Ok, zvishoma nhoroondo, muna 2004 Mutungamiri weRussia Vladimir Putin akatambanudza ruoko rwake kuMadokero mukuyedza kuvaka chivakwa cherunyararo muEurope. Zvose zvirimo muzvinyorwa. Akatsanangura kuti zvirongwa zvekumavirira kukoka post Maidan coup Ukraine muNATO yakaunza kutyisidzira kusingagamuchirwi zvachose kune The Russian Federation uye yaizoyambuka mutsara mutsvuku wekupedzisira unogona kupera muhondo, saka isu tese taigona kutenderera tafura uye kutaurirana ramangwana rine rugare. . Kufambira mberi kwake kwakabviswa neUS nevabatsiri vayo veNATO. Kubva ipapo zvichienda mberi akaramba achichengeta chinzvimbo chake uye NATO yakaramba ichichengeta yavo: "F ... iwe". Uye tiri pano.

VaMvura, munotaura nezveizwi rekufunga, rekubatana kwakadzama kwevanhu vese. Asi kana zvasvika kuhondo muUkraine, iwe unotaura zvakawanda nezvekukanganisa kweUS neWest, kwete nezvehondo yeRussia uye hutsinye hweRussia. Wadii kupikisa zviito zvakaitwa neRussia? Ndinoziva kuti wakatsigira Pussy Riot nemamwe masangano anorwira kodzero dzevanhu muRussia. Sei usingarwise Putin?

Chokutanga pane zvose, kana iwe ukaverenga tsamba yangu kuna Putin uye zvinyorwa zvangu kumativi ekutanga kwehondo munaFebruary ....

...wakamuti "gororo"...

…chaizvo, ndakadaro. Asi ndinogona kunge ndakachinja pfungwa dzangu zvishoma mugore rapfuura. Kune podcast kubva kuCyprus inonzi "The Duran". Iwo mauto anotaura chiRussia uye anogona kuverenga hurukuro dzaPutin mune yekutanga. Zvavanotaura pamusoro pazvo zvine musoro kwandiri. Chikonzero chakakosha chekupa zvombo kuUkraine zvirokwazvo purofiti kuindasitiri yezvombo. Uye ndinoshamisika: Putin igororo hombe kupfuura Joe Biden uye vese vari kutungamira zvematongerwo enyika eAmerica kubvira Hondo Yenyika II? Handina chokwadi nazvo. Putin haana kupinda muVietnam kana Iraq? Akazviita here?

Chikonzero chinonyanya kukosha chekuendeswa kwezvombo ndeichi chinotevera: Ndechekutsigira Ukraine, kukunda hondo uye kumisa chisimba cheRussia. Unenge uri kuzviona zvakasiyana.

Ehe. Pamwe ini handifanire kunge ndiri, asi ini ndave kuvhurika zvakanyanya kuti nditeerere zvinotaurwa naPutin. Maererano nemanzwi akazvimirira ndinoteerera iye anotonga zvakanyatsonaka, achiita zvisarudzo pamusana pekubvumirana muhurumende yeRussian Federation. Kune zvakare vakatsoropodza vakangwara muRussia, vanga vachipokana neAmerican imperialism kubva kuma1950s. Uye mutsara wepakati wagara uripo: Ukraine mutsetse mutsvuku. Inofanira kuramba isina kwayakarerekera buffer state. Kana zvikasaramba zvakadaro, hatizive kuti zvinozosvitsa kupi. Hatisati taziva, asi zvinogona kupera muHondo Yenyika Yechitatu.

MunaFebruary gore rakapera, ndiPutin akasarudza kurwisa.

Akatanga chaachiri kudana kuti "special chiuto operation". Akazvitanga pamusana pezvikonzero zvekuti kana ndakavanzwisisa zvakanaka ndezvi: 1. Tinoda kumisa kuurayiwa kwevanhu vanotaura chiRussian veDonbas. 2. Tinoda kurwisa Nazism muUkraine. Pane mumwe musikana achiri kuyaruka wokuUkraine, Alina, wandakanyorerana naye tsamba refu kuti: “Ndiri kukunzwa. Ndinonzwisisa kurwadziwa kwako." Akandipindura, akanditenda, asi akasimbisa, ndine chokwadi chekuti wakarasika nezvechinhu chimwe chete, "Ndine chokwadi che200% kuti hakuna maNazi muUkraine." Ndakapindura zvakare, “Ndine urombo Alina, asi wakarasika nezvazvo. Ungagara sei muUkraine uye usingazive?"

Hapana humbowo hwekuti kwave nekupondwa kwerudzi muUkraine. Panguva imwecheteyo, Putin akaramba achisimbisa kuti anoda kudzosa Ukraine muumambo hwake. Putin akaudza aimbova Chancellor weGermany Angela Merkel kuti zuva rakamushungurudza zvikuru muupenyu hwake raiva muna 1989, pakaparara Soviet Union.

Izwi rekuti "Ukraine" ndiro izwi rechiRussian rinoreva "Borderland" here? Yakanga iri chikamu cheRussia neSoviet Union kwenguva yakareba. Inhoroondo yakaoma. Munguva yeHondo Yenyika Yechipiri, ndinotenda kuti pakanga paine chikamu chikuru chevagari vekumadokero kweUkraine vakasarudza kushandira pamwe nemaNazi. Vakauraya vaJudha, vaRoman, macommunist, uye chero munhu upi zvake weThird Reich aida kufa. Nanhasi kune kunetsana pakati peWestern Ukraine (Pane kana pasina maNazi Alina) uye Eastern The Donbas) neSouthern (Crimea) Ukraine uye kune vazhinji vanotaura chiRussian vanotaura vekuUkraine nekuti yaive chikamu cheRussia kwemazana emakore. Ungagadzirisa sei dambudziko rakadaro? Izvo hazvigone kuitwa nehurumende yeKiev kana maRussia anokunda. Putin agara achisimbisa kuti haafarire kutora kumadokero kweUkraine - kana kurwisa Poland kana chero imwe nyika mhiri kwemuganhu. Zvaari kutaura ndezvekuti: anoda kuchengetedza vanhu vanotaura chiRussian munzvimbo idzo dzeUkraine uko vanhu vanotaura chiRussia vanonzwa vachityisidzirwa kubva kudivi rekurudyi rakafurirwa post Maidan Coup Governments muKiev. Kupidigura hurumende kunobvumwa nevakawanda sekunge kwakarongwa neUS.

Takataura nevakawanda vekuUkraine vanogona kuratidza zvakasiyana. IUS inogona kunge yakabatsira kutsigira kuratidzira kwa2014. Asi zvakazara, zvinyorwa zvine mukurumbira uye nhoroondo dzevakaona dzinoratidza kuti kuratidzira kwakasimuka kubva mukati - kuburikidza nekuda kwevanhu veUkraine.

Ndinoshamisika kuti ndevapi vekuUkraine vawataura navo? Ndinogona kufungidzira kuti vamwe vanoti. Kune rimwe divi remari ruzhinji rwakakura rwevaUkraine muCrimea neDonbass vakavhota mureferenda kuti vabatane zvakare neRussian Federation.

MunaFebruary, wakashamisika kuti Putin akarwisa Ukraine. Ungava sei nechokwadi chokuti haazopfuuri? Kuvimba kwako muRussia hakuratidziki kunge kwakaparara, pasinei nehondo yeRussia ine ropa yechisimba.

Ndingave sei nechokwadi chekuti US haizoise pangozi yekutanga hondo yenyukireya neChina? Vari kutodenha maChinese nekupindira muTaiwan. Vangada kutanga kuparadza Russia. Chero ani ane IQ pamusoro pekamuri tembiricha anonzwisisa izvozvo, kana vachiverenga nhau, uye maAmerican anobvuma.

Unotsamwisa vanhu vazhinji nekuti zvinogara zvichiita sekunge uri kudzivirira Putin.

Kuenzaniswa neBiden, ndiri. Kudenha kweUS/NATO pamberi paKukadzi 2022 kwaive kwakanyanyisa uye kukuvadza zvakanyanya kune zvido zvevanhu vese veEurope.

Iwe hausi kuzoramba Russia?

Ndinofunga kuti hazvibatsiri. Iwe unogara kuEurope: Marii iyo US inobhadharisa kutakura gasi? Yakapetwa kashanu kupfuura iyo vagari vayo vamene vanobhadhara. MuEngland, vanhu vava kuti "idya kana kupisa" - nekuti zvikamu zvevarombo zvehuwandu hazvigone kudziyisa dzimba dzavo. Hurumende dzokuMadokero dzinofanira kuziva kuti tose tiri hama nehanzvadzi. MuHondo Yenyika Yechipiri vakaona zvinoitika pavanoedza kurwisa Russia. Ivo vachabatana uye kurwa kusvika kune yekupedzisira ruble uye yekupedzisira sikweya mita yevhu kudzivirira nyika yavo. Sezvinongoita munhu wese. Ndinofunga kana US inogona kugonesa vagari vayo uye iwe nevamwe vanhu vazhinji, kuti Russia ndiye muvengi chaiye, uye kuti Putin ndiye Hitler mutsva vachave nenguva iri nyore kuba kubva kuvarombo kupa vapfumi uye kutanga uye kukurudzira dzimwe hondo, senge iyi proxy war muUkraine. Pamwe izvozvo zvinoita sechimiro chezvematongerwo enyika chakanyanyisa kwauri, asi pamwe nhoroondo yandakaverenga uye nhau dzandinochengeta dzakangosiyana newe. Iwe haugone kutenda zvese zvaunoona paTV kana kuverenga mumapepa. Zvese zvandiri kuedza kuita nemarekodhi angu matsva, kutaura kwangu uye maitiro ndeekuti hama nehanzvadzi dzedu dzine simba dzinomisa hondo - uye kuti vanhu vanzwisise kuti hama nehanzvadzi dzedu muRussia hadzigari pasi pehudzvinyiriri hunodzvinyirira, kupfuura iwe. kuita kuGermany kana ndinoita kuUS. Ndinoreva kuti taizosarudza here kuramba tichiuraya vechidiki vekuUkraine neRussia kana isu tiine simba rekuimisa?

Tinogona kuita bvunzurudzo iyi, muRussia zvaisazova nyore… Asi kudzokera kuUkraine: Chii chingava chikumbiro chako chezvematongerwo enyika kuti pave nemutemo une musoro weUkraine wekuMadokero?

Tinofanira kuunganidza vatungamiri vedu vose patafura uye kuvamanikidza kuti vati: "Hapasisina hondo!". Ndiko kungava poindi iyo nhaurirano inogona kutanga.

Ungafungidzira here kugara muRussia?

Hongu, chokwadi, sei kwete? Zvingave zvakafanana nevavakidzani vangu muno kumaodzanyemba kweEngland. Tinogona kuenda kubhawa totaura pachena - chero vasingaendi kuhondo nekuuraya maAmerican kana maUkraine. Zvese zvakanaka? Chero tichigona kutengeserana, kutengeserana magasi, tive nechokwadi chekuti tinodziya muchando, takakwana. Vanhu vokuRussia havana kusiyana newe neni: kune vanhu vakanaka uye kune maidi - kufanana kwose kwose.

Saka sei usingatambe mashoo muRussia?

Kwete nokuda kwezvikonzero zvepfungwa. Izvozvi hazvigoneki panguva ino. Ini handisi kuramba Russia, izvo zvingave zvisina musoro. Ini ndinotamba 38 mashoo muUSA. Dai ndaizoramba chero nyika nekuda kwezvematongerwo enyika, ingave iyo US. Ndivo vanonyanya kurwisa.

Kana munhu akatarisa kukakavara asina kwaakarerekera, munhu anogona kuona Putin seanorwisa. Unofunga kuti tose takavhiringwa pfungwa here?

Hongu, ndinozviita, zvirokwazvo. Wageza musoro, wazvitaura.

Nekuti isu tinodya western media?

Ndizvozvo. Izvo zviri kuudzwa munhu wese kuMadokero irondedzero "yekupinda kwechisimba". Huh? Chero ani ane hafu yeuropi anogona kuona kuti mhirizhonga muUkraine yakatsamwiswa kupfuura zvese. Ndiko kunenge kwanyanya kushatirwa.

Pakanzurwa makonzati muPoland nekuda kwekutaura kwako nezvehondo muUkraine, wakangonzwa kusanzwisiswa here?

Ehe. Iri idanho guru rekudzokera shure. Icho chiratidzo cheRussophobia. Vanhu muPoland sezviri pachena vanongotapurwawo nenhema dzokuMadokero. Ndingada kuti kwavari: Muri hama nehanzvadzi, itai kuti vatungamiri venyu vamise hondo kuti timbomira kwekanguva tofunga kuti: “Hondo iyi ndeyei?”. Ndezvekuita kuti vapfumi vari munyika dzokuMadokero vapfume zvikuru uye varombo kwose kwose kuva varombo. Zvakapesana naRobin Hood. Jeff Bezos ane hupfumi hunosvika mazana maviri emadhora emadhora, ukuwo zviuru zvevanhu muWashington DC chete zvinogara mumabhokisi emakadhi emumugwagwa.

VaUkraine vari kusimuka kuti vadzivirire nyika yavo. Vanhu vazhinji muGermany vanozviona saizvozvo, ndosaka kutaura kwako kuchikonzera kuvhunduka, kunyange kutsamwa. Maonero ako pamusoro peIsrael anosangana nekushoropodzwa kwakafanana pano. Ndosaka zvakare pave nenhaurirano yekuti makonzati ako muGermany anofanira kukanzurwa here. Iwe unoita sei nazvo?

Oo, iwe unoziva, ndevaIsrael Lobby vanoita saMalca Goldstein-Wolf vanoda izvozvo. Idiotic iyoyo. Vakatoedza kudzima konzati yangu muCologne muna 2017 uye vakatowana nhepfenyuro dzemunharaunda kuti dzipinde.

Hazvisi nyore here kutaura vanhu ava semapenzi?

Chokwadi, havasi vose vari mapenzi. Asi pamwe vanoverenga Bhaibheri uye pamwe vanotenda kuti chero munhu anotaura achipokana neIsrael fascism muNyika Tsvene is anti-Semite. Icho hachisi chinzvimbo chakangwara chekutora, nekuti kuita kudaro unofanirwa kuramba kuti vanhu vaigara muPalestine maIsrael vasati vagara ikoko. Iwe unofanirwa kutevera ngano inoti, "Nyika isina vanhu vevanhu vasina nyika." Izvo zvisina maturo. Nhoroondo iri pano yakajeka. Nanhasi, vagari vemo, vechiJudha vashoma. VaIsraeri vechiJuda vese vakatama kubva kuEastern Europe kana kuUnited States.

Iwe wakambofananidza nyika yeIsrael neNazi Germany. Uchiri kumira nemuenzaniso uyu here?

Ehe saizvozvo. VaIsraeri vari kuita kuuraya rudzi. Sezvakaita Great Britain panguva yedu yekoloni, nenzira. VaBritish vakaparadza rudzi rwevanhu vekuNorth America, semuenzaniso. Ndizvo zvakaitawo maDutch, maSpanish, maPutukezi kunyange maGermany mumakoloni avo. Zvose zvaisanganisira kusaruramisira munguva yaitonga vadzori. Uye isu, maBritish takapondawo nekupamba muIndia, Southeast Asia, China…. Isu taizvitenda isu pachedu kuva pamusoro pemasikirwo evanhu veko, sezvinoita maIsrael muPalestine. Zvakanaka, isu takanga tisiri uye havasi vaJudha veIsrael.

Semurume wechiRungu, une maonero akasiyana kwazvo panhoroondo yeNyika yeIsrael kupfuura isu maGerman. MuGermany, kutsoropodza Israeri kunoitwa nokungwarira nokuda kwezvikonzero zvakanaka; Germany ine chikwereti chekare icho nyika inofanira kurarama nayo.

Ndinonzwisisa izvozvo chaizvo uye ndanga ndichiedza kubata nazvo kwemakore makumi maviri. Asi kwandiri, chikwereti chako, sekutaura kwawakaita, pfungwa yako yenyika yekuva nemhosva kune zvakaitwa nemaNazi pakati pa20 na1933, hazvifanirwe kuda kuti nzanga yako yese ifambe ichibwaira pamusoro peIsraeri. Hazvingave zviri nani here kana zvakakukurudzira kuti urase kupenya kwese uye kutsigira kodzero dzevanhu dzakaenzana dzehama dzako nehanzvadzi pasi rose pasinei nechitendero chedzinza kana nyika?

Uri kupokana kodzero yeIsrael yekuvepo here?

Mukuona kwangu, Israeri ine kodzero yekuvepo chero bedzi iri demokrasi yechokwadi, chero bedzi pasina boka, rechitendero kana dzinza, rinofarira kodzero dzevanhu kupfuura chero ipi zvayo. Asi zvinosuwisa kuti ndizvo chaizvo zviri kuitika muIsrael nePalestine. Hurumende inoti vanhu vechiJudha chete ndivo vanofanira kuwana dzimwe kodzero. Saka haigoni kutsanangurwa sedemocracy. Ivo vakavhurika kwazvo pamusoro pazvo, zvakaiswa mumutemo weIsrael. Ikozvino kune vanhu vazhinji muGermany, uye zvechokwadi vanhu vazhinji vechiJudha muIsrael, avo vakazaruka kune imwe rondedzero yeIsraeri. Makore makumi maviri apfuura, hatingadai takave nehurukuro pamusoro peNyika yeIsrael umo mazwi ekuuraya uye rusaruraganda akataurwa. Zvino ndingati haugone kuita hurukuro iyoyo usingashandisi mazwi iwayo, nekuti anotsanangura nemazvo chokwadi chiri munharaunda inogarwa. Ini ndinoona izvo zvakanyanya uye zvakajeka kubva pandakanga ndiri chikamu cheBDS kufamba (Boycott, Divestment uye Zvirango zvinopesana neIsrael, ed.).

Unofunga kuti vangabvumirana newe here muno muEngland?

Handikwanise kutaura chokwadi nekuti ndave nemakore makumi maviri ndisingachagari pano. Ndaifanira kudzika kubhawa ndokutaura nevanhu. Asi ndinofungidzira kuti vakawanda vaizobvumirana neni zuva nezuva. Ndine shamwari zhinji dzechiJudha - nenzira - vanobvumirana neni nomwoyo wose, ndicho chikonzero chimwe chikonzero nei zvichipenga kuedza kundizvidza semuvengi wechiJudha. Ndine shamwari yangu yepedyo muNew York, inova muJudha, uyo akati kwandiri rimwe zuva, “Makore mashoma apfuura, ndaifunga kuti unopenga, ndaifunga kuti wairasa zvachose. Zvino ndaona kuti wanga wakarurama pachinzvimbo chako pamatongerwo enyika yeIsrael - uye isu, nharaunda yemaJuda muUS, takakanganisa. " Shamwari yangu muNY yainyatso shushikana ichitaura izvi, murume akanaka.

Nzvimbo dzeBDS dzakatenderwa neGerman Bundestag. Kubudirira kwebato reBDS kunogona kupedzisira kwareva kupera kune nyika yeIsrael. Unozviona zvakasiyana here?

Hungu, Israeri aigona kuchinja mitemo yake. Vaigona kuti: Tachinja pfungwa dzedu, vanhu vanobvumirwa kuva nekodzero kunyange vasiri vaJudha. Zvingave izvo, saka isu hatichada BDS zvakare.

Warasikirwa neshamwari nekuti uri kushandira BDS?

Zvinonakidza kuti unobvunza izvozvo. Handizivi chaizvo, asi ndinopokana nazvo. Ushamwari chinhu chine simba. Ndingangoti ndine shamwari chaidzo dzinenge gumi muhupenyu hwangu. Handikwanise kurasikirwa neshamwari nekuda kwemaonero angu ezvematongerwo enyika, nekuti shamwari dzinodanana – uye hushamwari hunobereka kutaura, nekutaura kunobereka kunzwisisa. Kana shamwari yaizoti, "Roger, ndakuona iwe wakabhururuka nguruve inoputika neNyeredzi yaDavid pairi panguva yeWall concerts yako!", Ndinovatsanangurira mamiriro acho ezvinhu uye kuti pakanga pasina chinhu chinopesana neSemitic chaida kana kuratidzwa.

Saka mashoko akapoteredza chii?

Yakanga iri panguva yerwiyo "Goodbye Blue Sky" mu "The Wall" show. Uye kuti utsanangure mamiriro ezvinhu, unoona mabhomba eB-52, pachiratidziri chedenderedzwa kuseri kwebhendi, asi havadonhedze mabhomba, vanodonhedza zviratidzo: Madhora zviratidzo, Crucifixes, Hammer uye Sickles, Nyeredzi neCrescents, chiratidzo cheMcDonalds - uye Nyeredzi yaDhavhidhi. Uku kutsvinya kwemitambo, kutaura kwekutenda kwangu kuti kuburitsa pfungwa idzi, kana zvigadzirwa pavanhu vari pasi, chiito chehasha, chinopesana nehunhu, zvinopesana nekugadzira rudo nerunyararo pakati pedu hama nehanzvadzi. Ndiri kuti mumaoko asiri iwo mafungiro ese anomiririrwa nezviratidzo izvi anogona kuve akaipa.

Ndedzipi pfungwa dzako? Iwe uri anarchist - uchipesana nechero rudzi rwesimba iro vanhu vanoshandisa pamusoro peumwe neumwe?

Ndinozviti ndiri munhu wevanhu, mugari wenyika. Uye kuvimbika kwangu neruremekedzo ndezvevanhu vose, pasinei nekwavanobva, nyika yavo kana chitendero chavo.

Mucharamba muchiimba pakati paIsiraeri nanhasi kana vakakutenderai here?

Kwete, kwete. Ndiko kunenge kuri kuyambuka mutsara wepikicha. Ndave nemakore ndichinyorera tsamba kune vandinoshanda navo muindasitiri yemimhanzi kuedza kuvanyengerera kuti vasaite muIsrael. Dzimwe nguva vanopokana, vanoti, "Asi iyi inzira yekuita runyararo, tinofanira kuenda ikoko toedza kuvanyengetedza kuti vaite runyararo" Zvakanaka isu tese tine kodzero yekufunga kwedu, asi mu2005 iyo yese yePalestinian Civil Society yakandibvunza. kuona kuramba tsika, uye ini ndini ani kuti ndiudze nzanga yose inorarama pasi pebasa routsinye randinoziva zviri nani kupfuura ivo.

Zvinotsamwisa kutaura kuti unotamba muMoscow asi kwete muIsrael.

Zvinofadza kuti iwe unotaura izvo zvakapihwa kuti Moscow haimhanye nyika yerusaruraganda zvichienderana nekupondwa kwevagari vemo.

MuRussia, madzinza maduku anosarurwa zvakanyanya. Pakati pezvimwe zvinhu, mamwe madzinza asiri maRussia anotumirwa kuhondo kupfuura madzinza eRussia.

Iwe unoratidzika kunge uri kundikumbira kuti ndione Russia kubva kune yazvino Russo phobic maonero. Ndinosarudza kuzviona zvakasiyana, kunyange sezvandakataura kuti handitauri chiRussian kana kugara muRussia saka ndiri kune imwe nyika.

Iwe unofarira sei chokwadi chekuti Pink Floyd akarekodha chidimbu chitsva kekutanga mumakore makumi matatu - nemuimbi wekuUkraine Andrij Chlywnjuk?

Ndakaona vhidhiyo uye handishamisike, asi ndinoiona ichisuruvarisa chaizvo. Hameno kwandiri, kuita uku kuri kushaikwa muvanhu. Inokurudzira kuenderera mberi kwehondo. Pink Floyd izita randakamboshamwaridzana naro. Yakanga iri nguva huru muhupenyu hwangu, chinhu chikuru kwazvo. Kubatanidza zita iro zvino nechinhu chakadai ... proxy war inondisuwisa. Ndinoreva kuti, havasati vaita pfungwa yekuti, “Misai hondo, misai kuurayana, unganidzai vatungamiri vedu kuti vataure!” Zvinongori izvi-zvishoma kuzunguza kwemureza webhuruu neyero. Ndakanyora mune imwe yetsamba dzangu kuUkraine achiri kuyaruka Alina: Ini handisi kuzosimudza mureza mukukonana uku, kwete mureza weUkraine, kwete mureza weRussia, kwete mureza weUS.

Mushure mekudonha kweRusvingo, wakaita "The Wall" muBerlin yakabatana, zvirokwazvo netarisiro ine tariro yeramangwana. Waifunga kuti iwe unogonawo kubatsira mune ramangwana rino nehunyanzvi hwako, kuita mutsauko?

Chokwadi, ndinotenda izvozvo nanhasi. Kana iwe uine misimboti yezvematongerwo enyika uye uri mhizha, saka nzvimbo mbiri idzi dzakabatana zvisingaite. Ndicho chimwe chikonzero chandakaita kuti ndisiye Pink Floyd, nenzira: Ini ndaive nemisimboti, mamwe anga asina kana akasiyana.

Wava kuzviona iwe semuimbi akaenzana uye murwiri wezvematongerwo enyika?

Hongu, dzimwe nguva ndinotsamira kune imwe, dzimwe nguva imwe.

Rwendo rwako rwazvino rwuchanyatsove rwendo rwako rwekupedzisira here?

(Anoseka) Handina zano. Rwendo urwu rwakanzi "Kushanya Kwekutanga Kwekufara" uye ijee riri pachena nekuti vatambi vekare vanogaroshandisa Farewell Tour semudziyo wekutengesa. Ipapo dzimwe nguva vanoenda pamudyandigere uye dzimwe nguva vanoenda kune imwe Final Farewell Tour, zvese zvakanaka.

Iwe unoda kuramba uchitumira chimwe chinhu kunyika, ita mutsauko?

Ndinoda mimhanzi yakanaka, ndinoda zvinyorwa zvakanaka - kunyanya Chirungu nechiRussian, zvakare chiGerman. Ndosaka ndichifarira pfungwa yekuti vanhu vaone nekunzwisisa zvandinoita.

Saka sei usingazezi nemashoko ezvematongerwo enyika?

Nokuti ndiri zvandiri. Dai ndisiri munhu uyu ane zvitendero zvakasimba mune zvematongerwo enyika, ndingadai ndisina kunyora kuti “Rima Rima reMwedzi”, “The Wall”, “Wish You Are Here”, “Amused to Death” nezvimwe zvese. .

Ndinokutendai zvikuru nebvunzurudzo.