by Dememocracy Zvino, September 1, 2021
Vhidhiyo yakazara pano: https://www.democracynow.org/shows/2021/8/31?autostart=true
Sezvo United States ichipedza kuvapo kwayo kwemauto muAfghanistan mushure memakore makumi maviri ekugara nehondo, iyo Mari dzeHondo Project inofungidzira kuti yakashandisa pamusoro pe $ 20 trillion muAfghanistan nePakistan, uye nekuverenga kumwe, vanhu vanopfuura 2.2 vakafa panguva yekurwira maviri apfuura makumi emakore. Kathy Kelly, murwiri wenguva yakareba murunyararo uyo akaenda kuAfghanistan kakawanda uye nekugadzirisa mushandirapamwe weBan Killer Drones, anoti zvichange zvakakosha kuti nyika dzepasirese dzitarise kuvanhu veAfghanistan. "Munhu wese muUnited States uye munyika dzese dzakapinda vakapinda muAfghanistan vanofanirwa kutsiva," anodaro Kelly. "Kwete chete kudzosera kwemari kwekuparadza kunotyisa kwakakonzera, asiwo kugadzirisa… masisitimu ehondo anofanirwa kuiswa parutivi uye kubviswa."
AMY MURUME AKANAKA: Ichi chi Dememocracy Zvino!, democracynow.org, Nhoroondo Yehondo uye Rugare. Ndiri Amy Goodman, naJuan González.
Mauto eU.S. nemauto emumiriri akabuda muAfghanistan nguva diki yepakati pehusiku nguva yeKabul Muvhuro manheru. Ipo kufamba uku kuchirondedzerwa semagumo ehondo yakarebesa munhoroondo yeUS, vamwe vanoyambira kuti hondo inogona kunge isiri kupera zvechokwadi. NeSvondo, Secretary of State Tony Blinken akaonekwa Taura neChirongwa uye vakakurukura kugona kweUS kuti varambe vachirwisa Afghanistan mushure mekunge mauto abva.
RWEMAHARA OF STATE Antony BLINKEN: Tine kugona kutenderera pasirese, kusanganisira muAfghanistan, kutora - kutsvaga nekutora ratidziro kumagandanga anoda kutikuvadza. Uye sezvamunoziva, munyika nenyika, kusanganisira nzvimbo dzakaita seYemen, seSomalia, mativi makuru eSyria, Libya, nzvimbo dzatisina bhutsu pasi pane chero rudzi rwekuenderera, tine mukana wekutevera vanhu vari kuedza kutiitira zvinokuvadza. Tichachengetedza chinzvimbo icho muAfghanistan.
AMY MURUME AKANAKA: Kudzoka muna Kubvumbi, The New York Times Zvinonzi United States inotarisirwa kuramba ichivimba ne, quote, "mumvuri mubatanidzwa wemauto eSpecial Operations mauto, makondirakiti ePentagon uye akavanzika ehungwaru" mukati meAfghanistan. Hazvina kujeka kuti marongero aya achinja sei zvichitevera kutora kweTaliban.
Kune zvimwe, isu takabatana muChicago neyakareba murunyararo muratidziri Kathy Kelly. Akasarudzwa weNobel Peace Prize kakawanda. Akaenda kuAfghanistan kakawanda.
Kathy, gamuchirai zvakare Dememocracy Zvino! Unogona here kutanga nekupindura kune izvo zviri kurumbidzwa mupepanhau reUS sezvo hondo refu kwazvo munhoroondo yeUS yapera?
KATHY KELLY: Zvakanaka, Ann Jones akambonyora bhuku rakanzi Hondo Haisi Paya Kana Yapera. Zvirokwazvo, kune vanhu vari muAfghanistan, avo vakatambudzwa nehondo iyi, nemamiriro ekusanaya kwemvura kwemakore maviri, wave wechitatu Covid, chokwadi chaicho chehupfumi, ivo vachiri kutambura zvakanyanya.
Uye iyo drone inorova, ndinofunga, chiratidzo chekuti - idzi dzichangoburwa drone, kuti United States haina kuisa parutivi chinangwa chayo chekuramba vachishandisa icho chavanoti chisimba nekururamisa, asi izvo izvo Daniel Hale, uyo ava mutirongo , yakaratidza 90% yenguva haina kurova avo vaida kubatwa. Uye izvi zvinokonzeresa zvishuwo zvekutsiva uye kutsiva nekudeura ropa.
JOHANI GONZÁLEZ: Uye, Kathy, ini ndaida kukubvunza, maererano neizvi - unonzwa here kuti vanhu veAmerica vachatora zvidzidzo zvakanakisa kubva kune ino yakaipa mamiriro muAfghanistan, uku kukundwa kuri pachena kweUnited States nebasa rayo? Mushure mekunge taona izvozvi kwamakore makumi manomwe mauto eUS anodzidziswa mumabasa aya, kubva kuKorea kuenda kuVietnam kuenda kuLibya ku - maBalkan ndicho chinhu chega icho US inogona kuronga sekukunda. Pakave nedambudziko shure kwedambudziko, ikozvino Afghanistan. Chidzidzo chipi chaunotarisira kuti vanhu vedu vadzidze kubva pamabasa akaipa aya?
KATHY KELLY: Zvakanaka, Juan, unoziva, ndinofunga mazwi aAbraham Heschel anoshanda: Vamwe vane mhosva; zvese zvinozvidavirira. Ini ndinofunga munhu wese muUnited States uye munyika dzese dzakapinda nechisimba muAfghanistan dzinofanirwa kuita muripo uye nekutsvaka nemoyo wese izvo, kwete chete kuripira kwemari kwekuparadza kunotyisa kwakakonzerwa, asi zvakare kugadzirisa masisitimu awakambotaura akatamba kunze kwenyika nenyika, masisitimu ehondo anofanirwa kuiswa parutivi uye kubviswa. Ichi ndicho chidzidzo chandinofunga kuti vanhu vekuUS vanofanirwa kudzidza. Asi, iwe unoziva, pakanga paine kufukidzwa kwakawanda mumavhiki maviri apfuura nenhepfenyuro huru yeAfghanistan kupfuura zvayakaita mumakore makumi maviri apfuura, uye saka vanhu havana kuchengetedzwa nenhepfenyuro maererano nekunzwisisa mhedzisiro yehondo dzedu.
AMY MURUME AKANAKA: Iwe hausi mubhizinesi, Kathy, wekurumbidza vatungamiriri veUS kana zvasvika kuhondo. Uye uyu aive mumwe mutungamiriri weUS mushure meumwe, ndinofunga, kwekunge, zvachose. Iwe unofunga kuti Biden aive nehushingi hwezvematongerwo enyika pakuburitsa, kusvika padanho rekuti, paruzhinji, yekupedzisira mauto eUS, pikicha yakatumirwa nePentagon, nemutungamiriri achienda kune wekupedzisira mutakuri wekutakura achienda?
KATHY KELLY: Ini ndinofunga dai Mutungamiri Biden ataura kuti aizoenda kunokwikwidza neUnited States Air Force chikumbiro chemadhora gumi emadhora ekugonesa pamusoro-pe-kutenderera kurwisa, ingadai yakave iri hushingi hwezvematongerwo enyika hwatinofanira kuona. Tinoda mutungamiriri wenyika achamira kumakambani anoita zvemasoja anoita mabhiriyoni nekushambadza zvombo zvavo, oti, "Tapedza nazvo zvese." Ndiyo mhando yekushinga kwezvematongerwo enyika kwatinoda.
AMY MURUME AKANAKA: Uye kurwisa kwepamusoro-soro, kwevanhu vasingazive izwi iri, zvazvinoreva, maUS akagadzwa sei kurwisa Afghanistan izvozvi kubva kunze?
KATHY KELLY: Huye, iyo $ 10 bhiriyoni iyo yakakumbirwa neUS Air Force ichaenda kunochengetedza ese drone kuongororwa uye kurwisa drone kugona uye inokwenenzverwa ndege ndege muKuwait, muUnited Arab Emirates, muQatar uye mundege nepakati pegungwa. Uye nekudaro, izvi zvinogara zvichiita kuti zvikwanise kuti United States irambe ichirwisa, kazhinji vanhu vasiri ivo varikushungurudzwa, uyezve kuti kune dzimwe nyika dzese mudunhu iri, "Tichiri pano."
AMY MURUME AKANAKA: Tinokutendai, Kathy, zvikuru nekuve nesu. Masekonzi gumi pakuripa. Zvingatarise sei, kana iwe uchiti US ine chikwereti chekubhadhara kuvanhu veAfghanistan?
KATHY KELLY: Mari hombe yakaiswa neUS uye neese NATO nyika mune imwe nhoroondo yekutsvaga, izvo zvaisazove pasi pekutungamira kana kugoverwa kweUnited States. United States yakatoratidza kuti haigone kuita izvozvo pasina huori uye kutadza. Asi ini ndinofunga isu tichafanirwa kutarisa kuUN nemapoka ane mukurumbira wekugona kunyatsobatsira vanhu muAfghanistan, uyezve nekubhadhara kuburikidza nekuparadza hurongwa hwehondo.
AMY MURUME AKANAKA: Kathy Kelly, murwiri wenguva yakareba murwiri uye munyori, mumwe wenhengo dzakavamba dzeVoices muWilderness, akazotevera Voices yeCreative Nonviolence, uye murongi wemubatanidzwa weBan Killer Drones mushandirapamwe uye nhengo ye World Beyond War. Akaenda kuAfghanistan kanoda kusvika makumi matatu.
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