Mutambi Akasarudzwa naOscar James Cromwell Anotaura Pamberi Nguva Yejeri Yekuratidzira Murunyararo Anti-Fracking

AMY MURUME AKANAKA: Mutambi akasarudzwa neOscar James Cromwell ari kuenda kujeri na4:00 pm nguva dzekuMabvazuva nhasi kumusoro kweNew York, mushure mekunge atongerwa vhiki ari muhusungwa nekutora chikamu mukuratidzira kusina mhirizhonga vachipokana negwenya remagetsi rinopfurwa negasi. Cromwell anoti achatangisawo nzara. Ndiye mumwe wevatanhatu vanorwira kodzero dzevanhu vakasungwa nemhosva yekuvharisa motokari panzvimbo yekugara kunze kwenzvimbo yekuvaka 650-megawatt plant muWawayanda, New York, kumusoro, Zvita 2015. Vanorwira kodzero dzevanhu vanoti nzvimbo iyi ichakurudzira kuparara kwegasi mumatunhu akavakidzana uye kubatsira. kukuchinja kwemamiriro ekunze.

James Cromwell anozivikanwa zvikuru nemabasa ake mune mamwe 50 Hollywood mafirimu, akasarudzwa kuti ave Oscar mu Babe, pamwe chete nehuwandu hweTV series, kusanganisira Tsitsi nhanhatu Pasi. Ndakataura naye neChina pamwe chete nemumwe wevasungwa naye vari kuenda kujeri nhasi, zvakare, Pramilla Malick, muvambi weProtect Orange County, boka renharaunda rinotungamira vanopikisa kune gasi rakapwanyika magetsi. Akamhanya muna 2016 kuNew York state Senate. Ndakatanga nekubvunza James Cromwell kuti sei ari kujeri nhasi.

JAMES CROMWELL: Isu tose tiri muhondo, kwete kudzivirira nzira yehupenyu, asi kuchengetedza hupenyu pachahwo. Masangano edu haana mari. Vatungamiriri vedu vanobatanidzwa. Uye veruzhinji vakaodzwa mwoyo uye vakaodzwa mwoyo nehurongwa hwese. Pane hukama hwakananga pakati pechirimwa chiri muMinisink—

AMY MURUME AKANAKA: Minisink iripi?

JAMES CROMWELL: MuWawayanda. Iri kumusoro kweNew York. Vanodaidza kuti upstate. Haisi kure zvakanyanya pamusoro pemuganhu weNew Jersey. Pakati pechirimwa ichocho neMiddle East. Isu tiri muhondo kwete chete neIraq neSyria neAfghanistan neYemen. Tiri muhondo neDimock, Pennsylvania, kunobva gasi, naWawayanda, inoshandisa gasi, neSeneca Lake, kwayaifanira kuchengetwa, uye neStanding Rock.

Uye inguva, chaizvoizvo, kutumidza chirwere. Vanhu vazhinji havagone kuisa chigunwe chavo pane chikonzero chazvo, asi munhu wese anoona kutyisidzira. Capitalism igomarara. Uye nzira chete yekukunda kenza iyi ndeyekunyatso shandura mararamiro edu uye nemafungire edu pachedu. Uye ini ndinodana iyo radical shanduko chimurenga. Saka ichi ndicho chimurenga.

NEMEEN SHAIKH: Saka, tsanangura kuti chinongedzo chii. Capitalism, iwe unoti, ndiyo honzeri yezviri kuitika, iyo US iri kuita, kuMiddle East, uye zviri kuitika kumusoro kweNew York neStanding Rock zvichingodaro.

JAMES CROMWELL: Chirimwa ichi chakavakwa nekambani inongofarira kugadzira purofiti. Hapana kudikanwa kwemagetsi, uye nzira iyo simba rinogadzirwa nayo haigoneki kuhupenyu munharaunda. Uye zvino, iyo inharaunda inosvika kure, nekuti ichave nemhedzisiro kunyangwe kuvanhu veNew York. Yese yakanyanyisa chidimbu chechinhu chinobuda mune idzi chiutsi chinopedzisira chapera muNew York City. Saka munhu wese anobatwa.

Zvino, izvo zvinoitwa nekuti tiri kuedza kuve nekuzvimirira kwesimba. Iro simba ratiri kuedza kuzvimiririra raive gasi nemafuta zvakabva kuMiddle East. Middle East payakatanga kuenda kune dzimwe hurumende dzegutsaruzhinji, hurumende yeUnited States nedzimwe hurumende, Britain, France, masimba ese ekoloni akati, “Kwete, kwete, kwete. Hausi kuenda kudemokrasi, nekuti kana ukaenda kune demokrasi, unotyisidzira kuwana kwedu simba rako. " Uye saka, vakashatisa, nenzira dzavo dzakaipa.

Uye pakupedzisira, izvo zvakatungamira kune-isu takagadzira ISIS. Isu, maAmerican, takagadzira ISIS, kuitira kurwisa chimwe chinhu-chikanganiso chimwe chete chatakaita nemujahideen muAfghanistan. Uye ndiko kuchengetedza zvatinoda. Kana mukatarisa VaTillerson, VaTillerson vari kugarira zvibvumirano zvemadhora chidimbu chetririyoni nemaRussia. Uye saka, ane-

AMY MURUME AKANAKA: Paakanga ari CEO yeExxonMobil.

JAMES CROMWELL: Paakanga ari CEO, izvo zvichiri kumirira. Zvinogona kukanganisa kambani yake. Anogona kukanganisa kambani yake, nokukurumidza kana kurambidzwa kwabviswa. Saka, ndiri kuti pane kubatana, kana uchitaura nezvesimba. Simba rinodiwa pasi rose uye rinogadzirwa mune dzimwe nzvimbo chete. Isu tave kugadzira simba nekufuridza pasi uye kuvharirwa methane gasi, iyo isingagoneki kune hutano. Uye isu tinozvitumira izvo kuburikidza nemapombi. Chinangwa chikuru chayo, zvisinei, hachisi chekusimbisa gwenya remagetsi. Ndechokutumira kuCanada kunonyunguditsa, kwavanogona kuita purofiti yakapetwa katanhatu kubva pakutengeswa kwegasi iroro kupfuura zvavanogona kuita muUnited States.

AMY MURUME AKANAKA: Saka, regai ndikubvunzei zvakaitika anenge makore maviri chaiwo apfuura. Ndirikureva kuti mava kuenda kujeri izvozvi, asi chiito chamakapinda muna Chikumi 2015. Tiudzei kwamakaenda uye kuti makaitei.

JAMES CROMWELL: Tave nekuratidzira kunhonga pamberi pechirimwa ichi chave chiri kuvakwa kwemakore maviri nechidimbu apfuura. Uye zvakasvika padanho - vanhu vazhinji vanopfuura vanoridza nyanga dzavo mukutsigira, asi hapana chakaitika. Takaedza-

AMY MURUME AKANAKA: Uye ichi chirimwa-

JAMES CROMWELL: Icho chirimwa, chakatsemuka gasi-powered power plant, zvinoreva kuti vanopinza gasi kubva kuPennsylvania.

AMY MURUME AKANAKA: Uye vari?

JAMES CROMWELL: Zvakanaka, ndizvo-izvi ndizvo-

AMY MURUME AKANAKA: Iyo kambani?

JAMES CROMWELL: Competitive Power Ventures iri kuvaka chirimwa.

AMY MURUME AKANAKA: CPV.

JAMES CROMWELL: Asi kune Millennium Pipeline, iyo Pramilla anoziva zvakawanda nezvake, muridzi weizvi. Iyo ndeyechokwadi yemakambani makuru matatu: Mitsubishi, GE uye Chikwereti Suisse. Zvino, izvo vatatu vakuru vemarudzi akawanda vangafarira chii chirimwa ichi, chiri pakati nepakati, kunyange chichiparadza? Zvavanonyanya kufarira, ndiyo inotangira 300 zvirimwa zvakafanana. Kana chirimwa ichi chikavakwa uye chikawana pamhepo, hapana chikonzero chekusavaka zvimwe zvezvirimwa izvi. Isu tinotenda iyi inoda kumiswa, kana iwe uchida kumisa iyo yese kuvaka kweiyo hydrofracking zvivakwa uye nemhedzisiro yayo pane yedu nharaunda.

AMY MURUME AKANAKA: Saka wakaitei?

JAMES CROMWELL: Takazofunga zano rekuzvisunga pamwechete. Takazvisunga necheni pamwe chete nemakiyi ebhasikoro, uye takavhara musuwo wechirimwa kweinenge-maererano nemuchuchisi, anenge maminetsi makumi maviri nemanomwe. Uye mutongi nemuchuchisi vaiita sekureva kuti hazvina kuita mutsauko pane zvakaitika nechirimwa ichi. Asi zvinoita mutsauko. Chatiri kuedza kuburitsa ishoko rekuti iyi inguva imwe chete, asi zviri kuitika kutenderera nyika ino nepasirese. Vari kurwisana naro muEngland. Vari kurwisana naro pasi rose.

NEMEEN SHAIKH: Saka, Pramilla, unogona here kutaura nezve chirimwa ichi, kuti wakabatanidzwa sei mukuratidzira, icho chirimwa ichi chakagadzirirwa kuita uye zvaunofunga kuti hutano hweveruzhinji hungave hupi, kana ikavakwa?

PRAMILLA MALICK: Saka, iyi i650-megawatt yakatsemuka gasi remagetsi. Ichaenderana nezana kusvika ku150 matsime emvura pagore. Saka tinoziva kuti, muPennsylvania, kune-huwandu hwekufa kwevacheche huri kuwedzera. Kuwanda kwegomarara kuri kuwedzera. Matsime ari kusvibiswa. Asi pamwe chete neizvozvo, hutano hunokanganisa hunofamba pamwe chete netiweki yezvivakwa. Saka ini ndinogara padhuze nechiteshi checompressor, uye takatonyora nezvehutano munharaunda yangu, muMinisink, yemhino, kutemwa nemusoro, mapundu, zviratidzo zvetsinga.

AMY MURUME AKANAKA: Uye izvi zvinokonzerwa nei?

PRAMILLA MALICK: Kuratidzwa kune yakatsemuka gasi compressor station, iyo Minisink compressor station. Uye izvi zvakanyorwa neboka revasayendisiti. Saka, munoziva, tekinoroji ichiri nyowani, uye vanhu vachangotanga — masayendisiti ari kumhanya mhanya kuedza kunzwisisa zviri kuitika. Asi nharaunda dzepamberi, sedzedu, tinozvinzwa. Tinozviona. Tinoziva kuti pane kukanganisa hutano. Uye-

AMY MURUME AKANAKA: Uye saka, wakabatanidzwa sei nekuratidzira uku kwaJune 2015, uye chii chaizvo chawakaita?

PRAMILLA MALICK: Zvakanaka, ndakazvivharirawo pasi, naJames Cromwell uye naMadeline Shaw.

AMY MURUME AKANAKA: Uye Madeline Shaw ndiani?

PRAMILLA MALICK: Munhu mukuru anogara munharaunda. Ari kunetsekana zvikuru nekuti anofunga kuti achafanira kusiya imba yaaigara kubva muna 1949, kana chirimwa ichi chikavakwa.

AMY MURUME AKANAKA: James akataura nezveSeneca Lake. Zvino, pakanga pasina kukunda kuchangobva kuitika kwevezvemamiriro ekunze vakamisa nzvimbo yekuchengetera ipapo?

PRAMILLA MALICK: Ehe.

AMY MURUME AKANAKA: Uye izvi zvine chekuita sei nezvauri kuedza kumisa?

PRAMILLA MALICK: Zvakanaka, ivo vaive pachinzvimbo chakada kufanana nesu, mupfungwa yekuti vakaita hurongwa hwekutonga, vakakumbirwa, vakakwidzwa kumatare edzimhosva, vakakwidza nyaya kuvakuru vavo vese vakasarudzwa, uye hapana kwavakanosvika. Uye saka vakatanga kupinda mukusateerera kwevanhu. Uye ini ndinofunga izvo zvakagadzira kumanikidza kwakakwana kukambani iyo kambani yakazobvisa chikumbiro chavo chenzvimbo yekuchengetera. Asi kana iwe uchibvumidza 650-megawatt yakatsemuka gasi remagetsi - uye ini ndinoyeuchidza vanhu kuti izvi - izvi zvakabvumidzwa nedunhu reNew York, naGavhuna wedu Cuomo, uyo akarambidza kubira, achitaura nezvehutano hwakaipa, asi akabvumidza chirimwa ichi. iyo inokwezva uye inotsamira pazviuru zvematsime matsva emvura mukati mehupenyu hwayo. Hatitombodi chirimwa chemagetsi ichi zvachose. Asi zviri kuvakwa zvakadaro.

Uye, munoziva, chirongwa chemabhiriyoni emadhora. Asi zvichatidhurira, maererano nemasayendisiti-uye ichi ndicho chikonzero takaita kusateerera kwevanhu, uye takava nemuyedzo umo takakwanisa kuunza masayendisiti kuti apupure. Ichadyira nzanga $940 miriyoni pagore mumitengo yehutano uye mutengo wezvivakwa uye mamwe mari yehupfumi. Uye zvichawedzera kuburitswa kwegasi regreenhouse munzvimbo yedu nekupfuura 10 muzana yechikamu chemagetsi chedunhu reNew York.

AMY MURUME AKANAKA: James Cromwell, ungadai uchangobva kubhadhara faindi, asi uri kusarudza kuenda kujeri. Uchaenda kujeri kusvika rinhi? Uye sei uri kuita izvi?

JAMES CROMWELL: Takatongerwa mazuva manomwe. Zviri kusarudzo yenzvimbo yacho kuti tinoshanda kwenguva yakareba sei. Dzimwe nguva unoenda kune hunhu hwakanaka. Ini handina zano. Ndiri kugadzirira kwemazuva manomwe. Chikonzero chandakazviita chaive, handikwanise kupembedza kusarongeka kwezvandinofunga kuti kwaive kutadza zvachose uye kutonga kwakapusa. Uye saka, ndinofunga kuenda kujeri chirevo chekuti tinofanira kusimudza sei mutambo wedu. Hazvina kunaka kungonhonga nekuteterera, nekuti hapana arikuteerera. Mabudisiro anoita vanhu meseji unoita chiito chekusateerera kwevanhu. Ndizvo zvakaitwa naTim DeChristopher, vakawanda—vanhu vose vari muStanding Rock. Ndicho chaiva chinangwa cheStanding Rock. Kujeka kweDombo Rakamira vaive vakuru — nekuti ndaivepo — vakuru vachiti, “Uyu musasa wekunamatira. Nemamwe mashoko, zvinobva mumweya wedu wemukati. Tinofanira kushandura mweya wemukati uyu. Tinofanira kushandura hukama hwedu kune nyika uye kune vanhu vanogara pasi pano, kusanganisira vanhu vari kutipikisa. Saka, ndinotenda kuti, nenzira yedu diki, ndicho chirevo chatiri kutaura. Ino ndiyo nguva yekusimudza mutambo. Ino inguva yekugadzirisa chikonzero chikuru chechirwere chedu.

AMY MURUME AKANAKA: Ndanga ndichidawo kukubvunza nezvekutaura kwako nezve vanhu vane dambudziko rekutumidza capitalism segomarara.

JAMES CROMWELL: Ehe.

AMY MURUME AKANAKA: Zvinoita senge chirevo chaEdward Abbey: "Kukura nekuda kwekukura ipfungwa yekenza yesero."

JAMES CROMWELL: Ruramisa.

AMY MURUME AKANAKA: Kuburikidza nemagariro ako, uri kutora capitalism.

JAMES CROMWELL: Ehe.

AMY MURUME AKANAKA: Havasi vese vanoongorora zvakatipoteredza vanodaro. Unogona kutaura nezvazvo here?

JAMES CROMWELL: Handikwanise kutaura kune vese vanoongorora zvakatipoteredza. Ini ndinofunga nyaya dzese-zvese zvinhu zvinotiitira zvakaipa zvinotanga. Isu tiri tsika yerufu, ne“rufu” zvichireva kuti chinoiswa—chiri chikuru—chipi mutauro watinotaura nawo ndiwo mutauro wepamusika. Zvese zviri kutengeswa. Zvose zvinogadziriswa. Uye izvo zvinoita - uyezve, hongu, iwe unofanirwa kugadzira iyo yakakura kwazvo purofiti, zvinoreva kuti iwe unofanirwa kudzvinyirira basa. Iwe unofanirwa kudzvinyirira mutengo wezvinhu zvako zvechisikigo. Iwe unofanirwa kudzora nzvimbo dzako dzekupesvedzera, kuitira kuti China irege kupera nemafuta ese eIran kana Iraq. Uye saka, ipapo, mafungiro emhando iyi anotungamira kurudzi rwekukonana kwatinosangana nako kwese kwese.

Kana tikatarisa zvimwe—kana tikabvuma kuti tiri—kupindwa muropa kwedu nesimba iri, kupindwa muropa kwedu nemararamiro edu, izvo zvatinotora sezvisingakoshi munyika ino, mune imwe nzira—isu tine mutoro. Kana tikabvuma mutoro iwoyo, usina kufanana nemhosva—kana tikabvuma mutoro iwoyo, zvino tinogona kushandura izvi nekuziva chatinofanira kushandura inzira yatinodyidzana nayo nenyika yakasikwa, kune zvimwe zvisikwa zvinonzwisisa, nepasi. . Isu tinozvitarisa zvino semugero watinogona — tinogona kubata chibharo nekuunganidza. Uye hazvina kudaro. Pane kuenzana kune zvakasikwa, uye isu takatyora iyo chiyero. Uye ndizvo zvinoratidza muAntarctica nhasi. Zvinoratidza pasi rose. Nyika iri kumisazve chiyero pamutengo wedu.

AMY MURUME AKANAKA: Mutambi akasarudzwa naOscar James Cromwell naPramilla Malick vari kuenda kujeri nhasi nekuda kwekuratidzira kwavo kusiri mhirizhonga vachipokana negwenya rinopfurwa negasi rinoshandisa gasi rakapwanyika muOrange County, New York. Ndakavabvunzurudza China naNermeen Shaikh. Varatidziri vanotanga vaita musangano panzvimbo yekuvaka chirimwa, vobva vazvipira kuenda kujeri.