Ngatidzosereiwo Mauto Too

From The Intercept, June 18, 2020

Uku kudhindwa kwechinyorwa che Akadudzirwa Podcast inosanganisira Bernie Sanders 'wezvekunze mutemo chipangamazano Matt Duss naMehdi Hasan.

UNITED STATES ine parizvino bhajeti rakakura kwazvo rehondo, rinoverengera gumi neshanu muzana emari dzose dzesangano uye inoda kusvika hafu yemari yese yakasarudzika. Vatungamiri vemapato ese vari vaviri vakatadza kudzokorora kuunza bhajeti rePentagon pasi pehutongi. Sen. Bernie Sanders weVermont anga ari mamwe emanzwi akanzwika muCongress achipokana nekucheka kwakanyanya; chipangamazano wake wekunze wekunze, Matt Duss, ajoina Mehdi Hasan kuita nyaya yekudzosera Pentagon.

Matt Duss: Hondo yepasi rose yeHondo, iyo inochengetedza United States pahondo yenyika, yaunza hutongi hwedu, zvakakonzeramatongerwo enyika, uye yakaunza zvatinoona mumigwagwa yedu, yakaburitsa Donald Trump!

[Musical pindirana.]

Mehdi Hasan: Tikugashirei kuDeconstructed, ndiri Mehdi Hasan.

Vhiki rapfuura, takataura kudzima mari kumapurisa. Vhiki rino: Inguva yekudzosera mari muchiuto?

MD: Tinogona here kuchengetedza vanhu vedu vakachengeteka nemari shoma yatiri kushandisa izvozvi? Zvirokwazvo tinogona.

MH: Ndiwo muenzi wangu nhasi, Matt Duss, mukuru wekune dzimwe nyika murairidzi anopa Senator Bernie Sanders.

Asi arikucheka bhajeti rehondo reAmerican, iri kutora Pentagon ine simba, inofambira mberi kurota kana zano rakasvika nguva yasvika?

Ngatiitei mhinduro yechimbichimbi.

Mubvunzo 1: Ndeipi hofisi yakakura kwazvo kuvaka munyika?

Mhinduro: The Pentagon. Makumi matanhatu nehafu emamirita mativi emamirita ezere pasi - kanokwana katatu saizi yenzvimbo yepasi yeDenga State Building. Yakakura.

Mubvunzo 2: Ndiani kana ndechipi chikuru mushandirwi munyika?

Mhinduro: Zvakare zvakare, iyo Pentagon, ine vashandi vangangoita mamirioni matatu. Mauto eChina anouya munzvimbo yechipiri aine vashandi vanopfuura mamirioni maviri, uye Walmart iri munzvimbo yechitatu.

Mubvunzo 3: Ndeipi dhipatimendi redziviriro ine bhajeti rakakura remauto munyika?

Mhinduro: Wakafungidzira, iyo US Dhipatimendi Dziviriro, iyo Pentagon!

Hongu, yakakura munzira dzose dzaunofunga nezvayo - kupfuura huru. Iyo US US bhajeti ikozvino yakamira pamadhora mazana manomwe nemakumi matanhatu nematanhatu emadhora, zvinoreva kuti Pentagon inoshandisa mari yakawanda kwazvo kuzvidzivirira sezvo nyika gumi dzinotevera munyika dzakabatanidzwa - dzakabatanidzwa! Muchokwadi, dzinenge ina kubva pamadhora gumi ese anoshandiswa muchiuto, pasi rose, gore rega rega, rinoshandiswa muchiuto cheUS. Ndozvazvinoita kupusa!

Newscaster: "Bvisa mapurisa" abva kunoratidzira chant kuenda kune yakakomba nyaya yekukurukurwa kwemitemo.

MH: Tinotaura zvakawanda mazuva ano nezve kuendesa mari kumapurisa, uye saizvozvo. Saka haisi nguva yatakataurawo nezvekubhadhara Pentagon, kudzima mari muchiuto?

Sezvinoita mari yemapurisa, iyo US iri mumakambani anoshandisa mari yemauto. Uye sekushandiswa kwemapurisa, kushandiswa kwemauto kunonyima vekuAmeric mari mari inogona kushandiswa zvakanyanya kumwe kunhu.

Washington Post yakashuma gore rapfuura kuti kana US ichishandisa chikamu chimwe chete cheGDP yayo kuzvidzivirira sezvinoita nyika zhinji dzeEuropean, "inogona kubatsira mari yekuchengeta vana, kuwedzera inshuwaransi yehutano kune vangangoita mamirioni makumi matatu vekuAmerican vanoshaya, kana inopa mari yakakura mukugadzirisa matunhu. ”

Uye ichi hachisi chimwe chakasaririra, chakasununguka munharaunda-yedemocracy kufungidzira - pfungwa yekucheka mari yemauto nekushandisa mari yacho kubhadhara zvimwe zvinhu zvirinani, zvisiri zvechisimba. Heano maitiro ekuPurezidhendi weRepublican, Dwight Eisenhower, aimbova mukuru wemauto, nenzira, kuzviisa muhurukuro yake ye "Chance for Peace" muna 1953:

Mutungamiri Dwight D. Eisenhower: Pfuti imwe neimwe yakagadzirwa, kurwa kwega kwega kwakatangwa, rombo roga roga rakabudiswa rinoratidza, mupfungwa yekupedzisira, kuba kubva kune vane nzara uye vasina kudyiwa, avo vanotonhora uye vasina kupfeka.

MH: Mumitauro yake yekutsiva 1961, Eisenhower akanyeverawo pamusoro pesimba uye masimba eUS mauto maindasitiri, ayo anogara achimanikidza mari yekudzivirira - nehondo zhinji:

DDE: Mumakanzuru ehurumende, tinofanirwa kuchenjera nezvekuwanikwa kwevanyengeri, tisingatsvage kana kuiswa, nevemauto-maindasitiri.

MH: Asi yambiro yaIke yakawira pamusoro pezeve matsi. Kuparadzaniswa kwerunyararo uko kwaifanirwa kunge kunobva kumagumo eCold War hakuna kuzomboitika. Pasi paGeorge W. Bush takawana Hondo yepasi rose paNhamo. Uye Barack Obama anogona kunge akaunza kudzikisira zvishoma pamubhadharo wezvekudzivirira asi sezvakataurwa nemagazini yeAtlantic muna 2016: "Munguva yehutungamiriri hwake […] mauto eUS achange apa mari yakawanda kuzvirongwa zvine chekuita nehondo kupfuura izvo akaita pasi peBush: Z $ mazana matanhatu nemakumi masere emadhora pasi paObama kana zvichienzaniswa nemadhora mazana masere nemakumi masere nemanomwe pasi peBush. "

Nhasi, pasi paTrump, United States iri kushandisa zvakanyanya muchiuto chayo kupfuura panguva ipi neipi kubva Hondo Yenyika II, kunze kwepfupi kwekupinda kweIraq kutanga kwe2000. Hondo yeIraq, nenzira, yakabhadhara US mari inodarika zviuru zvitatu zvemadhora, Hondo paTerror, seyese, inodarika madhora mazana matanhatu ezviuru, uye bhajeti rePentagon, mumakore gumi anotevera, vanofungidzirwa kuita mutengo unodarika zviuru zvitatu zvemadhora.

Sei? Nei uchishandisa mari yakawanda kudaro pabazi rehurumende risingakwanise kunyatsoongororwa, risingakwanise mabhirioni nemabhiriyoni emadhora mukushandisa mari, ndiyo inokonzera mhirizhonga uye kufa kwakawanda pasirese - kunyanya kufa kwevanhu vatema uye vanhu brown munzvimbo dzakaita seMiddle East kana Nyanga ye Africa?

Kana iwe ukatsigira kudzorera mari kumapurisa, uye weBlack Lives Matter mubatsiri-Patrisse Cullors akaitisa nyaya yacho zvakanyatsonaka uye zvinogutsa - pakuratidzira uku, svondo rapfuura. Kana iwe ukatsigira kubhadhara mari kumapurisa, sezvandinoita ini, iwe unofanirawo kutsigira kubhadhara Pentagon, kubhadhara mauto. Haisi-brainer.

Uye ini ndinoti kwete chete nekuda kweTom Cotton yese, ngatitumei mumauto, The New York Times op-ed, kana chokwadi chekuti zviuru makumi matatu National National Guardsmen uye 30,000 mapurisa anoshanda-euto emauto nekuchecheudzwa zvakaunzwa kuzobatsira mutemo wenzvimbo. kurudziro - kazhinji nechisimba - kusundira shure kupokana nekurwisa rusaruraganda munyika yose mumavhiki apfuura.

Ini ndoti kudzorera muchiuto nekuti ichi chiuto chine chisimba cheUS, chine bhajeti rekubuda kunze, inotambudzwa nerusarura, uye izere nevarume vane zvombo vanodzidziswa kuona vazhinji vevatema uye vatema vavanosangana navo kunze kwenyika sekutyisidzira. .

Rangarira: Hondo dzekunze dzakarwirwa nevemauto eUS hazvigone pasina rusaruraganda, pasina rusaruro rwenyika. Kana iwe uchida kurova bhomba kana kupinda nyika yekune dzimwe nyika izere nevanhu vatema- kana ganda rebrown, semauto eUnited States kazhinji, unofanira kutanga wadhimoni vanhu ivavo, uchivapa vanhu, upe zano kuti vanodzokera vanhu vanoda kuponesa kana kuponesa vanhu vanoda kuuraya.

Rusaruro ndirwo uye rwagara ruri chikamu chakabatana cheUS yekune dzimwe nyika, mutyairi wayo. Ndinoyeuka iyi nzira inoshungurudza iyo yakatenderera mushure mekunge Rodney King akarohwa zvakaipisisa pakamera kamera nevatungamiriri veLAPD muna1991: "Kana America iri mupurisa wenyika, saka nyika ndiAmerican Rodney King."

Parizvino, iwe une mazana mazana maviri emauto eUS akasimuka mhiri kwemakungwa munyika dzinodarika mazana mashanu. Une mazana masere aimbove mauto eUS pasi penyika makumi masere. Chekungofananidza, dzimwe nyika gumi nembiri dzepasi rose dzine zvigadziko mudzimwe nyika, dziine makumi manomwe emabge pakati pawo - pakati pawo!

Uye kuvapo kwemauto eUnited States, hongu, kwakaunza runyararo uye runyararo kune dzimwe nzvimbo dzepasi, ini ndinobvuma, zvakadaro. Asi zvakaunisawo rufu rwakawanda nekuparadza uye mhirizhonga kune dzimwe nzvimbo dzakawanda dzepasi. Sekutsvagurudza kwakaitwa neBrown University gore rapfuura, vanhu vanopfuura mazana masere ezviuru vakaurayiwa semhedzisiro yehondo dzakatungamirwa neUnited States uye mabhomba muIraq, kuAfghanistan, muPakistan kubvira 800,000/9 - vanopfuura chikamu chimwe pazvitatu . Mamwe mazana ezviuru emazana ezviuru akaurayiwa zvisina kukodzera nekuda kwehondo dzinobatanidza mauto eUS - kubva kuchirwere, nyaya dzemugodhi, kukuvadzwa kumatunhu.

Kuno kuUS, kuruboshwe hazvo, isu tinotaura nemusoro nezvehutsinye uye nekusavimbika kupfura kwemapurisa nekuuraya kweasina pfuti ini. Isu tinoziva mazita aWalter Scott, naEric Garner, naPhilando Castile, naTamir Rice, uyezve, izvozvi, George Floyd. Zvinosuruvarisa, zvakadaro, isu hatizive mazita evarume, vakadzi nevana, vakaurayiwa nehutsinye uye zvisiri pamutemo nemauto eU.S. mukuurayiwa munzvimbo dzakadai seShinwar, Kandahar, neMaywand muAfghanistan; kana nzvimbo dzakaita saHaditha, Mahmoudiya, uye Balad muIraq. Hatizive mazita evaafans vakatambudzwa kujeri reBagram Air Base kuAfghanistan, kana veIraq vanotambudzwa kujeri reA Abu Ghraib kuIraq.

Vateresi veUnited States vakabhadhara iko kushushwa uye nekuda kwekuuraya uku; isu tinobhadhara kune idzi dzinoramba dzirwiwa hondo - dzisingagumi - yeropa, rakashata asi risingaperi rinowedzera bhajeti - uye zvakadaro isu tinobvunza mashoma kwazvo mibvunzo nezve chero rayo. Unogona kupokana kuti kubhadhara mari muchiuto ibasa rinokurumidza uye rakadikanwa kupfuura kubhadhara mapurisa - uye yakavhurika uye yakavharwa kesi. Chero nzira, mumaonero angu, kubvisa mari kumapurisa uye kubvisa mari muchiuto kunofanirwa kuenda pamwe.

[Musical pindirana.]

MH: Asi kutora bhindauko repasi rose rePentagon, kudana kuti mari yekuUS ishandiswe, ndeimwe yemitambo mikuru muWashington DC; Zviri kutaura zvisingagadzike muguta rine vazhinji veDemocrat vanomira kumashure kweRepublicans uye vanovhota kuburikidza nekuwedzera kukuru mumashandisirwo edziviriro, gore rimwe gore zvichikwira.

Mumwe wezvematongerwo enyika akasarudzika kubva kune vamwe vese nezvenyaya iyi: Bernie Sanders, mumiriri akasarudzika kubva kuVermont, mumhanyi anomirira musarudzo yemutungamiri wenyika yeDemocrats muna 2016 na2020, ari mumwe wevashoma nhengo dzeCongress. vanogara vachivhota vachipesana nekuwedzera kubhajeti rekudzivirira

Apa arikutaura gore rakapera pagungano pane chaizvo nyaya iyo:

Sénata Bernie Sanders: Asi haisi chete Wall Street nemakambani emishonga nemakambani einishuwarenzi. Uye rega ini nditaure izwi nezvechimwe chinhu vanhu vashoma vanotaura nezvazvo, uye icho chiri: Isu tinoda kutora paMauto Industrial Complex. [Vateereri vanofara uye vanofara.] Hatisi kuzoramba tichishandisa madhora mazana manomwe emadhora pagore pane vemauto [vateereri vemufaro]. Tinoda uye tinoda dziviriro yakasimba. Asi isu hatifanirwe kushandisa zvinopfuura nyika gumi dzinotevera dzakabatanidzwa. [Vateereri vanofara.]

MH: Mueni wangu nhasi ndiMate Duss, mukuru wezvekunze murairidzi wezvemitemo kuSenator Bernie Sanders Matt anoverengerwa kubatsira Senator Sanders kusimbisa danho rake rekune dzimwe nyika fungidziro uye kufunga pakati pemwaka wa 2016 na2020 mushandirapamwe, uye anga achibatikana mukumanikidza kurwisa hurumende yeNetanyahu muIsrael nenzvimbo dzakapambwa dzePalestine uye nehurumende yeSaudi Yemen pamusoro yavo yeutsinye bhomba yekukurudzira. Iye aimbova purezidhendi weState for Middle East Peace, anoshora zvakanyanya nezvemauto eUS yekune dzimwe nyika, uye anondibata kubva kumba kwake kuWashington, DC.

Mat, yekutenda nekuuya paDiscon Design.

MD: Ndinofara kuva pano. Kutenda, Mehdi.

MH: Iwe unofunga here kuti avhareji yevhoti yeAmerica inoziva nezve chokwadi chekuti kushandisa kwekudzivirira kunotora hafu yemari yese yekushandisa mari muUnited States, iyo Pentagon inoshandisa zvakanyanya kuzvidzivirira kupfuura nyika gumi dzinotevera dziri mubatanidzwa.

MD: Ndingazoti kwete, ivo havazive nezve idzovo nhanho. Ndinofunga vanoziva nezvenyaya yekuti tinoshandisa yakawanda, asi ivo - ndinofunga ivo havazivewo, uye ichi chimwe chinhu icho Senator Sanders vakaita basa rakawanda pamusoro pemakore irikujekesa zvatingagone kuve kushandisa, iwe unoziva, chidimbu chemari iyoyo yekuwanira vanhu vekuAmerican, ingave iri yekugara, yehutano, mabasa -

MH: Ehe.

MD: - dzidzo.

Uye ini ndinofunga ndiyo hurukuro iye nevamwe vazhinji vanofambira mberi vanoda kuve izvozvi, kunyanya, sezvatinoona, munoziva, zvakajeka mumwedzi mishoma yapfuura, mukutarisana nedenda iri, maitiro edu echengetedzo mumakumi emakore apfuura ndangove dzakawanda nzvimbo dzisina kunaka.

MH: Dzimwe nguva ndinofunga kuti maAmerican angabhadhara zvakanyanya kana Dhipatimendi reDziviriro rakadzokera kuzove Dhipatimendi reHondo, sezvo zvaizivikanwa kusvika 1947 uye taive nemunyori wehondo panzvimbo yemunyori wezvekudzivirira.

MD: Kwete, ndinofunga kuti pane chimwe chinhu icho. Ndinoreva, munoziva, kudzivirira ndiko, pachena, hongu, ndiani asingade kuzvidzivirira? Tinofanira kuzvidzivirira pachedu kana tichida; Hondo izita rakanyanya kurwisa.

Asi kunyanya pamakumi emakore apfuura neHondo yePasi rose paNjodzi, iyo bhajeti yekuwedzera yekudzivirira, uye, nekuwedzera kune izvozvo, mabasa ekunze epamberi emergency ayo anozivikanwa, unoziva, gore rinoenderera mberi gore rinohwina iro rakagadziriswa kuti ribvumire Dhipatimendi reDziviriro mu iyo US yekuita chaiko kupindira kwemauto ichibva pamabhuku, tobva tangoisa izvi kumusana kwevana vedu nevazukuru kuti tibhadhare.

MH: Yakawanda sei yeAmerican yekune dzimwe nyika hurongwa, Matt, inotyairwa nemauto ehumwe mutemo? Uye yakawanda sei iyo iyo mauto anofambiswa neusarura, pakati pezvimwe zvinhu?

MD: Zvakanaka, ndinofunga pane zvikamu zviviri zvemubvunzo. Dzese dzakakosha zvakanyanya.

Ini ndinofunga, munoziva, kudzokera ku, pamwe Mutungamiriri Eisenhower, paakange achisiya chigaro, achiyambira zvakajeka pamusoro pekuuya kwe "Mauto Industrial Complex," izwi raakanyora. Uye pfungwa yakajairika yaive, sezvawaona idzi dzekudzivirira kontrakiti dzichiwedzera kuve nesimba uye dzakasimba, uye yerudzi urwu, iwe unoziva, nhepfenyuro dzemisangano inokura dzakatenderedza America, iwe unoziva, kukura basa renyika, kuti zvido izvi zvinouya kuzopa njodzi pamusoro Kugadzirwa kweUS yekune dzimwe nyika danho uye yekudzivirira US, uye ini ndinga taura kuti zvakazoitika, iwe unoziva, mukunyanyisa uye nenzira ine ngozi kupfuura ini pandinofunga kuti kunyange Eisenhower pachake akatya.

MH: Ehe.

MD: Iwe unoziva, chidimbu chechipiri icho - teerera, America yakavambwa, iwe unoziva, muchidimbu, iwe unoziva, pane zano rehukuru hukuru. Iyi inyika yakavambwa, nehuranda - iyo yaive yakavakirwa kumashure kwevaranda vevanhu veAfrica. Takaita nedambudziko iri kwenguva yakareba; tichiri kubata nazvo.

Takafambira mberi, pasina mubvunzo: iyo Civil rights Moenda, iyo kodzero yekuvhota, takaita mabudiriro. Asi chokwadi chechinhu ndechekuti, izvi zvakadzika midzi mutsika dzeAmerica, zvematongerwo enyika dzeAmerica, uye saka zvine musoro kuti zvionekwe mune yedu yekune dzimwe nyika muhurongwa hwekudzivirira.

Iwe unoziva, wataura izvozvo, zvakakoshawo kuziva kuti mauto eU.S. ndeimwe yakabudirira uye yekutanga mienzaniso yekubatanidzwa. Asi zvakadaro, kuti upindure mubvunzo wako, ndinofunga isu tinoona rusaruro rwakawanda rwunoratidzwa mumutemo wekunze weAmerica uye izvi zvangova pachena neHondo Yepasi Pse pamusoro pehushusho, iyo inopfurwa nezvipomerwa zveMuslim, nezve maArabu, iwe ziva, kutya kutyaira pamusoro pe - chero, chinokambaira Sharia, iwe unogona kumhanyisa pasi zvinyorwa, iwe unoziva, izvi, iwe unoziva, idzi mhando dzekuparadzira dzinoti zvakanaka kwazvo.

Uye ini ndinofunga ichi ichi chimwe chinhu icho Senator Sanders akataurawo nezve zvakawanda. Kana ukadzokera kwairi, chidimbu chaakanyora mune zvekunze gore rakapfuura, kwaakataura nezvekuguma kwehondo, kwete kungopedza izvi zvihombe zvemauto zvatakaitwa mumakumi emakore apfuura, asi kunzwisisa nzira kuti iyo, munoziva, Hondo yePasi rose yeChisimba, ichichengeta United States pahondo yenyika dzese, yaodza hutongi hwedu; zvakakonzera zvematongerwo enyika, zvekunyanya kukara nekusarongeka, yenzvimbo dzisina vanhu, uye yaburitsa zvatinoona mumigwagwa yedu, yakaburitsa Donald Trump.

MH: Hongu.

MD: Iwe unoziva, saka kunzwisisa kuti izvi ndizvo, iye, Donald Trump chigadzirwa cheizvi maitiro, haasi iye chikonzero chavo.

MH: Uye kungova pachena, kune vedu vateereri, makataura Senator Sanders. Nhengo yeImba, anga ari mutungamiriri anopikisa hondo muIraq muna 2003. Asi akavhotera kupinda kweAfghanistan muna 2001 -

MD: Hongu.

MH: - iyo ichinesu, hondo yeAfghan haisati yapera, vanhu vazhinji vakarasikirwa nehupenyu ikoko, voramba vachirasikirwa nehupenyu hwavo ikoko, neropa rakawanda nepfuma, sekutaura kwazvinoenda, vakarasikirwa ipapo. Ndinofunga anozvidemba kuti vhoti manje, ndiri kutaura chokwadi here?

MD: Zvakanaka, akataura kuti mune imwe yematangi ekutanga, kwaanoti ikozvino, achitarisa kumashure -

MH: Ehe, akarumbidza Barbara Lee nekuva iye chete vhoti inopesana.

MD: Ndizvozvo. Uye yakakodzera kurumbidzwa. Aive izwi roga raive nekufanoona kwekuziva [izvozvo] nekupa Bush manejari cheki isina chekuita kuti iite hondo isingaperi, kuti takanga tichifambira chaiko munharaunda isina kubatwa uye ine njodzi. Uye ainyatso kutaura nezvazvo; Senator Sanders vaziva izvozvo. Ini ndinofunga, zvakanyanya uye zvakanyanya, vanhu vava kuziva izvozvo.

Iwe unogona kuti, panguva ino, mushure me9 / 11, ndinofunga kwaive, iwe unoziva, zvirokwazvo kumwe kururamisirwa, kwekutama kunopesana neAl Qaeda, asi kugadzira iyi yakavhurika tsananguro yedudziro ye, iwe unoziva, Hondo paNjodzi, uye izvi -

MH: Ehe.

MD: - mvumo yaive isingaperi uye inotsanangudza hakuna mhedzisiro chaiyo yekuti mvumo painopera, zvakaipira nyika yedu uye nenharaunda zhinji pasi rese.

MH: Ehe, pakanga pane ino nguva ini ini ndinorangarira apo Afghanistan yaive hondo yakanaka uye Iraq yaive yakaipa yakaipa.

MD: Rudyi.

MH: Uye ndinofunga isu iye zvino zvishoma nezvishoma tinoziva, makore 19 gare gare, kuti ivo vese vaive vakaipa hondo munzira dzavo. Mukufunga kwako, Matt, uye wanga uchifukidza uye uchishandisa zvinhu izvi mutaundi kwenguva pfupi ikozvino, ndiani kana chii chiri kunyanya kupomerwa mhosva yekuita mauto kwekunze kwenyika yeAmerica? Icho chi haw haw ideology? Vezvematongerwo enyika vari kungoedza kutaridzika vakaomarara? Icho chiri kukumbira nevemauto mauto maDyirenzi Complex zvawataura iwe, nekwaRuboshwe naMartin naRaytheon's wepasi rino?

MD: Zvakanaka, ndinofunga kuti zvese zviri pamusoro. Ndinoreva, chimwe nechimwe chezvinhu izvozvo chinotamba chikamu chazvo. Ini ndinoreva, chokwadi, munoziva, takataura kare nezveMasoja Maindasitiri eVhengi, munoziva, atinogona kuwedzera isu, munoziva, anosanganisira iwo Mauto Industrial-Funga Tank Complex; akawanda eaya matangi ekufunga anotsigirwa ingave nevadziviriri vezvekudzivirira, nemakambani makuru emarudzi mazhinji -

MH: Ehe.

MD: - kana, mune zvimwe zviitiko, na, iwe unoziva, iwe unoziva, nyika dzekunze dzinoda kutichengeta tichiita mudunhu ravo uye tichivabatirira basa ravo. Saka ndicho chikamu chechinetso.

Ini ndinofunga pane chokwadi chezvematongerwo enyika, munoziva, zvakapusa, vezvematongerwo enyika vanotya nemanama kutaridza kushaya simba pane chengetedzo kana kushaya simba pamusoro pekutya. Uye iwe zvechokwadi une rudzi urwu rwe media media, ino kurudyi mapapiro enhau, iyo yakagadzirirwa kushambadzira kuti, kugara uchiita, iwe unoziva, vezvematongerwo enyika, iwe unoziva, pane avo, pane avo, pazvitsitsinho zvavo, vanotya mhando ipa chero mhando yemamwe maitiro, mashoma ehondo.

Asi ini ndinofunga iwe unawo, uye ndinofunga pakanga paine zvakati wandei, zvakanaka kwazvo zvawakanyora zvichangoburwa pane iyi: imwe yakanyorwa naJeremy Shapiro, vhiki ino muThe Boston Ongorora, uye imwe yaive naEmma Ashford, anobva kuCato Institute , mune Zvekunze masvondo mashoma apfuura, tichibata nenyaya iyi, unoziva, inonzi inonzi blob. Ben Rhodes yakatanga izwi iri, asi izere izwi rinoti, iwe unoziva, huchenjeri hwakajairika nezveAmerican, unoziva, nesimba repasirese basa. Uye ini ndinofunga izvo zvidimbu zviviri zvinoita basa rakanaka rekuisa kunze, munoziva, urwu rudzi rwekuzvisimbisa-pfungwa dzinogadzira zvimwe zvinokurudzira uye mubairo kune vanhu vanoita rudzi rwekuzvara pfungwa iyi vasina kumbonyanya kupokana nepfungwa yekutanga iyo United. Nyika dzinoda kuvapo pasirese; tinofanirwa kuve nemauto akamiswa pasi rese, kana zvisizvo nyika inowira mumhirizhonga.

MH: Uye iyo nharo yeBipartisan, hongu.

MD: Ndizvozvo chaizvo.

MH: Sezvo Hondo paNjodzi yaive bipartisan, zvakare. Ukaona maherikoputa emauto achivhiringidza varatidziri - sezvavanoita munzvimbo dzehondo - dzakaderera-dzichibhururuka pamusoro pevanoratidzira muWashington, DC, kuyedza uye kuvaparadzira sekurairwa kwevakuru vepamusoro paPentagon. Haasi iyo chete Hondo yeTerror inouya kumba, sevamwe vedu yambiro zvaizoitika zvisingaite?

MD: Kwete, ndinofunga kuti ndizvo chaizvo. Ini ndinoreva, kuti-izvo - kuti - tanga tichiona izvi kwenguva pfupi, takaona zvirongwa izvi izvo, iwe unoziva, watove, tashandisa mari yakawanda muchiuto, mauto ane zvese izvi zvishandiso, vanobva vaendesa kune aya madhipatimendi emapurisa, madhipatimendi emapurisa anozvida, ivo vari kuda kuishandisa.

Isu tinoona mapurisa akapfeka izvozvi, munoziva, vakapfeka zvipfeko zvehondo chete, sekunge vari kufamba nemigwagwa, munoziva, Fallujah. Kwete kutaura kuti tinoda ivo vari kufamba nemigwagwa yeFallujah. Asi hongu, zvizere - tinoona iyi Hondo paTerror kuuya kumba, isu takaona, munoziva, iyo helikoputa ichizunza vairatidzira kubva [ye] Lafayette Square.

Uye, iwe unoziva, teerera, mapurisa eAmerica akave nematambudziko kwenguva yakareba kwazvo. Ini ndinoreva, matambudziko atiri kuona achipfuura, iwe unoziva, kuratidzira kuri mukumiswa kwekuuraya kwaGeorge Floyd, aya matambudziko akaiswa pasi uye unodzokera shure, iwe unoziva, makumi emakore, kana asiri mazana emakore. Asi ini ndinofunga nzira iyo Hondo paNhamo yakataura izvi, zvanyatso kuiunza kuchikamu chitsva uye chine ngozi zvakanyanya, uye ndinofunga ava vanoita zvekuratidzira -

MH: Ehe, zvinova

MD: -Akakodzera huwandu hwakakura hwechikwereti chekutarisa nyaya idzi.

MH: Uye, ndosaka ndanga ndichida kuratidzira pane uyu musoro nhasi, uye wobva waenderera mberi, nekuti haugone kungotaura nezvemapurisa muhomwe.

MD: Ehe. Rudyi.

MH: Makona ehondo akakosha kuti unzwisise izvi.

Ndinoreva, takave nemishumo yevarwi pakamira mumavhiki apfuura apfuura vakagadzirira kupindira varatidziri, kwete chete nemabayonets, asi nemamom live. Icho chisiri sei nyaya hombe, ndinoshamisika, chinyadzo chikuru? Hazvifanire here kuti kufarirwa kwaSenator Sanders nevamwe vakuru veDemocrats mukongiresi kuve kwekuda kuti kunzwe nyaya pane izvi? Kunyangwe mauto eAmerica aizoenda kunopisa pamusoro pevagari vekuAmerica nezviputi zvinorarama?

MD: Kwete, ini, ndinofunga vanofanirwa. Ini ndinofunga ndinoreva, kana isu tichida kutaura nezvenzira iyo Congress isiri kupindura panguva ino nenzira iyo inofanira, ndinoreva, wedzera izvi kurondedzero yezvinhu.

MH: Ehe.

MD: Asi ini ndinofunga isu takaona, ndinofunga kusimbisa kwakakosha kudzoka pane izvi zvachose mabhonasi op-ed iro Tom Cotton rakaburitswa muNew York Times, ndinofunga, kune chaizvo -

MH: "Tumira MuTroops."

MD: "Tumira MuTroops" - iyo nharo inoshanda yekuti vangave vakadhindisa izvo mukutanga. Maonero angu ndeekuti New York Times haifanire kupa kwayo kusarudzika kune ayo marudzi emifungo; kana iwe uchida kuziva zvinofungwa naTom Cotton, pane nzvimbo zhinji dzaanogona kuenda kundoburitsa izvo. Haisi chakavanzika.

Asi ini ndinofunga mhinduro kune izvo, kuti anzwisise zvaari kutaura chaizvo, kushandisa mauto eUS kurwisa vagari vekuAmerica mumigwagwa yeAmerica, ini ndinofunga unonzwisisa kuti izvi, nharo idzi dzese dzave kure kusvika panjanji.

MH: Ini ndinongofungidzira, iyi nzira yekuedza uye kutora maAmerican, vanhuwo zvavo vekuAmerica, kutora mauto ehumwe mutemo, hondo dzisingaperi, kupenga kwePentagon zvakanyanya, nekuzvisunga kune zviri kuitika ikozvino, mumigwagwa yavo?

Matt, ndanga ndichibvunza Jamaal Bowman rimwe zuva ari kumhanyisa mhirizhonga kupokana naanotungamira Eliot Engel, uyo anove Sachigaro weImba Kunze Kwedare Komiti, Ndinoziva iye akagoneswa nemukuru wako, naSenator Sanders, pakati pevamwe. Uye ini naye taitaura pamusoro pekuti zvakaoma sei kutora vavhoti kuti vatore nyaya dzezvekunze - hondo dzekunze, kunyangwe - zvakanyanya. Vakawanda vekuAmerican, zvinonzwisisika, vanotarisisa kunetseka kwemumba. Munoita sei kuti vatore mutemo wekunze?

MD: [Kuseka.] Iwe unoziva, semumwe munhu akashanda mune rekunze marinopfuura gumi emakore, izvo - izvo zvinonetsa.

Uye ini ndinonzwisisa. Icho chokwadi ndechekuti, vanhu vazhinji vari - ivo vane hanya nenyaya dzirinokurumidza kwavari. Izvo zvine musoro. Saka hongu, kutsvaga nzira dzekutaura nezveparamende yekune dzimwe nyika nenzira inonyatso taura, iwe unoziva, vanhu kwavari, iwe unoziva, zvakakosha. Asi panguva imwe chete, ini ndichibvumirana newe kuti isu tinofanira kuedza uye kushandisa nguva ino uye nekunzwisisa nzira iyo Hondo yedu paHotera ikozvino kuuya kumba kwatiri mumigwagwa yedu, isuwo hatidi kutsausa kubva, iwe ziva, matambudziko akadzika zvakanyanya-echena ehukuru hukuru uye rusaruraganda ruri kuratidzwa uye, iwe unoziva, zviri kutyaira mhirizhonga iyi.

MH: Hachisi chinetso here, zvinonzwika, kuti kune vakawanda vavhoti mvumo yekune dzimwe nyika chinhu chiri kure uye kwete nekukurumidza, sezvaunotaura; Kwevazhinji vematongerwo enyika vakasarudzwa, asi, yekunze nekudzivirira mutemo inoonekwa kunyanya kuburikidza nepamba prism, muchimiro, munoziva, mabasa, zvibvumirano zvekudzivirira, zvinetswa zvehupfumi mudzimba dzadzo?

Kunyangwe mukuru wako, Bernie Sanders, haana kudzivirirwa kubva kune izvozvo zvakare. Iye akatsoropodzwa nevamwe kuruboshwe nekuda kwekutsigira, mumakore, mauto maindasitiri ekudyara muVermont nekuda kwemabasa. Akadzoserwa kutambira Lockheed Martin anopikisa F-35 Fighter Jets, ndinofunga, iyo inodarika $ 1 trillion, uye vaviri vacho vanoitirwa muVermont, uye akashoropodzwa nezvasara muVermont nazvo.

Ndiro dambudziko rekutumira meseji, handizvo here? Kune wezvematongerwo enyika akasarudzwa anoda kuenda kunopesana nebhajheji rePentagon, asi zvakare ane chekuita nebasa uye kushushikana nehupfumi mudunhu ravo?

MD: Zvakanaka, ndinofunga nzira isu, munoziva, kuti akataura izvi uye ini ndinofunga semafungiro atinofunga nezvazvo akafanana: Teerera, tinoda kudzivirira. Mabasa akakosha, asi izvo - izvo handiyo iyo nyaya yese. Ndinoreva, pane, bhajeti iri pamusoro pekutanga.

Saka isu tinoda dziviriro? Tinogona here kuchengetedza vanhu vedu vakachengeteka nemari shoma yatiri kushandisa izvozvi? Chaizvoizvo, tinogona. Hatifanire kushandisa mari yakawanda kupfuura inotevera nyika gumi nembiri kana gumi nembiri munyika dzakabatanidzwa, vazhinji vacho vakaita sevakabatana navo, kuitira kuchengetedza kuchengetedzwa uye kubudirira kwevanhu veAmerica.

MH: Hongu.

MD: Saka ini ndinofunga iwo mubvunzo wekuti chii chatiri kuisa pokutanga, ndeapi edu echokwadi marongero ekushandiswa kwemauto, uye isu tiri kuisa pamberi muchiuto kupfuura zvataifanira kunge tiri? Uye Senator Sanders anotenda zvakajeka kuti tanga tiri.

MH: Anayo. Uye anga akajeka pane izvozvo, kunyange vazhinji vangapikisa F-35 Fighter Jet muenzaniso wekuparadza zvachose mari nePentagon.

Akave akajeka kwazvo pane bhajeti rezvinhu zvese. Wataura kushandisa mari yakawanda kupfuura inotevera 10, 11, 12 nyika. Ndinoreva, kuwedzera kwekushandisa muna 2018, semuenzaniso, kuwedzera iko pachako, ndinotenda, yaive yakakura kupfuura yeRussia bhajeti rekudzivirira - kungowedzera.

MD: Rudyi. Rudyi.

MH: Saka nei vasingazowedzere maDemocrat, Matt, sei vasinga vhote vachipokana izvi zvinogara zvichikurisa, zvisina kukodzera kuwedzera kubhajari yekudzivirira? Nei ivo, nei vazhinji vavo vachiwanzoenda pamwe chete nazvo?

MD: Zvakanaka, ndinofunga ndeye zvimwe zvezvikonzero zvekuti, iwe unoziva, takakurukura nezvazvo, ndinofunga pane chekunetseka nezvekupenda kunge wakapfava mukudzivirira. Pane mhando yakakura yekamuri iriko kunze uko iripo chaiyo kunonyudza vezvematongerwo enyika neshoko iro, kana - kana vachionekwa sevasiri kutsigira zvido, munoziva, vanoita basa rekudzivirira kana vemauto.

Uye zvakare, pane zvimwe zvinhu zvinonzwisisika, zvechokwadi zvine chekuita nemabasa, nekuita chokwadi chekuti, iwe unoziva, vemauto eAmerica vanochengetwa. Asi hongu, ndinoreva, ndanga - chave chiri- nguva refu kunetsa. Icho chave chimwe chinhu Senator Sanders anga arimo kwenguva yakareba, achiridza alarm pane izvi uye achiedza kuti vanhu vazhinji vaungane yekuvhota vachipesana nemabhajeti ekudzivirira aya akakura. Asi iye anonzwa kuti vamwe vava kubhadhara zvakanyanya kutarisisa.

MH: Zvakanyanya kushamisika kuona maDemocrat, kune rumwe rutivi, lambast Trump somunyori, seudzvanyiriri mukumirira, somunhu ari mumakonzo naPutin, uye wozomupa mari yakawanda neyemauto, yakawanda uye yakawanda mari kutanga. hondo itsva. Izvo zvinongo fadza kuona izvo zvichiitika, izvo mhando yekuziva kusanzwisisika.

Just pane bhajeti pachayo, chii chingave chiri nhamba yakanaka kune yekudzivirira kwe US ​​bhajeti. Parizvino, sezvatakakurukura, zvakawanda, zviri kupfuura nyika gumi dzinotevera dzakabatanidzwa. Inenge makumi mana muzana muzana yemashandisirwo epasi ekudzivirira. Chii chingave chiri chakakodzera nhamba? Nekuti, sekureva kwako, Senator Sanders haisi pacifist. Iye anotenda mukudzivirira kwakasimba, anotenda muchiuto. Ndeupi akakodzera kukura kwemauto akasimba eUS, mumaonero ako, mumaonero ake?

MD: Zvakanaka, pari zvino ari kushanda pakugadzirisa mutemo weNational Defense Authorization Act, iri kuita hurukuro kuti pari zvino gadziridzo ingacheke, kutanga, bhajeti rekudzivirira negumi muzana.

Saka izvo, izvo zvingangove zviuru mazana manomwe emadhora kubva kunze, unoziva, zviuru mazana manomwe emadhora, kana kuti pamwe, zviuru mazana manomwe emadhora, zvemari inoita mabhiriyoni mazana manomwe nemakumi manomwe emadhora, iyo iri huru. Asi senzira yekutanga kutaura, ticha tora gumi muzana, tobva tazoisa mari iyoyo, tichagadzira chirongwa chechirongwa chekutsigira dzidzo, mabasa, dzimba, munharaunda. izvo zvine-izvo zvine chikamu chikuru chevanhu vanogara muhurombo. Uye iko kutanga, asi zvakare iri nzira yekutaura ino ndipo patinofanira kunge tichikoshesa. Iyi ndiyo nharaunda dzinoda mari iyi.

MH: Zvakanaka, ndinofara kuti ari kuita izvozvo. Uye ndinovimba tinoita imwe nzira.

Saka akanaka pakutora mabhajeti eemauto, asi Bernie anoita senge achinyanya kuda mari yemapurisa. Akabuda nesimba kwazvo kupesana nekuenda kunobvisa mapurisa. Uye paakataura New Yorker nguva pfupi yapfuura kuti, hongu, anoda, "kutsanangura zvinoitwa nemapurisa," chinova chinhu chakanaka, anoita kunge asingade kudzikamisa mabhajeti emapurisa munzira chero ipi zvayo ine musoro.

MD: Ehe, ndinofunga nzira yaasvikira iyi kutaura kuti tinoda chaizvo kutsanangura basa remapurisa munharaunda medu. Zvirokwazvo iye akatsigira kwakanyanya kuratidzira; anoona kuti vanoratidzira uye varatidziri mumugwagwa vakaita basa rakakosha kutarisisa nyika zvakanyanya, dambudziko rakanyanya remhirizhonga yemapurisa nemhirizhonga yemhirizhonga uye hukuru hwakakura nyika yedu ichiri kurwa nayo.

Saka akaisa zvakatevedzana mazano ekuti ashandure mashandisiro atinoita mapurisa munharaunda mavo: zvakanyanya kutaridzika kwemauto mukati, munoziva, kuziva nekupa mubayiro nharaunda uye kudzorera mari, chaizvo, mapurisa emapurisa airatidza kuve nedambudziko chairo nekushusha . Saka iye asati ambundira chinangwa chose chekudzosera mari kumapurisa, ini ndinofunga kuti akazviisa, akaburitsa imwe yeakakura uye akashinga mazano ekuti angatsanangura sei zvinoitwa nemapurisa.

MH: Makataura vatungamiriri. Tave nemwedzi mishoma kubva pasarudzo yemutungamiri wenyika. Musarudzo weDemocratic akasarudzwa naBernie Sanders, iye Bernie Sanders anodana shamwari yake, Joe Biden, ndiye mumwe wevatungamiriri veDemocratic Party vanozivikanwa uye refu-akamira. Wataura nezve blob kare; Ini ndinofunga kuti Joe Biden kadhi rinotakura nhengo ye blob. Iwe unotenda here kuti tinozoona chero shanduko kubva kuna Mutungamiriri Bhizinesi, kana zvasvika pamisangano, Pentagon-yekutanga mutemo wekunze kana zvasvika pakuwandisa kwemasoja eUS pasi rose?

MD: Zvakanaka, ini ndinofunga takaona imwe kufamba kubva kuBiten.

Ndinoreva, kutanga kwezvose, sezvaunotaura, hongu. Ini ndinoreva, Biden, iwe unoziva, isu tinoziva maonero ake pane yekune dzimwe nyika mutemo kudzokera kumashure kwemakumi emakore. Akatsigira Hondo yeIraq; Senator Sanders vaitsoropodza izvo. Asi ini ndinofunga zvakakosha kuona kuti pakanga paine zvimwe zviitiko, kunyanya panguva yehutongi hwaObama, uko Bhiten yaive izwi rekuzvidzora, tingave tiri kutaura nezvekurwiswa kweAfghanistan pakutanga kwehutungamiriri hwaObama, kupindira kweLibya - yakashandurwa kuita hurumende-yekushandura shanduko, iyo yakagadzira dambudziko rakakura muLibya, iyo ichiri kukanganisa dunhu.

Saka hongu, ndinofunga - teerera, ini handisi - handisi kuzozvitapira. Ini ndinofunga kuti Bhiden yakawanda kupfuura inoenderera mberi yakawanda yavanoda kuona. Asi iyewo mumwe munhu wandinofunga kuti akabatanidzwa nehurukuro iyi iri kuitika mubato, uye zvakanyanya, munyika. Chikwata chake chakasainira pachivande uye pachena kuti ivo vari kuda kutaura nemazwi ari kufambira mberi nezvehurongwa hwekunze. Uye saka, iwe unoziva, Senator Sanders -

MH: Vanovhura kwauri here?

MD: Tataura, ehe. Tinotaura zvakanaka nguva zhinji. Uye ndinozvifarira.

Saka zvekare, ndinoda kuona mamwe mafambiro pane mamwe eaya marongero. Ini ndinofunga isu tinofanira kuziva kuti Biden yatamira kupi. Ini ndinofunga, semuenzaniso, kuzvipira pachikamu cheBiden - uye pane ese evari kukwikwidza, nenzira - kudzokorora Chibvumirano cheIran Nuclear uye kuwona kukurukurirana kukurukurirana neIran senzira yekurodza kusawirirana mudunhu, panzvimbo iyoyo yekuita zviri kuitwa naTrump, irikungodzosera Saudis kune vakavakirwa muhondo iyi yekunetsana neIran. Ndinofunga isu tinofanirwa kuona kuti sezvakanaka chaizvo. Asi isu tinofanirwa kuramba tichishanda uye kuramba tichimanikidza.

MH: Pakave neshanduko kubva kuBiden paSaudi Arabia. Ndofunga iye akamudaidza pariah mune imwe yekupokana.

MD: Rudyi. Rudyi.

MH: Uye mazhinji maDemocrat akatamira kuSaudi Arabia. Uye ini ndinofunga vanhu vakaita saBernie Sanders, mukuru wako, naChris Murphy, senator anobva kuCloudicut, vakaita basa rakasimba kutamisa maDemocrats akasarudzwa paSaudi Arabia - kure neSaudi Arabia - chinova chinhu chakanaka.

Biden webhusaiti yake yemushandirapamwe anoti "gumisa zvehondo zvachose" uye anotaurawo nezvekuunza ruzhinji rwemauto kumba, izvo zvinhu zvakanaka mukuona kwangu. Asi anotiwo pawebhusaiti yake: “Tine mauto akasimba kwazvo munyika - uye semutungamiri wenyika, Biden anozoona kuti zvinoramba zvakadaro. Kutungamirwa kweBiten kuchaita kuti mari idzi dziwane mari yekushandisa mauto edu kuzosangana nematambudziko ezana zana anotevera, kwete ekupedzisira. "

Hazvinzwika seMutungamiri Bhiten chaizvo kuti achaita chero chinhu pamusoro peichi kujekesa US yekudzivirira bhajeti? Sezvawambotaura, Bernie Sanders anodaidza gumi muzana yekucheka, io izvo rudzi rwechinhu izvo Bhitini richava shure? Ini ndinoona zvakaoma kutenda.

MD: Zvakanaka, handizive. Asi ini ndinofunga mhinduro chete ndeyekuenderera mberi nekuvamanikidza pazviri - kutaura navo, kuvapa mazano pane izvi. Asi zvekare, apo Bhiteni painotaura nezvezvinetso zvemuzana ramakore rino, ndidzo nharo dzatinofanira kuve madziri. Ndeapi matambudziko iwayo uye chii chinodiwa neUnited States kubatsira kusimudzira kuchengetedzwa pamwe nekubudirira kwevanhu veAmerica apo tinofamba? mune ino nyowani?

Ndinoreva, tiri munguva pfupi, uye ndinofunga izvi zvinokurudzira chaizvo. Ndiri kureva, kekutanga muhupenyu hwangu hwese, ndinofunga, iro simba rakawanda - iro rakawanda simba ratiri kuona pamibvunzo nezveAmerican yekune dzimwe nyika, uye kuchengetedzwa kwenyika yeAmerica, iri kuuya kubva kuruboshwe.

Isu tinoona ruzhinji rwevanhu vatsva uye manzwi ari kupokana nedzimwe pfungwa idzi, achiti: Teerera, tinofanirwa kufunga zvakadzama nzira yatino tarisa kuti isu tigare yakachengeteka yedu pachedu, uye ndinofunga denda rakanyatso nyora izvo mune nzira yakakosha, sezvandataura, kuratidza kuti vese, iwe unoziva, mazana emamiriyoni emadhora emadhora atiri kushandisa pane izvi, izvi zvombo, hazvina kuchengetedza vanhu veAmerica kuchengeteka kubva kuutachiona uhu. Uye izvo zvinoda kuyananisika kwekuenzanisa kwezvedu zvatiri nekuchengetedza kwedu pachedu.

MH: Saka pane icho chinyorwa, Matt, mubvunzo wekupedzisira. Paive neyekare yeWomen's International League yeRunyararo neRusununguko bumper sticker, kumashure muCold War kumashure mumazuva vasati vaenda kuhutachiona, pamberi memes, asi yaive yakakurumbira tsvimbo.

Uye yakaverenga uye ini ndoteedzera, "richava zuva rakanaka apo zvikoro zvedu zvichawana mari yese yavanoda uye nevemhepo vanofanirwa kutengesa bhaketi kuti vatenge bhomba."

MD: [Kuseka.] Ehe.

MH: Tiri pedyo here nezuva iro? Iwe unofunga here - unofunga kuti tichaona zuva rakadaro munguva dzatinorarama here?

MD: Pamwe kwete kutengeswa kwekubheka, kunyangwe ini ndaizoda kuona zvimwe zvacho zvavaizogadzira. Zvimwe zvinogona kunge zvinonaka kwazvo.

MH: [Kuseka.]

MD: Asi kwete, asi ini ndinofunga kuti zvakajairika - mafungiro akadaro akakosha. Iyo inyaya yemanzwiro, inotaura pamusoro pekutanga: Tiri kuisa mari yakaringana mudzidzo yevana vedu? Isu tiri kudyara zvakakwana muhutano hwehutano, dzimba, mumabasa? Tiri kuita chokwadi here chekuti maAmerican haapinde mukubhuroka kana, kana zvarohwa, munoziva, zvekurapwa zvisingafanoonekwe senge kenza kana zvimwe zvinhu zvakadaro?

Saka zvekare, iyi nharo yakakosha chaizvo yatiri kuve nayo nezvezvinhu zvatiri chaizvo zvekutanga? Tiri kutora hanya nevanhu vedu here, kunyangwe sezvatinoona kune izvo chaizvo zvinetso nezve chengetedzo?

MH: Mat, isu tichafanirwa kuchisiyako. Kutenda zvikuru nekujoina ini paDeconstructed.

MD: Kunaka kuva pano. Kutenda, Mehdi.

MH: Aive Matt Duss, mukuru wezvekunze murairidzi wezvemitemo kuna Bernie Sanders, achitaura nezve bhajeti rePentagon uye kukosha kwekudzora zvose zviri zviviri zvehondo uye mari yehondo dzisingaperi. Uye tarisa, kana iwe ukatsigira kubhadhara mari kumapurisa, iwe unofanirwa chaizvo kutsigira kubhadhara mari muchiuto. Vaviri vacho vanobatana.

[Musical pindirana.]

MH: Ndiyo show yedu! Yakagadziriswa chigadzirwa Chekutanga Tarisa Media uye Iyo Intercept. Mugadziri wedu ndiZach Mudiki. Iyo show yakasanganiswa naBryan Pugh. Nziyo yedu yemimhanzi yakanyorwa naBart Warshaw. Betsy Reed ndiye Iyo Intercept mupepeti mukuru.

Uye ini ndiMehdi Hasan. Unogona kunditevera pa Twitter @mehdirhasan. Kana usati watoita, ndokumbirawo unyore ku show kuti ugone kuinzwa vhiki yega yega. Enda kuneyeintercept.com/deconstructured kuti unyore kubva podcast yako yesarudzo: iPhone, Android, chero. Kana iwe wakanyoreswa kare, tapota usiye isu chiyero kana kuongorora - iyo inobatsira vanhu kuwana show. Uye kana iwe uchida kutipa mhinduro, titumire email paPodcasts@theintercept.com. Thanks zvikuru!

Tokuona svondo rinouya.