Mkangano ukupitilirabe pakati pa United States ndi North Korea, pambuyo poti Mlembi wa Zachitetezo ku US a James Mattis atayenda sabata yatha ku Asia komanso ulendo wamasiku 12 wa Trump kumapeto kwa sabata ino. Mattis adagogomezera chigamulo chaukazembe pakati pa mayiko awiriwa, koma adachenjeza kuti US sidzalandira zida zanyukiliya ku North Korea. Ma Democrats akukankhira malamulo omwe angalepheretse Purezidenti Trump kuti ayambe kuukira North Korea. Timalankhula ndi Christine Ahn, woyambitsa komanso wamkulu wa Women Cross DMZ, gulu lapadziko lonse la amayi omwe akukonzekera kuthetsa nkhondo ya ku Korea.
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AMY GOODMAN: izi ndi Demokarase Tsopano!, democracynow.org, Lipoti la Nkhondo ndi Mtendere. Ndine Amy Goodman, ndi Nermeen Shaikh.
NERMEEN SHAIKH: Tsopano tikutembenukira ku North Korea, komwe mikangano ikupitilirabe ndi United States. Paulendo wa sabata ku Asia, Mlembi wa Chitetezo a James Mattis adatsimikiza za mgwirizano wa mayiko awiriwa, koma adachenjeza kuti US sivomereza nyukiliya ya North Korea. Uyu ndi Mattis akuyankhula Loweruka pamsonkhano ndi mnzake waku South Korea, Song Young-moo, ku Seoul.
TIZIKHULUPIRIRA ZOLEMBA JAMES MATTI: Osalakwitsa: Kuukira kulikonse ku United States kapena ogwirizana athu kugonjetsedwe. Kugwiritsa ntchito kulikonse kwa zida za nyukiliya ndi Kumpoto kudzakumana ndi kuyankha kwakukulu kwankhondo, kogwira mtima komanso kopambana. ... Sindingathe kulingalira momwe United States ingavomereze North Korea ngati mphamvu ya nyukiliya.
NERMEEN SHAIKH: Mattis adafika ku South Korea Lachisanu paulendo wa masiku awiri wopita kudzikoli, asanapite kuderali sabata ino ndi a Donald Trump. Trump akuyembekezeka kukacheza ku China, Vietnam, Japan, Philippines ndi South Korea paulendo wa masiku 12. Akuluakulu a White House agawanika ngati Trump akuyenera kupita ku Demilitarized Zone pakati pa Kumpoto ndi Kumwera paulendowu, ndi nkhawa kuti ulendowu ukhoza kuonjezera chiopsezo cha nkhondo ya nyukiliya.
AMY GOODMAN: Kusamvana pakati pa North Korea ndi United States kwakhala kukukulirakulira pambuyo pa mayeso angapo a zida za nyukiliya ndi zida za Pyongyang komanso kuyankhulana kwakukulu pakati pa Trump ndi mtsogoleri waku North Korea Kim Jong-un. Trump yawopseza kuwononga North Korea, dziko la anthu 25 miliyoni. Trump adalemba pa tweet mwezi watha, "Ndangomva nduna yakunja yaku North Korea ikulankhula ku UN Ngati angafanane ndi Little Rocket Man, sakhalapo nthawi yayitali!" Titter ya a Trump idabwera pomwe Nduna Yachilendo yaku North Korea Ri Yong-ho adati a Trump anali pa "ntchito yodzipha". Ma Democrats akukankhira malamulo omwe angalepheretse Purezidenti Trump kuti ayambe kuukira North Korea.
Chabwino, pazowonjezera, taphatikizidwa ndi Christine Ahn, woyambitsa komanso director wamkulu wa Women Cross DMZ, gulu lapadziko lonse la amayi omwe akukonzekera kuthetsa nkhondo ya ku Korea. Akulankhula nafe kuchokera ku Hawaii.
Christine, zikomo pobwera nafe kachiwiri Demokarase Tsopano! Kodi mungalankhule za kutha kwa ulendowu wa Mattis ndi kukwera, kachiwiri, kwa mikangano ya US-North Korea ndi zomwe tingayembekezere pamene Purezidenti Trump akupita kuderali masiku angapo?
Christine AHN: Mmawa wabwino, Amy.
Zikuwoneka kuti mawu a Mattis, makamaka pa DMZ, kuti US sakufuna kupita kunkhondo ndi North Korea, anali ngati mawu preemptive pamaso-pamaso pa ulendo Lipenga ku Asia, makamaka ku South Korea, kumene South Koreas mantha Donald Lipenga kuposa Kim Jong-un. Ndipo, kwenikweni, zionetsero zazikulu zikukonzekera. Panali chikumbutso cha kusintha kwa makandulo kumapeto kwa sabata yapitayi, ndipo mabungwe oposa 220 adalengeza kuti adzachita ziwonetsero zazikulu kuyambira November 4th mpaka 7th m'dziko lonselo, kulengeza kuti palibe nkhondo, palibenso masewera ankhondo, kuyimitsa brinksmanship, yomwe. mwachiwonekere akuwopseza anthu ambiri ku South Korea komanso ambiri omwe adakali ndi mabanja ku North Korea. Chifukwa chake, ndikuganiza kuti, mukudziwa, inali njira yolimbikitsira anthu aku South Korea, chifukwa, mwachiwonekere, a Trump adzabwera kudzanena zodzutsa. Ndipo ine ndikuganiza icho chinali gawo la sitepe kuchita izo.
Zomwe sitimamva nthawi zambiri pamawayilesi, komabe, ndikuti US yatumiza zonyamula ndege zitatu zanyukiliya kuti zikaimitsidwe ku Peninsula ya Korea. Akhala akuchita masewera olimbana kwambiri ndi South Korea, kuphatikiza ma Navy SEALs omwe adachotsa Osama bin Laden. Amaphatikizanso kumenyedwa kwamutu. Ndipo kotero, mukudziwa, ndi chinthu chimodzi kunena, "Sitikufuna nkhondo ndi North Korea," ndipo chinanso kukhala kuyala maziko ake. Ndipo si zochita zankhondo zokopa zomwe zikuchitika, koma ziwopsezo. Ndikutanthauza, tikupitiliza kumva ziwopsezo kuchokera ku nduna zonse za Trump. Mike Pompeo, pa CIA Director, adatero ku Defense Forum Foundation sabata yatha kuti ziwembu zopha a Kim Jong-un zinali kuchitika. HR McMaster wanena, mukudziwa, kuvomereza ndi kuletsa si njira. Ndipo Tillerson wanena kuti, mukudziwa, tikambirana mpaka bomba loyamba litagwa. Chifukwa chake, mukudziwa, izi sizikuyitanira North Korea kuti achite nawo zokambirana, zomwe ndizofunikira mwachangu.
NERMEEN SHAIKH: Kodi munganene pang'ono, Christine, momwe North Korea idayankhira? Mwanena kumene kuti South Korea ndi US adachita masewera olimbitsa thupi posachedwa. Kodi North Korea idayankha bwanji pamasewerawa? Ndipo kodi pali chifukwa chokhulupirira kuti North Korea ikadali yotsegulira zokambirana? Chifukwa sindicho lingaliro lomwe timapeza pano muzofalitsa.
Christine AHN: Mwamtheradi. Chabwino, ndikuganiza ndikofunikira kuzindikira kuti sitinawone kuyesa kwa mizinga kapena kuyesa kwa zida za nyukiliya pafupifupi masiku 38 kuchokera kumbali yaku North Korea. Ine sindikuganiza kuti izo zikutanthauza kuti iwo sadzapitiriza. Awonetsa momveka bwino kuti ali panjira yopita ku zida zanyukiliya - mukudziwa, a ICBM zomwe zitha kuphatikizira zida zanyukiliya, zomwe zitha kukantha United States. Ndipo, inu mukudziwa, kuyerekezera kochuluka ndiko kuti kwatsala miyezi kuti achite zimenezo.
Koma, mukudziwa, sindikudziwa ngati mukukumbukira, pambuyo pa Trump, mukudziwa, "kuwononga North Korea" kulankhula ku UN, nduna yakunja yaku North Korea, Ri Yong-ho, adanena kuti, mukudziwa-ndipo ine. ndikuganiza zomwe zidachitika, kumapeto kwa sabata imeneyo, ndege za US zidawulutsa ndege zankhondo za F-15 kudutsa malire akumpoto pamalire apanyanja. Kumeneko ndi kuphwanya kotheratu, mukudziwa, pangano loti mzere wakumpoto umenewo ukanakhala mzere umene sudzawoloka kuletsa mikangano yamtundu uliwonse. Chifukwa chake, poyankha izi, North Korea yati, "Timenya ndikutsitsa ndege zaku US, ngakhale sizili mkati mwathu kapena mkati mwathu, mukudziwa, malo athu." Chifukwa chake, mukudziwa, North Korea yawonetsa kuti ibwezera.
Ndipo kotero, popeza palibe njira, kwenikweni, njira zovomerezeka - pali njira zina zazing'ono zapadera zomwe zikuchitika, mukudziwa, zokambirana za 1.5 pakati pa akuluakulu akale a US ndi boma la North Korea. Palibe zokambilana zomwe zikuchitika. Ndipo ndikuganiza kuti ndizomwe zili zowopsa zomwe tilimo, ndikuti, mukudziwa, mayeso otsatira aku North Korea akachitika, kodi US ikhala yokonzeka kuimenya? Ndipo kodi chimenecho ndiye chiyambi cha chiwonjezeko chowopsa kwambiri?
M'malo mwake, mukudziwa, a DRM Research Service adangopereka lipoti Lachisanu. Iwo ananena kuti m’masiku ochepa oyambirira, anthu 330,000 adzaphedwa nthawi yomweyo. Ndipo ndikungogwiritsa ntchito zida wamba. Ndipo mukangophatikiza zida zanyukiliya, mukudziwa, amayerekezera anthu 25 miliyoni. Ndikutanthauza, mumayerekezera bwanji chiwerengero cha anthu, makamaka m'dera limene Japan, South Korea, China, Russia, ndipo muli ndi North Korea, mwachiwonekere, yomwe ili ndi zida za nyukiliya za 60?
AMY GOODMAN: Christine -
Christine AHN: Ndiye—inde?
AMY GOODMAN: Christine, tangotsala ndi masekondi a 20, koma bwanji za mkangano uwu woti Purezidenti Trump apite ku Demilitarized Zone? Tanthauzo la izi?
Christine AHN: Chabwino, ndikuganiza kuti sakukonzekera kukacheza kumeneko. Ndikuganiza chifukwa, mukudziwa, oyang'anira ake ali ndi nkhawa kuti anena mawu odzudzula omwe angayambitse anthu aku North Korea. Ndipo kotero, pakali pano ndikuganiza kuti chofunika kwambiri ndikuti pali kulimbikitsana kwa anthu m'dziko lonselo ku United States, zionetsero zazikulu zomwe zikukonzekera November 11th, Tsiku la Armistice, ndi Veterans for Peace. Ndipo-
AMY GOODMAN: Tizisiya pamenepo, Christine Ahn, koma titero Part 2 ndikuyika pa intaneti pa democracynow.org.
