Roger Waters Anafunsidwa Mozama Zokhudza Ukraine, Russia, Israel, US

By Berliner Zeitung, February 4, 2023

Choyambirira pa ulalo womwe uli pamwambapa ndi mu Chijeremani. Kumasulira uku kunaperekedwa kwa World BEYOND War ndi Roger Waters.

Roger Waters atha kunena kuti ndiye mtsogoleri wa Pink Floyd. Anadza ndi lingaliro la ndikulemba mawu onse a mbambande "Mdima Wamdima wa Mwezi". Adalemba ma Albums "Zinyama", "Wall" ndi "The Final Cut" yekha. Paulendo wake wapano "Uku Si Kubowoleza", komwe kumabwera ku Germany mu Meyi, akufuna kufotokoza kwambiri cholowacho ndikuyimba nyimbo za Pink Floyd. Vuto: Chifukwa cha zotsutsana zomwe ananena zokhudza nkhondo ya ku Ukraine ndi ndale za dziko la Israel, imodzi mwa makonsati ake ku Poland yathetsedwa kale, ndipo ku Germany mabungwe achiyuda ndi achikhristu akufunanso chimodzimodzi. Nthawi yolankhula ndi woimba wazaka 79: Kodi akutanthauza chiyani ndi zonsezi? Kodi sakumvetsetsedwa - kodi ma concerts ake ayenera kuthetsedwa? Kodi ndi zomveka kumupatula pa zokambirana? Kapena kodi anthu ali ndi vuto loletsa otsutsa ngati Madzi kuti asamakambirane?

Woimbayo amalandira alendo ake komwe amakhala kumwera kwa England, ochezeka, omasuka, osasamala, koma otsimikiza - ndi momwe angakhalire nthawi yonse yokambirana. Choyamba, komabe, akufuna kusonyeza chinachake chapadera: Mu studio ya nyumba yake, amasewera nyimbo zitatu kuchokera ku zojambula zatsopano za "The Dark Side of the Moon", zomwe zimakondwerera kubadwa kwa 50 mu March. Iye anati: “Lingaliro latsopanoli likutanthauza kuganizira tanthauzo la ntchitoyo, kutulutsa mtima wa chimbalecho, m’nyimbo ndi mwauzimu. Ndine ndekha amene ndikuimba nyimbo zanga pa matepi atsopanowa, ndipo palibe magitala a rock and roll.”

Mawu olankhulidwa, opangidwa pamwamba pa zida monga "On The Run" kapena "The Great Gig in the Sky" ndi "Speak To Me", "Kuwonongeka Kwaubongo" "Colour Iliyonse Imene Mumakonda ndi Ndalama" amayenera kumveketsa "mantra" yake. ”, uthenga umene amauona kukhala wofunika kwambiri pa ntchito yake yonse: “Ukunena za mawu oganiza bwino. Ndipo likuti: chofunika kwambiri si mphamvu ya mafumu athu ndi atsogoleri athu kapena kugwirizana kwawo ndi Mulungu. Chofunikira kwambiri ndi kulumikizana pakati pathu monga anthu, gulu lonse la anthu. Ife, anthu, timabalalika padziko lonse lapansi - koma tonse ndife achibale chifukwa tonse timachokera ku Africa. Tonse ndife abale ndi alongo, kapena azibale athu akutali, koma momwe timachitirana wina ndi mzake ndikuwononga nyumba yathu, dziko lapansi - mofulumira kuposa momwe tingaganizire. " Mwachitsanzo, pakali pano, mwadzidzidzi tili mu 2023 tikuchita nawo nkhondo yazaka zakubadwa ndi Russia ku Ukraine. Chifukwa chiyani? Ok, mbiri yakale, mu 2004 Purezidenti wa Russia Vladimir Putin adatambasula dzanja lake kumadzulo pofuna kuyesa kumanga mtendere ku Ulaya. Zonse zili m'kaundula. Adalongosola kuti mapulani akumadzulo kuyitanira positi Maidan kulanda dziko la Ukraine ku NATO adayambitsa chiwopsezo chosavomerezeka ku Russian Federation ndipo adutsa mzere wofiira womaliza womwe utha kutha pankhondo, kotero tonse titha kuzungulira tebulo ndikukambirana za tsogolo lamtendere. . Kupita patsogolo kwake kudasokonezedwa ndi US ndi ogwirizana nawo a NATO. Kuyambira pamenepo iye adasungabe udindo wake ndipo NATO idasungabe yawo: "F ... inu". Ndipo ife tiri pano.

Bambo Waters, mumalankhula za liwu la kulingalira, kulumikizana kwakuya kwa anthu onse. Koma pankhani ya nkhondo ku Ukraine, mumalankhula zambiri za zolakwa za US ndi Kumadzulo, osati za nkhondo ya Russia ndi chiwawa cha Russia. Bwanji osatsutsa zochita za Russia? Ndikudziwa kuti mudathandizira Pussy Riot ndi mabungwe ena omenyera ufulu wachibadwidwe ku Russia. Bwanji osaukira Putin?

Choyamba, ngati muwerenga kalata yanga kwa Putin ndi zolemba zanga kumayambiriro kwa nkhondo mu February ....

...munamutcha "chigawenga" ...

…ndendende, ndinatero. Koma mwina ndinasintha maganizo anga pang’ono m’chaka chathachi. Pali podcast yochokera ku Kupro yotchedwa "The Duran". Okhala nawo amalankhula Chirasha ndipo amatha kuwerenga zolankhula za Putin pachiyambi. Ndemanga zawo pa izo zimamveka kwa ine. Chifukwa chofunikira kwambiri choperekera zida ku Ukraine ndi phindu kumakampani ankhondo. Ndipo ndikudabwa: kodi Putin ndi wachifwamba wamkulu kuposa a Joe Biden ndi onse omwe amayang'anira ndale zaku America kuyambira Nkhondo Yachiwiri Yapadziko Lonse? sindiri wotsimikiza. Putin sanaukire Vietnam kapena Iraq? Kodi iye?

Chifukwa chofunikira kwambiri choperekera zida ndi izi: Ndikuthandizira Ukraine, kupambana nkhondo komanso kuletsa chiwawa cha Russia. Mukuwoneka kuti mukuziwona mosiyana.

Inde. Mwina sindiyenera kukhala, koma tsopano ndamasuka kumvetsera zomwe Putin akunena. Malingana ndi mawu odziimira omwe ndimamvetsera amalamulira mosamala, kupanga zisankho pazifukwa za mgwirizano mu boma la Russian Federation. Palinso anzeru otsutsa ku Russia, omwe akhala akukangana ndi imperialism yaku America kuyambira 1950s. Ndipo mawu apakati akhala akuti: Ukraine ndi mzere wofiira. Iyenera kukhalabe malo osalowerera ndale. Ngati sizikhala choncho, sitikudziwa kuti zidzatsogolera kuti. Sitikudziwabe, koma zikhoza kutha mu Nkhondo Yachitatu Yapadziko Lonse.

Mu February chaka chatha, anali Putin yemwe adaganiza zoukira.

Anayambitsa zomwe amachitchabe "ntchito yapadera yankhondo". Anayambitsa pazifukwa zomwe ngati ndawamvetsa bwino ndi izi: 1. Tikufuna kuletsa kupha anthu olankhula Chirasha a Donbas. 2. Tikufuna kulimbana ndi Nazism ku Ukraine. Pali mtsikana wina wa ku Ukraine, Alina, amene ndinalemberana naye makalata aatali: “Ndikumva. Ndikumvetsa ululu wako.” Adandiyankha, adandithokoza, koma adatsindika, ndikutsimikiza kuti mukulakwitsa chinthu chimodzi, "Ndikutsimikiza 200% kuti ku Ukraine kulibe chipani cha Nazi." Ndinayankhanso kuti, “Pepani Alina, koma ukulakwitsa. Kodi mungakhale bwanji ku Ukraine osadziwa?"

Palibe umboni wosonyeza kuti ku Ukraine kwachitika chiwembu. Panthawi imodzimodziyo, Putin wakhala akutsindika mobwerezabwereza kuti akufuna kubwezeretsa Ukraine mu ufumu wake. Putin adauza yemwe kale anali Chancellor waku Germany Angela Merkel kuti tsiku lomvetsa chisoni kwambiri pamoyo wake linali mu 1989, pomwe Soviet Union idagwa.

Kodi liwu lochokera ku "Ukraine" si liwu la Chirasha lotanthauza "Borderland"? Inali mbali ya Russia ndi Soviet Union kwa nthawi yaitali. Ndi mbiri yovuta. Pa Nkhondo Yachiwiri Yapadziko Lonse, ndikukhulupirira kuti panali anthu ambiri akumadzulo kwa Ukraine omwe adaganiza zogwirizana ndi chipani cha Nazi. Anapha Ayuda, Aromani, achikomyunizimu, ndi aliyense amene Ufumu wa Third Reich unkafuna kuti aphedwe. Mpaka lero pali mkangano pakati pa Western Ukraine (Ndi kapena popanda Nazi Alina) ndi Eastern The Donbas) ndi Southern (Crimea) Ukraine ndipo pali ambiri Russian olankhula Ukrainians chifukwa anali mbali ya Russia kwa zaka mazana ambiri. Kodi mungathetse bwanji vuto ngati limeneli? Sizingatheke ndi boma la Kiev kapena aku Russia akupambana. Putin wakhala akugogomezera kuti alibe chidwi cholanda chakumadzulo kwa Ukraine - kapena kuwukira Poland kapena dziko lina lililonse kumalire. Zomwe akunena ndi izi: akufuna kuteteza anthu olankhula Chirasha kumadera aku Ukraine komwe anthu olankhula Chirasha akumva kuti ali pachiwopsezo chifukwa cha maboma a Maidan Coup Government ku Kiev. Kuukira boma komwe kumavomerezedwa ndi anthu ambiri kuti kudapangidwa ndi US.

Talankhula ndi anthu aku Ukraine ambiri omwe angatsimikizire mosiyana. A US mwina adathandizira ziwonetsero za 2014. Koma ponseponse, magwero odziwika bwino komanso maakaunti omwe adawona ndi maso akuwonetsa kuti zionetserozo zidachokera mkati - kudzera mukufuna kwa anthu aku Ukraine.

Ndikudabwa ndi a Ukraine omwe mwalankhula nawo? Ndikhoza kulingalira kuti ena amanena zimenezo. Kumbali ina ya ndalamazo anthu ambiri aku Ukraine ku Crimea ndi Donbass adavota mu referenda kuti alowenso ku Russian Federation.

Mu February, mudadabwa kuti Putin anaukira Ukraine. Kodi mungatsimikize bwanji kuti sadzapitirira? Chidaliro chanu mu Russia sichikuwoneka kuti chasweka, mosasamala kanthu za nkhondo yankhanza ya ku Russia yakupha.

Kodi ndingakhale bwanji otsimikiza kuti US sangakhale pachiwopsezo choyambitsa nkhondo yanyukiliya ndi China? Iwo akukwiyitsa kale Achi China polowerera ku Taiwan. Iwo angakonde kuwononga Russia poyamba. Aliyense amene ali ndi IQ pamwamba pa kutentha kwa chipinda amamvetsetsa kuti, akawerenga nkhani, ndipo Achimereka amavomereza.

Mumakwiyitsa anthu ambiri chifukwa nthawi zonse zimamveka ngati mukuteteza Putin.

Poyerekeza ndi Biden, ndine. Zoputa za US/NATO pamaso pa February 2022 zinali zonyanyira komanso zowononga kwambiri zofuna za anthu wamba aku Europe.

Kodi simunganyalanyaze Russia?

Ndikuganiza kuti sizothandiza. Mukukhala ku Europe: Kodi US imalipira ndalama zingati potumiza gasi? Kuchulukitsa kasanu zomwe nzika zake zimalipira. Ku England, anthu tsopano akuti "idyani kapena kutentha" - chifukwa anthu osauka sangathe kutenthetsa nyumba zawo. Maboma a azungu ayenera kuzindikira kuti tonse ndife abale ndi alongo. Mu Nkhondo Yachiwiri Yapadziko Lonse, adawona zomwe zimachitika akamayesa kumenya nkhondo ndi Russia. Adzalumikizana ndikumenya nkhondo mpaka ruble lomaliza komanso malo omaliza a square mita kuti ateteze dziko lawo. Monga momwe aliyense angachitire. Ndikuganiza kuti ngati US ingathe kutsimikizira nzika zake komanso inu ndi anthu ena ambiri, kuti Russia ndi mdani weniweni, komanso kuti Putin ndi Hitler watsopano adzakhala ndi nthawi yosavuta kuba kwa osauka kuti apereke kwa olemera komanso kuyamba ndi kulimbikitsa nkhondo zambiri, monga nkhondo ya proxy iyi ku Ukraine. Mwina izi zikuwoneka ngati zandale zandale kwa inu, koma mwina mbiri yomwe ndimawerenga komanso nkhani zomwe ndimapeza ndizosiyana ndi inu. Simungakhulupirire zonse zomwe mumawona pa TV kapena kuwerenga m'mapepala. Zomwe ndikuyesera kukwaniritsa ndi zojambulidwa zanga zatsopano, zonena zanga ndi machitidwe anga ndikuti abale ndi alongo athu omwe ali ndi mphamvu amaletsa nkhondo - ndikuti anthu amvetsetse kuti abale ndi alongo athu ku Russia sakhala pansi pa ulamuliro wankhanza, monganso inu. kuchita ku Germany kapena ndikuchita ku US. Ndikutanthauza kuti tingasankhe kupitiriza kupha achinyamata a ku Ukraine ndi a ku Russia ngati tili ndi mphamvu zoletsa?

Titha kuchita kuyankhulana uku, ku Russia izi sizikanakhala zophweka… Koma kubwerera ku Ukraine: Kodi mungatani kuti mutsutsane ndi mfundo za dziko la Ukraine zakumadzulo?

Tiyenera kubweretsa atsogoleri athu onse patebulo ndikuwakakamiza kunena kuti: "Sipadzakhalanso nkhondo!". Apa ndi pomwe zokambirana zingayambike.

Kodi mungaganizire kukhala ku Russia?

Inde, chifukwa chiyani? Zingakhalenso chimodzimodzi ndi anansi anga kuno kum’mwera kwa England. Titha kupita ku malo ogulitsira ndikulankhula momasuka - bola ngati sapita kunkhondo ndikupha anthu aku America kapena aku Ukraine. Chabwino? Bola titha kugulitsana wina ndi mzake, kugulitsana gasi, kuonetsetsa kuti tikutentha m'nyengo yozizira, tili bwino. Anthu aku Russia sali osiyana ndi inu ndi ine: pali anthu abwino ndipo pali zitsiru - monga kwina kulikonse.

Ndiye bwanji osasewera ziwonetsero ku Russia?

Osati pazifukwa zamalingaliro. Sizingatheke pakali pano. Ine sindikunyanyala Russia, izo zingakhale zopusa. Ndimasewera mawonetsero 38 ku USA. Ngati ndinganyalanyaze dziko lililonse pazifukwa zandale, lingakhale US. Iwo ndi amene amaukali kwambiri.

Ngati wina ayang'ana mkanganowo mopanda ndale, akhoza kuona Putin ngati wotsutsa. Kodi mukuganiza kuti tonse ndife osokonezeka maganizo?

Inde, ndikutero, ndithudi. Waubongo, wanena.

Chifukwa timadya media zakumadzulo?

Ndendende. Zomwe aliyense Kumadzulo akuwuzidwa ndi nkhani ya "kuukira kosavomerezeka". Ha? Aliyense amene ali ndi theka la ubongo akhoza kuona kuti mkangano ku Ukraine unakwiya kwambiri. Mwina ndiye kuwukira komwe kwakwiyitsidwa kwambiri.

Pamene makonsati ku Poland anathetsedwa chifukwa cha mawu anu okhudza nkhondo ya ku Ukraine, kodi munangomva kuti simukumvetsa?

Inde. Ichi ndi sitepe yaikulu yobwerera mmbuyo. Ndi chiwonetsero cha Russophobia. Anthu a ku Poland mwachiwonekere ali otengeka mofananamo ndi nkhani zabodza za azungu. Ndikanafuna kuwauza kuti: “Inu ndinu abale ndi alongo, pemphani atsogoleri anu kuti aimitse nkhondoyo kuti tiimirire kwa kamphindi ndi kuganiza kuti: “Kodi nkhondo imeneyi ndi ya chiyani?”. Ndi za kupangitsa olemera m'mayiko a Kumadzulo kukhala olemera kwambiri ndi osauka kulikonse kukhala osauka kwambiri. Zosiyana ndi Robin Hood. Jeff Bezos ali ndi ndalama zokwana madola 200 biliyoni, pamene anthu zikwizikwi ku Washington DC okha amakhala m'mabokosi a makatoni pamsewu.

Anthu aku Ukraine akuimirira kuti ateteze dziko lawo. Anthu ambiri ku Germany amaona choncho, n’chifukwa chake mawu anu amachititsa mantha, ngakhale mkwiyo. Malingaliro anu pa Israeli akukumana ndi kutsutsidwa kofananako pano. Ichi ndichifukwa chake palinso zokambirana ngati ma concert anu ku Germany aletsedwe. Kodi mumachita bwanji zimenezi?

O, mukudziwa, ndi omenyera ufulu wa Israeli ngati Malca Goldstein-Wolf omwe amafuna izi. Ndizopusa. Adayesa kale kuyimitsa konsati yanga ku Cologne mu 2017 ndipo adatenganso mawayilesi am'deralo kuti alowe nawo.

Kodi sikophweka kunena kuti anthuwa ndi zitsiru?

Ndithudi, si onse opusa. Koma mwina amawerenga Baibulo ndipo mwina amakhulupirira kuti aliyense amene amatsutsa Israeli fascism mu Dziko Lopatulika ndi anti-Semite. Imeneyo kwenikweni si udindo wanzeru kutenga, chifukwa kutero muyenera kukana kuti anthu ankakhala ku Palestine Aisrayeli asanakhazikike kumeneko. Muyenera kutsatira nthano yomwe imati, "Dziko lopanda anthu kwa anthu opanda dziko." Zachabechabe zake. Mbiri pano ikuwonekeratu. Mpaka pano, anthu amtundu wa Ayuda ndi ochepa. Aisraeli achiyuda onse adasamuka ku Eastern Europe kapena United States.

Munayerekezera dziko la Israel ndi Germany ya Nazi. Kodi mukukhulupirirabe kufananitsaku?

Inde kumene. Aisrayeli akuwononga fuko. Monga momwe Great Britain idachitira panthawi ya atsamunda, mwa njira. Mwachitsanzo, anthu a ku Britain anapha anthu a ku North America. Momwemonso Adatchi, Asipanya, Apwitikizi ngakhalenso Ajeremani m’maiko awo. Zonsezi zinali mbali ya kupanda chilungamo kwa nthawi ya atsamunda. Ndipo ife, aku Britain tinaphanso ndikufunkha ku India, Southeast Asia, China…. Tinkadzikhulupirira kuti ndife apamwamba kuposa amwenye, monga momwe Aisrayeli amachitira ku Palestine. Chabwino, sitinali ndipo ngakhalenso Ayuda a Israeli.

Monga munthu wachingelezi, muli ndi malingaliro osiyana kwambiri pa mbiri ya Boma la Israeli kuposa momwe ife Ajeremani timachitira. Ku Germany, kutsutsidwa kwa Israeli kumachitidwa mosamala pazifukwa zomveka; Germany ili ndi ngongole yakale yomwe dzikolo liyenera kukwaniritsa.

Ndikumva bwino kwambiri ndipo ndakhala ndikuyesera kuthana nazo kwa zaka 20. Koma kwa ine, ngongole yanu, monga mukunenera, kudziimba mlandu kwa dziko lanu pa zomwe a Nazi adachita pakati pa 1933 ndi 1945, sikuyenera kufunikira kuti gulu lanu lonse liziyenda ndi kuphethira za Israeli. Kodi sizingakhale bwino ngati zingakulimbikitseni kutaya zonse zomwe zachitika ndikuthandizira ufulu wachibadwidwe wa abale ndi alongo anu padziko lonse lapansi mosasamala kanthu za chipembedzo kapena dziko?

Kodi mukukayikira za ufulu wa Israeli wokhalapo?

Malingaliro anga, Israeli ali ndi ufulu wokhalapo malinga ngati ali demokalase yeniyeni, malinga ngati palibe gulu, lachipembedzo kapena fuko, lomwe likusangalala ndi ufulu waumunthu kuposa wina aliyense. Koma mwatsoka izi ndi zomwe zikuchitika ku Israel ndi Palestine. Boma likunena kuti Ayuda okha ndi amene ayenera kukhala ndi ufulu wina. Chifukwa chake sitinganene kuti ndi demokalase. Iwo ali omasuka kwambiri za izo, izo zalembedwa mu malamulo a Israeli. Tsopano kuli anthu ambiri ku Germany, ndipo ndithudi Ayuda ambiri mu Israeli, amene ali omasuka ku nkhani yosiyana ya Israeli. Zaka makumi awiri zapitazo, sitikanatha kukambirana za Boma la Israeli momwe mawu akuti kuphana ndi tsankho adatchulidwa. Tsopano ndinganene kuti simungathe kukambirana popanda kugwiritsa ntchito mawu amenewo, chifukwa amafotokoza bwino zomwe zikuchitika m'gawo lolandidwa. Ndikuwona izi momveka bwino kuyambira pomwe ndakhala mbali ya gulu la BDS (Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions against Israel, ed.).

Kodi mukuganiza kuti angagwirizane nanu kuno ku England?

Sindinganene motsimikiza chifukwa sindinakhale kuno kwa zaka 20 zapitazi. Ndikanayenera kupita ku malo ogulitsira ndikulankhula ndi anthu. Koma ndikukayikira kuti ambiri angagwirizane nane tsiku lililonse. Ndili ndi anzanga ambiri achiyuda - mwa njira - omwe amagwirizana ndi ine ndi mtima wonse, chomwe ndi chifukwa chimodzi chomwe chiri chopenga kuyesa kundinyoza ngati wodana ndi Myuda. Ndili ndi mnzanga wina wapamtima ku New York, yemwe amakhala Myuda, yemwe adandiuza tsiku lina, “Zaka zingapo zapitazo, ndimaganiza kuti wapenga, ndimaganiza kuti waluza. Tsopano ndikuwona kuti unali wolondola pamalingaliro a dziko la Israeli - ndipo ife, gulu lachiyuda ku US, tinali kulakwitsa. " Mnzanga waku NY anali wokhumudwa polankhula izi, ndi munthu wabwino.

Maudindo a BDS amavomerezedwa ndi Germany Bundestag. Kupambana kwa kayendetsedwe ka BDS kumatha kutanthauza kutha kwa dziko la Israeli. Mukuwona mosiyana?

Inde, Israyeli akanatha kusintha malamulo ake. Iwo akanatha kunena kuti: Tasintha maganizo athu, anthu amaloledwa kukhala ndi ufulu ngakhale atakhala kuti si Ayuda. Zingakhale choncho, ndiye sitidzafunikanso BDS.

Kodi mwataya abwenzi chifukwa mukugwira ntchito pa BDS?

Ndizosangalatsa kuti mukufunsa zimenezo. Sindikudziwa kwenikweni, koma ndikukayikira kwambiri. Ubwenzi ndi chinthu champhamvu. Ndinganene kuti ndakhala ndi anzanga enieni pafupifupi khumi m’moyo wanga. Sindikanatha kutaya mnzanga chifukwa cha maganizo anga a ndale, chifukwa abwenzi amakondana - ndipo ubwenzi umabala kulankhula, ndi kulankhula kumabala kumvetsetsa. Ngati mnzanga anganene kuti, "Roger, ndinakuwonani mukuwulukira nkhumba yotentha kwambiri yokhala ndi Nyenyezi ya David pamasewera anu a Wall!", Ndimawafotokozera zomwe zikuchitika komanso kuti panalibe chilichonse chotsutsana ndi Semitic chomwe chimafuna kapena kufotokoza.

Nanga nkhani yake ndi yotani?

Izi zinali panthawi ya nyimbo ya "Goodbye Blue Sky" muwonetsero wa "The Wall". Ndipo kuti mufotokoze nkhaniyo, mukuwona oponya mabomba a B-52, pachithunzi chozungulira kumbuyo kwa gululo, koma samaponya mabomba, amaponya zizindikiro: Zizindikiro za Dollar, Mitanda, Hammer ndi Sickles, Star ndi Crescents, chizindikiro cha McDonalds - ndi Nyenyezi ya Davide. Ichi ndi nthabwala ya zisudzo, chisonyezero cha chikhulupiriro changa chakuti kumasula malingaliro awa, kapena zopangira pa anthu pansi, ndi mchitidwe waukali, wotsutsana ndi umunthu, wotsutsana ndi kulenga chikondi ndi mtendere pakati pa ife abale ndi alongo. Ndikunena m'manja olakwika zikhulupiriro zonse zomwe zizindikirozi zikuyimira zitha kukhala zoyipa.

Maganizo anu ndi otani? Kodi ndinu a anarchist - motsutsana ndi mphamvu zamtundu uliwonse zomwe anthu amagwiritsa ntchito wina ndi mnzake?

Ndimadzitcha ndekha munthu waumunthu, nzika ya dziko. Ndipo kukhulupirika ndi ulemu wanga ndi wa anthu onse, mosasamala kanthu za kumene amachokera, dziko lawo kapena chipembedzo chawo.

Kodi mudzachitabe mu Isiraeli lero akakulolani?

Ayi ndithu. Kumeneko kungakhale kuwoloka mzere wa picket. Kwa zaka zambiri ndakhala ndikulembera makalata anzanga m'makampani oimba kuti ndiwalimbikitse kuti asachite ku Israel. Nthawi zina amatsutsana, amati, "Koma iyi ndi njira yokhazikitsira mtendere, tiyenera kupita kumeneko ndikuyesera kuwatsimikizira kuti akhazikitse mtendere" Chabwino, tonsefe tili ndi ufulu wamalingaliro athu, koma mu 2005 bungwe lonse la Palestine Civil Society linandifunsa. kuona kunyalanyazidwa kwa chikhalidwe, ndipo ndine yani kuti ndiuze anthu onse okhala m'ntchito zankhanza zomwe ndikuzidziwa bwino kuposa iwo.

Ndizolimbikitsa kunena kuti mungasewere ku Moscow koma osati ku Israel.

Chochititsa chidwi n'chakuti mukunena kuti ku Moscow sikuyendetsa dziko latsankho potengera kupha anthu amtundu wamba.

Ku Russia, anthu amitundu yochepa amasalidwa kwambiri. Mwa zina, anthu amitundu yambiri omwe si a Russia amatumizidwa kunkhondo kuposa amitundu aku Russia.

Mukuwoneka kuti mukundifunsa kuti ndiwone Russia kuchokera pamalingaliro apano a Russo phobic. Ndimasankha kuziwona mosiyana, ngakhale monga ndanenera kuti sindilankhula Chirasha kapena kukhala ku Russia kotero kuti ndili kunja.

Kodi mumakonda bwanji kuti Pinki Floyd ajambulitsa chidutswa chatsopano kwa nthawi yoyamba m'zaka 30 - ndi woimba waku Ukraine Andrij Chlywnjuk?

Ndawona kanemayo ndipo sindikudabwa, koma ndikuwona kuti ndizomvetsa chisoni kwambiri. Ndi zachilendo kwa ine, izi zikusowa kwambiri mu umunthu. Zimalimbikitsa kupitiriza kwa nkhondo. Pinki Floyd ndi dzina lomwe ndimakonda kucheza nalo. Imeneyo inali nthawi yaikulu m'moyo wanga, chinthu chachikulu kwambiri. Kuphatikizira dzinalo tsopano ndi china chonga ichi… proxy war imandimvetsa chisoni. Ndikutanthauza kuti sanapangepo mfundo yoti, “Imitsani nkhondo, letsani kuphana, sonkhanitsani atsogoleri athu kuti akambirane!” Kungogwedezeka kocheperako kwa mbendera yabuluu ndi yachikasu uku. Ndinalemba m'makalata anga kwa mtsikana wa ku Ukraine Alina: Sindidzakweza mbendera mu nkhondoyi, osati mbendera ya Chiyukireniya, osati mbendera ya Russia, osati mbendera ya US.

Pambuyo pa kugwa kwa Khoma, mudapanga "Khoma" mu Berlin yolumikizananso, ndikuyembekeza zabwino zamtsogolo. Kodi mumaganiza kuti mutha kuthandizanso mtsogolo muno ndi luso lanu, kusintha?

Inde, ndikukhulupirira zimenezo mpaka lero. Ngati muli ndi mfundo za ndale ndipo ndinu wojambula, ndiye kuti madera awiriwa ndi osakanikirana. Ichi ndi chifukwa chimodzi chomwe ndinasiya Pink Floyd, mwa njira: Ndinali ndi mfundo zimenezo, enawo analibe kapena anali ndi zosiyana.

Kodi tsopano mukudziona ngati woyimba wofanana komanso wolimbikitsa ndale?

Inde, nthawizina ndimatsamira kwa wina, nthawi zina.

Kodi ulendo wanu wapano udzakhaladi ulendo wanu womaliza?

(Kuseka) sindikudziwa. Ulendowu uli ndi mutu wakuti “Ulendo Wotsanzikana Woyamba” ndipo ndi nthabwala yodziwikiratu chifukwa akatswiri akale a rock amakonda kugwiritsa ntchito Farewell Tour ngati chida chogulitsira. Ndiye nthawi zina amapuma ndipo nthawi zina amapita ku Final Farewell Tour, zonse zili bwino.

Mukufuna kupitiliza kutumiza china chake kudziko lapansi, pangani kusiyana?

Ndimakonda nyimbo zabwino, ndimakonda mabuku abwino - makamaka Chingerezi ndi Chirasha, komanso Chijeremani. Ichi ndichifukwa chake ndimakonda lingaliro la anthu kuzindikira ndikumvetsetsa zomwe ndimachita.

Ndiye bwanji osabwerera mmbuyo ndi mawu andale?

Chifukwa ndine amene ndili. Ndikanakhala kuti sindidali munthu amene ali ndi zikhulupiriro zamphamvu zandale, sindikadalemba kuti “Kumbali Yamdima ya Mwezi”, “Khoma”, “Ndikufuna Unali Pano”, “Kusekedwa Mpaka Imfa” ndi zina zonse. .

Zikomo kwambiri chifukwa cha zokambirana.