Rep. Barbara Lee, Yemwe Adavotera Pambuyo pa 9/11 Kulimbana ndi "Nkhondo Zosatha," Pakufunika Kofufuza Nkhondo ku Afghanistan

AMY GOODMAN: Loweruka ndi tsiku lokumbukira zaka 20 zakumenyedwa kwa Seputembara 11. M'masiku omwe adatsatira, mtunduwo udadzudzulidwa kuchokera pakufa kwa anthu opitilira 3,000, pomwe Purezidenti George W. Bush amamenya ngodya zankhondo. Pa Seputembara 14, 2001, patadutsa masiku atatu chiwembu chowopsa cha 9/11, mamembala a Congress adachita zokambirana kwa maola asanu ngati angapatse Purezidenti mphamvu zochulukirapo kuti agwiritse ntchito gulu lankhondo pobwezera zomwe awukira, zomwe Senate idadutsa kale voti ya 98 mpaka 0.

California Democratic Congressmember Barbara Lee, liwu lake likunjenjemera ndikumva chisoni pomwe amalankhula kuchokera pansi pa Nyumba, ndiye yekhayo membala wa Congress kuti adzavote pomenya nkhondo posachedwa pa 9/11. Voti yomaliza inali 420 mpaka 1.

Kupeleka. Barbara kutanthauza dzina Mapulogalamu onse pa intaneti: Bwana Spika, mamembala, ndadzuka lero ndi mtima wokhumudwa kwambiri, womwe wadzaza ndi chisoni chifukwa cha mabanja komanso okondedwa omwe adaphedwa ndikuvulala sabata ino. Ndiwoopusa kwambiri komanso osaganizira kwambiri omwe sangamvetse chisoni chomwe chagwera anthu athu ndi mamiliyoni padziko lonse lapansi.

Izi zosaneneka ku United States zandikakamiza, komabe, kudalira kampasi yanga yamakhalidwe abwino, chikumbumtima changa ndi mulungu wanga kuti anditsogolere. Seputembala 11th idasintha dziko. Mantha athu akulu tsopano akutivutitsa. Komabe ndikukhulupirira kuti kumenya nkhondo sikudzateteza zigawenga zapadziko lonse lapansi motsutsana ndi United States. Iyi ndi nkhani yovuta kwambiri komanso yovuta.

Tsopano, lingaliro ili lipita, ngakhale tonse tikudziwa kuti purezidenti atha kumenya nkhondo popanda iwo. Ngakhale voti iyi ingakhale yovuta bwanji, enafe tifunika kulimbikitsa kudziletsa. Dziko lathu lili pachisoni. Ena a ife tiyenera kunena, “Tiyeni tibwerere m'mbuyo kwa mphindi. Tiyeni tingoima kaye, kwa miniti imodzi, ndikuganizira momwe zochita zathu lero zingakhudzire kuti izi zisawonongeke. ”

Tsopano, ndakhumudwa chifukwa cha voti iyi, koma ndidazindikira lero, ndipo ndidakumana ndikutsutsa chigamulochi pamsonkhano wachikumbutso chowawa komanso chosangalatsa kwambiri. Monga membala wachipembedzo ananeneratu kuti, "Tikamachita zinthu, tisakhale oyipa omwe timanyansidwa nawo." Zikomo, ndikupereka nthawi yanga yokwanira.

AMY GOODMAN: "Tisakhale oyipa omwe timawadandaulira." Ndipo ndi mawu awa, Oakland Congressmember Barbara Lee adagwedeza Nyumba, Capitol, dziko lino, dziko lapansi, liwu lokhalo la mamembala opitilira 400.

Panthawiyo, a Barbara Lee anali m'modzi mwa mamembala atsopano a Congress komanso m'modzi mwa azimayi ochepa aku Africa aku America omwe anali ndiudindo mu Nyumba kapena Senate. Tsopano m'zaka zake za 12, ndiye mayi wapamwamba kwambiri ku Africa American ku Congress.

Inde, papita zaka 20. Ndipo Lachitatu sabata ino, ndidafunsa Congressmember Lee pamwambo womwe udachitika ndi Institute for Policy Study, yomwe idakhazikitsidwa ndi Marcus Raskin, wothandizira wakale mu kayendetsedwe ka Kennedy yemwe adakhala womenyera ufulu komanso wolemba. Ndidafunsa Congressmember Lee momwe adasankhira kuyima yekha, zomwe zidagwirizana ndi chisankhocho, komwe anali pomwe adaganiza zokakamba, ndiyeno momwe anthu adayankhira.

Kupeleka. Barbara kutanthauza dzina Mapulogalamu onse pa intaneti: Zikomo kwambiri, Amy. Ndipo kwenikweni, zikomo kwa aliyense, makamaka IPS potengera msonkhano wofunikira kwambiri lero. Ndipo ndiroleni ndingonena kwa iwo ochokera IPS, chifukwa cha mbiri yakale komanso kungolemekeza Marcus Raskin, Marcus ndiye munthu womaliza yemwe ndidalankhula naye ndisanalankhule - munthu womaliza kwambiri.

Ndinapita ku chikumbutso ndipo ndinali nditabwerako. Ndipo ndinali mu komiti yoyang'anira, yomwe inali Komiti Yachilendo ndi izi, pomwe chilolezo chimachokera. Ndipo, zachidziwikire, sizinadutse komiti. Amayenera kubwera Loweruka. Ndidabwerera kuofesi, ndipo antchito anga adati, "Muyenera kuti mufike pansi. Chilolezo chikubwera. Vote ikubwera ola limodzi kapena awiri. ”

Chifukwa chake ndimayenera kuthamanga mpaka pansi. Ndipo ndimayesetsa kuti ndithandizire pamodzi. Monga mukuwonera, sindinachite bwino - sindinganene kuti "sindinakonzekere," koma ndinalibe zomwe ndimafuna pamalingaliro anga ndi mfundo zangalankhulidwe. Ndimayenera kungolemba zinazake papepala. Ndipo ndidamuyimbira Marcus. Ndipo ine ndinati, "Chabwino." Ndidati - ndipo ndidayankhula naye masiku atatu apitawa. Ndipo ndidalankhula ndi abwana anga akale, a Ron Dellums, omwe anali, kwa inu omwe simukudziwa, wankhondo wamkulu wamtendere ndi chilungamo kuchokera mdera langa. Ndidamugwirira ntchito zaka 11, womutsatira. Chifukwa chake ndidalankhula ndi Ron, ndipo ndiogwira ntchito yamagulu amisala. Ndipo ndidayankhula ndi maloya angapo. Ndalankhula ndi abusa anga, zowonadi, amayi anga ndi abale anga.

Ndipo inali nthawi yovuta kwambiri, koma palibe amene ndidalankhula naye, Amy, adandiuza momwe ndiyenera kuvotera. Ndipo zinali zosangalatsa kwambiri. Ngakhale Marcus sanatero. Tidakambirana za zabwino ndi zoyipa, zomwe Constitution imafuna, zomwe zimakhudza izi, malingaliro onse. Ndipo zinali zothandiza kwambiri kuti ndizitha kuyankhula ndi anthuwa, chifukwa zikuwoneka ngati sakufuna kundiuza kuti ndivote ayi, chifukwa amadziwa kuti helo yense adzamasulidwa. Koma adandipatsadi mtundu wa, mukudziwa, zabwino ndi zoyipa zake.

Mwachitsanzo, Ron, timakhala ngati tidadutsa maziko athu mu psychology ndi psychiatric social social. Ndipo tidati, mukudziwa, chinthu choyamba chomwe mumaphunzira mu Psychology 101 ndikuti simupanga zisankho zazikulu, zazikulu mukakhala achisoni komanso mukakhala ndi maliro komanso mukakhala ndi nkhawa komanso mukakwiya. Awa ndi nthawi zomwe muyenera kukhala - mukudziwa, muyenera kudutsa pamenepo. Muyenera kukankha. Ndiye mwina mutha kuyamba kuchita zinthu moganizira. Ndipo kotero, Ron ndi ine tidakambirana zambiri za izi.

Ndinalankhula ndi atsogoleri ena achipembedzo. Ndipo sindikuganiza kuti ndidayankhula naye, koma ndidamutchulapo - chifukwa ndimamutsatira kwambiri kuntchito zake ndi maulaliki, ndipo ndi mzanga, M'busa James Forbes, yemwe ndi m'busa wa Riverside Church, Reverend William Sloane Bokosi. Ndipo m'mbuyomu adalankhulapo za nkhondo zokha, nkhondo zenizeni zinali zotani, ndizofunikira ziti zankhondo zokha. Chifukwa chake, mukudziwa, chikhulupiriro changa chinali cholemera, koma kwenikweni chinali lamulo lalamulo kuti mamembala a Congress sangapereke udindo wathu ku nthambi iliyonse yayikulu, kwa purezidenti, kaya ndi a Democrat kapena Purezidenti wa Republican.

Chifukwa chake ndidafika pakuganiza kuti - ndikawerenga chigamulocho, chifukwa tidali nacho chimodzi, tidachikankhira kumbuyo, palibe amene angachirikize. Ndipo atabweretsanso yachiwiriyo, idali yotakata mopitilira muyeso, mawu 60, ndipo zonse zomwe adanena kuti purezidenti atha kugwiritsa ntchito mphamvu mpaka kalekale, bola mtunduwo, munthu aliyense kapena bungweli lidalumikizidwa ku 9/11. Ndikutanthauza, ndikungotaya kwathunthu maudindo athu ngati mamembala a Congress. Ndipo ndimadziwa panthawiyo kuti inali kukhazikitsa siteji - ndipo ndakhala ndikuyitanitsa - nkhondo zosatha, mpaka kalekale.

Chifukwa chake, ndili ku tchalitchi chachikulu, ndidamva M'busa Nathan Baxter akunena kuti, "Tikamachita izi, tisakhale oyipa omwe timadana nawo." Ndidalemba izi papulogalamuyi, ndipo ndinali nditakhazikika kale kuti ine - ndikupita kumsonkhano wachikumbutso, ndimadziwa kuti ndinali 95% yovota ayi. Koma nditamumva, anali 100%. Ndidadziwa kuti ndiyenera kuvota ayi.

Ndipo, ndisanapite ku maliro, sindinapite. Ndidalankhula ndi a Elijah Cummings. Tinkalankhula kumbuyo kwa zipinda. Ndipo china chake chimangondilimbikitsa ndikundipangitsa kuti ndinene, "Ayi, Eliya, ndikupita," ndipo ndidathamanga kutsika. Ndikuganiza kuti ndinali womaliza m'basi. Linali tsiku lachisoni, lamvula, ndipo ndinali ndi chitini cha ginger ale m'manja mwanga. Sindidzaiwala zimenezo. Ndipo kotero, ndizo mtundu wa, mukudziwa, chomwe chidatsogolera ku ichi. Koma inali nthawi yovuta kwambiri mdzikolo.

Ndipo, zachidziwikire, ndimakhala ku Capitol ndipo ndimayenera kutuluka m'mawa uja ndi mamembala ochepa a Black Caucus komanso oyang'anira a Small Business Administration. Ndipo tidayenera kuchoka pa 8:15, 8:30. Sindinadziwe chifukwa chake, kupatula "Chokani pano." Ndinayang'ana mmbuyo, ndinawona utsi, ndipo iyo inali Pentagon yomwe inali itagundidwa. Komanso pa ndege ija, pa Flight 93, yomwe imabwera ku Capitol, wamkulu wanga wogwira ntchito, Sandré Swanson, msuweni wake anali Wanda Green, m'modzi mwa ogwira nawo ndege pa Flight 93. Ndipo, sabata ino, Ndakhala ndikuganiza za aliyense amene wamwalira, madera omwe sanalandirebe. Ndipo ngwazi ndi ngwazi za pa Flight 93, omwe adatenga ndege ija, akadapulumutsa moyo wanga ndikupulumutsa miyoyo ya iwo omwe ali ku Capitol.

Chifukwa chake, inali, mukudziwa, mphindi yachisoni kwambiri. Tonsefe tinali achisoni. Tinali okwiya. Tinali ndi nkhawa. Ndipo aliyense, zachidziwikire, amafuna kuweruza zigawenga, kuphatikiza inenso. Sindine womenyera nkhondo. Chifukwa chake ayi, ndine mwana wamkazi wankhondo. Koma ndikudziwa - abambo anga anali mu Nkhondo Yachiwiri Yapadziko Lonse ndi Korea, ndipo ndikudziwa tanthauzo lakuyenda kunkhondo. Chifukwa chake, sindine woti tigwiritse ntchito njira yankhondo ngati njira yoyamba, chifukwa ndikudziwa kuti titha kuthana ndi mavuto okhudza nkhondo ndi mtendere ndi uchigawenga m'njira zina.

AMY GOODMAN: Ndiye, nchiyani chomwe chidachitika mutatsika pansi mnyumbayo, ndikulankhula kwa mphindi ziwiri ndikubwerera kuofesi yanu? Kodi anatani?

Kupeleka. Barbara kutanthauza dzina Mapulogalamu onse pa intaneti: Chabwino, ndinabwereranso m'chipinda chovala, ndipo aliyense anathamangira kubwerera kudzanditenga. Ndipo ndikukumbukira. Mamembala ambiri - mamembala 25% okha mu 2001 akutumikirabe pakadali pano, musadandaule, komabe alipo ambiri omwe akutumikirabe. Ndipo adabwerera kwa ine ndipo, chifukwa chaubwenzi, adati, "Uyenera kusintha voti yako." Sizinali ngati, "Chavuta ndi chiyani iwe?" kapena "Kodi simukudziwa kuti muyenera kukhala ogwirizana?" chifukwa apa panali pamunda: "Muyenera kukhala ogwirizana ndi purezidenti. Sitingachite ndale izi. Ayenera kukhala a Republican komanso a Democrats. ” Koma sanabwere kwa ine monga choncho. Iwo anati, "Barbara" - membala m'modzi anati, "Mukudziwa, mukugwira ntchito yayikulu kwambiri HIV ndi AIDS. ” Apa ndi pamene ndinali pakati pa ntchito ndi Bush padziko lonse lapansi PEPFAR ndi Global Fund. “Simupambana chisankho chanu. Tikukufunani kuno. ” Wina membala anati, "Sudziwa kuti kukumana ndi mavuto, Barbara? Sitikufuna kuti mupweteke. Mukudziwa, muyenera kubwerera kuti mukasinthe votiyo. ”

Mamembala angapo adabweranso kudzati, "Mukutsimikiza? Mukudziwa, mudavota ayi. Mukutsimikiza?" Ndiyeno m'modzi wa abwenzi anga abwino - ndipo ananena izi pagulu - Mkazi wachipani Lynn Woolsey, iye ndi ine tidayankhula, ndipo adati, "Uyenera kusintha voti yako, Barbara." Akuti, "Ngakhale mwana wanga" - adandiuza banja lake kuti, "Ino ndi nthawi yovuta mdziko muno. Ndipo ngakhale inemwini, mukudziwa, tiyenera kukhala ogwirizana, ndipo tivota. Muyenera kusintha voti yanu. ” Ndipo zidangokhala chifukwa chondidera nkhawa kuti mamembala adabwera kudzandifunsa kuti ndisinthe voti yanga.

Pambuyo pake, amayi anga adati - mayi anga omwalira adati, "Akadandiyitana," adatero, "chifukwa ndikadawauza kuti mukadzakambirana m'mutu mwanu ndikulankhula ndi anthu, ngati mwasankha , kuti ndiwe wokongola wamutu wamphongo komanso wamakani. Zitenga zambiri kuti musinthe malingaliro anu. Koma simupanga zisankho mosavuta. ” Adati, "Umakhala wotseguka nthawi zonse." Mayi anga anandiuza zimenezo. Iye anati, “Iwo akanayenera kundiyitana ine. Ndikadawauza. ”

Chifukwa chake, kenako ndidabwerera kuofesi. Ndipo foni yanga idayamba kulira. Zachidziwikire, ndinayang'ana pa wailesi yakanema, ndipo panali, mukudziwa, kakang'ono koti, "Palibe voti." Ndipo ndikuganiza mtolankhani wina anali kunena, "Ndikudabwa kuti amene uja anali ndani." Kenako dzina langa linawonekera.

Ndipo, chabwino, kotero ndidayamba kuyenda kubwerera kuofesi yanga. Foni idayamba kuwomba. Kuyimbira koyamba kudachokera kwa bambo anga, a Lieutenant - makamaka, mzaka zawo zomaliza, amafuna kuti ndimutche Colonel Tutt. Iye anali wonyada kwambiri pokhala msilikali. Apanso, Nkhondo Yachiwiri Yapadziko Lonse, anali mgulu la Battalion la 92, lomwe linali gulu lokhalo lankhondo laku America ku Italy, lothandizira kuwukira kwa Normandy, chabwino? Ndipo kenako adapita ku Korea. Ndipo anali munthu woyamba kundiyimbira foni. Ndipo adati, "Osasintha voti yanu. Inali voti yoyenera ”- chifukwa ndinali ndisanalankhule naye zisanachitike. Sindinali wotsimikiza. Ine ndinati, “Eya, sindiyimbabe bambo pano. Ndikalankhula ndi amayi anga. ” Akuti, "Simukutumiza ankhondo athu kuti adzavulaze." Iye anati, “Ndikudziwa momwe nkhondo zilili. Ndikudziwa zomwe zimachitika m'mabanja. " Iye anati, “Iwe ulibe_ iwe sukudziwa kumene iwo akupita. Mukutani? Kodi a Congress angowayika bwanji kunja popanda malingaliro, popanda pulani, Congress singadziwe zomwe zikuchitika? ” Kotero, iye anati, “Ndiyo voti yolondola. Mumapitirizabe. ” Ndipo analidi - ndipo kotero ndinamva kusangalala nazo. Ndinadzitukumula kwambiri.

Koma ziwopsezo zakupha zidabwera. Mukudziwa, sindingathe kukuwuzani tsatanetsatane wa momwe ziriri zoyipa. Anthu adandichitira zoopsa nthawi imeneyi. Koma, monga Maya Angelou adanena, "Ndipo komabe ndikuwuka," ndipo tikungopitabe. Ndipo makalata ndi maimelo komanso mafoni omwe anali amwano kwambiri komanso odana ndikunditcha kuti ndine wompereka nati ndachita chiwembu, onse ali ku Mills College, alma mater anga.

Komanso, panali - kwenikweni, 40% ya zoyankhulanazo - pali 60,000 - 40% ndizabwino. Bishop Tutu, Coretta Scott King, ndikutanthauza, anthu ochokera konsekonse padziko lapansi adanditumizira uthenga wabwino.

Ndipo kuyambira pamenepo - ndikutseka ndikungogawana nthano imodzi, chifukwa ndi izi, zaka zingapo zapitazo. Monga ambiri a inu mukudziwa, ndimathandizira a Kamala Harris ngati purezidenti, chifukwa chake ndinali ku South Carolina, ngati wopatsidwa, pamsonkhano waukulu, chitetezo paliponse. Ndipo wamtali, wamkulu wachizungu yemwe ali ndi mwana wamng'ono amabwera kudzera pagululo - sichoncho? - ndi misozi m'maso mwake. Ndi chiyani padziko lapansi ichi? Adabwera kwa ine, ndipo adati kwa ine - adati, "Ndine m'modzi mwa omwe adakutumizirani kalata yowopseza. Ndine m'modzi wa iwo. ” Ndipo adatsikira pansi zonse zomwe adandiuza. Ine ndinati, “Ndikukhulupirira apolisi samakumvani inu mukunena izo.” Koma anali m'modzi yemwe adandiwopseza. Iye anati, “Ndipo ine ndabwera kuno kuti ndidzapepese. Ndipo ndabweretsa mwana wanga kuno, chifukwa ndimafuna kuti adzandiwone kuti ndikuuzeni chisoni changa komanso kuti munalakwitsa, ndikungodziwa kuti ili ndi tsiku langa lomwe ndakhala ndikuliyembekezera. ”

Ndipo kotero, ine ndakhala ndiri - kwa zaka zambiri, anthu ambiri, ambiri abwera, m'njira zosiyanasiyana, kudzanena izo. Ndipo ndiye, ndizomwe zidandipangitsa kupitiriza, m'njira zambiri, podziwa kuti - mukudziwa, chifukwa cha Win Without War, chifukwa cha Friends Committee, chifukwa cha IPS, chifukwa cha ma Veterans for Peace ndi magulu onse omwe akhala akugwira ntchito mdziko lonselo, kukonza, kulimbikitsa, kuphunzitsa anthu, anthu ayamba kumvetsetsa kuti izi zinali za chiyani komanso tanthauzo lake. Ndipo, ndikungoyenera kuthokoza aliyense chifukwa chozungulira magaleta, chifukwa sizinali zophweka, koma chifukwa nonse munali kunja uko, anthu amabwera kwa ine tsopano ndikunena zinthu zabwino ndikundithandiza ndi ambiri - kwenikweni, a chikondi chochuluka.

AMY GOODMAN: Congressmember Lee, tsopano papita zaka 20, ndipo Purezidenti Biden watulutsa asitikali aku US ku Afghanistan. Akumenyedwa koopsa ndi ma Democrat ndi Republican pazisokonezo zamasabata angapo apitawa. Ndipo pakhala - Congress ikuyitanitsa kuti afufuze zomwe zidachitika. Koma mukuganiza kuti kufunsaku kuyenera kufikira zaka 20 zonse za nkhondo yayitali kwambiri m'mbiri ya US?

Kupeleka. Barbara kutanthauza dzina Mapulogalamu onse pa intaneti: Ndikuganiza kuti tikufunikira kufunsa. Sindikudziwa ngati ndi yemweyo. Koma, choyambirira, ndiloleni ndinene kuti ndinali m'modzi mwa mamembala ochepa omwe adatulukira kunja molawirira, ndikuthandizira purezidenti: "Wapanga chisankho cholondola." Ndipo, ndikudziwa, ngati tikadakhala kunkhondo kwa zaka zina zisanu, 10, 15, 20, mwina tikadakhala m'malo oyipirapo, chifukwa kulibe yankho lankhondo ku Afghanistan, ndipo sitingathe kumanga dziko. Ndizopatsidwa.

Chifukwa chake, ngakhale zinali zovuta kwa iye, tinakambirana zambiri za izi nthawi ya kampeni. Ndipo ndinali mu komiti yolembera papulatifomu, ndipo mutha kubwereranso kukayang'ana zomwe Bernie ndi alangizi a Biden papulatifomu adabwera nazo. Kotero, iwo anali malonjezo opangidwa, malonjezo amasungidwa. Ndipo adadziwa kuti ichi chinali chisankho chovuta. Iye anachita chinthu choyenera.

Koma atanena izi, inde, kusamutsidwa kudali kwamiyala pachiyambi, ndipo kunalibe dongosolo. Ndikutanthauza, sindikuganiza; sizinkawoneka ngati ine kukhala pulani. Sitinadziwe - ngakhale, sindikuganiza, Komiti Yanzeru. Osachepera, zinali zolakwika kapena ayi - kapena nzeru zosadziwika, ndikuganiza, za a Taliban. Ndipo kotero, panali mabowo ndi mipata yambiri yomwe tiyenera kuphunzira.

Tili ndiudindo woyang'anira kuti tipeze, choyambirira, zomwe zidachitika ndikokhudzana ndi kusamutsidwa, ngakhale zinali zodabwitsa kuti ambiri - chiyani? - anthu opitilira 120,000 adasamutsidwa. Ndikutanthauza, bwerani, m'masabata angapo? Ndikuganiza kuti uku ndikutuluka kodabwitsa komwe kunachitika. Komabe anthu amasiyidwa pamenepo, akazi ndi atsikana. Tiyenera kupeza chitetezo, kuwonetsetsa kuti ali otetezeka, ndikuwonetsetsa kuti pali njira yothandizira pamaphunziro awo kutulutsa waku America aliyense, mnzake waku Afghanistan atuluke. Chifukwa chake padakali ntchito yambiri yoti tichite, yomwe ikufunika zokambirana zambiri - zoyeserera zambiri kuti zitheke.

Koma pamapeto pake, ndingonena, mukudziwa, woyang'anira wapadera wokonzanso ku Afghanistan, abwera ndi malipoti mobwerezabwereza. Ndipo lotsiriza, ine ndikungofuna kuti ndiwerenge pang'ono pokha za chomwe chotsiriza - changotuluka masabata angapo apitawo. Anati, "Sitinali okonzeka kukhala ku Afghanistan." Anati, "Ili linali lipoti lomwe lifotokoza zomwe taphunzira ndikufunsa mafunso kwa opanga mfundo m'malo mopereka malingaliro atsopano." Ripotilo lidapezanso kuti boma la United States - ndipo ili mu lipotilo - "sanamvetsetse zomwe zikuchitika ku Afghanistan, kuphatikizapo chikhalidwe, chikhalidwe komanso ndale." Kuphatikiza apo - ndipo iyi ndi SIGAR, woyang'anira wamkulu wapaderadera - adati "akuluakulu aku US nthawi zambiri samamvetsetsa za zikhalidwe zaku Afghanistan," - ndikuwerenga izi kuchokera mu lipotilo - komanso "momwe zimayankhira kuchitapo kanthu ku US," ndikuti umbuli uwu nthawi zambiri umabwera chifukwa chonyalanyaza dala chidziwitso chomwe mwina chimapezeka.

Ndipo wakhala - malipoti awa akhala akutuluka kwa zaka 20 zapitazi. Ndipo takhala tikumva ndi maforamu ndikuyesera kuti tiwadziwitse iwo, chifukwa ali pagulu. Chifukwa chake, inde, tifunika kubwerera mmbuyo ndikukakokera pansi ndikuzama. Tiyeneranso kugwira ntchito yathu yoyang'anira malingana ndi zomwe zangochitika kumene, kuti zisadzachitikenso, komanso kuti zaka 20 zapitazi, tikamayang'anira zomwe zachitika, zisadzachitikenso, .

AMY GOODMAN: Ndipo pamapeto pake, mgawo ili lamadzulo, makamaka kwa achinyamata, nchiyani chakupatsani chilimbikitso chodziyimira panokha pomenya nkhondo?

Kupeleka. Barbara kutanthauza dzina Mapulogalamu onse pa intaneti: O, ayi. Ndine munthu wachikhulupiriro. Choyamba, ndinapemphera. Kachiwiri, ndine mkazi wakuda ku America. Ndipo ndakhala ndikudandaula kwambiri mdziko muno, monga azimayi onse akuda.

Amayi anga - ndiyenera kugawana nawo nkhaniyi, chifukwa idayamba pobadwa. Ndinabadwira ku El Paso, Texas. Ndipo amayi anga anapita ku - ankafuna gawo la C ndipo anapita kuchipatala. Sakanamuvomereza chifukwa anali Wakuda. Ndipo zidatenga zambiri kuti pamapeto pake alowe kuchipatala. Zambiri. Ndipo pofika nthawi, anali atachedwa kwambiri ndi gawo la C. Ndipo adangomusiya komweko. Ndipo wina adamuwona. Iye anakomoka. Ndiyeno iwo, inu mukudziwa, anangomuwona iye atagona pa holo. Iwo amangomuveka iye, iye anati, gurney ndipo anamusiya iye pamenepo. Ndipo kotero, potsiriza, iwo samadziwa choti achite. Ndipo kotero iwo anamutenga iye_ndipo iye anandiuza ine kuti chinali chipinda chodzidzimutsa, sichinali ngakhale chipinda choberekera. Ndipo adamaliza kuyesa kudziwa m'mene adzapulumutsire moyo wake, chifukwa panthawiyi anali atakomoka. Ndipo kotero adachita kunditulutsa m'mimba mwa amayi anga pogwiritsa ntchito ma forceps, mukundimva? Kugwiritsa ntchito forceps. Kotero ine pafupifupi sindinafike kuno. Ndinatsala pang'ono kupuma. Ndinatsala pang'ono kufa ndikubereka. Amayi anga adatsala pang'ono kumwalira ali ndi ine. Chifukwa chake, mukudziwa, ndili mwana, ndikutanthauza, ndinganene chiyani? Ngati ndikadakhala ndi kulimba mtima kuti ndikafike kuno, ndipo amayi anga adalimbika mtima kuti andibereke, ndikuganiza china chilichonse sichingakhale vuto.

AMY GOODMAN: Chabwino, Congressmember Lee, zakhala zosangalatsa kulankhula nanu, membala wa House Democratic utsogoleri, wapamwamba kwambiri -

AMY GOODMAN: Membala wa California Congress Barbara Lee, inde, tsopano ali mchigawo chake cha 12. Ndiye mayi wapamwamba kwambiri waku America waku America ku Congress. Mu 2001, Seputembara 14, patangotha ​​masiku atatu kuchokera pomwe 9/11 idamuukira, anali yekhayo membala wa Congress kuti avote motsutsana ndi chilolezo chankhondo - voti yomaliza, 420 mpaka 1.

Nditamufunsa Lachitatu usiku, anali ku California akuchita kampeni yothandizira Kazembe Gavin Newsom chisankho chisanachitike Lachiwiri, limodzi ndi Wachiwiri kwa Purezidenti Kamala Harris, wobadwira ku Oakland. Barbara Lee akuyimira Oakland. Lolemba, Newsom ichita kampeni ndi Purezidenti Joe Biden. Izi ndizo Demokarase Tsopano! Khalani nafe.

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AMY GOODMAN: "Kumbukirani Rockefeller ku Attica" wolemba Charles Mingus. Kuukira kwa ndende ku Attica kunayamba zaka 50 zapitazo. Kenako, pa Seputembara 13, 1971, Bwanamkubwa wa New York panthawiyo a Nelson Rockefeller adalamula asitikali ankhondo kuti alande ndendeyo. Iwo anapha anthu 39, kuphatikizapo akaidi ndi alonda. Lolemba, tiwona kuwukira kwa Attica pachikumbutso cha 50th.