by Demokarase Tsopano, September 1, 2021
Makanema athunthu apa: https://www.democracynow.org/shows/2021/8/31?autostart=true
Pamene United States ikumaliza kupita kunkhondo ku Afghanistan patatha zaka 20 akugwira ntchito yankhondo, Costs of War Project akuti idawononga ndalama zoposa $ 2.2 trilioni ku Afghanistan ndi Pakistan, ndipo powerenga kamodzi, anthu opitilira 170,000 adamwalira pankhondo yomaliza zaka makumi. Kathy Kelly, womenyera ufulu wakale yemwe wapita ku Afghanistan maulendo angapo ndikulimbikitsa kampeni ya Ban Killer Drones, akuti ndikofunikira kuyika chidwi cha mayiko aku Afghanistan. Kelly anati: "Aliyense ku United States komanso mdziko lililonse lomwe lakhala likulanda Afghanistan ayenera kubwezera," akutero. "Osangobweza ndalama zachiwonongeko choipacho, komanso kuthana ndi ... machitidwe ankhondo omwe akuyenera kupatula ndikuwachotsa."
AMY GOODMAN: izi ndi Demokarase Tsopano!, democracynow.org, Lipoti la Nkhondo ndi Mtendere. Ndine Amy Goodman, ndi Juan González.
Asitikali ankhondo aku US komanso akazembe adachoka ku Afghanistan patatsala pang'ono pakati pausiku ku Kabul Lolemba usiku. Pomwe kusunthaku kukufotokozedwa ngati kutha kwa nkhondo yayitali kwambiri m'mbiri ya US, ena amachenjeza kuti mwina nkhondoyo sitha. Lamlungu, Secretary of State Tony Blinken adawonekera Pezani Nkhani ndipo adakambirana za kuthekera kwa US kupitiliza kulimbana ndi Afghanistan asitikali atachoka.
ZOLEMBA OF STATE Anthony BLINKEN: Tili ndi mwayi padziko lonse lapansi, kuphatikiza ku Afghanistan, kuti titenge - kuti tipeze ndikuchita ziwonetsero motsutsana ndi zigawenga zomwe zikufuna kutipweteka. Ndipo monga mukudziwira, m'maiko ndi mayiko, kuphatikiza malo ngati Yemen, monga Somalia, madera akulu aku Syria, Libya, malo omwe tilibe nsapato pansi mosalekeza, tili ndi mwayi wotsatira anthu omwe akuyesera kutichitira zoipa. Tidzakhalabe ndi mphamvu ku Afghanistan.
AMY GOODMAN: Kubwerera mu April, The New York Times inanena United States ikuyembekezeredwa kupitilizabe kudalira mawu akuti, "kuphatikiza kopanda chinsinsi magulu ankhondo apadera, makontrakitala a Pentagon ndi akatswiri obisika" mkati mwa Afghanistan. Sizikudziwika bwino momwe malingalirowa asinthira kutsatira kulanda kwa Taliban.
Pazambiri, tili ku Chicago ndi Kathy Kelly yemwe wakhala akumenyera nkhondo kwanthawi yayitali. Adasankhidwa kuti adzalandire Mphotho Yamtendere ya Nobel mobwerezabwereza. Amapita ku Afghanistan maulendo angapo.
Kathy, tilandireni Demokarase Tsopano! Kodi mungayambire poyankha zomwe zikutamandidwa munyuzipepala yaku US pomwe nkhondo yayitali kwambiri m'mbiri ya US yatha?
KATHU KELLY: Ann Jones nthawi ina adalemba buku lotchedwa Nkhondo Siidatha Pomwe Zatha. Zachidziwikire, kwa anthu aku Afghanistan, omwe adazunzidwa ndi nkhondoyi, chifukwa cha chilala chowopsa kwa zaka ziwiri, funde lachitatu la Covid, zowopsa zachuma, akuvutikirabe kwambiri.
Ndipo drone ikumenyedwa, ndikuganiza, ndi chisonyezo chakuti - izi zikuchitika posachedwa kwambiri, kuti United States sinatheretu cholinga chawo chogwiritsa ntchito zomwe amachitcha kuti mphamvu ndi kulondola, koma zomwe a Daniel Hale, omwe ali m'ndende tsopano , yawonetsa kuti 90% ya nthawiyo sinakhudze omwe akukhudzidwa. Ndipo izi zidzapangitsa zilakolako zambiri zobwezera ndi kubwezera komanso kukhetsa magazi.
JUAN GONZALEZ: Ndipo, Kathy, ndimafuna kukufunsa, potengera izi - ukuganiza kuti anthu aku America apeza maphunziro abwino kwambiri kuchokera ku zoopsa izi ku Afghanistan, kugonjetsedwa kumeneku kwa United States ndi ntchito zake? Titawona tsopano kwa zaka 70 asitikali ankhondo aku US akugwira ntchitoyi, kuyambira Korea mpaka Vietnam kupita ku Libya mpaka - ma Balkan ndi chinthu chokha chomwe US itha kunena kuti ndi chigonjetso. Pakhala pali tsoka pambuyo pa tsoka, tsopano Afghanistan. Kodi mungaphunzire chiyani kuti anthu athu atengepo paziwonetserozi?
KATHU KELLY: Chabwino, Juan, mukudziwa, ndikuganiza kuti mawu a Abraham Heschel amagwiranso ntchito: Ena ali ndi mlandu; onse adzayankha mlandu. Ndikuganiza kuti aliyense ku United States komanso mdziko lililonse lomwe lakhalira ndikulanda Afghanistan akuyenera kubwezera ndikufunitsitsa izi, osati kubweza ndalama zakuwononga koopsa komwe kudachitika, komanso kuthana ndi machitidwe omwe mudangotchulawo omwe adasewera kumayiko osiyanasiyana, machitidwe ankhondo omwe akuyenera kupatula ndikuwachotsa. Ili ndiye phunziro lomwe ndikuganiza kuti anthu aku US akuyenera kuphunzira. Koma, mukudziwa, panali kufotokozedwa kambiri m'masabata awiri apitawa ndi ofalitsa ambiri aku Afghanistan kuposa zomwe zakhala zikuchitika mzaka 20 zapitazi, motero anthu sakutetezedwa ndi atolankhani pomvetsetsa zotsatira za nkhondo zathu.
AMY GOODMAN: Simuli mu bizinesi, Kathy, woyamika apurezidenti aku US pankhani yankhondo. Ndipo uyu anali Purezidenti wa US pambuyo pake, ndikuganiza, osachepera, kwathunthu. Kodi mukuganiza kuti Biden anali ndi kulimba mtima pandale, mpaka pomwe, pagulu, gulu lomaliza la US, chithunzi chomwe chatumizidwa ndi Pentagon, ndi wamkulu akukwera onyamula komaliza ndikunyamuka?
KATHU KELLY: Ndikuganiza kuti Purezidenti Biden akananenanso kuti apita kukamenyana ndi United States Air Force yopempha $ 10 biliyoni kuti athetse ziwopsezo, zomwe zikadakhala mtundu wolimba mtima wandale womwe tiyenera kuwona. Tikufuna purezidenti yemwe angalimbane ndi makampani omwe amenya nawo nkhondo omwe amapanga mabiliyoni ambiri pogulitsa zida zawo, nati, "Tatha zonse." Ndiwo mtundu wolimba mtima pandale womwe timafunikira.
AMY GOODMAN: Ndipo kuwukira kwakanthawi, kwa anthu omwe sadziwa dzinali, tanthauzo lake, momwe US yakhazikitsira nkhondo ku Afghanistan tsopano kuchokera kunja?
KATHU KELLY: $ 10 biliyoni yomwe US Air Force idapempha ipitiliza kuyang'anira ma drone komanso kuwononga kuchuluka kwa ma drone komanso kuchuluka kwa ndege ku Kuwait, ku United Arab Emirates, ku Qatar komanso mndege komanso pakati pa nyanja. Chifukwa chake, izi zipangitsa kuti United States ipitilizebe kuukira, nthawi zambiri anthu omwe sanazunzidwe, komanso kunena ku mayiko ena onse m'derali, "Tidakali pano."
AMY GOODMAN: Tikukuthokozani, Kathy, kwambiri chifukwa chokhala nafe. Masekondi khumi pakubweza. Zingawoneke bwanji, mukamati US ili ndi ngongole ndi anthu aku Afghanistan?
KATHU KELLY: Ndalama zochulukirapo zomwe US ndi zonse NATO mayiko mwina ndi akaunti yoperekera, zomwe sizingakhale motsogozedwa kapena kugawa United States. United States yawonetsa kale kuti sangachite izi popanda ziphuphu komanso kulephera. Koma ndikuganiza kuti tiyenera kuyang'ana ku UN ndi magulu omwe ali ndi mbiri yokhoza kuthandizadi anthu ku Afghanistan, kenako ndikubwezeretsanso pothetsa nkhondo.
AMY GOODMAN: Kathy Kelly, womenyera ufulu wakale komanso wolemba, m'modzi mwa omwe adayambitsa Voices ku Wilderness, pambuyo pake Voices for Creative Nonviolence, komanso wogwirizira wa kampeni ya Ban Killer Drones komanso membala wa World Beyond War. Wapita ku Afghanistan pafupifupi 30.
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