Wotchedwa Oscar-Wosankhidwa Wotchuka James Cromwell Akulankhula Pamsanafike Ndende Nthawi Yotsutsa Amtendere Wotsutsana ndi Fracking

AMY GOODMAN: Osakatulidwa ndi Oscar, dzina lake James Cromwell, akulembera kundende ku 4: 00 madzulo nthawi ya kum'maŵa lero kumpoto kwa New York, atapatsidwa chigamulo cha mlungu umodzi chifukwa chochita nawo chionetsero chotsutsana ndi chitsamba chamagetsi. Cromwell akuti adzalowanso njala. Iye ndi mmodzi mwa anthu asanu ndi amodzi omwe amangidwa chifukwa choletsa magalimoto pamalowa kunja kwa malo omanga a 650-megawatt chomera ku Wawayanda, New York, kumtunda, December 2015. Otsutsawo amanena kuti chomeracho chimalimbikitsa gasi lachilengedwe kumadera oyandikana nawo ndikuthandizira kusintha kwa nyengo.

James Cromwell amadziŵika kwambiri ndi maudindo ake m'mafilimu ena a 50 Hollywood, osankhidwa kukhala Oscar mkati kamwana, komanso ma TV angapo, kuphatikizapo Mapazi asanu ndi limodzi. Ndinayankhula naye Lachinayi pamodzi ndi mmodzi wa otsutsa omwe akupita kundende masiku ano, Pramilla Malick, yemwe anayambitsa chitetezo cha Orange County, gulu la anthu lomwe likutsogolera kutsogolo kwa magetsi opangidwira gasi. Anathamanga ku 2016 ku Senate ya dziko la New York. Ndinayamba ndikufunsa James Cromwell za chifukwa chake akupita kundende masiku ano.

JAMES KUKHALA: Tonsefe, takhala tikulimbana, osati kuteteza njira ya moyo, koma kuteteza moyo wokha. Mabungwe athu ali osokonekera. Atsogoleri athu ndi omveka. Ndipo anthu ambiri amadandaula ndi kusokonezeka ndi ndondomeko yonse. Pali mgwirizano wapakati pakati pa chomera mu Ministryink-

AMY GOODMAN: Kodi Utumiki Wawo Ali Kuti?

JAMES KUKHALA: Mu Wawayanda. Ali kumpoto kwa New York. Amazitcha kumtunda. Sali patali kuposa malire a New Jersey. Pakati pa zomera ndi Middle East. Tili pankhondo osati ku Iraq ndi Syria ndi Afghanistan komanso Yemen. Tili kumenyana ndi Dimock, Pennsylvania, kumene gasi imachokera, ndi Wawayanda, omwe amagwiritsa ntchito mpweyawu, ndi Seneca Lake, komwe iyenera kusungidwa, ndi Standing Rock.

Ndipo ndi nthawi, makamaka, kutchula matendawa. Anthu ambiri sangathe kuyika chala chawo pa chifukwa chake, koma aliyense amazindikira kuti akuwopsyeza. Capitalism ndi khansara. Ndipo njira yokhayo yogonjetsera khansara iyi ndikutenga kwathunthu, kusintha miyoyo yathu njira yeniyeni ndi njira yathu yolingalira tokha. Ndipo ine ndikuyitcha kuti kusintha kwakukulu kusinthika. Kotero uwu ndi kusintha.

NERMEEN SHAIKH: Choncho, fotokozani chomwe chiyanjano chiri. Inu mumati, "Chikhalidwe chaumphawi" ndicho chomwe chimayambitsa zomwe zikuchitika, US akuchita, ku Middle East, ndi zomwe zikuchitika kumtunda kwa New York ndi Standing Rock ndi zina zotero.

JAMES KUKHALA: Chomera ichi chimamangidwa ndi kampani yomwe cholinga chake ndicho kupanga phindu. Palibe chifukwa cha magetsi, ndipo njira yomwe mphamvu ikupangidwira ndi yopanda moyo m'deralo. Ndipo tsopano, ndiwo mudzi wautali kwambiri, chifukwa udzakhudza ngakhale anthu a ku New York. Zonse za ultrafine particulate zomwe zimachokera ku smokestacks awa potsirizira zimakwera ku New York City. Kotero aliyense akukhudzidwa.

Tsopano, izi zachitika chifukwa tikufuna kukhala ndi ufulu wodziyimira pawokha. Mphamvu zomwe timayesa kudziyimira pawokha ndi gasi ndi mafuta omwe amachokera ku Middle East. Middle East itayamba kupita kumaboma ambiri a demokalase, United States boma ndi maboma ena, Britain, France, maulamuliro onse atsamunda, adati, "Ayi, ayi, ayi. Simukuyang'ana ku demokalase, chifukwa ngati mupita ku demokalase, muopseza mwayi wathu wopeza mphamvu zanu. ” Ndipo kotero, adayipsa, m'njira zawo zoyipa.

Ndipo potsiriza, izo zinatsogolera ku_ife tinalenga ISIS. Ife, Achimereka, tinalengedwa ISIS, kuti timenyane ndi chinthu china-kulakwitsa komwe tinapanga ndi mujahideen ku Afghanistan. Ndipo izi ndikuteteza zofuna zathu. Ngati muyang'ana Bambo Tillerson, Bambo Tillerson akukhala ndi ndalama zokwana madola trillion madola a Russia. Ndipo kotero, iye ali-

AMY GOODMAN: Pamene iye anali CEO ya ExxonMobil.

JAMES KUKHALA: Pamene iye anali CEO, yomwe idakali pano. Zikhoza kumakhudza gulu lake. Iye akhoza kukhudza kampani yake, mwamsanga pamene lamulo lichotsedwa. Kotero, ndikunena kuti pali kugwirizana, pamene mumayankhula za mphamvu. Mphamvu zimafunikira padziko lonse lapansi ndipo zimapangidwa m'malo ena okha. Ife tsopano timapereka mphamvu mwa kuwombera dziko lapansi ndi kutenga gasi ya methane, yomwe imakhala yopanda thanzi kuti ikhale yathanzi. Ndipo ife timatumiza izo kupyolera mu mapaipi. Cholinga chachikulu cha izo, komabe, sichikuthandizani chomera. Ndikutumiza ku Canada kuti azikweza, komwe angapindule kasanu ndi kamodzi potsatsa gasi kusiyana ndi momwe angathere ku United States.

AMY GOODMAN: Kotero, ndikuloleni ndikufunseni zomwe zinachitika pafupifupi zaka ziwiri zapitazo. Ndikutanthawuza, mukupita kundende tsopano, koma zomwe mudachita ndi June 2015. Tiuzeni kumene mudapita ndi zomwe munachita.

JAMES KUKHALA: Takhala ndikutsutsanako kutsogolo kwa mbewuyi yomwe yakhala ikukumangidwa kwa zaka ziwiri ndi theka zapitazo. Ndipo mpaka kufika pamtima-anthu ambiri omwe amapititsa patsogolo nyanga zawo kuti awathandize, koma palibe chomwe chinachitika. Tinayesa-

AMY GOODMAN: Ndipo ichi ndi chomera-

JAMES KUKHALA: Ndi chomera, chomera chosokoneza mphamvu cha mpweya, chomwe chimatanthauza kuti amalowetsa mafuta kuchokera ku Pennsylvania.

AMY GOODMAN: Ndipo iwo ali?

JAMES KUKHALA: Chabwino, ndi-izi ndi-

AMY GOODMAN: Kampaniyo ndi?

JAMES KUKHALA: Mpikisano Mphamvu Ventures ikumanga chomera.

AMY GOODMAN: CPV.

JAMES KUKHALA: Koma pali Penile ya Millennium, yomwe Pramilla amadziwa zambiri zokhudza, yemwe ali nacho ichi. Ndili ndi makampani akuluakulu atatu: Mitsubishi, GE ndi Credit Suisse. Tsopano, mayiko akuluakulu atatuwa angakonde bwanji chomera, chomera chomera, ngakhale chowononga? Chimene iwo ali nacho chidwi, ndizo zowonjezereka za zomera zofanana za 300. Ngati chomerachi chimamangidwa ndikupezeka pa intaneti, palibe chifukwa chokhalira ndi zomera zambiri. Tikukhulupirira kuti izi ziyenera kuimitsidwa, ngati mukufuna kusiya zonse zowonjezera zowonongeka za hydrofracking ndi zotsatira zake pa chilengedwe chathu.

AMY GOODMAN: Ndiye inu munachita chiyani?

JAMES KUKHALA: Ife tinabwera ndi lingaliro loti tizilumikizana tokha palimodzi. Tinadzimangiriza pamodzi ndi zithunzithunzi za njinga, ndipo tinatseka pakhomo la chomera pafupi-malinga ndi mlandu, za maminiti a 27. Ndipo woweruza ndi woweruza ankawoneka kuti zikutanthauza kuti sizinapangitse konse kusiyana kwa zomwe zinachitika ndi zomera. Koma zimapangitsa kusiyana. Chomwe tikuyesera kutuluka ndicho uthenga wakuti iyi ndi chitsanzo chimodzi, koma zikuchitika kuzungulira dziko lino komanso kuzungulira dziko lonse lapansi. Akulimbana nawo ku England. Iwo akulimbana nawo konsekonse pa dziko.

NERMEEN SHAIKH: Kotero, Pramilla, kodi mungathe kufotokozera za zomera, momwe munagwirizirapo, kuti chomera ichi chikugwiritsidwa ntchito ndi chiyani chomwe chimagwira ntchito, ngati chimamangidwa?

PR FamilyLA MALICK: Kotero, iyi ndi chomera cha gasi cha 650-megawatt chosweka. Zidzakhala ndi zitsime zana mpaka 150 zowonongeka pachaka. Kotero ife tikudziwa kuti, mu Pennsylvania, pali_kufa kwa makanda kumafa. Khansa ikukula. Akalifers akuyipitsidwa. Koma pamodzi ndi izo, thanzi limakhudza kuyenda pamsewu wazitsulo. Kotero ndimakhala pafupi ndi malo osokoneza bongo, ndipo tawonetsa kale zovuta zaumoyo m'mudzi mwathu, mu Ministerink, wa nosebleeds, mutu, mphutsi, zizindikiro za ubongo.

AMY GOODMAN: Ndipo izi ndi zotsatira zake?

PR FamilyLA MALICK: Kuwonetsedwa kwa siteshoni ya gas compressor yosokoneza, station ya compressor ya Minisink. Ndipo izi zinalembedwa ndi gulu la asayansi. Kotero, mukudziwa, lusoli ndi latsopano, ndipo anthu ayamba-asayansi akuyesa kuyesa kumvetsetsa zomwe zikuchitika. Koma kumidzi yakutsogolo, ngati yathu, timachimva. Ife tikuziwona izo. Tikudziwa kuti pali thanzi labwino. Ndipo-

AMY GOODMAN: Ndipo kotero, mwakhala bwanji mukutsutsidwa ndi June 2015 mboni, ndipo munachita chiyani kwenikweni?

PR FamilyLA MALICK: Chabwino, inenso ndinatseka, ndi James Cromwell ndi Madeline Shaw.

AMY GOODMAN: Ndipo Madeline Shaw ali?

PR FamilyLA MALICK: Iye ndi munthu wachikulire yemwe amakhala kumudzi. Iye akuda nkhaŵa kwambiri chifukwa amamva kuti akuyenera kuchoka kunyumba yomwe wakhalamo kuyambira 1949, ngati chomerachi chimamangidwa.

AMY GOODMAN: James anatchula Seneca Lake. Tsopano, kodi panalibe kupambana kwaposachedwa kwa akatswiri a zachilengedwe omwe anasiya malo osungirako kumeneko?

PR FamilyLA MALICK: Inde.

AMY GOODMAN: Ndipo izi zikugwirizana bwanji ndi zomwe mukuyesa kuimitsa?

PR FamilyLA MALICK: Eya, iwo anali ofanana kwambiri monga momwe ife tinaliri, motero kuti adagwira ntchito yowonongeka, kuitanidwa, kutsutsana, kudandaula kwa onse omwe adasankhidwa, ndipo sanapite kulikonse. Ndipo adayamba kusamvera. Ndipo ndikuganiza kuti izi zinapangitsa kuti kampaniyo ikhale yovuta kwambiri kuti iwononge ntchito yawo yosungiramo katundu. Koma mukavomereza chomera cha gasi cha 650-megawatt-ndipo ndikukumbutsa anthu kuti izi ndizozivomerezedwa ndi boma la New York, ndi Gavora Cuomo wathu yemwe adaletsa kugwedeza, kutchula zovuta za thanzi, komabe analandira chomera ichi zomwe zidzalimbikitsa ndi kudalira zitsime zambirimbiri zowonongeka pa moyo wawo wonse. Ife sitikusowa chomera ichi konse. Koma ndikumangidwanso.

Ndipo, mukudziwa, ndi pulojekiti ya biliyoni. Koma zidzatipangitsa ife, malingana ndi asayansi-ndipo chifukwa chake tinkakhala osamvera, ndipo tinakhala ndi mayesero omwe tinawabweretsera asayansi kuchitira umboni. Zidzakhala ndalama zokwana $ 940 miliyoni pachaka mu ndalama zothandizira zaumoyo komanso ndalama zogwirira ntchito komanso ndalama zina. Ndipo izi zidzatulutsa mpweya woipa wa mpweya woipa wa dziko ndi ma oposa 10 peresenti ya gawo lonse la magetsi a boma la New York.

AMY GOODMAN: James Cromwell, iwe ukhoza kulipiritsa zabwino, koma iwe ukusankha kupita ku ndende. Kodi iwe udzapita liti kundende? Ndipo n'chifukwa chiyani mukuchita izi?

JAMES KUKHALA: Tinaweruzidwa masiku asanu ndi awiri. Zili pamalingaliro amalo momwe tithandizire. Nthawi zina mumachoka chifukwa cha khalidwe labwino. Sindikudziwa. Ndikukonzekera masiku asanu ndi awiri. Zomwe ndidapangira zinali, sindingathe kufotokoza zopanda chilungamo zomwe ndikuganiza kuti zinali zolakwika pamutu komanso zophweka. Chifukwa chake, ndikuganiza kuti kupita kundende ndikofotokozera momwe tiyenera kukwezera masewera athu. Sichabwino kwenikweni kungotola ndi kupempha, chifukwa palibe amene akumvera. Momwe anthu amafalitsira uthengawu mumachita zosamvera anthu. Ndi zomwe Tim DeChristopher adachita, ambiri — anthu onse ku Standing Rock. Icho chinali cholinga cha Standing Rock. Kumveka kwa Standing Rock kunali akulu akulu - chifukwa ndinalipo - akulu akuti, "Awa ndi malo opempherera." Mwanjira ina, zimachokera mu mzimu wathu wamkati. Tiyenera kusintha mzimu wamkatiwu. Tiyenera kusintha ubale wathu wapadziko lapansi komanso anthu omwe akukhala padzikoli, kuphatikiza anthu omwe akutitsutsa. Chifukwa chake, ndikukhulupirira kuti, munjira yathu yaying'ono, ndiwo mawu omwe tikupanga. Ino ndi nthawi yokweza masewerawa. Ino ndi nthawi yoti tithane ndi zomwe zimayambitsa matenda athu.

AMY GOODMAN: Ndinkafunanso kukufunsani za momwe mumafotokozera za anthu omwe ali ndi vuto kutchula kuti capitalist monga khansara.

JAMES KUKHALA: Inde.

AMY GOODMAN: Zikumveka ngati mawu a a Edward Abbey akuti: "Kukula chifukwa chakukula ndi lingaliro la khungu la khansa."

JAMES KUKHALA: Yolani.

AMY GOODMAN: Kupyolera mu chilengedwe chanu, mukuyamba kugwirizanitsa.

JAMES KUKHALA: Inde.

AMY GOODMAN: Osati onse a zachilengedwe amachita. Kodi mungayankhepo pa izo?

JAMES KUKHALA: Sindingathe kuyankhulira akatswiri onse azachilengedwe. Ndikuganiza kuti mavuto onse-zinthu zonse zomwe zimatiyipa zimayambira. Ndife chikhalidwe chofuna kufa, potanthauza "imfa" kutanthauza kuti zomwe zimayikidwa-zomwe ndizofunikira-chilankhulo chomwe timalankhula ndichilankhulo chamsika. Chilichonse chimagulitsidwa. Chilichonse chimapangidwa. Ndipo zomwe zimachitika ndi-ndiyeno, muyenera kupanga phindu lochulukirapo, zomwe zikutanthauza kuti muyenera kupondereza ntchito. Muyenera kupondereza mtengo wazinthu zanu zachilengedwe. Muyenera kuwongolera magawo anu okopa, kuti China isamayende ndi mafuta onse aku Iran kapena Iraq. Ndipo, nthawi yomweyo, malingaliro amtunduwu amatsogolera ku mikangano yomwe timakumana nayo kulikonse.

Ngati tiyang'ana zina-ngati timavomereza kuti tili-chizoloŵezi cha mphamvuyi, chizoloŵezi chathu pa moyo wathu, zomwe timachita zochepa m'dziko lino, ziri mwa njira yina-tili ndi udindo. Ngati timavomereza udindo umenewo, zomwe sizowona ngati tilandira udindo umenewu, ndiye kuti tikhoza kusintha izi pozindikira chomwe tikusintha ndi momwe timagwirizanirana ndi chirengedwe, kuzinthu zina zomveka, kudziko lapansi . Tikuyang'ana panopa ngati nkhoswe komwe tingathe-tikhoza kugwiririra ndikugwirizanitsa. Ndipo si choncho. Pali kusintha kwa chilengedwe, ndipo taphwanya chiwerengero chimenecho. Ndipo ndi zomwe zikuwonetsa ku Antarctica lero. Zimasonyeza padziko lonse lapansi. Dziko lapansi likukhazikitsanso malire pa mtengo wathu.

AMY GOODMAN: Wopanga Oscar, dzina lake James Cromwell ndi Pramilla Malick, akupita ku ndende lero chifukwa cha kusamvera kwawo kosagwirizana ndi magetsi omwe amagwiritsa ntchito mpweya umene umagwiritsira ntchito gasi lophwanyika ku Orange County, New York. Ndinayankhula nawo Lachinayi ndi Nermeen Shaikh. Otsutsawo amayamba kugwira nawo ntchito kumanga, ndikudziponyera kundende.