Tiyeni Tibweze Ngongole Yankhondo Kwambiri

kuchokera The Intercept, June 18, 2020

Uku ndikulemba kwa gawo la Podcast Yotsimikizika wokhala ndi mlangizi wa mfundo zakunja kwa Bernie Sanders a Matt Duss ndi Mehdi Hasan.

UNITED STATES ili ndi bajeti yayikulu kwambiri padziko lonse lapansi, yokhala 15 peresenti ya ndalama zonse zachikhalidwe ndi pafupifupi theka la ndalama zonse zanzeru. Atsogoleri a magulu onse awiriwa alephera mobwerezabwereza kuti bajeti ya Pentagon ikhale pansi. Sen. Bernie Sanders waku Vermont akhala amodzi mwa mawu mokweza kwambiri ku Congress kukangana chifukwa chodula; mlangizi wake wamkulu zakunja, a Matt Duss, aphatikizana ndi Mehdi Hasan kuti apangitse ndalama zobwezera Pentagon.

Matt Duss: Nkhondo yapadziko lonse lapansi iyi, yopangitsa United States kumenya nkhondo yapadziko lonse, yadzetsa demokalase yathu, yadzetsa ndale kwambiri, ndipo yatulutsa zomwe tikuwona m'misewu yathu - zidatulutsa a Donald Trump!

[Nyimbo zingapo.]

Mehdi Hasan: Takulandilani ku Deconst Designed, Ndine Mehdi Hasan.

Sabata yatha, tidalankhula kupolisi. Sabata ino: Yafika nthawi yobweza usilikali?

MD: Kodi titha kusunga anthu athu otetezeka ndi zochepa zomwe tikugwiritsa ntchito pano? Ndizotheka.

MH: Ndiye mlendo wanga lero, a Matt Duss, mlangizi wamkulu wa zakunja kwa Senator Bernie Sanders.

Koma kodi kudula bajeti yakumenya nkhondo ku America, ikutenga Pentagon yamphamvuyonse, loto lamapaipi lomwe likupita patsogolo kapena lingaliro lomwe nthawi yake yatha?

Tiyeni tichite mwachangu mafunso.

Funso 1: Nyumba yayikulu kwambiri padziko lapansi ndi iti?

Yankho: Pentagon. Miyezi isanu ndi umodzi ndi hafu mamitala okwanira pansi pansi - katatu konse kukula kwa pansi padenga la State State. Ndikulikulu.

Funso 2: Ndani kapena wamkulu pantchito padziko lonse lapansi ndi ndani?

Yankho: Apanso, Pentagon, ili ndi antchito pafupifupi mamiliyoni atatu. Asitikali aku China amabwera pamalo achiwiri ndi antchito opitilira mamiliyoni awiri, ndipo Walmart ali wachitatu.

Funso lachitatu: Ndi dipatimenti iti yoteteza yomwe ili ndi bajeti yayikulu kwambiri padziko lonse lapansi?

Yankho: Mukuganiza, Dipatimenti ya Zachitetezo ku US, Pentagon!

Inde, ndi yayikulu pafupifupi m'njira iliyonse yomwe mungaganizire - yoposa zazikulu. Bajeti yakusankholi aku US tsopano ayima $ 736 biliyoni, zomwe zikutanthauza kuti Pentagon imawononga ndalama zochulukirapo podziteteza monga mayiko 10 otsatira padziko lonse lapansi! M'malo mwake, pafupifupi anayi mwa madola 10 aliwonse omwe amagwiritsidwa ntchito pazankhondo, padziko lonse lapansi, chaka chilichonse, amagwiritsidwa ntchito pazankhondo zaku US. Ndizopusa!

Wolemba nkhani: "Kubweza apolisi" achoka panjira yotsutsa kupita pamutu wankhani zokambirana kwambiri.

MH: Timalankhula zambiri masiku ano za kubweza ndalama zapolisi, ndipo zili choncho. Ndiye si nthawi yomwe tayankhulanso za kubweza ndalama ku Pentagon, kubweza ndalama zankhondo?

Monga momwe apolisi amawonongera ndalama zake, US ili mgulu la ndalama zankhondo payokha. Ndipo monga momwe apolisi akuwonongera, ndalama zankhondo zimalanda anthu aku America ndalama zomwe zitha kugwiritsidwa ntchito kwina.

Washington Post idanenanso chaka chatha kuti ngati US idawononga gawo limodzi la GDP yake podziteteza monga mayiko ambiri ku Europe, "ikhoza kupereka ndalama zothandizira ana onse, kuwonjezera inshuwaransi yazaumoyo kwa anthu pafupifupi 30 miliyoni aku America omwe alibe, kapena lipereka ndalama zambiri pokonzanso maziko a dziko. ”

Ndipo izi sizinthu zina zatsalira, zovomerezeka zokomera demokalase - lingaliro lodana ndalama zankhondo ndikugwiritsa ntchito ndalama kulipirira zinthu zina, zabwinoko, zopanda nkhanza. Umu ndi momwe Purezidenti wa Republican, Dwight Eisenhower, yemwe anali mkulu wapamwamba wamkulu, panjira, adalemba izi mukulankhula kwake kwa "Chance for Peace" mu 1953:

Purezidenti Dwight D. Eisenhower: Mfuti iliyonse yomwe imapangidwa, nkhondo yankhondo iliyonse yoyambitsidwa, roketi iliyonse yowombedwa imayimira, pomaliza, kuba kwa iwo amene akumva njala ndipo sakudya, iwo amene ali ozizira osavala.

MH: M'mawu ake omaliza a 1961, Eisenhower anachenjezanso zakusagwirizana ndi mphamvu zamphamvu zankhondo zaku US, zomwe nthawi zonse zimangofuna ndalama zambiri zodzitchinjiriza - ndi nkhondo zambiri:

DDE: M'makhonsolo aboma, tiyenera kusamala kuti tipeze zinthu zomwe sizinalembedwe, ngakhale zofunidwa kapena zosafunidwa, ndi gulu lazankhondo lazankhondo.

MH: Koma machenjezo a Ike adagwera pamakutu ogontha. Gawo lamtendere lomwe limayenera kuyambira kumapeto kwa Cold War silinatheretu. Pansi pa George W. Bush tinapeza Nkhondo Yapadziko Lonse pa Zowopsa. Ndipo a Barack Obama atha kubweretsanso ndalama zochepa paziwonetsero zodzitchinjiriza koma monga magazini ya Atlantic idanenera mu 2016: "Pulezidenti wake […] gulu lankhondo ku US lipereka ndalama zambiri kuzinthu zokhudzana ndi nkhondo kuposa izi anachita pansi pa Bush: $ 866 biliyoni pansi pa Obama poyerekeza ndi $ 811 biliyoni pansi pa Bush. ”

Lero, pansi pa Trump, United States ikuwononga zochulukirapo pa gulu lake lankhondo kuposa nthawi ina iliyonse kuyambira Nkhondo Yachiwiri Yadziko Lonse, kupatula mwachidule zakulanda kwa Iraq kumayambiriro kwa 2000s. Nkhondo yaku Iraq, njira, yatengera US kupitilira $ 2 thililiyoni, War on Terror, yonse, zoposa $ 6 thililiyoni, ndipo bajeti ya Pentagon, pazaka khumi zikubwerazi, akuti ikuyenera kupitilira $ 7 thililiyoni.

Chifukwa chiyani? Chifukwa chiyani mumawononga ndalama zambiri ku dipatimenti ya boma yomwe siingathe kufufuzidwa bwino, yomwe singayikire mabiliyoni ndi mabiliyoni a madola pakuwononga, omwe amachititsa zachiwawa zambiri komanso imfa padziko lonse lapansi - makamaka kufa kwa anthu akuda ndi anthu a bulauni m'malo ngati Middle East kapena Horn of Africa?

Ngati mumathandizira kubwezera ndalama zapolisi, ndipo woyambitsa mnzake wa Black Lives Matter Patrisse Cullors adapanga kuti nkhaniyi ikhale yabwino kwambiri komanso motsimikiza - pa pulogalamuyi, sabata yatha. Ngati mumathandizira kubwezera ndalama zapolisi, monga ine, ndiye kuti muyenera kuthandizanso kubweza ndalama ku Pentagon, kubweza ndalama zankhondo. Ndiwopanda ubongo.

Ndipo ndikunena kuti osati chifukwa cha a Tom Cotton onse, titumizire ankhondo, The New York Times op-ed, kapena chifukwa choti 30,000 National Guardsmen ndi apolisi asitikali okwanira 1,600 ndi ankhondo omenyera ana amabweretsedwa kuti adzathandize malamulo am'deralo kukakamiza - nthawi zambiri mwamphamvu - kukankhira kumbuyo ziwonetsero zotsutsana ndi tsankho m'dziko lonselo m'masabata aposachedwa.

Ndikunena kuti ndisiyira usilikari chifukwa ichi ndi malo achiwawa ku US, ndi bajeti yosalamulira, yovutitsidwa ndi kusankhana mitundu, komanso odzala ndi amuna okhala ndi zida omwe amaphunzitsidwa kuti awone anthu akuda komanso akuda omwe amakumana nawo kwina ngati chowopseza .

Kumbukirani: Nkhondo zakunja zomwe nkhondo za US zimenya sizingatheke popanda kusankhana mitundu, popanda malingaliro atsankho adziko lapansi. Ngati mukufuna kuphulitsa bomba kapena kuwukira dziko lakunja lodzala ndi anthu akuda- kapena ofiira, ngati gulu lankhondo la United States nthawi zambiri, muyenera kupanga ziwanda ndi anthu, kuwachotsa anthu, kuwuza kuti abwerera m'mbuyo akufunika kupulumutsa kapena kupulumutsa anthu ofuna kupha.

Kusankhana mitundu ndipo nthawi zonse kwakhala gawo lofunika kwambiri mu mfundo zakunja zaku US, ndiye kofunikira pankhaniyi. Ndikukumbukira mzere womenyawu womwe unachitika pomwe a Rodney King adamenyedwa ndi kamera ndi apolisi a LAPD mu 1991: "Ngati America ndi wapolisi padziko lonse lapansi, ndiye kuti dziko lonse ndi a Rodney King aku America."

Pakalipano, muli ndi asitikali aku US,200,000 150 omwe akuyandikira kutsidya lina kumayiko opitilira 800. Muli ndi magulu 80 ankhondo aku US am'mayiko 11. Zongodziyerekeza, mayiko ena 70 padziko lapansi omwe amakhalanso ndi mayiko ena akunja, ali ndi besi XNUMX pakati pawo - pakati pawo!

Ndipo kukhalapo kwa asirikali aku United States, inde, kwabweretsa mtendere ndi bata ku madera ena adziko lapansi, ndichititsa izi. Koma zabweretsanso kufa ndi chiwonongeko ndi chisokonezo m'malo ambiri padziko lapansi. Malinga ndi kafukufuku yemwe adachitika ku University University ku Brown chaka chathachi, anthu opitilira 800,000 aphedwa chifukwa cha nkhondo zomwe zinatsogolera ku US, ku Afghanistan, ku Pakistan kuyambira 9/11 - wopitilira gawo limodzi mwa atatuwa . Ambiri mazana zikwizikwi aphedwa mwadala chifukwa cha nkhondo zokhudzana ndi gulu lankhondo laku US - kuchokera ku matenda, mavuto amchimbudzi, kuwonongeka kwa zomangamanga.

Kuno ku US, Kumanzere osachepera, timalankhula molondola za kuwombera mwankhanza komanso mopanda tanthauzo kuphedwa kwa apolisi ndi kupha munthu wopanda mfuti. Tikudziwa mayina a Walter Scott, ndi Eric Garner, ndi Philando Castile, ndi Tamir Rice, ndipo, zoona, tsopano, George Floyd. Zachisoni, komabe, sitikudziwa mayina a amuna, akazi, ndi ana, omwe anaphedwa mwankhanza komanso mosavomerezeka ndi asitikali aku US atapha anthu ambiri m'malo ngati Shinwar, Kandahar, ndi Maywand ku Afghanistan; kapena malo monga Haditha, Mahmoudiya, ndi Balad ku Iraq. Sitikudziwa mayina a anthu aku Afghanistan omwe akuzunzidwa kundende ya Bagram Air Base ku Afghanistan, kapena a Iraq akuzunzidwa kundende ya Abu Ghraib ku Iraq.

Okhometsa msonkho ku US adalipira kuti azunzidwe komanso kuphedwa kumene; timalipira nkhondo zosalekeza izi - kwa gulu lankhondo lozikika, koma loipa koma lomwe likuwonjezereka - komabe tikufunsa mafunso ochepa pa izi. Mutha kunena kuti kubweza ndalama zankhondo ndi ntchito yofunika changu komanso yofunika kuposa kubweza ngongole kwa apolisi - ndipo ndi mlandu wotseguka komanso wotsekedwa. Mulimonse, mwa lingaliro langa, kubwezera apolisi ndi kubwezera ndalama zankhondo kumayenderana.

[Nyimbo zingapo.]

MH: Komabe kutenga bajeti yakukweza ya Pentagon, kuyitanitsa kuti ndalama za US zichitike, ndi imodzi mwazosangalatsa ku Washington DC; akunena kuti zosasunthika m'tawuni momwe ma Democrat ambiri amakhala kumbuyo kwa ma Republican ndikuvota pakuwonjezeka kwakukulu kwa ndalama zogwiritsira ntchito chitetezo, chaka ndi chaka.

Wandale wina wakusiyana ndi ena ambiri pankhaniyi: a Bernie Sanders, senate wakuyimira pawokha ku Vermont, wothamanga nawo pa mpikisano wokalandira zisankho za demokalase mu 2016 komanso 2020, yemwe ndi m'modzi mwa mamembala ochepa a Congress kuti okongola kuvota mosasinthasintha kuwonjezerera ku bajeti yoteteza.

Apa akulankhula chaka chatha pamsonkhano pachimake makamaka:

Senema Bernie Sanders: Koma sikuti ndi Wall Street kokha komanso makampani opanga mankhwala ndi makampani a inshuwaransi. Ndipo ndiloleni ndinene chinthu chokhacho chomwe anthu ochepa amalankhula, ndipo ndi ichi: Tikuyenera kutengera Gulu Lankhondo Lankhondo. [Omvera akumva mawu osangalala.] Sitipitiliza kugwiritsa ntchito $ 700 biliyoni pachaka pazankhondo [omvera omvera]. Tikufuna ndipo tikufuna chitetezo champhamvu. Koma sitiyenera kuwononga zochulukirapo kuposa mayiko 10 otsatirawa. [Omvera akumvera.]

MH: Mlendo wanga lero ndi a Matt Duss, mlangizi wamkulu wa zakunja kwa Senator Bernie Sanders. Matt adadziwika kuti athandizira Senator Sanders kulimbikitsa mfundo zake zakunja ndi malingaliro pakati pa kampeni ya pulezidenti ya 2016 ndi 2020, ndipo adachita nawo gawo lalikulu polimbana ndi boma la Netanyahu ku Israel kudera lolamulidwa ndi Palestine komanso boma la Saudi ku Yemen msonkhano wawo wankhanza wophulitsa bomba. Ndi purezidenti wakale wa Foundation for Middle East Peace, wotsutsa mwamphamvu zankhondo zakunja kwa US, ndipo alowa nane kunyumba ku Washington, DC.

Matt, zikomo chifukwa chobwera pa Dongosolo Lopangidwira.

MD: Ndili wokondwa kukhala pano. Zikomo, Mehdi.

MH: Kodi mukuganiza kuti wovotera wamba waku America akudziwa kuti ndalama zogwiritsira ntchito chitetezo zimapereka pafupifupi theka la ndalama zonse zosankha ku United States, kuti Pentagon imawononga ndalama zambiri kudzitchinjiriza kuposa mayiko 10 otsatira padziko lonse lapansi?

MD: Ndingayankhe kuti ayi, sakudziwa tsatanetsataneyo. Ndikuganiza kuti akudziwa kuti timawononga ndalama zochulukirapo, koma - ndikuganiza kuti sakudziwa, ndipo izi ndi zomwe Senator Sanders wachita ntchito yayitali kwazaka zambiri zikuwonetsa momveka bwino zomwe tingakhale kugwiritsa ntchito ndalama, mukudziwa, kagawo kakang'ono ka ndalama zopezera anthu aku America, kaya ndi nyumba, chisamaliro chaumoyo, ntchito -

MH: Inde.

MD: - maphunziro.

Ndipo ndikuganiza kuti ndiye zokambirana zomwe iye ndi ena otukuka akufuna kukhala nawo pakali pano, makamaka, monga momwe tikuonera, mukudziwa, momveka bwino m'miyezi ingapo yapitayi, poyang'anizana ndi mliriwu, momwe ndalama zathu zachitetezo zaka makumi angapo zapitazi zangokhala malo ambiri olakwika.

MH: Nthawi zina ndimaganiza kuti a America sangasamale kwambiri ngati Dipatimenti Yoyang'anira idabweranso kukhala Dipatimenti Yankhondo, monga idadziwika mpaka 1947 ndipo timakhala ndi mlembi wankhondo m'malo mwa mlembi wazoteteza.

MD: Ayi, ndikuganiza kuti pali china chake. Ndikutanthauza, mukudziwa, chitetezo ndichakuti, zachidziwikire, inde, amene safuna kudziteteza? Tiyenera kudziteteza tikamafunika kutero; nkhondo ndi nthawi yankhanza kwambiri.

Koma makamaka zaka makumi angapo zapitazi ndi Global War on Terror, bajeti yoteteza chitetezo yomwe ikukwera, ndikuwonjezeranso, ntchito zadzidzidzi zapanyumba zomwe zili zofunikira kwambiri, mukudziwa, thumba lokhalitsa la pachaka lomwe limakhazikitsidwa kuti likulole Dipatimenti Yoteteza ku US kuyendetsa zochitika zankhondo izi m'mabuku, ndi kungoika izi kumbuyo kwa ana athu ndi adzukulu athu kuti alipirire.

MH: Kodi ndi ndondomeko zochuluka motani za ndale zakunja zaku America, Matt, zomwe zimayendetsedwa ndi nkhondo yachilendo? Ndipo kuchuluka kwa zankhondo zimenezo kumayendetsedwa ndi kusankhana mitundu, mwa zina?

MD: Chabwino, ndikuganiza kuti pali magawo awiri a funso limenelo. Zonsezi ndizofunikira kwambiri.

Ndikuganiza, mukudziwa, pobwerera, Purezidenti Eisenhower, pochoka paudindo, anachenjeza mwamphamvu za kukwera kwa “Military Industrial Complex,” yomwe adayambitsa. Ndipo lingaliro linali, momwe mudawonera opanga chitetezo awa akukhala amphamvu komanso otchuka, ndipo mtundu uwu, mukudziwa, zomangamanga zomwe zimakula kuzungulira America, mukudziwa, kukula kwachuma padziko lonse lapansi, kuti zokonda izi zitha kukhala ndi mphamvu pa zomwe kupangidwa kwa ndondomeko zakunja zakunja kwa US ndi ndondomeko yoteteza ku US, ndipo ndinganene kuti izi zachitika, mukudziwa, m'zoipa kwambiri komanso zowopsa kuposa momwe ndimaganizira kuti ngakhale Eisenhower mwiniwakeyo adawopa.

MH: Inde.

MD: Mukudziwa, chidutswa chachiwiri cha izo - mverani, Amereka idakhazikitsidwa, mukudziwa, pang'ono pang'ono, mukudziwa, pa lingaliro la ukulu Woyera. Ili ndi dziko lomwe linakhazikitsidwa, ndi ukapolo - womwe unamangidwa kumbuyo kwa anthu akapolo aku Africa. Takambirana ndi vutoli nthawi yayitali; tikuchitirabe.

Takhala ndikupita patsogolo, mosakayika: Civil rights Movement, ufulu wovota, tasintha. Koma zoona zake ndikuti, izi zikuphatikizidwa kwambiri mchikhalidwe cha America, ndale zaku America, motero zimangomveka kuti zikuwonetsedwa mu ndondomeko yathu yakunja, mu ndondomeko yathu yoteteza.

Mukudziwa, nditanena izi, ndikofunikanso kuzindikira kuti gulu lankhondo laku US ndi limodzi mwazitsanzo zopambana komanso zoyambirira za kuphatikizidwa. Komabe, kuti tiyankhe funso lanu, ndikuganiza kuti tikuwona kusankhana mitundu kofananirana ndi mfundo zakunja zaku America ndipo izi zikuwonekera kwambiri ndi Global War on Terror, yomwe ikuwombedwa ndi zonena zabodza zokhudza Asilamu, za Aluya, inu. mukudziwa, kuwopa kumangoyang'ana zilizonse - chilichonse, chomwe chimapanga Shariya, mutha kuthamangitsa mndandanda, mukudziwa, izi, mukudziwa, mitundu iyi yabodza imanenedwa bwino kwambiri.

Ndipo ndikuganiza kuti ichi ndichinthu chomwe Senator Sanders adanenanso zambiri. Ngati mungabwerenso kwa iye, chidutswa chomwe adalemba mu nkhani zakunja kwa chaka chapitacho, pomwe adalankhula za kuthetsa nkhondo yosatha, osangomaliza zankhondo zazikulu izi zomwe takhala tikuchita zaka makumi angapo zapitazi, koma kumvetsetsa njira kuti, mukudziwa, Nkhondo Yapadziko Lonse Lapachaka, yopangitsa United States kumenya nkhondo yapadziko lonse, yawononga demokalase yathu; zadzetsa ndale za, zaumbanda kwambiri komanso zoponderezana, za anthu opanda mabungwe, ndipo zatulutsa zomwe tikuwona m'misewu yathu, zidatulutsa a Donald Trump.

MH: Eya.

MD: Mukudziwa, kumvetsetsa kuti izi, iye, a Donald Trump ndiwopanga izi, sindiye omwe amachititsa.

MH: Ndipo kuti tidziwike momveka, kwa omvera athu, mwatchula Senator Sanders. Monga membala wa Nyumbayi, anali wotsutsa pantchito yankhondo ku Iraq mu 2003. Koma adavotera kuwukira kwa Afghanistan mu 2001 -

MD: Eya.

MH: - zomwe zikadali ndi ife, nkhondo ya Afghanistan siyidathe, anthu ambiri adataya miyoyo kumeneko, akupitiliza kutaya miyoyo yawo komweko, magazi ndi chuma chochuluka, monga mawu akuti, atayika pamenepo. Ndikuganiza kuti akumva chisoni tsopano, kodi ndikunenadi zoona?

MD: Adanenanso kuti mu umodzi mwamavuto oyambilira, pomwe akuti, tsopano, akuyang'ana m'mbuyo -

MH: Inde, adayamika Barbara Lee chifukwa chokhacho chomwe amavota.

MD: Ndendende. Ndipo amayenera kutamandidwa kwambiri. Adali liwu limodzi yemwe anali ndi chidwi chotsogola [kuti] mwa kupatsa gulu la a Bush cheke chopanda kanthu kuti chichitike nkhondo yosatha, kuti tinalidi kupita ku gawo losaphunzitsidwa komanso loopsa. Ndipo iye anali wolondola mwamtheradi za izo; Senator Sanders wazindikira izi. Ndikuganiza, ochulukirapo, anthu tsopano akuzindikira izi.

Mutha kunena, pakadali pano, pambuyo pa 9/11, ndikuganiza kuti kudalipo, mukudziwa, kulungamitsidwa kwina, koyenda motsutsana ndi al Qaeda, koma kupanga tanthauzo lomalizira, mukudziwa, Nkhondo pa Zowopsa, ndi izi -

MH: Inde.

MD: - kuvomereza komwe kunali kosatha ndipo sikungonena kuti boma lingathe bwanji kuvomerezedwa, kwadzetsa mavuto m'dziko lathu komanso kwa anthu ambiri padziko lonse lapansi.

MH: Eya, panali nthawi iyi yomwe ndimakumbukira pamene Afghanistan inali nkhondo yabwino komanso Iraq inali nkhondo yoyipa.

MD: Kulondola.

MH: Ndipo ndikuganiza kuti tsopano tikuzindikira, zaka 19 pambuyo pake, kuti onse anali nkhondo zoyipa mwanjira zawo. Mukuwona kwanu, Matt, ndipo mwakhala mukugwira ndikugwira ntchito m'tawuniyi kwakanthawi, ndani kapena amene akuimbidwa mlandu wokhudza nkhondo yakunja yaku US? Kodi ndi lingaliro la hawjan? Kodi andale amangoyesa kuwoneka ovuta? Kodi ndikusokosera kwa Military Industrial Complex yomwe mudatchulayi, ndi a Lockheed Martin's ndi a Raytheon a dziko lino?

MD: Chabwino, ndikuganiza zonsezi pamwambapa. Ndikutanthauza, chilichonse cha zinthu izi chimachita gawo lake. Ndikutanthauza, inde, mukudziwa, tidayankhula kale za Military Industrial Complex, mukudziwa, zomwe titha kukulitsa, mukudziwa, kuphatikiza ndi Gulu Lankhondo Lankhondo-Ganizirani Tank; zambiri mwa izi zimaganizira zimathandizidwa ndi makontrakitala achitetezo, ndi mabungwe akulu akulu amitundu -

MH: Inde.

MD: - kapena, nthawi zina, mwa, mukudziwa, mukudziwa, maiko akunja omwe amafuna kutipangitsa kuti tizichita zigawo zawo ndikugwirira ntchito yawo. Ndiye kuti ndi gawo la zovuta.

Ine ndikuganiza pali mbali ya ndale, mukudziwa, mophweka, andale amawopa mwamphamvu kuti aziwoneka ofooka pa chitetezo kapena ofooka pakuchita mantha. Ndipo inu muli ndi mtundu wa makanema otulutsa mawu, makanema ogwiritsira ntchito mapiko akumanja, omwe adapangidwa kuti amalimbikira kuti, mosalekeza, mukudziwa, andale, mukudziwa, pa awo, pa awo, m'miyendo yawo, kuwopa kukhala ngati perekani mtundu wina wamtundu wina, wosiyana wankhondo.

Koma ndikuganiza kuti inunso muli nawo, ndipo ndikuganiza kuti panali anthu angapo, abwino kwambiri olembedwa motere: wina adalemba ndi Jeremy Shapiro, sabata ino mu The Boston Review, ndipo wina anali a Emma Ashford, a ku Cato Institute , mu nkhani zakunja masabata angapo apitawa, kuthana ndi vuto ili, mukudziwa, chomwe chimatchedwa blob. Ben Rhodes adalemba mawu oti, koma ndi tanthauzo wamba kuti, mukudziwa, nzeru zodziwika bwino zokhudzana ndi America, mukudziwa, gawo lamphamvu padziko lonse lapansi. Ndipo ndikuganiza kuti zidutswa ziwirizi zimagwira ntchito yabwino kuti mudziwike, mukudziwa, uwu ndi mtundu wamalingaliro opanga nokha omwe umapangitsa zokopa zina ndi mphotho kwa anthu omwe amawonetsa lingaliro ili popanda kutsutsa kwenikweni maziko a United Mayiko amafunika kupezeka padziko lonse lapansi; Tiyenera kukhala ndi magulu ankhondo padziko lonse lapansi, apo ayi dziko lingasokonekera.

MH: Ndipo ndi mkangano wosokoneza bongo.

MD: Ndendende kulondola.

MH: Monga Nkhondo Yankhondo idali yopanga, nayenso. Mukaona oyendetsa ndege akuwazunza - monga momwe amachitira m'malo ankhondo - akuwuluka pang'ono otsutsa aku Washington, DC, kuyesa kuwabalalitsa malinga ndi olamulira apamwamba ku Pentagon. Kodi sindiwo Nkhondo ya Zowopsa zokha yomwe ikubwera kunyumba, monga enafe tidachenjeza izi mosalephera?

MD: Ayi, ndikuganiza kuti izi ndi zolondola. Ndikutanthauza, kuti - ndiye kuti, takhala tikuwona izi kwakanthawi, tawona mapulogalamu awa omwe, mukudziwa, mwakhala, takhala tikuwononga ndalama zambiri zankhondo, asirikali ali nazo zonsezi zida, kenako amazisamutsa m'madipatimenti apolisi, m'madipatimenti apolisi amafuna, akufuna kuzigwiritsa ntchito.

Tikuwona apolisi ovala tsopano, mukudziwa, ovala zankhondo kwathunthu, ngati kuti akuyenda m'misewu ya, mukudziwa, Fallujah. Osanena kuti tikufuna kuti aziyenda m'misewu ya Fallujah. Koma inde, mwamtheradi - tikuwona iyi Nkhondo pa Chiwopsezo ikubwera kunyumba, tawona, mukudziwa, ndege za helikopita zikufuula otsutsa a Lafayette Square.

Ndipo, mukudziwa, mverani, apolisi aku America akhala ndi mavuto kwa nthawi yayitali. Ndikutanthauza, mavuto omwe tikuwona, mukudziwa, ziwonetsero zomwe zidadzachitike kuphedwa kwa George Floyd, awa ndi mavuto omwe amakhala pansi mwamphamvu ndikubwerera, mukudziwa, zaka makumi ambiri, ngati sizinachitike zaka zambiri. Koma ndikuganiza momwe momwe a War on Terror anenera izi, zadzetsa kwambiri gawo latsopano komanso lowopsa, ndipo ndikuganiza kuti ochita zachiwonetserozi -

MH: Inde, zomwe ndi

MD: - ayenera kulandira ngongole zambiri pakuwona izi.

MH: Ndi chifukwa chake, ndichifukwa chake ndinkafuna kuchita ziwonetserozi pamutuwu lero, ndikukhazikani, chifukwa simungolankhula za apolisiwo popanda chinyengo.

MD: Inde. Kulondola.

MH: Makona ankhondo ndizofunikira kwambiri kuti timvetse izi.

Ndikutanthauza, takhala ndi malipoti ankhondo pamayimidwe aposachedwa okonzeka kulowerera otsutsa, osati ndi bayonets, koma ndi zida zankhondo. Kodi sinkhani yayikulu bwanjiyi, ndikudabwa, nkhani yayikulu kwambiri? Kodi zokonda za Senator Sanders ndi ma Democrat ena okalamba pamsonkhanowu siziyenera kukhala zokakamiza kuti amve izi? Kaya asitikali aku America akupha moto nzika zaku America ndi zopolopolo?

MD: Ayi, ine, ndikuganiza ayenera kutero. Ndikuganiza ndikutanthauza, ngati tikufuna kulankhula za momwe Congress siyikuyankhira munthawi iyi momwe ziyenera kukhalira, ndikutanthauza, kuwonjezera pa mndandanda wazinthu.

MH: Inde.

MD: Koma ine ndikuganiza ife tawona, ine ndikuganiza kukankha kofunikira kwenikweni pa otsimikizira izi mwamtheradi zomwe Tom Cotton adasindikiza mu New York Times, ndikuganiza, pali -

MH: "Tumizani Mumiyala."

MD: "Tumizani Mu Zoyipitsa" - mtsutsano woyenera wonena ngati akuyenera kusindikiza izi. Malingaliro anga ndi The New York Times sayenera kupereka chisankho chake pamalingaliro amtunduwu; ngati mukufuna kudziwa zomwe Tom Cotton akuganiza, pali malo ambiri omwe angapite ndikusindikize izo. Si chinsinsi.

Koma ndikuganiza kuyankha ku izi, kuti timvetse zomwe anali kunena, kugwiritsa ntchito gulu lankhondo laku US polimbana ndi nzika zaku America m'misewu yaku America, ndikuganiza kuti mumvetsetsa izi, kutsutsana konseku kwafika patali kwambiri pa njanji.

MH: Ine ndikungodabwa, kodi iyi ndi njira yoyesera ndi kutenga anthu aku America, Achimereka wamba, kuti atenge zigwirizano za ndale zakunja, nkhondo zosatha, bajeti yopenga ya Pentagon mosamalitsa, pakuzigwirizanitsa ndi zomwe zikuchitika tsopano, m'misewu yawo?

Matt, ndimacheza ndi a Jamaal Bowman tsiku lina yemwe akufuna kuthana ndi Eliot Engel, yemwe ndi Wapampando wa Komiti Yogwirizanitsa Ndale Zakunja, ndikudziwa kuti abwera ndi abwana anu, ndi a Senator Sanders, pakati pa ena. Ndipo ine ndi ine timalankhula za momwe zimavutira kutipeza mavoti kuti atenge nkhani za ndale zakunja - nkhondo zakunja, ngakhale - mozama. Anthu ambiri aku America, zomveka, amakhala okhudzidwa ndi zovuta zapabanja. Kodi mungawathandize bwanji kuti azitsata mfundo zakunja?

MD: [Amaseka.] Mukudziwa, monga munthu yemwe wakhala akugwira ntchito kwina kwazaka zopitilira, ndi zovuta.

Ndipo ndikumvetsa. Chowonadi ndi chakuti, anthu ambiri ali - amakhudzidwa ndi nkhani zomwe zimawonekera posachedwa. Izi ndi zomveka. Chifukwa chake inde, kupeza njira yolankhulirana ndi malamulo akunja mwanjira yomwe imawafotokozera, mukudziwa, anthu omwe ali, mukudziwa, ndikofunikira. Koma nthawi yomweyo, ndikugwirizana ndi inu kuti tiyesetse kugwiritsa ntchito mphindi ino ndikumvetsetsa momwe Nkhondo yathu ya Terror yabwerera kunyumba kwathu m'misewu yathu, ifenso sitikufuna kusokoneza, mukudziwa, zovuta zakuya zamphamvu zakukulira ndi kusankhana mitundu zomwe zikuwonetsedwa ndipo, mukudziwa, zomwe zikuyambitsa zachiwawa izi.

MH: Kodi sivuto, mwachilendo, kuti kwa ovota ambiri mfundo zakunja sichinthu chakutali komanso osati mwachangu, monga mukuti; kwa andale ambiri osankhidwa, ngakhale, ndondomeko zakunja ndi chitetezo zimawonekera makamaka kudzera mu prism yanyumba, mwanjira, mukudziwa, ntchito, mgwirizano, chitetezo, mavuto azachuma kunyumba zawo?

Ngakhale abwana anu, a Bernie Sanders, nawonso satero. Adadzudzulidwa ndi ena Kumanzere kuti abweretse, pazaka zambiri, ndalama zamagulu azankhondo ku Vermont chifukwa cha ntchito. Anathandizira kubweza a Lockheed Martin a F-35 Fighter Jets, ndikuganiza, omwe amatenga $ 1 thililiyoni, ndipo angapo a iwo amakhala ku Vermont, ndipo adatsutsidwa ndi otsala ku Vermont chifukwa cha izo.

Ili ndi vuto pa mauthenga, sichoncho? Kwa wandale wosankhidwa yemwe akufuna kuchita zosemphana ndi bajeti ya Pentagon, komanso akuyenera kuthana ndi ntchito komanso nkhawa zachuma kunyumba kwawo?

MD: Ndiganiza momwe ife, mukudziwa, kuti adachita izi ndipo ndikuganiza momwe ife tikuganizira motere: Tamverani, tikufunika chitetezo. Ntchito ndizofunikira, koma si - siyiyo nkhani yonse. Ndikutanthauza, pali, bajeti ndi yofunikira kwambiri.

Ndiye kodi tikufunika chitetezo? Kodi titha kusunga anthu athu otetezeka ndi zochepa zomwe tikugwiritsa ntchito pano? Ndizotheka. Sitifunikira kukhala ndalama zochulukirapo kuposa mayiko 11 kapena 12 otsatira padziko lonse lapansi kuphatikiza, ambiri omwe adachita nawo mgwirizano, pofuna kuteteza chitetezo ndi chitukuko cha anthu aku America.

MH: Eya.

MD: Chifukwa chake ndikuganiza kuti ndi funso loti ndizofunikira ziti zomwe tikuyika, zolinga zathu zenizeni ndi ziti zomwe tikugwiritsa ntchito pazankhondo, ndipo tikuyika patsogolo kwambiri zankhondo kuposa zomwe tikuyenera kukhala? Ndipo Senator Sanders amakhulupirira momveka bwino kuti takhala.

MH: Iye watero. Ndipo akhala akumveka bwino pa izi, ngakhale ambiri angatsutse F-35 Fighter Jet ndi chitsanzo cha kuwonongera kwathunthu kwa Pentagon.

Wakhala akuwonekeratu pankhani yonse ya bajeti. Mudanenanso kuti mudzawononga zochulukirapo kuposa mayiko 10, 11, 12. Ndikutanthauza, kuwonjezeka kwa ndalama mu 2018, mwachitsanzo, kuchuluka kwawokha, ndikukhulupirira, kunali kwakukulu kuposa bajeti yonse yoteteza ku Russia - kuchuluka kokha.

MD: Kulondola. Kulondola.

MH: Nanga bwanji osagwiritsa ntchito ma Democrat ambiri, Matt, bwanji osavota motsutsana ndi ziwonetserozi zowirikiza, zazikulu, zosafunikira ku bajeti yoteteza? Chifukwa chiyani, ndichifukwa chiyani ambiri amakonda kutsagana nawo?

MD: Chabwino, ndikuganiza kuti ndi zina mwazifukwa zomwe, mukudziwa, zomwe takambirana kale, ndikuganiza kuti pali nkhawa yodzijambulidwa yofewa pakudzitchinjiriza. Pali mtundu waukulu wachipembedzo kunja uko womwe umakhaliratu ndale ndi omwewo, ngati - ngati akuwoneka kuti sakugwirizana ndi zomwe amakonda, mukudziwa, makontrakitala achitetezo kapena ankhondo.

Ndiponso, pali zovuta zina, zokhudzana ndi ntchito, ndikuonetsetsa kuti, mukudziwa, ogwira ntchito ankhondo aku America amasamaliridwa. Koma, eya, ndikutanthauza, zakhala - zakhala zovuta kwambiri. Chakhala china chomwe a Senator Sanders akhala komweko kwa nthawi yayitali, akumveketsa izi ndikuyesera kuti apititse anthu ambiri kuti avote motsutsana ndi ziwonetsero zazikulu zoterezi zomwe zikupitilira kukula. Koma akuwona kuti ena tsopano ali ndi chidwi chochulukirapo.

MH: Ndizosadabwitsa kuwona Democrat, kumbali imodzi, lambast Trump kukhala wodziyimira, ngati wolamulira mwankhakamira podikirira, ngati munthu amene akukhalira limodzi ndi Putin, ndikumupatsa ndalama zochulukirapo zankhondo, zochulukira komanso ndalama zambiri kuti ayambe nkhondo zatsopano. Ndizosadabwitsa kuwona izi zikuchitika, mtundu wa kusadziwako kwamanyazi.

Kungotenga bajeti yokha, yomwe ingakhale chiwerengero chabwino ku bajeti yoteteza ku US. Pakalipano, monga tidakambirana, ndizambiri, ndizochulukirapo kuposa mayiko 10 otsatirawa. Ndipafupifupi 40 peresenti ya ndalama zotetezera padziko lonse lapansi. Kodi munthu woyenera? Chifukwa, monga momwe mukunenera, Senator Sanders sikuti wogwirizira. Amakhulupirira kuti adziteteza mwamphamvu, amakhulupirira gulu lankhondo. Kodi kukula kwake kumakhala gulu lankhondo lolimba la US, mkuwona kwanu?

MD: Pakadali pano akugwiranso ntchito yokonza National Defense Authorization Act, yomwe ikukonzekera kukambirana pakali pano kusintha komwe kumadula, kuyamba, bajeti yodzitchinjiriza ndi 10 peresenti.

Kotero kuti, izo zikhoza kukhala ngati $ 75 biliyoni kuchokera, mukudziwa, $ 700 biliyoni, kapena mwina, $ 78 biliyoni, ya bajeti ya $ 780 biliyoni, yomwe ndi yopambana. Koma ngati njira yoyambira kunena, titenga 10 peresenti, ndiye tiziika kuti, tikupanga dongosolo la zothandizira pa maphunziro, ntchito, nyumba, madera omwe ali ndi - omwe ali ndi kuchuluka kwakukulu kwa anthu omwe akukhala mu umphawi. Ichi ndiye chiyambi, komanso ndi njira yonenera kuti apa ndi pomwe tikuyenera kuyika patsogolo. Awa ndi magulu omwe amafunikira ndalama izi.

MH: Ndine wokondwa kuti akuchita zimenezo. Ndipo ine ndikuyembekeza kuti tidzapanga njira ina.

Chifukwa chake ali ndi mwayi wogwiritsa ntchito ndalama zankhondo, koma Bernie akuwoneka kuti sakufuna kubwezera apolisi. Abwera mwamphamvu motsutsana ndi kusuntha kulikonse kuti athetse apolisi. Ndipo pomwe adauza New Yorker kuti, inde, akufuna, "kufotokozeranso zomwe mabungwe apolisi akuchita," chomwe ndi chinthu chabwino, akuwoneka kuti sakufuna kuchepetsa mabizinesi apolisi mwanjira iliyonse yabwino.

MD: Inde, ndikuganiza momwe adafikira izi ndikunena kuti tikufunikiradi kudziwa bwino za udindo wa apolisi m'madela athu. Zowonadi wakhala akuthandizira kwambiri ziwonetserozi; akudziwa kuti omenyera ufulu ndi owonetsa pamsewu achita mbali yayikulu kwambiri pakuwonetsa chidwi cha dzikolo pavuto lalikulu kwambiri la ziwawa za apolisi ndi ziwawa zosankhana mitundu komanso ukulu waukulu womwe dziko lathu lidakali kulimbana nawo.

Chifukwa chake adapereka malingaliro angapo omwe angasinthe momwe apolisi athu amagwirira ntchito mdera lawo: kuyang'anira kwambiri anthu wamba, mukudziwa, kuzindikira ndi kupatsa mphotho madera komanso kubweza ndalama, kwenikweni, apolisi omwe awonetsa kuti ali ndi vuto lenileni la nkhanza . Chifukwa chake sanalandire cholinga chobweza apolisi, ndikuganiza kuti adaika, wapereka lingaliro lalikulu kwambiri komanso lolimba mtima la momwe angapangire mopitilizanso zomwe apolisi amachita.

MH: Munatchulapo atsogoleri. Tatsala ndi miyezi yochepa kuchokera pa chisankho chachifumu. Wosankhidwa wa Democratic yemwe Bernie Sanders adasankha, yemwe Bernie Sanders amamuwuza mnzake, a Joe Biden, ndi amodzi mwa achifwamba odziwika ndi a Democratic Party. Munayankhulapo za blob kale; Ndikuganiza kuti Joe Biden ndi khadi yonyamula magazi. Kodi mukukhulupirira kuti tiwona kusintha kuchokera kwa Purezidenti Biden, pankhani ya nkhondo, Pentagon-yachilendo yakunja pankhani yakuwonekera kwa ankhondo aku US padziko lonse lapansi?

MD: Chabwino, ndikuganiza tawona kayendedwe kena kochokera ku Biden.

Choyamba, ndikutanthauza, inde, monga mukunena, inde. Ndikutanthauza, Biden, mukudziwa, tikudziwa malingaliro ake pa mfundo zakunja kubwerera zaka zambiri. Adathandizira Nkhondo yaku Iraq; Senator Sanders anali wotsutsa pamenepa. Koma ndikuganiza kuti ndikofunikira kudziwa kuti panali zochitika zina, makamaka pa nthawi ya oyang'anira a Obama, komwe Biden inali liwu lodziletsa, ngakhale tikulankhula za kufalikira kwa Afghanistan koyambirira kwa purezidenti wa Obama, kulowererapo kwa Libya - zomwe adasinthira ntchito yosintha maulamuliro, yomwe idayambitsa vuto lalikulu ku Libya, zomwe zikukhudzanso madera.

Chifukwa chake eya, ndikuganiza - mverani, sinditero - sindimachita izi. Ndikuganiza kuti Biden ndi watumbuka kuposa momwe amapitilira zambiri zomwe akufuna kuziwona. Koma ndi wina yemwe ndikuganiza kuti akutenga nawo zokambirana zomwe zikuchitika maphwandoli, mokulira, mdziko muno. Gulu lake lasayina padera ndi pagulu kuti akufuna azilankhula ndi mawu osukula pamayiko akunja. Ndipo, mukudziwa, Senator Sanders -

MH: Kodi afikira kwa inu?

MD: Talankhula, inde. Timalankhula pafupipafupi. Ndipo ine ndikuyamikira izo.

Ndiponso, ndingakonde kuwona kusunthika kwinanso kwa zina za ndalamazi. Ndikuganiza kuti tiyenera kuzindikira komwe Biden adasamukira. Ndikuganiza, mwachitsanzo, kudzipereka kwa gawo la Biden - komanso kwa onse omwe akuimira Democratic, panjira - kudzayanjananso Mgwirizano wa Nyukiliya wa Iran ndikuwona zokambirana zambiri ndi Iran ngati njira yobweretsera mavuto m'bomali, m'malo mwake pochita zomwe Trump akuchita, zomwe zikungobwezeretsa Saudis kuti ikumenye mu msonkhano wamayiko uno motsutsana ndi Iran. Ndikuganiza kuti tiyenera kuzindikira kuti ndi zabwino. Koma tikuyenera kupitiliza kugwira ntchito ndikupitiliza kukankhira.

MH: Pakhala pali kusuntha kuchokera ku Biden ku Saudi Arabia. Ndikuganiza kuti adamuyitanitsa pariah mu umodzi wazokambirana.

MD: Kulondola. Kulondola.

MH: Ndipo ma Democrat ambiri asamukira ku Saudi Arabia. Ndipo ndikuganiza kuti anthu ngati Bernie Sanders, abwana anu, ndi Chris Murphy, senator wa ku Connecticut, adachita mbali yayikulu kusuntha ma Democrats ku Saudi Arabia - kutali ndi Saudi Arabia - chomwe ndichinthu chabwino.

A Biden patsamba lake lachitetezo akuti "kuthetseratu nkhondo" ndipo amalankhulanso zobweretsa unyinji wankhondo kwawo, zomwe ndi zinthu zabwino kwa ine. Koma adatinso patsamba lake la webusayiti: "Tili ndi gulu lankhondo lamphamvu kwambiri padziko lonse lapansi - ndipo Purezidenti, Biden adzaonetsetsa kuti sizikhala choncho. Boma la Biden lithandiza kuti ndalama zithandizire kukonzekeretsa gulu lathu kuti lithe kulimbana ndi mavuto m'zaka zotsatira, osati omaliza. ”

Kodi sizikumveka kuti Purezidenti Biden akuchita chilichonse pothana ndi bajeti yoteteza ku US? Monga momwe mwatchulira, a Bernie Sanders akufuna kuti 10% idulidwe, kodi ndikuti mtundu wa chinthu cha Biden ubwerera m'mbuyo? Zimandivuta kukhulupirira.

MD: Ine sindikudziwa. Koma ndikuganiza yankho lokhalo ndikupitiliza kuwakakamiza pa izo - kulankhula nawo, kuwapatsa malingaliro pa izi. Koma kachiwiri, pamene Biden ayankhula za zovuta za zaka za zana la 21 lino, ndiko kutsutsana komwe tiyenera kukhalamo. Kodi zovuta izi ndi chiani ndipo United States imafunikira chiyani kuti ithandizire patsogolo chitetezo ndi chitukuko cha anthu aku America tikamayenda? kulowa nthawi yatsopanoyi?

Ndikutanthauza, tili kamphindi, ndipo ndikuganiza kuti izi ndizolimbikitsa. Ndikutanthauza, kwanthawi yoyamba pamoyo wanga, ndikuganiza, mphamvu zambiri - mphamvu zambiri zomwe tikuwona pamafunso okhudzana ndi ndondomeko zakunja zaku America, komanso chitetezo cha dziko la America, zikuchokera Kumanzere.

Tikuwona magulu angapo amawu komanso mawu omwe akutsutsa malingaliro awa, ndikuti: Mverani, tikuyenera kulingalira mozama momwe tikuwonera kuti tikhazikitsa chitetezo chathu, ndipo ndikuganiza kuti mliri wakhazikitsa izi mu njira yofunikira kwambiri, monga momwe ndidanenera, kuwonetsa kuti, onse, mukudziwa, mazana mabiliyoni a madola omwe takhala tikugwiritsa ntchito pazinthu izi, zida zamtunduwu, sizinateteze anthu aku America kuti asatenge kachilombo kameneka. Ndipo izi zikufunika kuyanjanitsa kwakukulu kwa zomwe tikutanthauza ndi chitetezo chathu.

MH: Ndiye pamawu amenewo, Matt, funso lomaliza. Panali chomata chakale cha Women and International Ufulu chakale cha Women, International Cold War kale m'masiku asanapite viral, asanachitike ma memes, koma chinali chomata kwambiri.

Ndipo ndinawerenga ndikuwerenga, "likhala tsiku lopambana pamene masukulu athu apeza ndalama zonse zomwe amafunikira ndipo gulu lankhondo ligulitse kugula kuti liphulitse bomba."

MD: [Amaseka.] Eya.

MH: Kodi tayandikira pafupi tsikulo? Kodi mukuganiza - mukuganiza kuti tiwona tsiku ngati ili m'masiku amoyo wathu?

MD: Mwinanso osati kugulitsa makeke, ngakhale ndikanafuna nditawona zina zomwe amapanga. Mwina zingakhale zokoma kwambiri.

MH: [Amaseka.]

MD: Koma ayi, koma ndikuganiza kuti ambiri - malingaliro ambiri ndiofunika. Ndimaganizidwe, imakambirana zofunikira: Kodi tikuyika ndalama zokwanira pamaphunziro a ana athu? Kodi tikugulira ndalama zokwanira posamalira zaumoyo, nyumba, ntchito? Kodi tikuwonetsetsa kuti anthu aku America samapita kukasokonekera pomwe, zikagundika nazo, mukudziwa, mwadzidzidzi zachipatala monga khansa kapena zinthu zina monga choncho.

Ndiponso, iyi ndi mpikisano wofunikira kwambiri womwe tili nawo tsopano pazomwe tikuwona kukhala zofunikira kwambiri? Kodi tikusamalira anthu athu, monga momwe tikuwonera nkhawa zenizeni za chitetezo?

MH: Matt, tiyenera kusiya pamenepo. Zikomo kwambiri pondiphatikiza pa Dongosolo.

MD: Zabwino kukhala pano. Zikomo, Mehdi.

MH: Awo anali a Matt Duss, mlangizi wamkulu wabungwe lina lakunja kwa Bernie Sanders, akukambirana za bajeti ya Pentagon komanso kufunika kochepetsa nkhondo zosatha komanso ndalama zankhondo zosatha. Ndipo taonani, ngati mumathandizira kuputa ngongole kwa apolisi, mukuyeneradi kuthandizira kubweza ngongole pazankhondo. Awiriwo amagwirizana.

[Nyimbo zingapo.]

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