Onye isi ochichi Trump na-aga n'ihu iyi egwu na mkpasu iwe megide North Korea, na-atọgbọ ala maka agha nuklia.

AMY GOODMAN: Nke a bụ Ndi ochichi onye kwuo uche ugbu a!, democracynow.org, Akụkọ Agha na Udo. Ami Amy Goodman, ye Nermeen Shaikh.

NERMEEN SHAIKH: Anyị na-atụgharị ugbu a na North Korea, ebe esemokwu na-aga n'ihu na United States. N'oge nleta otu izu na Eshia, odeakwụkwọ nchekwa James Mattis kwusiri ike na mkpebi diplomatic maka esemokwu dị n'etiti mba abụọ ahụ, ma dọrọ aka ná ntị na US agaghị anabata nuklia North Korea. Nke a bụ Mattis na-ekwu na Satọde n'oge nzukọ ya na onye otu South Korea, Song Young-moo, na Seoul.

agbachitere AKUKO JAMES MATTIS: Emehiela: A ga-emeri mwakpo ọ bụla a na-awakpo United States ma ọ bụ ndị anyị na ha jikọrọ aka. Eji ngwa agha nuklia ọ bụla sitere na North ga-ezute nnukwu nzaghachi agha, dị irè na nke ukwuu. … Apụghị m iche n'echiche ọnọdụ n'okpuru nke United States ga-anabata North Korea dị ka ngwá agha nuklia.

NERMEEN SHAIKH: Mattis bịarutere South Korea na Fraịde maka njem ụbọchị abụọ na mba ahụ, tupu ọbịbịa ya mechara n'izu a na mpaghara nke Donald Trump. Trump ga-aga China, Vietnam, Japan, Philippines na South Korea maka nleta ụbọchị iri na abụọ. Ndị isi ụlọ White House kewara ma Trump kwesịrị ịga na mpaghara Demilitarized dị n'etiti North na South n'oge njem ahụ, na-enwe nchegbu na nleta nwere ike ime ka egwu agha nuklia dịkwuo njọ.

AMY GOODMAN: Esemokwu dị n'etiti North Korea na United States na-etolite ka ọtụtụ ule nuklia na ogbunigwe nke Pyongyang na mkparịta ụka siri ike n'etiti Trump na onye ndu North Korea Kim Jong-un. Trump ekweela egwu ibibi North Korea niile, mba nwere nde mmadụ 25. Trump tweeted na ọnwa gara aga, "Nụrụ anụrị Mịnịsta Ofesi nke North Korea na-ekwu okwu na UN Ọ bụrụ na ọ kwughachi echiche nke Little Rocket Man, ha agaghị anọ ogologo oge!" Tweet Trump sitere na Mịnịsta Ofesi North Korea Ri Yong-ho kwuru na Trump nọ na "ọrụ igbu onwe." Ndị otu Democrats Congress na-akwali iwu ga-egbochi Onye isi ala Trump ibido mbuso agha megide North Korea.

Ọfọn, maka ihe ndị ọzọ, Christine Ahn, onye nchoputa na onye isi nchịkwa nke Women Cross sonyeere anyị DMZ, ngagharị zuru ụwa ọnụ nke ụmụ nwanyị na-agbakọ iji kwụsị agha Korea. O si Hawaii na-agwa anyị okwu.

Christine, daalụ maka isonyere anyị ọzọ Ndi ochichi onye kwuo uche ugbu a! Ị nwere ike ikwu maka njedebe nke nleta a nke Mattis na mmụba, ọzọ, nke esemokwu US-North Korea na ihe anyị nwere ike ịtụ anya ka President Trump na-aga mpaghara n'ime ụbọchị ole na ole?

Christine AHN: Morningtụtụ ọma nụ, Amy.

O yiri ka Mattis 'nkwupụta, karịsịa na DMZ, na US achọghị ịlụ ọgụ na North Korea, bụ ụdị nkwupụta okwu tupu oge eruo - tupu nleta Trump na Eshia, karịsịa na South Korea, ebe ọtụtụ ndị South Korea na-atụ egwu Donald Trump karịa ka ha na-eme Kim Jong-un. Na, n'ezie, a na-eme atụmatụ nnukwu ngagharị iwe. Enwere emume ncheta nke mgbanwe ọkụ kandụl n'izu ụka gara aga, na ihe karịrị òtù ọha mmadụ 220 kwupụtara na ha ga-eme nnukwu ngagharị iwe site na Nọvemba 4 ruo 7th na mba ahụ dum, na-ekwupụta na ọ dịghị agha, enweghịzi mmega ahụ agha, kwụsị brinksmanship, nke. O doro anya na ọ na-eyi ọtụtụ ndị mmadụ na South Korea egwu yana ọtụtụ ndị ka nwere ezinụlọ na North Korea. Ya mere, echere m na, ịmara, ọ bụ ụdị nzọụkwụ dị mkpa iji mebie ndị South Korea, n'ihi na, n'ụzọ doro anya, Trump ga-abata ma kwuo okwu mkpasu iwe. Echere m na nke ahụ bụ akụkụ nke nzọụkwụ ime nke ahụ.

Otú ọ dị, ihe anyị na-adịghị anụkarị na mgbasa ozi bụ na US ezipụla ụgbọ elu atọ na-ebu ụgbọ elu nuklia ka ha nọrọ na Peninsula Korea. Ha na South Korea na-eme ngagharị iwe na-akpasu iwe, gụnyere ndị agha Navy SEAL nke wepụrụ Osama bin Laden. Ha na-agụnye mkpọpu isi. Ya mere, ịmara, ọ bụ otu ihe ịsị, "Anyị achọghị agha na North Korea," na ihe ọzọ na-atọgbọ ntọala maka nke ahụ. Ma ọ bụghị naanị omume agha na-akpali agụụ mmekọahụ ka a na-eme, mana egwu. M pụtara, anyị na-aga n'ihu na-anụ egwu sitere na Trump Cabinet niile. Mike Pompeo, onye CIA Onye isi, kwuru na Defence Forum Foundation n'izu gara aga na a na-akpa nkata igbu ọchụ maka Kim Jong-un. HR McMaster kwuru, ị mara, nnabata na mgbochi abụghị nhọrọ. Ma Tillerson ekwuola nke ahụ, ịmara, anyị ga-ekwu okwu ruo mgbe bọmbụ mbụ dara. Yabụ, ị mara, nke a anaghị akpọ North Korea ka ọ banye na mkparịta ụka, nke bụ ihe achọrọ ngwa ngwa.

NERMEEN SHAIKH: Ọfọn, ị nwere ike ikwu ntakịrị ihe, Christine, banyere otú North Korea si meghachi omume? Ị kwurula na South Korea na US mere mmemme agha n'oge na-adịbeghị anya. Gịnị bụ nzaghachi North Korea na mmega ahụ? Ma enwere ihe mere ị ga-eji kwere na North Korea ka na-emeghe maka mkparịta ụka? N'ihi na nke ahụ abụghị echiche na anyị na-enweta ebe a na mgbasa ozi.

Christine AHN: Kpamkpam. Ọ dị mma, echere m na ọ dị mkpa iburu n'obi na anyị ahụbeghị ule ogbunigwe ọ bụla ma ọ bụ nnwale nuklia n'ihe fọrọ nke nta ka ọ bụrụ ụbọchị 38 site na akụkụ North Korea. Echeghị m na nke ahụ pụtara na ha agaghị aga n'ihu. Ha emeela ka o doo anya na ha na-aga n'ụzọ iji nweta ngwá agha nuklia - ị maara, a ICBM nke nwere ike itinye isi agha nuklia, nke nwere ike igbu United States. Ma, ị maara, ọtụtụ atụmatụ bụ na ọ ga-ewe ọnwa ole na ole ime nke ahụ.

Mana, ị maara, amaghị m ma ọ bụrụ na ị chetara, mgbe Trump gasịrị, ị maara, "mebie North Korea kpamkpam" okwu na UN, onye ozi mba ofesi North Korea, Ri Yong-ho, kwuru na, ị maara-na m chere na ihe merenụ bụ, n'ime izu ụka ahụ, ndị Amerịka fetere ụgbọ elu F-15 gafee ahịrị oke ugwu na oke osimiri. Nke ahụ mebiri kpamkpam, ịmara, nkwekọrịta na ahịrị ugwu ahụ ga-abụ akara nke agaghị agafe iji gbochie ụdị ọgụ ọ bụla. Ya mere, na nzaghachi na nke ahụ, North Korea ekwuola, "Anyị ga-akụtu ma kwatuo ụgbọ elu US, ọ bụrụgodị na ha anọghị n'ime orbit anyị ma ọ bụ n'ime anyị, ị maara, mpaghara mpaghara." Ya mere, ịmara, North Korea emeela ka o doo anya na ha ga-emegwara.

Yabụ, nyere na enweghị ọwa, n'ezie, ọwa gọọmentị — enwere ụfọdụ ọwa nkeonwe nke a na-eme, ị maara, mkparịta ụka 1.5 n'etiti ndị isi US mbụ na gọọmentị North Korea. Enweghị okwu na-eme n'ezie. Echere m na nke ahụ bụ ọnọdụ dị ize ndụ nke anyị nọ na ya, ị maara, mgbe a na-eme ule North Korea ọzọ, US ọ ga-adị njikere ịkụ ya? Ma nke ahụ ọ ga-abụ mmalite nke mmụba dị egwu?

N'ezie, ị mara, Congressional Research Service ka wepụtara akụkọ na Fraịde. Ha kwuru na n'ime ụbọchị ole na ole mbụ, a ga-egbu mmadụ 330,000 ozugbo. Ma nke ahụ bụ naanị iji ngwa agha nkịtị. Ma ozugbo ị gụnyere ngwa agha nuklia, ị maara, ha na-eme atụmatụ nde mmadụ 25. M pụtara, kedu ka ị ga-esi tụọ ọnụ ọgụgụ ndị mmadụ, karịsịa na mpaghara ebe Japan, South Korea, China, Russia, na ị nwere North Korea, doro anya, nke nwere ihe ruru 60 ngwá agha nuklia?

AMY GOODMAN: Christine-

Christine AHN: Ya mere—ee?

AMY GOODMAN: Christine, anyị nwere naanị 20 sekọnd, mana kedu maka arụmụka a ma Onye isi ala Trump ga-aga na mpaghara Demilitarized? Ihe nke a pụtara?

Christine AHN: Ọfọn, echere m na ọ chọghị ịga leta ebe ahụ. Echere m n'ihi na ị maara, nchịkwa ya na-echegbu onwe ya na ọ ga-eme ụfọdụ okwu mkpasu iwe nwere ike ịkpalite ndị North Korea n'ezie. Ya mere, ugbu a, echere m na ihe dị ezigbo mkpa bụ na enwere mkpokọta mkpokọta obodo na United States, nnukwu ngagharị iwe a na-eme atụmatụ maka Nọvemba 11th, maka ụbọchị Armistice, nke Veterans for Peace. na-

AMY GOODMAN: Anyị ga-ahapụ ya ebe ahụ, Christine Ahn, mana anyị ga-eme ya Part 2 ma bipute ya na ịntanetị na democracynow.org.