Los ntawm Jeremy Scahill, Cov kev cuam tshuam
Pulitzer nqi zog-winning Tus neeg sau xov xwm Seymour Hersh tau hais hauv kev xam phaj tias nws tsis ntseeg Asmeskas cov neeg txawj ntse hauv zej zog tau ua pov thawj nws qhov xwm txheej uas Thawj Tswj Hwm Vladimir Putin tau coj mus rau kev sib tw nyiag nkas txhawm rau txhawm rau kev xaiv tsa ntawm Donald Trump. Nws tau thuam cov koom haum xov xwm rau qhov tsis txaus ntseeg tshaj tawm cov lus lees paub ntawm US cov tub ceev xwm txawj ntse raws li qhov tseeb tsim.
Lub Intercept's Jeremy Scahill tham nrog Seymour Hersh ntawm nws lub tsev hauv Washington, DC ob hnub tom qab Donald Trump lub rooj sib tham.
Hersh denounced xov xwm koom haum raws li "vwm lub zos" rau lawv uncritical nce qib ntawm cov lus tshaj tawm ntawm tus thawj coj ntawm lub teb chaws txawj ntse thiab CIA, muab lawv taug qab cov ntaub ntawv ntawm dag thiab dag rau pej xeem.
Hersh tau hais thaum kuv zaum nrog nws ntawm nws lub tsev hauv Washington, DC, ob hnub tom qab Trump tau tshaj tawm tias "Txoj kev uas lawv coj tus cwj pwm ntawm Russia yog qhov npau taws heev," “Lawv tsuas yog txaus siab ntseeg cov khoom. Thiab thaum lub taub hau ntawm kev txawj ntse muab lawv cov ntsiab lus ntawm cov lus sib liam, es tsis txhob tawm tsam CIA rau qhov ua li ntawd, uas yog qhov kuv yuav tau ua, "lawv tau tshaj tawm qhov tseeb. Hersh tau hais tias feem ntau cov koom haum xov xwm tsis nco txog qhov tseem ceeb ntawm zaj dab neeg: "qhov twg lub Tsev Dawb tab tom mus thiab tso cai rau lub koom haum mus rau pej xeem nrog kev ntsuam xyuas."
Hersh tau hais tias ntau lub xov xwm tshaj tawm ua tsis tiav los muab cov ntsiab lus thaum tshaj tawm txog kev soj ntsuam kev txawj ntse tau tshaj tawm rau pej xeem nyob rau hnub poob ntawm Obama cov thawj coj uas tau tshaj tawm tias yuav ua rau kom tsis txhob poob siab tias Lavxias Thawj Tswj Hwm Vladimir Putin tau yuam kom nyiag nkas ntawm DNC thiab Clinton tus thawj coj phiaj xwm John. Podesta's emails.
Lub declassified version ntawm tsab ntawv ceeb toom, uas tau tshaj tawm Lub Ib Hlis 7 thiab tau tshaj tawm xov xwm rau hnub, liam tias Putin "txiav txim siab rau kev tawm tsam kev cuam tshuam hauv 2016 tsom rau Asmeskas kev xaiv tsa thawj tswj hwm" thiab "xav kom pab Thawj Tswj Hwm Trump txoj cai xaiv tsa thaum ua tau los ntawm kev tsis lees paub Secretary Clinton thiab tshaj tawm kev sib cav. nws tsis txaus siab rau nws. " Raws li tsab ntawv ceeb toom, NSA tau hais kom muaj kev ntseeg siab tsawg dua li James Clapper thiab CIA txog qhov xaus tias Russia npaj los cuam tshuam rau kev xaiv tsa. Hersh qhia txog tsab ntawv ceeb toom tag nrho ntawm kev lees paub thiab nyias ntawm cov pov thawj.
Hersh hais rau The Intercept "Nws yog cov khoom siv hauv tsev loj heev," Hersh hais rau The Intercept. “Kev ntsuam xyuas txhais li cas? Nws tsis yog ib National txawj ntse kwv yees. Yog tias koj muaj qhov kwv yees tiag tiag, koj yuav muaj tsib lossis rau rau qhov tsis txaus siab. Ib zaug lawv hais tias 17 lub koom haum sawv daws pom zoo. Oh tiag tiag? Tus Saib Xyuas ntug hiav txwv thiab Tub Rog Cua - lawv txhua tus pom zoo rau nws? Thiab nws tau npau taws heev thiab tsis muaj leej twg ua zaj dab neeg ntawd. Kev ntsuam xyuas tsuas yog kev xav xwb. Yog tias lawv muaj qhov tseeb, lawv yuav muab rau koj. Kev ntsuam xyuas tsuas yog qhov ntawd xwb. Nws yog kev ntseeg. Thiab lawv tau ua nws ntau zaus. "
Hersh kuj tau nug txog lub sijhawm ntawm US cov lus qhia luv luv ntawm Trump ntawm Russia hack kev tshawb pom. "Lawv tau coj nws mus rau tus txiv neej uas yuav ua tus thawj tswj hwm ob peb hnub, lawv muab cov khoom no rau nws, thiab lawv xav tias qhov no yuav ua rau lub ntiaj teb zoo dua? Nws yuav ua rau nws mus ceev - yuav ua rau kuv mus ceev. Tej zaum nws tsis yog qhov nyuaj ua rau nws mus ceev. " Hersh tau hais tias yog nws tau tshaj tawm zaj dab neeg, "Kuv yuav tau ua [John] Brennan rau hauv ib lub buffoon. Ib tug yapping buffoon nyob rau hauv ob peb hnub dhau los. Hloov chaw, txhua yam tau tshaj tawm tiag. "
Ob peb tus neeg sau xov xwm hauv ntiaj teb paub ntau ntxiv txog CIA thiab Asmeskas tsaus nti ops dua Hersh. Tus neeg sau xov xwm legendary tawg zaj dab neeg ntawm kuv tus Lai tua neeg nyob nyab laj teb, tus Abu Ghraib kev tsim txom, thiab cov ntsiab lus zais cia ntawm Bush-Cheney assassination program.
Nyob rau xyoo 1970, thaum Pawg Neeg Saib Xyuas Lub Koom Txoos tshawb xyuas CIA txoj kev koom tes hauv kev tawm tsam thiab kev tua neeg, Dick Cheney - thaum lub sij hawm tus pab sab saum toj rau Thawj Tswj Hwm Gerald Ford - tau thawb FBI mus tom Hersh thiab nrhiav kev foob tawm tsam nws thiab New York Times . Cheney thiab tom qab ntawd-White House Tus Thawj Coj ntawm Cov Neeg Ua Haujlwm Donald Rumsfeld tau npau taws heev uas Hersh tau tshaj tawm, raws li cov ntaub ntawv los ntawm cov peev txheej sab hauv, ntawm ib qho covert incursion nyob rau hauv lub Soviet dej. Lawv kuj xav ua pauj rau Hersh's Tshaj tawm ntawm kev ua txhaum cai hauv tebchaws los ntawm CIA. Lub hom phiaj ntawm lub hom phiaj ntawm Hersh yuav yog ua kom ntshai lwm tus neeg sau xov xwm los ntawm kev nthuav tawm kev zais zais lossis tsis sib haum xeeb los ntawm Tsev Dawb. Tus kws lij choj dav dav tsis kam Cheney qhov kev thov, hais tias nws "yuav muab ib daim ntawv pov thawj ntawm qhov tseeb ntawm tsab xov xwm."
Sean Spicer tus kws tshaj lij xov xwm hauv Tsev Dawb hu xov tooj rau tus neeg sau xov xwm thaum lub sijhawm hais qhia txhua hnub ntawm Tsev Dawb hauv Washington, Lub Ib Hlis 24, 2017.
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Txawm hais tias tseem ceeb ntawm Russia qhov kev pab them nqi, Hersh tau rau txim rau Trump cov thawj coj kev tawm tsam ntawm cov xov xwm tshaj tawm thiab nws cov kev hem thawj los txwv lub peev xwm ntawm cov neeg sau xov xwm los npog Tsev Dawb. Nws tau hais tias "Kev tawm tsam ntawm xov xwm yog ncaj qha tawm ntawm lub tebchaws socialism," nws hais. "Koj yuav tsum rov qab mus rau xyoo 1930s. Thawj qhov uas koj ua yog rhuav tshem cov xov xwm. Thiab nws yuav ua li cas? Nws yuav hem lawv. Qhov tseeb yog, Thawj Qhov Kev Hloov Kho yog qhov tsis txaus ntseeg thiab yog tias koj pib trampling nws txoj kev lawv - Kuv vam tias lawv tsis ua li ntawd - qhov no yuav yog qhov tsis zoo. Nws yuav raug teeb meem. "
Hersh kuj tau hais tias nws muaj kev txhawj xeeb txog Trump thiab nws cov thawj coj xav tias muaj hwj chim tshaj qhov kev soj ntsuam loj ntawm tsoomfwv Meskas. Nws tau hais tias "Kuv tuaj yeem qhia rau koj, kuv cov phooj ywg nyob sab hauv twb tau hais rau kuv tias yuav muaj kev soj ntsuam loj ntxiv, kev soj ntsuam hauv tsev tau nce ntxiv," nws hais. Nws pom zoo tias leej twg txhawj xeeb txog kev siv ntiag tug encrypted apps thiab lwm yam kev tiv thaiv. "Yog tias koj tsis muaj Signal, koj zoo dua tau txais Signal."
Thaum hais txog kev ntshai txog Trump cov txheej txheem, Hersh kuj tau hu Trump lub peev xwm "circuit breaker" ntawm ob tog nom tswv hauv Teb Chaws Asmeskas "Lub tswv yim ntawm qee tus neeg rhuav tshem, thiab ua rau muaj kev tsis ntseeg siab txog kev muaj peev xwm ntawm tog neeg, tshwj xeeb yog Democratic Party, tsis yog lub tswv yim phem, "Hersh hais. “Qhov ntawd yog ib yam uas peb tuaj yeem txhim kho yav tom ntej. Tab sis peb yuav tsum paub seb yuav ua li cas hauv ob peb xyoos tom ntej no. " Nws hais ntxiv: "Kuv tsis xav tias txoj kev xav ntawm kev ywj pheej yuav raug sim zoo li tam sim no."
Nyob rau hauv xyoo tas los no, Hersh tau raug tawm tsam rau nws cov ntaub ntawv tshawb fawb txog ntau yam kev cai thiab kev ua haujlwm tau tso cai los ntawm Obama cov thawj coj, tab sis nws yeej tsis tau thim rov qab los ntawm nws txoj kev ua phem rau kev sau xov xwm. Nws ceeb toom ntawm kev tawm tsam uas tua Osama bin Laden ua rau muaj kev tsis sib haum xeeb ntawm cov thawj coj zaj dab neeg, thiab nws kev tshawb nrhiav ntawm kev siv riam phom tshuaj nyob rau hauv Syria ua rau muaj kev tsis ntseeg ntawm cov nom tswv hais tias Bashar al Assad tau hais kom tawm tsam. Txawm hais tias nws tau txais ntau yam khoom plig rau nws txoj haujlwm, Hersh tau hais tias kev qhuas thiab kev rau txim tsis muaj kev cuam tshuam rau nws txoj haujlwm ua tus neeg sau xov xwm.
Jeremy Scahill qhov kev xam phaj nrog Seymour Hersh tuaj yeem hnov ntawm The Intercept's podcast tshiab txhua lub lim tiam, Intercepted, uas premieres Lub ib hlis ntuj 25.
