Tus Neeg Sawv Cev Barbara Lee, Leej Twg Pov Ntawv Tawm Tsam Pov Thawj Tom Qab 9/11 Tawm Tsam "Mus Ib Txhis Tsov Rog," ntawm Xav Tau Kev Tsov Rog Afghan Tsov Rog

AMY GOODMAN: Hnub Saturday yog lub 20th hnub tseem ceeb ntawm lub Cuaj Hlis 11th tawm tsam. Nyob rau hauv cov hnub tom qab, lub teb chaws reeled los ntawm kev tuag ntawm ntau tshaj 3,000 tus neeg, raws li Thawj Tswj Hwm George W. Bush ntaus nruas rau tsov rog. Thaum lub Cuaj Hlis 14, 2001, peb hnub tom qab kev tawm tsam 9/11, cov tswvcuab ntawm Congress tau sib cav txog tsib-teev seb puas yuav tso cai rau tus thawj tswj hwm lub zog siv tub rog los ua pauj rau kev tawm tsam, uas Senate twb dhau los lawm. 98 rau 0.

California Democratic Congressmber Barbara Lee, nws lub suab tshee hnyo nrog kev xav thaum nws hais hauv pem teb hauv tsev, yuav yog ib tus tswvcuab ntawm Congress los pov npav tawm tsam kev ua tsov rog tom qab 9/11. Qhov kawg pov npav yog 420 rau 1.

rep. BARBARA LAJ: Tus Hais Lus, cov mej zeej, hnub no kuv sawv los nrog lub siab hnyav heev, ib qho uas muaj kev tu siab rau tsev neeg thiab cov neeg hlub uas raug tua thiab raug mob lub lim tiam no. Tsuas yog cov neeg ruam tshaj plaws thiab cov neeg phem tshaj plaws yuav tsis nkag siab txog kev tu siab uas tau ua rau peb cov neeg thiab ntau lab thoob plaws ntiaj teb.

Qhov kev ua tsis tau hais lus hauv Tebchaws Meskas no tau yuam kuv tiag tiag, txawm li cas los xij, tso siab rau kuv tus qauv coj ncaj ncees, kuv lub siab thiab kuv tus Vajtswv rau kev coj. Cuaj hlis 11th hloov lub ntiaj teb no. Peb qhov kev ntshai tshaj plaws tam sim no haunt peb. Txawm li cas los xij kuv ntseeg tau tias kev ua tub rog yuav tsis tiv thaiv ntxiv kev ua phem thoob ntiaj teb tawm tsam Tebchaws Meskas. Qhov no yog ib qho teeb meem nyuaj thiab nyuaj heev.

Tam sim no, qhov kev daws teeb meem no yuav dhau mus, txawm tias peb txhua tus paub tias tus thawj tswj hwm tuaj yeem ua tsov rog txawm tias tsis muaj nws. Txawm li cas los xij nyuaj qhov kev pov npav no tuaj yeem yog, qee tus ntawm peb yuav tsum yaum kom siv kev txwv. Peb lub teb chaws muaj kev quaj ntsuag. Peb ib txhia yuav tsum hais tias, “Cia li rov qab los ib pliag. Cia li nres, tsuas yog ib feeb xwb, thiab xav txog qhov cuam tshuam ntawm peb cov kev ua niaj hnub no kom qhov no tsis txhob cuam tshuam los ntawm kev tswj hwm. "

Tam sim no, kuv tau mob siab rau qhov kev pov npav no, tab sis kuv tau los tuav nrog nws hnub no, thiab kuv tau los tuav nrog kev tawm tsam qhov kev daws teeb meem no thaum lub sij hawm ua kev nco txog kev mob siab heev thiab zoo nkauj heev. Raws li ib tug tswv cuab ntawm cov txiv plig hais lus nrov nrov, "Thaum peb ua, cia peb tsis txhob ua qhov phem uas peb deplore." Ua tsaug, thiab kuv muab qhov sib npaug ntawm kuv lub sijhawm.

AMY GOODMAN: "Cia peb tsis txhob ua qhov phem peb deplore." Thiab nrog cov lus no, Oakland Congressmember Barbara Lee rocked lub tsev, lub Capitol, lub teb chaws no, lub ntiaj teb no, ib leeg lub suab ntawm ntau tshaj 400 congressmens.

Thaum lub sijhawm, Barbara Lee yog ib tus tswvcuab tshiab tshaj plaws ntawm Congress thiab yog ib tug ntawm ob peb tus poj niam African Asmeskas los tuav haujlwm hauv tsev lossis Senate. Tam sim no hauv nws lub sijhawm thib 12, nws yog tus poj niam African Asmeskas siab tshaj plaws hauv Congress.

Yog, nws yog 20 xyoo tom qab. Thiab nyob rau hnub Wednesday lub lim tiam no, kuv tau xam phaj Congressmember Lee thaum lub sijhawm muaj kev tshwm sim virtual los ntawm Lub Tsev Haujlwm Saib Xyuas Txoj Cai Kev Kawm, uas tau tsim los ntawm Marcus Raskin, tus qub pab hauv Kennedy cov thawj coj uas tau los ua ib tus neeg ua haujlwm loj thiab sau ntawv. Kuv nug Congress Lee seb nws txiav txim siab nyob ib leeg, dab tsi tau mus rau qhov kev txiav txim siab ntawd, nws nyob qhov twg thaum nws txiav txim siab nws yuav hais lus, thiab tom qab ntawd cov neeg teb li cas.

rep. BARBARA LAJ: Ua tsaug ntau, Amy. Thiab tiag tiag, ua tsaug rau txhua tus, tshwj xeeb IPS rau hosting lub rooj sab laj tseem ceeb heev hnub no. Thiab cia kuv cia li hais rau cov los ntawm IPS, rau cov ntsiab lus keeb kwm thiab tsuas yog rau kev hwm ntawm Marcus Raskin, Marcus yog tus neeg kawg uas kuv tau tham nrog ua ntej kuv tau hais lus - tus neeg kawg.

Kuv tau mus rau lub cim nco txog thiab tau rov qab los. Thiab kuv tau nyob rau hauv pawg neeg txiav txim plaub ntug, uas yog Pawg Neeg Txawv Tebchaws Txawv Tebchaws nrog qhov no, qhov kev tso cai los ntawm. Thiab, ntawm chav kawm, nws tsis mus los ntawm pawg neeg. Nws yuav tsum tuaj rau hnub Saturday. Kuv rov qab mus rau qhov chaw ua haujlwm, thiab kuv cov neeg ua haujlwm hais tias, “Koj yuav tsum tau mus rau hauv pem teb. Qhov kev tso cai yog los txog. Kev pov npav yuav los nyob rau lwm teev lossis ob teev. "

Yog li kuv yuav tsum tau sib tw mus rau hauv pem teb. Thiab kuv tau sim ua kom kuv cov kev xav ua ke. Raws li koj tuaj yeem pom, Kuv tsis yog - Kuv yuav tsis hais tias "tsis tau npaj," tab sis kuv tsis muaj qhov kuv xav tau ntawm kuv cov qauv thiab cov ntsiab lus hais lus. Kuv tsuas yog yuav tsum tau sau ib yam dab tsi ntawm ib daim ntawv. Thiab kuv hu Marcus. Thiab kuv hais tias, "OK." Kuv hais - thiab kuv tau tham nrog nws rau peb hnub kawg. Thiab kuv tau tham nrog kuv tus thawj coj qub, Ron Dellums, uas yog, rau cov ntawm koj uas tsis paub, yog ib tug tub rog zoo rau kev thaj yeeb thiab kev ncaj ncees los ntawm kuv cheeb tsam. Kuv ua haujlwm rau nws 11 xyoo, kuv tus thawj coj. Yog li kuv tau tham nrog Ron, thiab nws yog tus kws kho mob hlwb los ntawm kev ua haujlwm. Thiab kuv tau tham nrog ntau tus kws lij choj kev cai lij choj. Kuv twb nrog kuv tus xibhwb tham lawm, kuv niam thiab tsev neeg.

Thiab nws yog lub sijhawm nyuaj heev, tab sis tsis muaj leej twg uas kuv tham nrog, Amy, qhia tias kuv yuav tsum pov npav li cas. Thiab nws yog qhov nthuav heev. Txawm Marcus tsis tau. Peb tham txog qhov zoo thiab qhov tsis zoo, qhov kev cai lij choj xav tau, qhov no yog dab tsi, tag nrho cov kev xav. Thiab nws muaj txiaj ntsig zoo rau kuv kom muaj peev xwm tham nrog cov neeg no, vim zoo li lawv tsis xav qhia kuv kom pov npav tsis tau, vim lawv paub tias txhua lub ntuj raug txim yuav tawg. Tab sis lawv yeej muab kuv hom, koj paub, qhov zoo thiab qhov tsis zoo.

Ron, piv txwv li, peb tau taug kev los ntawm peb keeb kwm yav dhau los ntawm kev puas siab puas ntsws thiab kev puas siab puas ntsws kev ua haujlwm. Thiab peb tau hais tias, koj paub, thawj qhov koj kawm hauv Psychology 101 yog tias koj tsis ua qhov tseem ceeb, txiav txim siab loj thaum koj tu siab thiab thaum koj quaj ntsuag thiab thaum koj ntxhov siab thiab thaum koj npau taws. Cov no yog lub sijhawm uas koj yuav tsum nyob - koj paub, koj yuav tsum dhau qhov ntawd. Koj yuav tsum thawb dhau qhov ntawd. Tom qab ntawd tej zaum koj tuaj yeem pib koom nrog cov txheej txheem uas xav tau. Thiab yog li ntawd, Ron thiab kuv tau tham ntau txog qhov ntawd.

Kuv nrog lwm cov mej zeej ntawm cov txiv plig tham. Thiab kuv tsis xav tias kuv tau nrog nws tham, tab sis kuv tau hais rau nws ntawm qhov ntawd - vim kuv tau ua raws li nws txoj haujlwm thiab cov lus qhuab qhia ntau heev, thiab nws yog ib tug phooj ywg ntawm kuv, Reverend James Forbes, uas yog ib tug xibhwb ntawm Riverside Church, Reverend William Sloane Coffin. Thiab lawv yav dhau los tau tham txog kev tsov rog nkaus xwb, kev tsov rog tsuas yog hais txog dab tsi, dab tsi yog cov qauv rau kev tsov rog xwb. Thiab yog li ntawd, koj paub, kuv txoj kev ntseeg tau hnyav, tab sis nws yog qhov tseem ceeb ntawm txoj cai lij choj uas cov tswv cuab ntawm Congress tsis tuaj yeem muab peb lub luag haujlwm rau txhua pawg thawj coj, rau tus thawj tswj hwm, txawm tias nws yog Democrat lossis Republican tus thawj tswj hwm.

Thiab yog li kuv tau los txiav txim siab tias - ib zaug kuv nyeem qhov kev daws teeb meem, vim tias peb muaj ib qho ua ntej, ncaws nws rov qab, tsis muaj leej twg tuaj yeem txhawb qhov ntawd. Thiab thaum lawv coj tus thib ob rov qab los, nws tseem dhau heev dhau, 60 lo lus, thiab txhua yam nws tau hais yog tus thawj tswj hwm tuaj yeem siv dag zog mus ib txhis, tsuav yog lub teb chaws, tus neeg lossis lub koom haum txuas nrog 9/11. Kuv txhais tau tias, nws tsuas yog tag nrho abdication ntawm peb lub luag hauj lwm raws li cov tswv cuab ntawm Congress. Thiab kuv paub thaum ntawd nws tau teeb tsa theem rau - thiab kuv ib txwm hu nws - kev tsov kev rog mus ib txhis, nyob rau hauv perpetuity.

Thiab yog li ntawd, thaum kuv nyob hauv lub tsev teev ntuj, kuv hnov ​​Reverend Nathan Baxter thaum nws hais tias, "Raws li peb ua, cia peb tsis txhob ua qhov phem uas peb deplore." Kuv tau sau qhov ntawd rau ntawm qhov program, thiab kuv tau txiav txim siab zoo nkauj tom qab ntawd kuv - mus rau hauv qhov kev nco txog, kuv paub tias kuv yog 95% pov npav tsis tau. Tab sis thaum kuv hnov ​​nws, qhov ntawd yog 100%. Kuv paub tias kuv yuav tsum pov npav tsis tau.

Thiab qhov tseeb, ua ntej mus rau kev ua koob tsheej nco, kuv tsis mus. Kuv tham nrog Elijah Cummings. Peb tab tom tham hauv qab ntawm chav tsev. Thiab ib yam dab tsi tsuas txhawb kuv thiab txhawb kuv kom hais tias, “Tsis yog, Eliyas, kuv yuav mus,” thiab kuv tau khiav ntawm cov kauj ruam. Kuv xav tias kuv yog tus neeg kawg ntawm lub npav. Nws yog ib qho tsaus ntuj, nag los nag, thiab kuv muaj ib lub kaus poom ntawm Ginger ale hauv kuv txhais tes. Kuv yuav tsis hnov ​​qab qhov ntawd. Thiab yog li ntawd, qhov ntawd yog hom, koj paub, dab tsi coj mus rau qhov no. Tab sis nws yog ib lub sij hawm loj heev rau lub teb chaws.

Thiab, tau kawg, kuv tau zaum hauv Capitol thiab yuav tsum khiav tawm thaum sawv ntxov nrog ob peb tus tswvcuab ntawm Dub Caucus thiab tus thawj coj ntawm Kev Tswj Lag Luam Me. Thiab peb yuav tsum khiav tawm ntawm 8:15, 8:30. Kuv tsis paub tias yog vim li cas, tsuas yog "Tawm ntawm no." Saib rov qab, pom cov pa taws, thiab qhov ntawd yog Pentagon uas tau raug ntaus. Tab sis kuj nyob rau hauv lub dav hlau ntawd, ntawm Flight 93, uas tau los rau hauv lub Capitol, kuv tus thawj coj ntawm cov neeg ua haujlwm, Sandré Swanson, nws tus kwv tij yog Wanda Green, ib tug ntawm cov neeg tuaj koom lub davhlau ntawm Flight 93. Thiab yog li ntawd, lub lim tiam no, ntawm chav kawm, Kuv twb tau xav txog txhua tus uas tau ploj lawm, cov zej zog uas tseem tsis tau zoo. Thiab cov heroes thiab sheroes ntawm Flight 93, uas tau nqa lub dav hlau ntawd, tuaj yeem cawm kuv txoj sia thiab cawm cov neeg nyob hauv Capitol txoj sia.

Yog li, nws yog, koj paub, lub sijhawm tu siab heev. Peb txhua tus tu siab. Peb npau taws. Peb ntxhov siab heev. Thiab txhua tus, tau kawg, xav coj cov neeg phem mus rau kev ncaj ncees, suav nrog kuv tus kheej. Kuv tsis yog pacifist. Yog li ntawd, tsis yog, kuv yog ib tug ntxhais ntawm tub rog. Tab sis kuv paub - kuv txiv nyob hauv Ntiaj Teb Tsov Rog II thiab Kaus Lim Kauslim, thiab kuv paub tias kev ua tsov rog txhais li cas. Thiab yog li ntawd, kuv tsis yog ib tus hais tias cia peb siv cov kev xaiv tub rog ua thawj qhov kev xaiv, vim kuv paub tias peb tuaj yeem daws teeb meem nyob ib puag ncig kev ua tsov ua rog thiab kev thaj yeeb thiab kev ua phem rau lwm txoj hauv kev.

AMY GOODMAN: Yog li ntawd, ua li cas tom qab koj tawm hauv pem teb ntawm lub tsev, hais lus tseem ceeb ob feeb thiab rov qab mus rau koj qhov chaw ua haujlwm? Cov tshuaj tiv thaiv yog dab tsi?

rep. BARBARA LAJ: Yog lawm, kuv tau rov qab mus rau hauv chav tsev kaw neeg, thiab txhua tus tau khiav rov qab los txais kuv. Thiab kuv nco qab. Cov tswv cuab feem ntau - tsuas yog 25% ntawm cov tswv cuab hauv xyoo 2001 tab tom ua haujlwm tam sim no, nco ntsoov koj, tab sis tseem muaj ntau qhov kev pabcuam. Thiab lawv tau rov qab los rau kuv thiab, tawm ntawm kev phooj ywg, hais tias, "Koj yuav tsum tau hloov koj qhov kev pov npav." Nws tsis yog ib yam dab tsi zoo li, "Dab tsi yog koj? los yog "Koj tsis paub tias koj yuav tsum koom nrog?" vim qhov no yog lub suab: “Koj yuav tsum koom nrog tus thawj tswj hwm. Peb ua tsis tau politicize qhov no. Nws yuav tsum yog Republicans thiab Democrats. " Tab sis lawv tsis tuaj ntawm kuv li ntawd. Lawv hais tias, “Barbara” — ib tug tswvcuab hais tias, “Koj paub, koj ua haujlwm zoo heev HIV thiab AIDS” Qhov no yog thaum kuv nyob nruab nrab ntawm kev ua haujlwm nrog Bush hauv ntiaj teb PEPFAR thiab Global Fund. “Koj yuav tsis yeej koj qhov kev xaiv tsa dua. Peb xav tau koj ntawm no. " Lwm tus tswvcuab hais tias, “Koj tsis paub Barbara, koj tsis paub tias kev puas tsuaj yuav los? Peb tsis xav kom koj mob. Koj paub, koj yuav tsum rov qab mus hloov qhov kev xaiv tsa ntawd. "

Ob peb tug tswvcuab rov los hais tias, “Koj puas paub tseeb? Koj paub, koj voted no. Koj puas paub tseeb?” Thiab tom qab ntawd ib tug ntawm kuv cov phooj ywg zoo - thiab nws tau hais qhov no rau pej xeem - Congresswoman Lynn Woolsey, nws thiab kuv tau tham, thiab nws hais tias, "Koj yuav tsum hloov koj qhov kev pov npav, Barbara." Nws hais tias, “Txawm yog kuv tus tub” — nws hais rau kuv tsev neeg hais tias, “Lub sijhawm no nyuaj rau lub tebchaws. Thiab txawm kuv tus kheej, koj paub, peb yuav tsum koom ua ke, thiab peb yuav pov npav. Koj yuav tsum hloov koj qhov kev pov npav. " Thiab nws tsuas yog tsis muaj kev txhawj xeeb rau kuv tias cov tswv cuab tuaj thov kom kuv hloov kuv txoj kev pov npav.

Tam sim no tom qab ntawd, kuv niam hais tias - kuv niam lig hais tias, "Lawv yuav tsum hu kuv," nws hais tias, "vim kuv yuav tau hais rau lawv tias tom qab koj tau txiav txim siab hauv koj lub taub hau thiab tham nrog tib neeg, yog tias koj tau txiav txim siab. , hais tias koj zoo nkauj bullheaded thiab tawv ncauj zoo nkauj. Nws yuav siv sij hawm ntau heev kom koj hloov koj lub siab. Tab sis koj tsis txiav txim siab yooj yim. " Nws hais tias, "Koj ib txwm qhib." Kuv niam hais rau kuv tias. Nws hais tias, “Lawv yuav tsum hu kuv. Kuv yuav tau hais rau lawv. "

Yog li ntawd, kuv thiaj li rov qab mus rau qhov chaw ua haujlwm. Thiab kuv lub xov tooj pib ringing. Tau kawg, kuv ntsia rau hauv TV, thiab muaj, koj paub, me ntsis ticker hais tias, "Ib tug tsis pov npav." Thiab kuv xav tias ib tus neeg sau xov xwm tau hais tias, "Kuv xav paub tias yog leej twg." Thiab ces kuv lub npe tshwm.

Thiab yog li ntawd, zoo, yog li kuv pib taug kev rov qab mus rau kuv qhov chaw ua haujlwm. Xov tooj pib tshuab. Thawj hu yog los ntawm kuv txiv, Lieutenant - qhov tseeb, nyob rau hauv nws xyoo tas los, nws xav kom kuv hu nws Colonel Tutt. Nws zoo siab heev los ua tub rog. Ib zaug ntxiv, Ntiaj Teb Tsov Rog II, nws tau nyob hauv 92nd Battalion, uas yog tib pab tub rog Asmeskas Asmeskas hauv tebchaws Ltalis, txhawb nqa Normandy ntxeem tau, OK? Thiab tom qab ntawd nws tau mus rau Kauslim. Thiab nws yog thawj tus neeg hu kuv. Thiab nws hais tias, “Tsis txhob hloov koj qhov kev xaiv tsa. Qhov ntawd yog qhov kev xaiv tsa zoo " - vim tias kuv tsis tau tham nrog nws ua ntej. Kuv tsis paub meej. Kuv hais tias, “Nej, kuv tseem tsis tau hu rau txiv. Kuv yuav nrog kuv niam tham.” Nws hais tias, "Koj tsis txhob xa peb cov tub rog mus ua phem." Nws hais tias, “Kuv paub tias kev tsov rog zoo li cas. Kuv paub tias nws ua li cas rau tsev neeg. " Nws hais tias, “Koj tsis muaj - koj tsis paub tias lawv yuav mus qhov twg. Koj ua dab tsi? Yuav ua li cas Congress yuav cia li tso lawv tawm mus yam tsis muaj lub tswv yim, tsis muaj phiaj xwm, tsis muaj Congress paub tsawg kawg yog dab tsi tshwm sim? Yog li, nws hais tias, “Qhov ntawd yog qhov kev xaiv tsa. Koj lo nrog nws. " Thiab nws yog tiag tiag - thiab yog li kuv zoo siab heev txog qhov ntawd. Kuv zoo siab heev.

Tiamsis kev hem neeg tuag tuaj. Koj paub, kuv tseem tsis tuaj yeem qhia koj cov ntsiab lus ntawm qhov nws txaus ntshai npaum li cas. Tib neeg tau ua tej yam phem thaum lub sijhawm ntawd rau kuv. Tab sis, raws li Maya Angelou hais tias, "Thiab kuv tseem sawv," thiab peb cia li mus. Thiab cov ntawv thiab emails thiab hu xov tooj uas muaj kev ntxub ntxaug thiab ntxub heev thiab hu kuv ua ib tug neeg ntxeev siab thiab hais tias kuv tau ua ib qho kev ntxeev siab, lawv txhua tus nyob hauv Mills College, kuv niam txiv.

Tab sis kuj, muaj - qhov tseeb, 40% ntawm cov kev sib txuas lus - muaj 60,000 - 40% yog qhov zoo heev. Npis Sov Tutu, Coretta Scott King, Kuv txhais tau tias, cov neeg thoob plaws ntiaj teb tau xa qee cov lus zoo rau kuv.

Thiab txij thaum ntawd los - thiab kuv mam li kaw los ntawm kev qhia ib zaj dab neeg, vim qhov no yog tom qab qhov tseeb, tsuas yog ob peb xyoos dhau los. Raws li koj paub, Kuv txhawb Kamala Harris rau tus thawj tswj hwm, yog li kuv nyob hauv South Carolina, ua tus neeg sawv cev, ntawm kev sib tw loj, kev ruaj ntseg txhua qhov chaw. Thiab tus txiv leej tub siab, loj dawb nrog me me los ntawm cov neeg coob coob - puas yog? — nrog kua muag ntawm nws ob lub qhov muag. Dab tsi hauv ntiaj teb no? Nws los cuag kuv, thiab nws hais rau kuv — nws hais tias, “Kuv yog ib tug ntawm cov uas xa ib tsab ntawv hem koj. Kuv yog ib tug ntawm cov ntawd. " Thiab nws tau nqis mus rau txhua yam uas nws tau hais rau kuv. Kuv hais tias, "Kuv vam tias cov tub ceev xwm tsis hnov ​​koj hais li ntawd." Tab sis nws yog ib tug uas hem kuv. Nws hais tias, “Thiab kuv tuaj ntawm no los thov txim. Thiab kuv tau coj kuv tus tub los ntawm no, vim kuv xav kom nws pom kuv qhia koj tias kuv thov txim npaum li cas thiab koj tau ua li cas, thiab tsuas yog paub tias hnub no yog ib hnub rau kuv uas kuv tau tos. "

Thiab yog li ntawd, kuv tau muaj - ntau xyoo, ntau, ntau tus neeg tau tuaj, sib txawv, los hais qhov ntawd. Thiab yog li ntawd, qhov ntawd yog qhov ua rau kuv mus, ntau txoj hauv kev, paub tias - koj paub, vim yeej Tsis Muaj Tsov Rog, vim yog Pawg Phooj Ywg, vim yog IPS, vim peb cov Veterans for Peace thiab tag nrho cov pab pawg uas tau ua hauj lwm thoob plaws hauv lub teb chaws, koom tes, txhawb nqa, qhia rau pej xeem, tib neeg yeej pib to taub tias qhov no yog dab tsi thiab nws txhais li cas. Thiab yog li ntawd, kuv tsuas yog yuav tsum ua tsaug rau txhua tus neeg uas tau ncig lub wagons, vim nws tsis yooj yim, tab sis vim tias koj txhua tus nyob ntawd, muaj neeg tuaj rau kuv tam sim no thiab hais lus zoo thiab txhawb nqa kuv ntau heev - tiag tiag, a kev hlub ntau.

AMY GOODMAN: Zoo, Congressmen Lee, tam sim no nws yog 20 xyoo tom qab, thiab Thawj Tswj Hwm Biden tau rub cov tub rog Asmeskas tawm ntawm Afghanistan. Nws tau tawm tsam hnyav los ntawm ob tog Democrats thiab Republicans rau kev kub ntxhov ntawm ob peb lub lis piam dhau los. Thiab tau muaj - Congress tab tom hu kev nug txog qhov tshwm sim. Tab sis koj puas xav tias kev nug yuav tsum txuas ntxiv mus rau tag nrho 20 xyoo ntawm kev ua tsov rog ntev tshaj plaws hauv Asmeskas keeb kwm?

rep. BARBARA LAJ: Kuv xav tias peb xav tau kev nug. Kuv tsis paub tias nws yog tib tug. Tab sis, ua ntej ntawm tag nrho cov, cia kuv hais tias kuv yog ib tug ntawm ob peb tug tswv cuab uas tau tawm thaum ntxov, txhawb tus thawj tswj hwm: "Koj tau txiav txim siab tiag tiag." Thiab, qhov tseeb, kuv paub tias yog peb nyob ntawd ua tub rog rau lwm tsib, 10, 15, 20 xyoo, peb yuav nyob rau qhov chaw phem dua, vim tias tsis muaj kev ua tub rog hauv Afghanistan, thiab peb tsis tuaj yeem tsim lub tebchaws. Qhov ntawd yog muab.

Thiab yog li ntawd, thaum nws nyuaj rau nws, peb tau tham ntau txog qhov no thaum lub sijhawm sib tw. Thiab kuv tau nyob rau hauv pawg neeg tsim qauv ntawm lub platform, thiab koj tuaj yeem rov qab mus saib yam uas Bernie thiab Biden tus kws pab tswv yim ntawm lub platform tuaj nrog. Yog li, nws tau cog lus tseg, cov lus cog tseg khaws cia. Thiab nws paub tias qhov no yog kev txiav txim siab nyuaj. Nws ua qhov yog.

Tab sis tau hais tias, yog, kev khiav tawm yog pob zeb tiag tiag thaum pib, thiab tsis muaj kev npaj. Kuv txhais tau tias, kuv tsis twv; nws tsis tshwm sim rau kuv los ua ib txoj kev npaj. Peb tsis paub - txawm tias, Kuv tsis xav tias, Pawg Neeg Saib Xyuas Kev Txawj Ntse. Yam tsawg kawg, nws yog faulty los yog tsis - los yog inconclusive txawj ntse, kuv xav tias, txog cov Taliban. Thiab yog li ntawd, muaj ntau lub qhov thiab qhov khoob uas peb yuav tau kawm txog.

Peb muaj lub luag haujlwm saib xyuas kom paub, ua ntej ntawm tag nrho, muaj dab tsi tshwm sim raws li nws cuam tshuam txog kev khiav tawm, txawm tias nws zoo heev uas muaj ntau - dab tsi? - Ntau tshaj 120,000 tus neeg tau khiav tawm. Kuv txhais tau tias, tuaj, hauv ob peb lub lis piam? Kuv xav tias qhov ntawd yog ib qho kev khiav tawm tsis txaus ntseeg uas tau tshwm sim. Tseem tshuav neeg nyob ntawd, cov poj niam thiab cov ntxhais. Peb yuav tsum muaj kev ruaj ntseg, xyuas kom lawv ruaj ntseg, thiab xyuas kom meej tias muaj ib txoj hauv kev los pab rau lawv txoj kev kawm thiab kom txhua tus neeg Asmeskas tawm, txhua tus neeg Afghan tawm. Yog li tseem muaj lwm txoj haujlwm ua, uas yuav xav tau ntau yam kev tshaj tawm txoj xov xwm - ntau yam kev tshaj tawm txoj xov xwm kom ua tiav qhov ntawd.

Tab sis thaum kawg, cia kuv hais, koj paub, tus kws tshuaj xyuas tshwj xeeb rau kev tsim kho Afghanistan, nws tau tawm los nrog cov lus ceeb toom ntau dua thiab ntau dua. Thiab qhov kawg, kuv tsuas yog xav nyeem me ntsis txog qhov kawg - nyuam qhuav tawm ob peb lub lis piam dhau los. Nws tau hais tias, "Peb tsis muaj peev xwm nyob hauv Afghanistan." Nws tau hais tias, "Qhov no yog ib daim ntawv tshaj tawm uas yuav qhia txog cov kev kawm tau kawm thiab tsom mus rau cov lus nug rau cov neeg tsim cai tsis yog ua cov lus pom zoo tshiab." Daim ntawv tshaj tawm kuj pom tias tsoomfwv Meskas - thiab qhov no yog nyob rau hauv tsab ntawv tshaj tawm - "tsis nkag siab txog Afghan cov ntsiab lus, suav nrog kev sib raug zoo, kab lis kev cai thiab kev nom kev tswv." Tsis tas li ntawd - thiab qhov no yog qhov SIGAR, tus kws tshuaj ntsuam xyuas tshwj xeeb - nws tau hais tias "Cov tub ceev xwm Asmeskas tsis tshua muaj kev nkag siab nruab nrab ntawm Afghan ib puag ncig," - Kuv tab tom nyeem qhov no los ntawm tsab ntawv tshaj tawm - thiab "ntau npaum li cas nws tau teb rau Asmeskas kev cuam tshuam," thiab qhov ntawd qhov kev tsis paub no feem ntau yog los ntawm "kev tsis txaus siab rau cov ntaub ntawv uas tej zaum yuav muaj."

Thiab nws tau - cov ntawv ceeb toom no tau tawm los rau 20 xyoo dhau los. Thiab peb tau muaj lub rooj sib hais thiab rooj sab laj thiab sim ua kom lawv pej xeem, vim lawv yog pej xeem. Thiab yog li ntawd, yog, peb yuav tsum rov qab mus thiab ua qhov tob tob thiab kev xyaum ua haujlwm. Tab sis peb kuj yuav tsum tau ua peb lub luag haujlwm saib xyuas ntawm qhov uas nyuam qhuav tshwm sim, kom nws yuav tsis tshwm sim dua, tab sis kuj yog li ntawd 20 xyoo dhau los, thaum peb saib xyuas qhov tshwm sim, yuav tsis tshwm sim dua, ib yam nkaus. .

AMY GOODMAN: Thiab thaum kawg, nyob rau yav tsaus ntuj no, tshwj xeeb tshaj yog rau cov tub ntxhais hluas, dab tsi ua rau koj ua siab loj sawv ntawm ib leeg tawm tsam kev ua tsov ua rog?

rep. BARBARA LAJ: Aw gosh. Zoo, kuv yog ib tug neeg ntseeg. Ua ntej tshaj, kuv thov Vajtswv. Qhov thib ob, kuv yog ib tug poj niam Dub nyob rau Amelikas. Thiab kuv tau dhau los ntawm ntau yam hauv lub tebchaws no, zoo li txhua tus poj niam Dub.

Kuv niam - thiab kuv yuav tsum qhia zaj dab neeg no, vim nws pib thaum yug los. Kuv yug thiab loj hlob hauv El Paso, Texas. Thiab kuv niam tau mus - nws xav tau C-section thiab mus rau hauv tsev kho mob. Lawv yuav tsis lees nws vim nws yog Dub. Thiab nws tau siv ntau heev rau nws thaum kawg tau mus rau hauv tsev kho mob. Ntau heev. Thiab thaum nws nkag mus, nws lig dhau rau C-section. Thiab lawv cia li tso nws nyob ntawd. Thiab ib tug neeg pom nws. Nws tsis nco qab lawm. Thiab tom qab ntawd lawv, koj paub, tsuas yog pom nws pw ntawm lub tsev. Lawv cia li muab nws tso, nws hais tias, ib tug gurney thiab tso nws nyob ntawd. Thiab yog li ntawd, thaum kawg, lawv tsis paub yuav ua li cas. Thiab yog li ntawd lawv tau coj nws mus rau hauv - thiab nws hais rau kuv tias nws yog chav xwm ceev, tsis yog chav xa khoom. Thiab lawv tau mus sim seb yuav ua li cas hauv ntiaj teb no lawv yuav cawm nws txoj sia, vim tias thaum ntawd nws tsis nco qab lawm. Thiab yog li ntawd lawv yuav tsum rub kuv tawm ntawm kuv niam lub tsev menyuam siv forceps, koj hnov ​​kuv? Kev siv forceps. Yog li kuv yuav luag tsis tau ntawm no. Kuv yuav luag ua tsis taus pa. Kuv yuav luag tuag thaum yug me nyuam. Kuv niam yuav luag tuag vim kuv. Yog li, koj paub, raws li menyuam yaus, kuv txhais tau tias, kuv tuaj yeem hais li cas? Yog tias kuv muaj lub siab tawv tuaj ntawm no, thiab kuv niam muaj lub siab tawv yug kuv, kuv twv txhua yam zoo li tsis muaj teeb meem.

AMY GOODMAN: Zoo, Congressmen Lee, tau zoo siab nrog koj tham, ib tug tswv cuab ntawm Pawg Thawj Coj ntawm Pawg Thawj Coj, uas yog qib siab tshaj plaws -

AMY GOODMAN: California Congressmber Barbara Lee, yog lawm, tam sim no hauv nws lub sijhawm 12th. Nws yog tus poj niam African Asmeskas siab tshaj plaws hauv Congress. Xyoo 2001, Cuaj Hlis 14th, tsuas yog peb hnub tom qab 9/11 tawm tsam, nws yog ib tus tswvcuab ntawm Congress los pov npav tawm tsam kev tso cai tub rog - kev pov npav zaum kawg, 420 rau 1.

Thaum kuv xam phaj nws hnub Wednesday yav tsaus ntuj, nws nyob hauv California kev sib tw los txhawb tus tswv xeev Gavin Newsom ua ntej hnub Tuesday qhov kev xaiv tsa rov qab, nrog rau Tus Lwm Thawj Coj Kamala Harris, uas yug hauv Oakland. Barbara Lee sawv cev rau Oakland. Hnub Monday, Newsom yuav tawm suab nrog Thawj Tswj Hwm Joe Biden. Qhov no yog Kev ywj pheej tam sim no! Nrog peb nyob.

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AMY GOODMAN: "Nco Rockefeller ntawm Attica" los ntawm Charles Mingus. Lub tsev loj cuj Attica tau pib 50 xyoo dhau los. Tom qab ntawd, thaum lub Cuaj Hlis 13th, 1971, tom qab ntawd-New York Tus Thawj Kav Tebchaws Nelson Rockefeller tau hais kom tub rog tub rog hauv xeev mus tua hauv tsev lojcuj. Lawv tua 39 tus neeg, suav nrog cov neeg raug kaw thiab cov neeg saib xyuas. Hnub Monday, peb yuav saib Attica kev tawm tsam ntawm 50th hnub tseem ceeb.