Oscar-Nominated Actor James Cromwell hais tawm ua ntej kaw lub sijhawm rau kev sib haum xeeb tiv thaiv kev tawm tsam

AMY GOODMAN: Tus neeg ua yeeb yam uas raug xaiv tsa Oscar James Cromwell tab tom tshaj tawm rau hauv tsev kaw neeg thaum 4:00 teev tsaus ntuj sab hnub tuaj hnub no hauv xeev New York, tom qab nws raug txiav txim mus rau ib lub lis piam tom qab tuav vim koom nrog kev tawm tsam tsis ncaj ncees tawm tsam lub tshuab hluav taws xob hluav taws xob. Cromwell hais tias nws tseem yuav tso kev tshaib kev nqhis. Nws yog ib tug ntawm 650 tus neeg tawm tsam raug ntes vim thaiv kev khiav tsheb ntawm qhov chaw zaum sab nraum qhov chaw tsim kho ntawm 2015-megawatt cog hauv Wawayanda, New York, upstate, Kaum Ob Hlis XNUMX. Cov neeg tawm tsam hais tias cov nroj tsuag yuav txhawb nqa cov pa roj carbon monoxide hauv cov xeev nyob sib ze thiab pab txhawb. rau kev hloov pauv huab cua.

James Cromwell paub zoo txog nws lub luag haujlwm hauv qee qhov 50 Hollywood zaj duab xis, raug xaiv tsa rau Oscar hauv Babe, nrog rau ntau lub TV series, suav nrog Rau ko taw hauv qab. Kuv tau hais rau nws hnub Thursday nrog rau ib tus ntawm nws tus kws lij choj uas yuav raug kaw hnub no, ib yam nkaus, Pramilla Malick, tus tsim ntawm Lub Nroog Tiv Thaiv Orange, ib pab pawg neeg zej zog ua rau muaj kev tawm tsam rau lub chaw tsim hluav taws xob fracked. Nws tau khiav hauv 2016 rau New York xeev Senate. Kuv pib nug James Cromwell txog vim li cas nws thiaj mus kaw hnub no.

YAM CROMWELL: Peb, peb txhua tus, koom nrog kev tawm tsam, tsis yog tiv thaiv txoj kev ua neej, tab sis tiv thaiv txoj sia ntawm nws tus kheej. Peb cov tsev kawm ntawv poob nyiaj. Peb cov thawj coj muaj teeb meem. Thiab cov pej xeem yog qhov yooj yim disillusioned thiab disenchanted nrog tag nrho cov txheej txheem. Muaj kev sib txuas ncaj qha ntawm cov nroj tsuag hauv Minisink-

AMY GOODMAN: Minisink nyob qhov twg?

YAM CROMWELL: Hauv Wawayanda. Nws nyob hauv xeev New York. Lawv hu ua upstate. Nws tsis deb dhau ntawm New Jersey ciam teb. Nruab nrab ntawm cov nroj tsuag thiab Middle East. Peb tab tom ua tsov rog tsis yog nrog Iraq thiab Syria thiab Afghanistan thiab Yemen. Peb tab tom ua tsov rog nrog Dimock, Pennsylvania, qhov twg cov roj los ntawm, nrog Wawayanda, uas siv cov roj, nrog Seneca Lake, qhov twg nws yuav tsum tau khaws cia, thiab nrog Standing Rock.

Thiab nws yog lub sij hawm, qhov tseeb, lub npe tus kab mob. Cov neeg feem coob tsis tuaj yeem tso lawv tus ntiv tes rau ntawm qhov ua rau nws, tab sis txhua tus pom qhov kev hem thawj. Capitalism yog mob qog noj ntshav. Thiab tib txoj hauv kev kom kov yeej tus mob qog noj ntshav no yog kom ua tiav, hloov pauv peb txoj kev ua neej thiab peb txoj kev xav txog peb tus kheej. Thiab kuv hu tias radical transformation revolutionary. Yog li qhov no yog lub kiv puag ncig.

NERMEEN SHAIKH: Yog li, piav qhia qhov txuas yog dab tsi. Capitalism, koj hais, yog qhov ua rau muaj dab tsi tshwm sim, Asmeskas ua, nyob rau hauv Middle East, thiab dab tsi tshwm sim nyob rau hauv upstate New York thiab Standing Rock thiab hais txog.

YAM CROMWELL: Cov nroj tsuag no yog tsim los ntawm ib lub tuam txhab uas nws tsuas yog txaus siab los tsim cov nyiaj tau los. Tsis tas yuav muaj hluav taws xob, thiab txoj kev tsim hluav taws xob yog qhov tsis zoo rau lub neej hauv zej zog. Thiab tam sim no, qhov ntawd yog lub zej zog nyob deb, vim tias nws yuav muaj kev cuam tshuam txawm rau cov neeg ntawm New York. Tag nrho cov teeb meem ultrafine uas tawm los ntawm cov pa luam yeeb no thaum kawg tau cua hlob hauv New York City. Yog li txhua tus neeg raug cuam tshuam.

Tam sim no, qhov ntawd ua tiav vim peb tab tom sim kom muaj kev ywj pheej ntawm lub zog. Lub zog ntawd peb tab tom sim ua kom muaj kev ywj pheej los ntawm yog cov roj thiab cov roj uas tuaj ntawm Middle East. Thaum Middle East pib txav mus rau tsoomfwv ntau txoj kev ywj pheej, Tebchaws Meskas tsoomfwv thiab lwm lub tebchaws, Tebchaws Askiv, Fabkis, txhua lub tebchaws muaj zog, hais tias, "Tsis yog, tsis yog. Koj tsis txav mus rau kev ywj pheej, vim tias yog tias koj txav mus rau kev ywj pheej, koj ua rau peb nkag mus rau koj lub zog. " Thiab yog li ntawd, lawv corrupted, nyob rau hauv lawv tus kheej nefarious txoj kev.

Thiab thaum kawg, qhov ntawd coj mus rau - peb tsim ISIS. Peb, cov neeg Amelikas, tsim ISIS, txhawm rau sib ntaus sib tua lwm yam - tib qhov yuam kev peb ua nrog cov mujahideen hauv Afghanistan. Thiab qhov ntawd yog los tiv thaiv peb cov kev txaus siab. Yog koj saib Mr. Tillerson, Mr. Tillerson tau zaum ntawm ib nrab trillion nyiaj uas muaj nqis ntawm kev cog lus nrog cov neeg Lavxias. Thiab yog li ntawd, nws muaj -

AMY GOODMAN: Thaum nws yog CEO ntawm ExxonMobil.

YAM CROMWELL: Thaum nws yog CEO, uas tseem tab tom tos. Nws tseem tuaj yeem cuam tshuam rau nws lub tuam txhab. Nws tuaj yeem cuam tshuam rau nws lub tuam txhab, sai li sai tau qhov kev txiav npluav raug tshem tawm. Yog li, kuv hais tias muaj kev sib txuas, thaum koj tham txog lub zog. Lub zog xav tau thoob plaws ntiaj teb thiab tsim nyob rau hauv qee qhov chaw. Tam sim no peb tsim lub zog los ntawm kev tshuab lub ntiaj teb thiab tau txais cov pa roj methane, uas yog qhov tsis zoo rau kev noj qab haus huv. Thiab peb xa nws los ntawm cov kav dej. Lub hom phiaj tseem ceeb ntawm nws, txawm li cas los xij, tsis yog siv lub tshuab fais fab. Nws yog xa mus rau Canada rau liquefy, qhov twg lawv tuaj yeem ua rau XNUMX npaug nyiaj tau los ntawm kev muag cov roj ntau dua li lawv tuaj yeem ua tau hauv Tebchaws Meskas.

AMY GOODMAN: Yog li, cia kuv nug koj tias yuav luag li cas ob xyoos dhau los. Kuv txhais tau tias, koj yuav raug kaw tam sim no, tab sis qhov kev txiav txim uas koj koom nrog yog Lub Rau Hli 2015. Qhia rau peb tias koj mus qhov twg thiab koj tau ua dab tsi.

YAM CROMWELL: Peb tau muaj kev tawm tsam kom khaws rau pem hauv ntej ntawm cov nroj tsuag no uas tau ua - tab tom tsim rau ob xyoos thiab ib nrab xyoo dhau los. Thiab nws tau mus rau lub ntsiab lus - ntau tus neeg uas hla lawv lub horn hauv kev txhawb nqa, tab sis tsis muaj dab tsi tshwm sim. Peb sim—

AMY GOODMAN: Thiab qhov no yog tsob ntoo -

YAM CROMWELL: Nws yog ib tsob nroj, ib lub fracked gas-powered fais fab nroj tsuag, uas txhais tau hais tias lawv import cov roj los ntawm Pennsylvania.

AMY GOODMAN: Thiab lawv yog?

YAM CROMWELL: Zoo, uas yog-qhov no yog-

AMY GOODMAN: Lub tuam txhab yog?

YAM CROMWELL: Competitive Power Ventures yog tsim cov nroj tsuag.

AMY GOODMAN: CPV.

YAM CROMWELL: Tab sis muaj Millennium Pipeline, uas Pramilla paub ntau ntxiv txog, leej twg yog tus tswv ntawm qhov no. Nws yog tiag tiag los ntawm peb lub tuam txhab loj: Mitsubishi, GE thiab Credit Suisse. Tam sim no, peb cov neeg coob coob coob leej twg yuav txaus siab rau cov nroj tsuag no, cov nroj tsuag nruab nrab, txawm tias puas tsuaj? Qhov lawv nyiam, nws yog qhov ua ntej ntawm 300 cov nroj tsuag zoo sib xws. Yog tias cov nroj tsuag no tau tsim thiab tau txais online, tsis muaj qhov laj thawj rau kev tsis tsim ntau cov nroj tsuag no. Peb ntseeg tias qhov no yuav tsum tau nres, yog tias koj xav kom nres tag nrho cov kev tsim tawm ntawm hydrofracking infrastructure thiab nws cov txiaj ntsig rau peb ib puag ncig.

AMY GOODMAN: Yog li koj ua dab tsi?

YAM CROMWELL: Peb pib nrog ib lub tswv yim los txuas peb tus kheej ua ke. Peb khi peb tus kheej ua ke nrog lub tsheb kauj vab xauv, thiab peb thaiv kev nkag mus rau cov nroj tsuag li ntawm - raws li kev foob, txog 27 feeb. Thiab tus kws txiav txim plaub ntug thiab tus foob tau zoo li hais tias nws tsis muaj qhov sib txawv ntawm qhov tshwm sim nrog cov nroj tsuag no. Tab sis nws ua qhov txawv. Qhov peb tab tom sim tawm yog cov lus hais tias qhov no yog ib qho piv txwv, tab sis nws tau tshwm sim thoob plaws lub tebchaws no thiab thoob plaws ntiaj teb. Lawv tab tom tawm tsam nws hauv tebchaws Askiv. Lawv tab tom tawm tsam nws thoob plaws ntiaj teb.

NERMEEN SHAIKH: Yog li, Pramilla, koj puas tuaj yeem tham txog cov nroj tsuag no yog dab tsi, koj tau koom nrog kev tawm tsam li cas, cov nroj tsuag no tau tsim los ua dab tsi thiab koj xav tias yuav muaj kev cuam tshuam rau pej xeem kev noj qab haus huv, yog tias tsim tau?

PRAMILLA MALICK: Yog li, qhov no yog 650-megawatt fracked gas fais fab nroj tsuag. Nws yuav nyob ntawm ib puas mus rau 150 qhov dej fracking ib xyoos. Yog li peb paub tias, hauv Pennsylvania, muaj-tus menyuam mos tuag coob zuj zus. Cov kab mob qog noj ntshav nce ntxiv. Aquifers tau kis kab mob. Tab sis nrog rau qhov ntawd, kev cuam tshuam kev noj qab haus huv mus ncig thoob plaws hauv lub network infrastructure. Yog li kuv nyob ze ntawm qhov chaw nres tsheb compressor, thiab peb twb tau sau tseg txog kev cuam tshuam kev noj qab haus huv hauv kuv lub zej zog, hauv Minisink, ntawm qhov ntswg, mob taub hau, pob khaus, cov tsos mob ntawm lub paj hlwb.

AMY GOODMAN: Thiab qhov no yog vim li cas?

PRAMILLA MALICK: Tshaj tawm rau qhov chaw nres tsheb roj compressor, Minisink compressor chaw nres tsheb. Thiab qhov no tau sau tseg los ntawm pab pawg kws tshawb fawb. Yog li, koj paub, thev naus laus zis yog qhov tshiab, thiab tib neeg nyuam qhuav pib - cov kws tshawb fawb tau sib tw los sim nkag siab tias muaj dab tsi tshwm sim. Tab sis cov zej zog pem hauv ntej, zoo li peb li, peb xav tias nws. Peb pom nws. Peb paub tias muaj kev cuam tshuam rau kev noj qab haus huv. Thiab—

AMY GOODMAN: Thiab yog li ntawd, koj tau koom nrog qhov kev tawm tsam rau lub Rau Hli 2015 no, thiab koj tau ua dab tsi?

PRAMILLA MALICK: Zoo, Kuv kuj tau kaw kuv tus kheej, nrog James Cromwell thiab nrog Madeline Shaw.

AMY GOODMAN: Thiab Madeline Shaw yog?

PRAMILLA MALICK: Nws yog ib tug neeg laus uas nyob hauv zej zog. Nws txhawj xeeb heev vim nws xav tias nws yuav tsum tau tawm hauv tsev uas nws nyob txij li xyoo 1949, yog tias tsob ntoo no tsim.

AMY GOODMAN: James hais txog Seneca Lake. Tam sim no, puas tsis muaj yeej tsis ntev los no ntawm cov neeg ua haujlwm ib puag ncig uas tau tso tseg lub chaw cia khoom nyob ntawd?

PRAMILLA MALICK: Yog.

AMY GOODMAN: Thiab qhov no cuam tshuam li cas rau qhov koj tab tom sim nres?

PRAMILLA MALICK: Zoo, lawv tau nyob hauv txoj haujlwm zoo ib yam li peb, ntawm qhov kev nkag siab tias lawv koom nrog cov txheej txheem tswj hwm, lobbied, foob, thov rau tag nrho lawv cov thawj coj raug xaiv, thiab lawv tsis tau mus qhov twg. Thiab yog li ntawd lawv tau pib koom nrog kev tsis mloog lus. Thiab kuv xav tias tsim kom muaj kev txaus siab rau lub tuam txhab uas lub tuam txhab thaum kawg tau thim lawv daim ntawv thov rau qhov chaw cia. Tab sis thaum koj pom zoo rau 650-megawatt fracked gas fais fab nroj tsuag - thiab kuv ceeb toom rau tib neeg tias qhov no yog - qhov no tau pom zoo los ntawm lub xeev New York, los ntawm peb tus kheej tus tswv xeev Cuomo, uas txwv tsis pub fracking, hais txog kev cuam tshuam kev noj qab haus huv, tseem tau pom zoo cov nroj tsuag no. uas yuav induce thiab nyob ntawm ntau txhiab tus tshiab fracking qhov nyob rau hauv nws lub neej. Peb tsis xav tau lub tshuab fais fab no kiag li. Tab sis nws tab tom tsim lawm.

Thiab, koj paub, nws yog ib qhov project billions. Tab sis nws yuav raug nqi rau peb, raws li cov kws tshawb fawb - thiab qhov no yog vim li cas peb koom nrog kev tsis mloog lus ntawm pej xeem, thiab peb tau muaj kev sim siab uas peb tuaj yeem coj cov kws tshawb fawb los ua pov thawj. Nws yuav raug nqi rau zej zog $ 940 lab toj ib xyoo hauv cov nqi kho mob thiab cov nqi tsim kho vaj tse thiab lwm yam nqi kev lag luam. Thiab nws yuav ua rau peb lub xeev lub tsev cog khoom tso pa tawm ntau dua 10 feem pua ​​​​rau tag nrho lub zog hluav taws xob hauv xeev New York.

AMY GOODMAN: James Cromwell, koj tuaj yeem tau them nyiaj nplua, tab sis koj xaiv mus kaw. Koj yuav mus kaw ntev npaum li cas? Thiab yog vim li cas koj ua li no?

YAM CROMWELL: Peb raug txim rau xya hnub. Nws yog nyob ntawm qhov kev txiav txim siab ntawm qhov chaw ua haujlwm ntev npaum li cas peb ua haujlwm. Qee zaum koj tawm mus rau tus cwj pwm zoo. Kuv tsis muaj tswv yim. Kuv tab tom npaj rau xya hnub. Yog vim li cas kuv tau ua nws yog, Kuv tsis tuaj yeem ua pov thawj qhov kev tsis ncaj ncees ntawm qhov kuv xav tias yog kev txiav txim siab tsis ncaj ncees thiab yooj yim. Thiab yog li ntawd, kuv xav tias yuav mus kaw hauv tsev lojcuj yog ib nqe lus hais txog yuav ua li cas peb yuav tsum nqa peb qhov kev ua si. Nws tsis zoo txaus los khaws thiab thov, vim tsis muaj leej twg mloog. Txoj kev uas tib neeg tau txais cov lus tawm yog koj ua ib qho kev tsis mloog lus. Nws yog qhov Tim DeChristopher tau ua, ntau tus-tag nrho cov neeg hauv Standing Rock. Qhov ntawd yog lub hom phiaj ntawm Standing Rock. Qhov tseeb ntawm Standing Rock yog cov txwj laus—vim kuv nyob ntawd—cov txwj laus hais tias, “Nov yog lub chaw thov Vajtswv.” Hauv lwm lo lus, nws los ntawm peb sab ntsuj plig. Peb yuav tsum hloov lub siab sab hauv no. Peb yuav tsum hloov peb txoj kev sib raug zoo ntawm ob lub ntiaj teb thiab rau cov neeg nyob hauv ntiaj teb no, suav nrog cov neeg tawm tsam peb. Yog li, kuv ntseeg tias, ntawm peb txoj kev me me, yog cov lus uas peb tab tom ua. Nov yog lub sijhawm los nce qhov kev ua si. Lub sijhawm no yog lub sijhawm los hais txog qhov tseem ceeb ntawm peb tus kabmob.

AMY GOODMAN: Kuv kuj xav nug koj txog koj cov lus hais txog cov neeg muaj teeb meem hu ua capitalism li mob qog noj ntshav.

YAM CROMWELL: Yog.

AMY GOODMAN: Nws suab zoo li Edward Abbey cov lus hais: "Kev loj hlob rau lub hom phiaj ntawm kev loj hlob yog lub tswv yim ntawm kev mob qog noj ntshav."

YAM CROMWELL: Yog li.

AMY GOODMAN: Los ntawm koj ib puag ncig, koj tab tom noj cov peev txheej.

YAM CROMWELL: Yog.

AMY GOODMAN: Tsis yog txhua tus environmentalists ua. Koj tuaj yeem tawm tswv yim txog qhov ntawd?

YAM CROMWELL: Kuv tsis tuaj yeem hais lus rau txhua tus environmentalists. Kuv xav tias txhua yam teeb meem—txhua yam uas bedevil peb pib nws. Peb yog kab lis kev cai ntawm kev tuag, los ntawm "kev tuag" lub ntsiab lus hais tias dab tsi yog qhov tseem ceeb - dab tsi yog hom lus uas peb hais yog hom lus ntawm kev lag luam. Txhua yam yog muag. Txhua yam yog khoom siv. Thiab qhov ntawd ua li cas - thiab tom qab ntawd, tau kawg, koj yuav tsum tsim kom muaj txiaj ntsig ntau tshaj plaws, uas txhais tau hais tias koj yuav tsum txwv kev ua haujlwm. Koj yuav tsum txwv tus nqi ntawm koj cov ntaub ntawv ntuj. Koj yuav tsum tswj hwm koj thaj tsam ntawm kev cuam tshuam, kom Tuam Tshoj tsis muaj zog nrog txhua Iran cov roj los yog Iraq. Thiab yog li ntawd, tam sim ntawd, kev xav zoo li no ua rau muaj kev sib cav sib ceg uas peb ntsib txhua qhov chaw.

Yog tias peb saib ntxiv-yog tias peb lees tias peb yog-peb kev quav yeeb quav tshuaj rau lub zog no, kev quav yeeb quav tshuaj rau peb txoj kev ua neej, qhov peb tau txais kev tso cai hauv lub tebchaws no, yog qee txoj hauv kev - peb muaj lub luag haujlwm. Yog tias peb lees txais lub luag haujlwm ntawd, uas tsis zoo ib yam li kev thuam—yog tias peb lees txais lub luag haujlwm ntawd, peb tuaj yeem hloov qhov no los ntawm kev lees paub qhov peb yuav tsum hloov yog txoj hauv kev uas peb cuam tshuam rau lub ntiaj teb ntuj, rau lwm yam kev xav, rau lub ntiaj teb. . Peb saib tam sim no raws li lub kwj uas peb tuaj yeem ua tau-peb tuaj yeem tsim txom thiab sib sau. Thiab nws tsis yog li ntawd. Muaj qhov sib npaug rau qhov xwm txheej, thiab peb tau ua txhaum qhov kev tshuav ntawd. Thiab qhov ntawd yog qhov qhia hauv Antarctica hnub no. Nws qhia thoob plaws lub ntiaj teb no. Lub ntiaj teb tab tom rov tsim qhov sib npaug ntawm peb tus nqi.

AMY GOODMAN: Oscar-raug xaiv tsa ua yeeb yam James Cromwell thiab Pramilla Malick tab tom mus kaw hnub no rau lawv qhov kev tawm tsam tsis ncaj ncees tawm tsam lub tuam txhab hluav taws xob hluav taws xob hluav taws xob uas siv roj hluav taws xob hauv Orange County, New York. Kuv xam phaj lawv hnub Thursday nrog Nermeen Shaikh. Cov neeg tawm tsam yuav xub tuav lub rooj sib tham ntawm qhov chaw tsim kho, tom qab ntawd tig lawv tus kheej mus rau hauv kaw.