By Transform Defense rau kev ruaj ntseg tib neeg, Kaum Ib Hlis 11, 2022
Raws li ib feem ntawm qhov xwm txheej Blue Zone Side Event ntawm COP27 ntawm kev cuam tshuam nrog kev ua tub rog thiab kev tsis sib haum xeeb cuam tshuam txog kev tso tawm raws li UNFCCC, TPNS tau raug caw los hais lus rau pej xeem kev xav. Nws tau tsim los ntawm Ukraine thiab txhawb nqa los ntawm CAFOD. TPNS tau koom nrog lawv cov npoj yaig ntawm Perspectives Climate Group, uas tau nthuav tawm peb cov ntawv tshaj tawm kev sib koom ua tub rog thiab kev tsis sib haum xeeb: Kyoto mus rau Glasgow thiab Tshaj. 150 tau tuaj koom qhov kev tshwm sim, suav nrog lub teb chaws xov xwm los ntawm lub teb chaws Yelemees, Switzerland Bloomberg thiab AFP. Deborah Burton kuj tseem tuaj yeem hais txog qee qhov kev tshawb pom ntawm lawv qhov kev sib koom ua ke-kev tshaj tawm luam tawm Lub Kaum Ib Hlis 10th nrog TNI thiab Nres Wappenhandel: Kev Nyab Xeeb Kev Nyab Xeeb- Yuav Ua Li Cas Tub Rog Kev Siv Hluav Taws Xob nrawm nrawm.
Cov pa hluav taws xob hauv tsev cog khoom los ntawm kev ua haujlwm ntawm cov tub rog hauv kev thaj yeeb nyab xeeb thiab kev ua tsov ua rog yog qhov tseem ceeb, nce mus txog ntau pua lab t CO2. Qhov xwm txheej tham txog yuav ua li cas qhov teeb meem tsis quav ntsej txog tam sim no tuaj yeem daws tau raws li UNFCCC thiab Daim Ntawv Pom Zoo Paris.
Cov neeg hais lus: Gov. ntawm Ukraine; Gov. ntawm Georgia; Gov. ntawm Moldova; Univ. ntawm Zurich thiab Kev Tshawb Fawb Kev Nyab Xeeb Kev Nyab Xeeb; Initiative ntawm GHG Accounting of War; Tipping Point North South.
Hais lus los ntawm Axel Michaelowa (Perspectives Climate Group)
Hais lus los ntawm Deborah Burton (Tipping Point North South)
transcript muaj nyob ntawm no.
Q&A
Lus Nug: Ua tsaug ntau rau lub vaj huam sib luag. Kuv cov lus nug yog hom leaning mus rau cov kauj ruam tom ntej, tab sis ntau dua tsuas yog coj kev sib tham ntxiv dua li kev cog qoob loo ntawm cov tub rog. Vim hais tias nrog txhua yam uas peb suav cov emissions rau, peb tab tom muaj qhov kev sib tham tsis yog tsuas yog txo qis emissions, tab sis hloov txoj kev peb ua haujlwm. Thiab kuv nyiam qhov uas peb tau hais txog tsis yog dab tsi ntawm kev ua tub rog ua, tab sis kuj yog qhov hluav taws kub uas tshwm sim thiab xav txog kev tsim kho dua tshiab. Yog li muaj ib qho kev sib tham uas peb yuav tsum muaj qhov ntawd ntxiv dua li cov tub rog tau txais ntau npaum li cas, tab sis kev hloov pauv huab cua tsis yog kev hem thawj rau peb txoj kev ua neej, nws yog qhov tshwm sim ntawm qhov ntawd. Thiab txoj kev ntawm lub neej no tseem muaj kev vam khom rau cov tub rog tub rog ob tus neeg ua phem thiab cov neeg raug tsim txom xws li Axel tau hais, yog li ntau lwm lub zej zog tau muaj teeb meem zoo sib xws. Thiab nws tsuas yog nkag mus rau hauv kev sib tham. Yog li tam sim no peb muaj qhov teeb meem ntawm qhov no, koj cov zej zog hu xov tooj rau ntau tshaj li kev suav xwb, tab sis tsuas yog yuav ua li cas peb txoj kev vam khom rau cov tub rog los teb rau ntau yam teeb meem, suav nrog kev hloov pauv huab cua uas tau tshwm sim los ntawm tub rog, puas yog lub ntsiab lus ntawm qhov uas peb yuav tsum tau txav mus los ua ib haiv neeg? Yog tias peb xav hais txog kev hloov pauv huab cua tiag tiag? Koj cov zej zog siv lub sijhawm no los coj kev sib tham ntxiv li cas?
Deborah Burton (ntawm Tipping Point North South): Kuv xav tias koj tau ntaus tus ntsia hlau ntawm lub taub hau, tiag tiag. Kuv txhais tau tias, peb paub tias peb yuav tsum tau, thiab peb tawm tsam. Peb tab tom thawb kom muaj kev hloov pauv tag nrho ntawm peb cov kev lag luam. IPCC, tsis ntev los no, kuv xav tias, tham txog Degrowth. Kuv tsis hnov degrowth hais ib nrab ntau npaum li nws yuav tsum. Peb xav tau ib qho kev hloov pauv ntawm qhov peb xav txog txoj cai txawv teb chaws thiab kev tiv thaiv, peb ua li cas kev sib raug zoo thoob ntiaj teb, nyob rau hauv lub ntsej muag ntawm peb qib.
Koj paub, nyob rau hauv xya xyoo tom ntej no, peb yuav tsum tau txais 45% txo. Los ntawm 2030. Nyob rau hauv xya xyoo, peb yuav siv tsawg kawg yog $15 trillion rau peb cov tub rog. Thiab muaj tag nrho lwm qhov kev sib tham nyob ib puag ncig, cov tub rog tab tom nrhiav kev nyab xeeb rau kev hloov pauv huab cua. Peb yuav tsum pib xav ib co tswv yim heev, loj heev txog qhov twg ntuj raug txim peb mus raws li ib hom. Peb tseem tsis tau pib xav txog qhov twg peb yuav mus nrog kev sib raug zoo thoob ntiaj teb. Thiab thaum muaj ib txwm muaj logic rau qhov peb tau mus rau qhov twg peb nyob. Tau kawg, peb tuaj yeem pom tias peb mus txog qhov twg peb nyob. Peb tab tom txav mus rau qhov tsis ncaj ncees lawm rau 21st thiab 22nd centuries.
Peb tsis txawm siv lo lus ruaj ntseg ntawm peb lub koom haum me. Peb tab tom hu nws txoj kev nyab xeeb ntawm tib neeg. Peb tab tom hu rau kev hloov pauv ntawm kev tiv thaiv kom muaj kev nyab xeeb ntawm tib neeg. Thiab qhov ntawd tsis tau txhais hais tias tib neeg thiab lub tebchaws tsis muaj cai tiv thaiv lawv tus kheej. Lawv yeej ua. Qhov ntawd yog tus naj npawb ib tus nqi tawm tsam tsoomfwv. Tab sis nws yog li cas peb txav deb ntawm 19th thiab 20th century framing? Yuav ua li cas peb ua lag luam raws li ib hom, raws li tib neeg? Yuav ua li cas peb txav qhov kev sib cav mus rau tom ntej?
Thiab kuv tsuas yog yuav tsum hais tias txhua yam uas tau tshwm sim niaj hnub no, koj paub, raws li lub koom haum me me me me, ib lub xyoo dhau los, peb xav ua raws li COP27 cov txheej txheem rau ib qho chaw. Peb tsis xav tias peb yuav nyob ntawm no thiab nws yog qhov txaus ntshai ntxeem tau ntawm Ukraine uas tau coj cov pa oxygen ntawm kev tshaj tawm rau qhov teeb meem no. Tab sis peb muaj ib lub moj khaum, peb muaj ib tug roadmap nyob rau hauv cov nqe lus ntawm tau txais nws nyob rau hauv cov txheej txheem. Thiab tej zaum los ntawm kev tau txais nws mus rau hauv cov txheej txheem, cov kev sib tham thiab cov tswv yim loj no yuav pib tshwm sim.
