Kōkua ke kaua i ka hoʻoulu ʻana i ka pilikia o ke aniau no ka mea ua ʻoi aku ka nui o nā kalapona kalapona o US ma mua o 140+ mau lāhui.

AMY GOODMAN: Ua haʻi aku ka Pelekikena mua ʻo ʻAmelika ʻo Barack Obama i ka UN Climat Summit i ka Pōʻakahi, e hoʻohewa ana i nā alakaʻi o Kina a me Rūsia no ka hele ʻole ʻana i nā kūkākūkā ma Glasgow.

BARAKA OBAMA: ʻAʻole hiki i ka hapa nui o nā lāhui ke hoʻomake e like me ka mea e pono ai. ʻO ka piʻi ʻana, ka piʻi ʻana o ka manaʻo a mākou i manaʻo ai ma Paris i ʻeono makahiki i hala aku nei ʻaʻole i ʻike like ʻia. Pono wau e haʻi aku, he mea hoʻohaʻahaʻa loa ka ʻike ʻana i nā alakaʻi o ʻelua o nā mea hoʻopuka nui loa o ka honua, ʻo Kina a me Rūsia, e hōʻole ʻole e hele i nā hana. A ʻo kā lākou mau hoʻolālā aupuni a hiki i kēia manawa ke hōʻike nei i ka mea i ʻike ʻia he pilikia ʻole o ka wikiwiki, kahi makemake e mālama i ka kūlana quo ma ka aoao o ia mau aupuni. A he mea hilahila kēlā.

AMY GOODMAN: ʻOiai ua koho ʻo Obama iā Kina a me Rūsia, ua hoʻohewa ākea ka poʻe hana hoʻoponopono hoʻoponopono i ka Pelekikena Obama no ka hoʻokō ʻole ʻana i nā ʻōlelo hoʻohiki i hana ʻia ma ke ʻano he pelekikena a no kāna kuleana e kiaʻi ana i ka pūʻali koa nui loa o ka honua. ʻO Mitzi Tan ka mea hoʻoikaika Filipina.

MITZI Hoa: Manaʻo wau he mea hōʻeha ka Pelekikena Obama, no ka mea, ua hoʻomaikaʻi ʻo ia iā ia iho ma ke ʻano he pelekikena ʻEleʻele nāna i mālama i ka poʻe kala, akā inā hana ʻo ia, ʻaʻole ʻo ia e hāʻule iā mākou. ʻAʻole ʻo ia e ʻae i kēia hana. ʻAʻole ʻo ia i pepehi i ka poʻe me ka pahu drone. A pili ia i ka pilikia ea, no ka mea, ʻo ka pūʻali koa US kekahi o nā mea hoʻohaumia nui loa a ke kumu hoʻi i ka pilikia aniau. A no laila, nui nā mea a Pelekikena Obama a me ʻAmelika e hana ai i mea e ʻōlelo maoli ai ʻo lākou nā alakaʻi o ke aniau a lākou e ʻōlelo nei.

AMY GOODMAN: Ua kāhea aku nā mea haʻi'ōlelo i ka Pōʻalima nui o ka pule i hala ma Glasgow i ke kuleana o ka pūʻali koa US i ka pilikia ea.

AYISHA SIDDIQA: ʻO Ayisha Siddiqa koʻu inoa. Hele mai au mai ka ʻāina ʻākau o Pakistan. … ʻOi aku ka nui o nā kapuaʻi kalapona makahiki o ka US Department of Defense ma mua o ka hapa nui o nā ʻāina ma ka Honua, a ʻo ia hoʻi ka mea hoʻohaumia nui loa ma ka Honua. ʻO kāna pūʻali koa ma koʻu ʻāina ua lilo ʻo ʻAmelika Hui Pū ʻIa ma luna o $ 8 trillion mai ka makahiki 1976. Ua kōkua ʻo ia i ka luku ʻana i ke kaiapuni ma Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, ke Kaiwa Persian nui a me Pakistan. ʻAʻole wale nā ​​kaua i hoʻokumu ʻia e ke Komohana i alakaʻi i nā spikes i ka carbon emissions, ua alakaʻi lākou i ka hoʻohana ʻana i ka uranium pau ʻole, a ua hana lākou i ka make ʻana o ka ea a me ka wai a ua alakaʻi i nā kīnā hānau, ka maʻi kanesa a me ka ʻeha o nā tausani o nā kānaka.

AMY GOODMAN: Ua manaʻo ka papahana Costs of War i ka pūʻali koa US i hana ma kahi o 1.2 biliona tonnes o ka carbon emissions ma waena o 2001 a me 2017, me kahi kokoke i ka hapakolu e hele mai ana mai nā kaua US ma waho, me Afghanistan a me Iraq. Ma kahi moʻolelo hoʻokahi, ʻoi aku ka nui o ka hoʻohaumia ʻana o ka pūʻali koa US ma mua o 140 mau ʻāina i hui pū ʻia, me ka nui o nā lāhui ʻenehana, e like me Suedena, Denmark a me Pokukala.

Eia nō naʻe, ua hoʻokuʻu ʻia nā hoʻokuʻu kalapona pūʻali koa mai nā kuʻikahi aniau o ka honua mai ka 1997 Kyoto Protocol, mahalo i ka lobbying mai ʻAmelika Hui Pū ʻIa. I kēlā manawa, he hui o nā neoconservatives, me ka hope pelekikena hope a laila-Halliburton CEO Ua hoʻopaʻapaʻa ʻo Dick Cheney i ka hoʻokuʻu ʻana i nā hoʻokuʻu kaua āpau.

Ma ka Pōʻakahi, ua hoʻokumu kekahi pūʻulu o nā mea hoʻoikaika kino i kahi kūʻē ma waho o ka COP ka nānā ʻana i ke kuleana o ka pūʻali koa US i ka pilikia aniau.

Ua hui pū ʻia mākou e ʻekolu mau malihini. I loko o ka UN climate summit, ua hui pū ʻo Ramón Mejía iā mākou, ka mea hoʻonohonoho aupuni anti-militarism o Grassroots Global Justice Alliance. He kauka lapaʻau ʻo ia no Iraq War. Ua hui pū ʻia mākou me Erik Edstrom, nāna i hakakā i ke Kaua Afghan a ma hope aʻe i aʻo i ka hoʻololi ʻana i ke aniau ma Oxford. ʻO ia ke kumu o ʻAʻole ʻAmelika: Ka helu ʻana o kahi koa i kā mākou kaua lōʻihi loa. Ke hui nei ʻo ia me mākou mai Bosetona. Aia pū me mākou, ma Glasgow, ʻo Neta Crawford. Aia ʻo ia me ka papahana Costs of War ma ke Kulanui ʻo Brown. He polopeka ʻo ia ma ke Kulanui ʻo Boston. Aia ʻo ia ma waho o ka COP.

Aloha mākou iā ʻoe a pau ʻO ka Democracy Nei! Ramón Mejía, e hoʻomaka kākou me ʻoe. Ua komo ʻoe i nā kūʻē i loko o ka COP a ma waho o ka COP. Pehea ʻoe i hele ai mai ke kaua ʻana i ke kaua ʻo Iraq i kahi mea hana hoʻoponopono hoʻoponopono?

KA LĀMI MEJÍA: Mahalo iā ʻoe no ka loaʻa ʻana mai iaʻu, e Amy.

Ua komo au i ka hoouka kaua ana ma Iraq i ka makahiki 2003. Ma ke ano o kela hoouka kaua ana, he hewa ia, ua hiki ia'u ke ike i ka luku wale ia ana o na hale hana o Iraq, o kona mau hale hooponopono wai, o ka lepo. A he mea hiki ʻole iaʻu ke noho me aʻu iho a ʻaʻole hiki iaʻu ke hoʻomau i ke kākoʻo. No laila, ma hope o ka haʻalele ʻana i ka pūʻali koa, pono wau e ʻōlelo a kūʻē i ka militarism US ma kēlā me kēia ʻano, ʻano a i ʻole nā ​​​​ʻano e hōʻike ʻia i loko o ko mākou kaiāulu. Ma Iraq wale nō, ke noiʻi nei ka poʻe Iraqi a ʻōlelo lākou ʻo lākou - loaʻa ka pōʻino kino ʻino loa i aʻo ʻia a noiʻi ʻia. No laila, ʻo kaʻu kuleana ma ke ʻano he koa kaua e ʻōlelo kūʻē i nā kaua, a ʻoi aku ka hopena o ke kaua ʻaʻole i ko mākou poʻe wale nō, ke kaiapuni a me ke aniau.

ʻO IOHN ʻO GONZÁLEZ: A, ʻo Ramón Mejía, pehea e pili ana i kēia pilikia o ke kuleana o ka pūʻali koa US i nā hoʻokuʻu wahie fossil? I kou wā i loko o ka pūʻali koa, aia kekahi manaʻo i waena o kou mau hoa GI e pili ana i kēia haumia nui a ka pūʻali koa e kipa aku nei ma ka honua?

KA LĀMI MEJÍA: I koʻu wā i ka pūʻali koa, ʻaʻohe kūkākūkā e pili ana i ka haunaele a mākou e hana nei. Ua alakaʻi au i nā hui hoʻolako hou a puni ka ʻāina, e hoʻopuka ana i nā mea kaua, hoʻopuka i nā pahu kaʻa, hāʻawi i nā ʻāpana hoʻoponopono. A ma ia kaʻina hana, ʻaʻohe aʻu mea i ʻike i ka waiho ʻana wale nō. ʻIke ʻoe, ʻo kā mākou pūʻali ponoʻī ke kanu nei i nā mea kaua a me nā ʻōpala i hoʻopau ʻia i waenakonu o ka wao nahele. Ke puhi nei mākou i ka ʻōpala, e hana ana i nā uahi ʻawaʻawa i hoʻopilikia i ka poʻe kahiko, ʻaʻole wale nā ​​​​mea kahiko, akā ʻo ka poʻe Iraqi a me nā mea e pili ana i kēlā mau lua ahi.

No laila, ʻo ka pūʻali koa US, ʻoiai he mea nui ka hoʻokuʻu ʻana, a he mea nui i loko o kēia mau kamaʻilio e pili ana i ke aniau e kamaʻilio ai mākou pehea e kāpae ʻia ai nā pūʻali koa a ʻaʻole pono e hōʻemi a hōʻike i nā hoʻokuʻu, pono mākou e kūkākūkā i ka hana ʻino a nā pūʻali koa. uku ma ko kakou mau kaiaulu, ma ke ea, ma ke kaiapuni.

Ua ʻike ʻoe, ua hele mai mākou me kahi ʻelele, he ʻelele mua o nā alakaʻi kumu he 60, ma lalo o ka hae o It Takes Roots, mai Indigenous Environmental Network, mai Climate Justice Alliance, mai Just Transition Alliance, mai Jobs with Justice. A ua hele mai mākou i ʻaneʻi e ʻōlelo ʻaʻohe net zero, ʻaʻohe kaua, ʻaʻohe hoʻomehana, mālama i ka lepo, no ka mea, ua ʻike ka nui o nā lālā o ko mākou kaiāulu i ka mea a ka pūʻali koa e hāʻawi ai.

Ua ʻōlelo kekahi o kā mākou ʻelele mai New Mexico, mai ka Southwest Organizing Project, i ke kahe ʻana o nā miliona a me nā miliona o ka wahie mokulele ma Kirtland Air Force Base. ʻOi aku ka nui o ka wahie i hoʻoheheʻe ʻia a hoʻoheheʻe ʻia i loko o nā aquifers o nā kaiāulu kokoke ma mua o ka Exxon Valdez, a ʻaʻole naʻe kēlā mau kamaʻilio ʻana. A loaʻa iā mākou kekahi ʻelele mai Puerto Rico a me Vieques, pehea ka hoʻāʻo ʻana o nā munitions a me nā hoʻāʻo ʻana i nā mea kaua kemika i ka mokupuni, a ʻoiai ʻaʻole ka US Navy i laila, ke hoʻomau nei ka maʻi kanesa i ka heluna kanaka.

ʻO IOHN ʻO GONZÁLEZ: A ua manaʻo ka hui ʻo Global Witness aia ma luna o 100 lanahu, ʻaila a me nā hui lobbyists a me kā lākou mau hui pili ma COP26. He aha kou manaʻo e pili ana i ka hopena o ka lobby wahie mōʻalihaʻi ma kēia hui?

KA LĀMI MEJÍA: ʻAʻole hiki ke kūkākūkā maoli e pili ana i ka hoʻololi ʻana i ke aniau inā ʻaʻole mākou e komo pū me ka pūʻali koa. ʻO ka pūʻali koa, e like me kā mākou e ʻike ai, ʻo ia ka mea kūʻai nui loa i nā wahie mōʻalihaku a ʻo ka mea hoʻoheheʻe nui loa o nā kinoea ʻōmaʻomaʻo ke kuleana nui no ka hoʻopilikia ʻana i ke aniau. No laila, inā loaʻa iā ʻoe nā ʻoihana wahie fossil i ʻoi aku ka nui o ka ʻelele ma mua o ka hapa nui o kā mākou kaiāulu mua a me ka Global South, a laila ke hoʻopaʻa ʻia nei mākou. ʻAʻole kēia wahi he wahi no nā kūkākūkā maoli. He kūkākūkā ia no nā hui transnational a me nā ʻoihana a me nā aupuni haumia e hoʻomau i ka hoʻāʻo a ʻimi i nā ala e hele ai e like me ka hana maʻamau me ka ʻole o ka hoʻopuka ʻana i ke kumu o ke kamaʻilio ʻana.

ʻIke ʻoe, kēia COP ua kapa ʻia ʻo net zero, ka COP o ka net zero, akā he unicorn hoʻopunipuni wale nō kēia. He hopena hoʻopunipuni, e like me ka hoʻomaʻamaʻa ʻana i ka pūʻali koa. ʻIke ʻoe, emissions, he mea nui e kūkākūkā kākou, akā ʻo ka ʻōmaʻomaʻo o ka pūʻali koa ʻaʻole ia ka hopena. Pono mākou e hoʻoponopono i ka hana ʻino a ka pūʻali koa a me nā hopena pōʻino i loaʻa i ko mākou honua.

No laila, nā kamaʻilio i loko o ka COP ʻaʻole ʻoiaʻiʻo, no ka mea ʻaʻole hiki iā mākou ke hoʻopaʻa i nā kamaʻilio kikoʻī a paʻa i kēlā mau kuleana. Pono mākou e ʻōlelo ma ka laulā. ʻIke ʻoe, ʻaʻole hiki iā mākou ke ʻōlelo i ka "pūʻali koa US"; pono mākou e ʻōlelo "koa." ʻAʻole hiki iā mākou ke ʻōlelo ʻo ko mākou aupuni ke kuleana nui o ka haumia; pono mākou e ʻōlelo ma ka laulā. No laila, ke loaʻa kēia kahua pāʻani unlevel, a laila ʻike mākou ʻaʻole maoli nā kūkākūkā ma aneʻi.

Ke kū nei nā kūkākūkā maoli a me ka loli maoli ma nā alanui me ko mākou mau kaiāulu a me kā mākou mau neʻe honua e hele mai nei e kūkākūkā wale akā e hoʻopili i ke kaomi. ʻO kēia - ʻike ʻoe, he aha ia? Ua kāhea mākou, ʻo ia ka COP ʻo ia, ʻike ʻoe, nā mea waiwai. ʻO ia ka hui ʻana o nā mea waiwai. ʻO ia ka mea. A ʻaʻole mākou e ʻae i kēia wahi kahi e noho ai ka mana. Aia mākou ma ʻaneʻi e hoʻoikaika, a eia nō hoʻi mākou e kamaʻilio no ko mākou mau hoa pili honua a me nā neʻe mai nā wahi a puni o ka honua i hiki ʻole ke hele mai i Glasgow ma muli o ka apartheid kano a me nā mea paʻa i ko lākou hele ʻana mai. e kūkākūkā i nā mea e hana nei ma ko lākou mau kaiaulu. No laila, eia mākou e hoʻokiʻekiʻe i ko lākou leo ​​a e hoʻomau i ke kamaʻilio ʻana - ʻike ʻoe, me lākou, i nā mea e hana nei a puni ka honua.

AMY GOODMAN: Ma waho aʻe o Ramón Mejía, ua hui pū ʻia mākou e kekahi kauka ʻo Marine Corps, a ʻo ia ʻo Erik Edstrom, Afghan War vet, ua hele e aʻo i ke aniau ma Oxford a kākau i ka puke. ʻAʻole ʻAmelika: Ka helu ʻana o kahi koa i kā mākou kaua lōʻihi loa. Inā hiki iā ʻoe ke kamaʻilio e pili ana - pono, e nīnau wau iā ʻoe i ka nīnau like me kaʻu i nīnau ai iā Ramón. Eia ʻoe he Koa Marine [ili] kahiko. Pehea ʻoe i hele ai mai ia mea i kahi mea hoʻoikaika kino, a he aha kā mākou e hoʻomaopopo ai e pili ana i nā kumukūʻai o ke kaua ma ka home a ma waho? Ua kaua ʻoe ma Afghanistan.

ERIK EDSTROM: Mahalo iā ʻoe, e Amy.

ʻAe, ʻo koʻu manaʻo, e kala wau inā ʻaʻole wau e hoʻoponopono pōkole, ʻo ia hoʻi he luna koa au, a i ʻole he pūʻali koa mua, a ʻaʻole makemake wau e lawe i ka wela mai koʻu mau hoa hana no ka kuhi hewa ʻana he Luna moana.

Akā ʻo ka huakaʻi i ka hoʻoulu ʻana i ke aniau, manaʻo wau, ua hoʻomaka i koʻu wā i Afghanistan a ʻike mākou e hoʻoponopono ana mākou i ka pilikia hewa ma ke ala hewa. Ua nalo mākou i nā pilikia o luna e kākoʻo ana i nā kulekele ʻē aʻe a puni ka honua, ʻo ia ka haunaele i hana ʻia e ka hoʻololi ʻana i ke aniau, kahi e hoʻopilikia ai i nā kaiāulu ʻē aʻe. Hoʻokumu ia i ka pilikia geopolitical. A ʻo ke kālele ʻana iā Afghanistan, e pāʻani pono ana i ka Taliban whack-a-mole, ʻoiai ka nānā ʻole ʻana i ka pilikia o ke aniau, ua like ia me ka hoʻohana weliweli ʻana i nā mea nui.

No laila, ʻike koke ʻoe, i koʻu pau ʻana i kaʻu ʻoihana koa, makemake wau e aʻo i kaʻu manaʻo ʻo ia ka pilikia nui e kū nei i kēia hanauna. A i kēia lā, i ka noʻonoʻo ʻana i ka hoʻokuʻu ʻana o ka pūʻali koa i ka helu helu holoʻokoʻa ma ka honua holoʻokoʻa, ʻaʻole wale ka naʻauao hoʻopunipuni e haʻalele iā lākou, he kuleana ʻole a pōʻino.

ʻO IOHN ʻO GONZÁLEZ: A, Erik, makemake wau e nīnau iā ʻoe e pili ana i ka pilina ma waena o ka ʻaila a me ka pūʻali koa, ka pūʻali koa US a me nā pūʻali koa imperial ʻē aʻe a puni ka honua. Aia ka pilina o nā pūʻali koa e ʻimi nei e hoʻomalu i nā waiwai aila i ka wā kaua, a ʻo ia hoʻi ka poʻe hoʻohana nui i kēia mau waiwai aila e hoʻonui ai i ko lākou mana koa, ʻaʻole anei?

ERIK EDSTROM: Ua loaʻa. Manaʻo wau ua hana maikaʻi ʻo Amy i ka hana ʻana, a pēlā pū ka mea haʻi'ōlelo, a puni ka pūʻali koa ʻo ia ka mea kūʻai nui loa o nā wahie fossil i ka honua, a ke manaʻo nei au ʻo ia ka mea e hoʻokele i kekahi o ka hoʻoholo ʻana i ka pūʻali koa. ʻOi aku ka nui o ka hoʻokuʻu ʻana i ka pūʻali koa US ma mua o ka mokulele kīwila a me ka hoʻouna ʻana i hui pū ʻia. Akā ʻo kekahi o nā mea aʻu i makemake nui ai e hoʻihoʻi i ka home i kēia kamaʻilio ʻana e pili ana i kahi mea i kūkākūkā nui ʻole ʻia i nā kumukūʻai o ke kaua, ʻo ia ke kumukūʻai o ke kalapona a i ʻole nā ​​​​hopena maikaʻi ʻole e pili ana i kā mākou bootprint honua ma ke ʻano he pūʻali koa a puni ka honua. .

A ua pololei ʻo Amy e kuhikuhi i kēlā - e ʻōlelo ana i ka Brown University Watson Institute a me ka 1.2 billion metric tons o ka hoʻokuʻu ʻia mai ka pūʻali koa i ka wā o ke kaua honua i ka weliweli. A ke nānā ʻoe i nā haʻawina olakino lehulehu e hoʻomaka ana e hana i ka helu helu e ʻōlelo ai i ka nui o nā tone āu e hoʻopuka ai i mea e hōʻeha ai i kekahi ma nā wahi ʻē aʻe o ka honua, aia ma kahi o 4,400 tonnes. No laila, inā ʻoe e hana i ka helu helu maʻalahi, hiki i ke kaua honua i ka weliweli ke kumu i ka 270,000 e pili ana i ka make e pili ana i ke aniau a puni ka honua, kahi e hoʻonui ai a hoʻonui i ke kumukūʻai kiʻekiʻe o ke kaua a hoʻohaʻahaʻa i nā pahuhopu i manaʻo ʻia e ka pūʻali koa. e hoʻokō, ʻo ia ke kūpaʻa. A ʻo ka moʻomeheu, ke hoʻohaʻahaʻa nei ia i ka ʻōlelo mikionali a me ka hoʻohiki ʻana o ka pūʻali koa, ʻo ia ka pale ʻana i nā ʻAmelika a lilo i ikaika honua no ka maikaʻi, inā ʻoe e lawe i kahi hiʻohiʻona honua a i ʻole globalization. No laila, ʻo ka hoʻohaʻahaʻa ʻana i ka pilikia o ke aniau a me ka turbocharging ʻaʻole ia ke kuleana o ka pūʻali koa, a pono mākou e kau i ke kaomi hou no lākou e hōʻike a hōʻemi i kāna kapuaʻi kalapona nui.

AMY GOODMAN: No ka hoʻokomo ʻana i ka nīnau ʻoi aʻe a Juan - Ke hoʻomanaʻo nei au i kēia ʻakaʻaka kaumaha me ka hoʻouka kaua ʻana o ʻAmelika iā Iraq, kahi keikikāne e ʻōlelo ana i kona makuakāne, "He aha kā mākou ʻaila e hana nei ma lalo o ko lākou one?" Ke noʻonoʻo nei au inā hiki iā ʻoe ke wehewehe hou aku, e Erik Edstrom, i ka mea e hoʻokuʻu ai i ka pūʻali koa. A he aha ka hoʻomaopopo ʻana o ka Pentagon? ʻO koʻu manaʻo, no nā makahiki, i ka wā e uhi ana mākou i nā kaua Bush, ma lalo o George W. Bush, aia ka - e ʻōlelo mau mākou ʻaʻole lākou e kamaʻilio e pili ana i kā lākou noiʻi Pentagon ponoʻī e ʻōlelo ana ʻo ka hoʻololi ʻana i ke aniau ka pilikia koʻikoʻi o ka 21st century . Akā he aha kā lākou e hoʻomaopopo ai, ʻo ka mea āpau e pili ana i ka pilikia a me ke kuleana o ka Pentagon i ka hoʻohaumia ʻana i ka honua?

ERIK EDSTROM: ʻO koʻu manaʻo, manaʻo wau aia ma nā pae kiʻekiʻe o ke keleawe i loko o ka pūʻali koa, aia ka hoʻomaopopo ʻana he hoʻoweliweli maoli ka hoʻololi ʻana i ke aniau. Aia kekahi ʻokoʻa, ʻoiai, ʻo ia kahi wahi o ka hoʻopaʻapaʻa, ʻo ia hoʻi: He aha ka hana a ka pūʻali koa e hana pono ai e pili ana iā ia, a laila kikoʻī i kāna mau hoʻoiho? Inā hōʻike ka pūʻali koa i kona kapuaʻi kalapona piha a hana mau i kēlā me kēia manawa, e hilahila loa kēlā helu a hoʻokumu i ka nui o ka hoʻoikaika politika i ka pūʻali koa US e hōʻemi i kēlā mau hoʻokuʻu i mua. No laila hiki iā ʻoe ke hoʻomaopopo i ko lākou makemake ʻole.

Akā naʻe, pono mākou e helu pono i nā hoʻokuʻu kaua, no ka mea, ʻaʻole ia he mea nui ke kumu. Inā hele mai ia mai kahi mokulele kīwila a i ʻole mokulele koa, i ke aniau ponoʻī, ʻaʻole ia he mea nui. A pono mākou e helu i kēlā me kēia tonne o ka hoʻokuʻu ʻana, me ka nānā ʻole ʻana inā he kūpono ʻole ka politika ke hana pēlā. A me ka ʻole o ka hōʻike ʻana, ke holo makapō nei mākou. No ka hana mua ʻana i ka decarbonization, pono mākou e ʻike i nā kumu a me ka nui o kēlā mau hoʻokuʻu kaua, i hiki i kā mākou mau alakaʻi a me nā poʻe kālai'āina ke hoʻoholo i nā kumu e makemake ai lākou e pani mua. ʻO nā kahua o nā ʻāina ʻē? He kahua kaʻa paha ia? ʻAʻole ʻike ʻia kēlā mau hoʻoholo, a ʻaʻole hiki iā mākou ke hana i nā koho akamai ma ka naʻauao a me ka hoʻolālā, a hiki i ka puka ʻana o kēlā mau helu.

AMY GOODMAN: Kekahi noiʻi hou mai Brown University's Costs of War papahana hōʻike i ka 'Oihana o ka Homeland Security ua overly kālele 'ana i ka haole a me ka haole-hoʻoweliweli hoʻoweliweli, oiai hoouka kaua i loko o ka US ua hele pinepine mai mai loko mai kumu, oe ike, e kamaʻilio e pili ana i keʻokeʻo supremacy. , o kahi laʻana. Aia ʻo Neta Crawford me mākou. Aia ʻo ia ma waho o ka COP i kēia manawa, ka UN summit. ʻO ia ka mea hoʻokumu a me ka luna o ka papahana Costs of War ma Brown. He polopeka ʻo ia a he luna ʻoihana o ka ʻepekema politika ma ke Kulanui ʻo Boston. ʻO Professor Crawford, aloha mākou iā ʻoe ʻO ka Democracy Nei! No ke aha ʻoe i ka piko o ke aniau? E kamaʻilio maʻamau mākou iā ʻoe e pili ana i nā kumukūʻai o ke kaua.

NETA CRAWFORD: Mahalo, Amy.

Aia wau ma ʻaneʻi no ka mea he nui nā kulanui ma UK i hoʻomaka i kahi hoʻolālā e hoʻāʻo e hoʻokomo i nā hoʻokuʻu kaua pūʻali koa i loko o nā ʻōlelo a kēlā me kēia ʻāina no kā lākou hoʻokuʻu ʻana. I kēlā me kēia makahiki, ʻo kēlā me kēia ʻāina ma Annex I - ʻo ia hoʻi, nā ʻaoʻao o ke kuʻikahi mai Kyoto - pono e hoʻokomo i kekahi o kā lākou hoʻokuʻu kaua i loko o kā lākou mau waihona ʻāina, akā ʻaʻole ia he helu helu piha. A ʻo ia kā mākou makemake e ʻike.

ʻO IOHN ʻO GONZÁLEZ: A, ʻo Neta Crawford, hiki iā ʻoe ke kamaʻilio e pili ana i ka mea i hoʻopaʻa inoa ʻole ʻia a nānā ʻole ʻia e pili ana i ka pūʻali koa? ʻAʻole wale ka wahie e hoʻoikaika ai i nā mokulele o kahi pūʻali ea a i ʻole nā ​​moku. Ma muli o nā haneli a me nā haneli o nā kahua kaua a ʻAmelika Hui Pū ʻIa a puni ka honua, he aha kekahi o nā ʻano o ka wāwae kalapona o ka pūʻali koa US i nānā ʻole ʻia e nā kānaka?

NETA CRAWFORD: ʻAe, manaʻo wau aia ʻekolu mau mea e hoʻomanaʻo ai ma aneʻi. ʻO ka mea mua, aia nā emissions mai nā hoʻonohonoho. Aia ma kahi o 750 mau pūʻali koa ma ʻAmelika Hui Pū ʻIa ma waho, ma waho, a aia ma kahi o 400 ma US A ʻo ka hapa nui o ia mau hoʻonohonoho ma waho, ʻaʻole mākou i ʻike i ke ʻano o kā lākou hoʻokuʻu ʻana. A ʻo ia ma muli o ka hoʻoholo ʻana o Kyoto Protocol i ka makahiki 1997 e kāpae i kēlā mau hoʻokuʻu ʻana a i ʻole e helu iā lākou no ka ʻāina i loaʻa ai nā waihona.

No laila, ʻo ka mea ʻē aʻe a mākou i ʻike ʻole ai he hapa nui o nā hoʻokuʻu mai nā hana. No laila, ma Kyoto, ua hoʻoholo ʻia ʻaʻole e hoʻokomo i nā hana mai ke kaua i ʻae ʻia e United Nations a i ʻole nā ​​​​hana multilateral ʻē aʻe. No laila ʻaʻole i hoʻokomo ʻia kēlā mau emissions.

Aia kekahi mea i kapa ʻia ʻo - i kapa ʻia ʻo bunker fuels, ʻo ia nā wahie i hoʻohana ʻia ma nā mokulele a me nā mokulele - kala wau, nā mokulele a me nā moku i nā wai honua. ʻO ka hapa nui o nā hana a ka Navy United States aia i nā wai honua, no laila ʻaʻole mākou ʻike i kēlā mau hoʻokuʻu. Ua kāpae ʻia kēlā mau mea. I kēia manawa, ʻo ke kumu o ia mea, i ka makahiki 1997, ka ʻO DOD Ua hoʻouna aku i kahi memo i ka Hale Paʻa e ʻōlelo ana inā e hoʻokomo ʻia nā mikiona, a laila pono paha ka pūʻali koa US e hōʻemi i kāna mau hana. A ua ʻōlelo lākou i kā lākou memo, he 10% ka emi ʻana o nā emissions e alakaʻi i ka hemahema o ka mākaukau. A ʻo ka mākaukau ʻole, ʻaʻole mākaukau ʻo ʻAmelika e hana i ʻelua mau mea. ʻOi aku ka ʻoi aku o ka pūʻali koa a kaua i ke kaua i kēlā me kēia manawa, ma nā wahi āpau, a laila, ʻo ka lua, ʻaʻole hiki iā lākou ke pane aku i ka mea a lākou i ʻike ai i ka pilikia e kū nei mākou. A no ke aha lākou i ʻike ai i ka makahiki 1997? No ka mea, ua aʻo lākou i ka pilikia ea mai nā makahiki 1950 a me 1960, a ua ʻike lākou i ka hopena o nā kinoea hoʻomehana honua. No laila, ʻo ia ka mea i hoʻokomo ʻia a me ka mea i kāpae ʻia.

A aia kekahi ʻano nui o ka hoʻokuʻu ʻana a mākou i ʻike ʻole ai, ʻo ia kekahi e puka mai ana mai loko mai o ka pūʻali koa-ʻoihana. Pono e hana ʻia nā mea hana a pau a mākou e hoʻohana ai ma kahi. ʻO ka hapa nui o ia mea mai nā hui koa-ʻoihana nui ma ʻAmelika Hui Pū ʻIa. Hoʻomaopopo kekahi o ia mau ʻoihana i kā lākou, nā mea i ʻike ʻia ʻo ka hoʻokuʻu pololei a me ke ʻano ʻole, akā ʻaʻole mākou ʻike i ke kaulahao lako holoʻokoʻa. No laila, ua manaʻo wau ua hoʻopuka nā ʻoihana koa-ʻoihana kiʻekiʻe e pili ana i ka nui o ka hoʻokuʻu ʻana i ka wahie mōʻalihaku, ka hoʻoheheʻe ʻana i ka ʻōmaʻomaʻo, e like me ka pūʻali koa i hoʻokahi makahiki. No laila, ʻoiaʻiʻo, ke noʻonoʻo mākou e pili ana i ka wāwae kalapona holoʻokoʻa o ka pūʻali koa ʻAmelika Hui Pū ʻIa, pono e ʻōlelo ʻia ʻaʻole mākou e helu i nā mea āpau. A eia kekahi, ʻaʻole mākou e helu i nā hoʻokuʻu ʻana o ka Department of Homeland Security - ʻaʻole wau i helu iā lākou i kēia manawa - a pono e hoʻokomo pū ʻia kēlā mau mea.

AMY GOODMAN: Ua makemake au e—

ʻO IOHN ʻO GONZÁLEZ: A -

AMY GOODMAN: E hele mua, Juan.

ʻO IOHN ʻO GONZÁLEZ: Hiki iā ʻoe ke kamaʻilio e pili ana i nā lua kuni? Pono ka pūʻali koa US ma ke ao holoʻokoʻa, ʻo ia ma nā wahi a pau e hele ai, hoʻopau mau ia i nā mea ma ke ala i waho, inā he kaua a he ʻoihana paha. Hiki iā ʻoe ke kamaʻilio e pili ana i nā lua kuni?

NETA CRAWFORD: ʻAʻole wau ʻike nui e pili ana i nā lua kuni, akā ʻike wau i kekahi mea o ka mōʻaukala o ka luku ʻia ʻana o ke kaiapuni i hana ʻia e kekahi pūʻali koa. Mai ka wā colonial a hiki i ke Kaua Kivila, i ka wā i hana ʻia ai nā hale lāʻau o ke Kaua Kivila mai nā ululāʻau holoʻokoʻa i ʻoki ʻia, a i ʻole nā ​​​​alanui i hana ʻia mai nā kumulāʻau, ua lilo ka pūʻali koa ʻAmelika i mea hana e luku ai i ke kaiapuni. I loko o ke Kaua Kipi a me ke Kaua Kivila, a maopopo loa ma Vietnam a me Korea, ua lawe aku ʻo ʻAmelika i nā wahi, nā ululāʻau a i ʻole nā ​​ululāʻau, kahi a lākou i manaʻo ai e peʻe ka poʻe kipi.

No laila, ʻo nā lua kuni he ʻāpana wale nō o kahi ʻano nui o ka mālama ʻole ʻana i ka lewa a me ke kaiapuni, ka ʻona ʻona. A ʻo nā kemika i waiho ʻia ma nā kumu, e kahe ana mai nā pahu no ka wahie, he mea make. No laila, aia kahi - e like me ka ʻōlelo a nā mea ʻōlelo ʻelua, aia kahi kapuaʻi pōʻino kaiapuni nui a mākou e noʻonoʻo ai.

AMY GOODMAN: ʻO ka hope loa, i ka makahiki 1997, he hui o nā neoconservatives, me ka hope pelekikena hope, a laila-Halliburton. CEO Ua hoʻopaʻapaʻa ʻo Dick Cheney i ka hoʻokuʻu ʻana i nā hoʻokuʻu kaua āpau mai ka Kyoto Protocol. I loko o ka leka, ua kākau ʻo Cheney, me Ambassador Jeane Kirkpatrick, ke Kakauolelo Kāleka mua ʻo Caspar Weinberger, ma ka "hoʻokuʻu wale ʻana i nā hoʻomaʻamaʻa pūʻali koa US he multinational a me ke kanaka, nā hana pūʻali koa unilateral - e like me Grenada, Panama a me Libya - e lilo i ka politika a me ka diplomatically. ʻoi aku ka paʻakikī." Erik Edstrom, kāu pane?

ERIK EDSTROM: Manaʻo wau, ʻoiaʻiʻo, e ʻoi aku ka paʻakikī. A ke manaʻo nei au he kuleana ko mākou, ma ke ʻano he kamaʻāina paʻa, e hoʻoikaika i ko mākou aupuni e lawe koʻikoʻi i kēia hoʻoweliweli. A inā ʻaʻole e piʻi aʻe ko mākou aupuni, pono mākou e koho i nā alakaʻi hou e hana ana i ka mea kūpono, e hoʻololi i ke au a hoʻokau maoli i ka hoʻoikaika e koi ʻia ma ʻaneʻi, no ka mea, ʻoiaʻiʻo, ke hilinaʻi nei ke ao nei. ia.

AMY GOODMAN: ʻAe, e hoʻopau mākou ma laila akā, ʻoiaʻiʻo, e hoʻomau i ka hahai ʻana i kēia pilikia. ʻO Erik Edstrom he kauka lapaʻau kaua ʻo Afghan, he puka puka mai West Point. Ua aʻo ʻo ia i ke aniau ma Oxford. A ʻo kāna puke ʻAʻole ʻAmelika: Ka helu ʻana o kahi koa i kā mākou kaua lōʻihi loa. Aia ʻo Ramón Mejía i loko o ka COP, mea hoʻonohonoho aupuni anti-militarism me Grassroots Global Justice Alliance. He kauka lapaʻau ʻo ia no Iraq War. Ua komo ʻo ia i nā kūʻē i loko a i waho o ka COP ma Glasgow. A me mākou pū kekahi, ʻo Neta Crawford, ka papahana Costs of War ma ke Kulanui ʻo Brown. He polopeka ʻo ia no ka ʻepekema politika ma ke Kulanui ʻo Boston.

Ke hoʻi mai mākou, hele mākou i Stella Moris. ʻO ia ka hoa o Julian Assange. No laila, he aha kāna hana ma Glasgow, ʻoiai ʻo ia e kamaʻilio e pili ana i ka hōʻike ʻana o WikiLeaks i ka hoʻokamani o nā lāhui waiwai i ka hoʻoponopono ʻana i ka pilikia ea? A no ke aha ʻaʻole ʻo ia a me Julian Assange - no ke aha ʻaʻole hiki iā lāua ke male? ʻO nā luna hale paʻahao ʻo Belmarsh, ke ʻōlelo nei ʻo Pelekane ʻaʻole? E noho pū me mākou.