By Ka Hoaloha,'Aukake 14, 2025
Ua kamaʻilio ʻo Yurii Sheliazhenko iā Matthew Syed o ka BBC no ka papahana Radio 4 Sideways.
Ua haʻi aku kahi Quaker ma Ukraine i ka BBC i kona pilikia i ka hōʻole ʻana e komo i ka pūʻali koa o ka ʻāina.
ʻO Yurii Sheliazhenko, no ka hui hou o nā Hoa ma Ukraine, noho ʻo ia ma Kyiv. Ua kamaʻilio ʻo ia iā Matthew Syed o ka BBC no ka Radio 4 Mahele papahana, no ka mini-series i kapa ʻia 'Chasing Peace'.
Ua ulu ʻo Yurii, kanahākūmākolu, ma waena o ka hopena o ke kaua anu. Ma hope o ka hāʻule ʻana o ka Soviet Union 'me he mea hewa ia iaʻu he pūʻali koa kā mākou, a mākaukau no ke kaua'. Ua hoʻoholo ʻo ia i ka makahiki 2019 e lilo mau ʻo ia i mea hōʻole conscientious (CO).
Ua haʻi ʻo ia iā Matthew Syed - ʻo kona kupuna kāne ponoʻī kekahi o 60,000 mau mea hōʻole i ke kaua honua ʻelua - ua 'moe ʻo ia i ka maluhia'. ʻO kāna manaʻoʻiʻo Quaker, ka mea i 'kūʻē i ka hakakā no nā haneli mau makahiki,' alakaʻi iā ia e manaʻoʻiʻo 'inā pepehi ʻoe i kekahi, pepehi ʻoe i ko ke Akua i loko o lākou'.
Ma hope o ka hoʻomaka ʻana o ke kaua, ʻōlelo ʻo ia, 'ʻEkolu mau mea hoʻolimalima i hele mai i koʻu home a hoʻāʻo e hāʻawi mai iaʻu i kahi kelepona. Ua hōʻole au e lawe. Ua uhaʻi lākou i kaʻu pahu leka e hoʻokomo ai. Ma hope mai ua puhi au i kaʻu kāleka kikoʻī, ma ka International Day of Conscientious Objectors.'
Ua kākau ʻo ia i kahi kāhea no ka maluhia, e hoʻāhewa ana i ka huhū Lūkini akā e kāhea ana i kahi ʻōlelo hoʻoholo maluhia, e ʻōlelo ana i ke kuleana i ʻae ʻia e United Nations e hōʻole i ka pepehi kanaka. Ua hoʻouna ʻo ia i ka pelekikena, ʻo Volodymyr Zelenskyy.
Ua unuhi ʻia kāna palapala ma ke ʻano he hoʻoweliweli i ka palekana aupuni, a, hoʻokahi makahiki i ke kaua, ua hoʻouka nā luna i kona home. E like me ka hoike ma ka Hoaloha i ka makahiki i hala, ua hoʻopiʻi ʻia ʻo ia me ka 'hōʻoia ʻana i ka huhū Lūkini', a waiho ʻia ma lalo o ka hopu hale.
ʻO ke kuleana i ka hōʻole ʻana i ka ʻoihana koa i ke kumukānāwai ma Ukraine, akā ua kaupalena ʻia kāna noi i ka wā kaua. ʻAʻole i loaʻa ke koho o ka lawelawe ʻokoʻa ma hope o ka hoʻolaha ʻia ʻana o ke kānāwai koa ma 2022. Wahi a War Resisters 'International he mau haneli mau hihia e kali nei i nā CO, me ka hoʻopaʻi ʻoi loa o ʻekolu a ʻelima mau makahiki.
Ua haʻi ʻo Yurii iā Matthew Syed i kāna 'ʻike koke' ʻo ke koho ʻana i ka maluhia ua lilo ia i ʻenemi. He 'kaumaha loa kēia', akā 'pono 'oe e noho 'oia'i'o i kou 'ano maluhia… 'a'ole au e 'ae i kekahi e koi mai ia'u e pepehi'.
Ua ʻae ʻo Syed he paʻakikī kēia ala e hoʻohuli i kou poʻo a puni, akā ʻike ʻo ia, ma o kona kupuna kāne ponoʻī, ʻaʻole ia ka hopena o ka makaʻu. Ma ka ʻatikala e kamaʻilio pū ʻo ia me: Rachel Julian, he kumu aʻoaʻo no ka Peace Studies ma Leeds Beckett University; ʻO Wasim Almasri, ka luna o nā papahana o ka Alliance for Middle East Peace; a me Lisa Schirch, he polopeka o ka Practice of Technology and Peacebuilding ma ke Kulanui o Notre Dame.
E hoʻolele ʻia ka papahana ma ka Radio 4 ma ka lā 30 Iulai. Loaʻa ia i kēia manawa ma https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m002g7b9.
