Ke hoʻomau nei ʻo Trump Admin i nā mea hoʻoweliweli a me nā hoʻonāukiuki kūʻē iā North Korea, e kau ana i ke kahua no ke kaua nuklea.

AMY GOODMAN: ʻo kēia ʻO ka Democracy Nei!, democracynow.org, ʻO ke kaua a me ka'ōlelo hoʻomalu. ʻO wau ʻo Amy Goodman, me Nermeen Shaikh.

NERMEEN KANAKA: Huli mākou i kēia manawa i North Korea, kahi e hoʻomau ai ka hoʻopaʻapaʻa me ʻAmelika Hui Pū ʻIa. I ka huakaʻi hele ʻana i ʻAsia i hoʻokahi pule, ua ʻōlelo ʻo Kāleka ʻo James Mattis i kahi hoʻoholo diplomatic no ke kū ʻana ma waena o nā ʻāina ʻelua, akā ua ʻōlelo ʻo ia ʻaʻole e ʻae ʻo ʻAmelika i kahi nuklea North Korea. ʻO Mattis kēia e kamaʻilio nei i ka Pōʻaono i ka wā o kahi hui me kāna hoa Korea Hema, ʻo Song Young-moo, ma Seoul.

ke pale ana KAIKAI ʻO JAMES MATIS: Mai kuhi hewa ʻole: E pio ana kēlā me kēia hoʻouka kaua ʻana ma ʻAmelika Hui Pū ʻIa a i ʻole kā mākou mau hoa pili. ʻO kēlā me kēia hoʻohana ʻana i nā mea kaua nuklea e ka ʻĀkau e hālāwai me ka pane pūʻali koa nui, maikaʻi a paʻakikī. … ʻAʻole hiki iaʻu ke noʻonoʻo i kahi kūlana e ʻae ai ʻo ʻAmelika Hui Pū ʻIa i North Korea ma ke ʻano he mana nuklea.

NERMEEN KANAKA: Ua hōʻea ʻo Mattis i South Korea i ka Pōʻalima no kahi huakaʻi ʻelua lā i ka ʻāina, ma mua o kahi kipa ma hope o kēia pule i ka ʻāina e Donald Trump. Manaʻo ʻia ʻo Trump e kipa aku iā Kina, Vietnam, Iapana, Philippines a me South Korea ma kahi kipa 12 lā. Ua māhele ʻia nā luna o ka Hale Paʻi keʻokeʻo inā e kipa aku ʻo Trump i ka Demilitarized Zone ma waena o ka ʻĀkau a me ka Hema i ka wā o ka huakaʻi, me ka hopohopo e hiki ke hoʻonui i ka hoʻoweliweli ʻana o ke kaua nuklea.

AMY GOODMAN: Ke kūkulu ʻia nei nā ʻāʻī ma waena o North Korea a me ʻAmelika Hui Pū ʻIa ma hope o ke ʻano o nā hoʻāʻo nuklea a me nā missile e Pyongyang a me nā kamaʻilio waha ikaika ma waena o Trump a me ke alakaʻi o North Korea ʻo Kim Jong-un. Ua hoʻoweliweli ʻo Trump e luku iā North Korea, kahi lāhui o 25 miliona mau kānaka. Ua hoʻopuka ʻo Trump i ka mahina i hala aku nei, "Ua lohe wale ʻo ia i ke Kuhina Haole o North Korea e kamaʻilio ma UN Inā hoʻokani ʻo ia i nā manaʻo o Little Rocket Man, ʻaʻole lākou e lōʻihi aku!" Ua hele mai ka tweet a Trump i ka ʻōlelo ʻana o ke Kuhina Haole o North Korea ʻo Ri Yong-ho aia ʻo Trump ma kahi "misiona pepehi kanaka." Ke koi nei ka Congressional Democrats i nā kānāwai e pale aku ai i ka Pelekikena Trump mai ka hoʻokuʻu ʻana i kahi kuʻi preemptive kūʻē iā North Korea.

ʻAe, no nā mea hou aku, ua hui pū mākou me Christine Ahn, ka mea hoʻokumu a me ka luna hoʻokō o Women Cross DMZ, he neʻe honua o nā wahine e hoʻoneʻe nei e hoʻopau i ke Kaua Korea. Ke kamaʻilio nei ʻo ia iā mākou mai Hawaiʻi.

Christine, mahalo no kou hui hou ʻana mai iā mākou ʻO ka Democracy Nei! Hiki iā ʻoe ke kamaʻilio e pili ana i ka hopena o kēia kipa ʻana e Mattis a me ka piʻi hou ʻana o ka ʻāʻī ʻana o ka US-North Korea a me ka mea a mākou e manaʻo ai i ka hele ʻana o Pelekikena Trump i ka ʻāina i kekahi mau lā?

KAULA AHN: Aloha kakahiaka e Amy.

Me he mea lā ka ʻōlelo a Mattis, ʻoi aku ma ka DMZ, ʻaʻole makemake ka US e hele i ke kaua me North Korea, he ʻano ʻōlelo preemptive ma mua-ma mua o ko Trump kipa ʻana i Asia, ʻoi aku hoʻi i South Korea, kahi e makaʻu ai ka poʻe South Korea iā Donald Trump ma mua o kā Kim Jong-un. A, ʻoiaʻiʻo, ke hoʻolālā ʻia nei nā kūʻē nui. Aia ka lā hoʻomanaʻo o ka hoʻololi ʻana i ke kukui kukui i kēia hopena pule i hala, a ma luna o 220 mau hui kīwila i haʻi aku e mālama lākou i nā kūʻē nui mai ka lā 4 o Nowemapa a hiki i ka lā 7 a puni ka ʻāina, me ka haʻi ʻana ʻaʻole kaua, ʻaʻohe hoʻomaʻamaʻa kaua hou, e hoʻōki i ka brinksmanship. ʻIke maopopo ʻia ka hoʻoweliweli ʻana i ka hapa nui o ka poʻe ma South Korea a me ka nui o ka poʻe i loaʻa ka ʻohana ma North Korea. No laila, ke manaʻo nei au, ʻike ʻoe, he ʻano hana kūpono ia e hōʻoluʻolu i ka poʻe South Korea, no ka mea, maopopo, e hele mai ʻo Trump a hana i kekahi mau ʻōlelo hoʻonāukiuki. A manaʻo wau he ʻāpana ia o ka hana e hana ai.

ʻO ka mea a mākou e lohe pinepine ʻole ai ma ka pāpaho, ʻoiai, ua hoʻouna ʻo ʻAmelika i ʻekolu mau mokulele nuklea e hoʻopaʻa ʻia ma ka Peninsula Korea. Ke alakaʻi nei lākou i nā hoʻomaʻamaʻa kaua hoʻonāukiuki loa me South Korea, me nā Navy SEAL i lawe iā Osama bin Laden. Hoʻokomo pū lākou i ka ʻoki ʻoki ʻana. A no laila, ʻike ʻoe, hoʻokahi mea e ʻōlelo ai, "ʻAʻole mākou makemake i ke kaua me North Korea," a ʻo kekahi e waiho maoli i nā kumu no ia. A ʻaʻole ʻo nā hana hoʻoweliweli wale nō e hana nei, akā ʻo nā hoʻoweliweli. ʻO kaʻu manaʻo, ke hoʻomau nei mākou i ka lohe ʻana i nā hoʻoweliweli mai ka Trump Cabinet. Mike Pompeo, ka CIA luna, i ʻōlelo ʻia ma kahi Defense Forum Foundation i kēia pule i hala aku nei e hoʻomaka ana nā hoʻolālā pepehi kanaka no Kim Jong-un. Ua ʻōlelo ʻo HR McMaster, ʻike ʻoe, ʻaʻole koho ka ʻae a me ka pale ʻana. A ua ʻōlelo ʻo Tillerson, ʻike ʻoe, e kamaʻilio mākou a hiki i ka hāʻule ʻana o ka pahu mua. No laila, ʻike ʻoe, ʻaʻole kēia e kono ana iā North Korea e komo i ke kūkākūkā, ʻo ia ka mea e pono ai.

NERMEEN KANAKA: ʻAe, hiki iā ʻoe ke ʻōlelo iki, e Christine, e pili ana i ka pane ʻana o North Korea? Ua ʻōlelo wale ʻoe ua mālama ʻo South Korea a me ʻAmelika i nā hoʻomaʻamaʻa kaua i kēia manawa. He aha ka pane a North Korea i kēlā mau hana? A aia ke kumu e manaʻoʻiʻo ai e wehe mau ana ʻo North Korea i nā kūkākūkā? No ka mea, ʻaʻole ia ka manaʻo i loaʻa iā mākou ma ka media.

KAULA AHN: ʻOiaʻiʻo. ʻAe, manaʻo wau he mea nui ia e hoʻomaopopo ʻaʻole mākou i ʻike i nā hoʻokolohua missile a i ʻole nā ​​hoʻokolohua nuklea ma kahi o 38 mau lā mai ka ʻaoʻao o North Korea. Manaʻo wau ʻaʻole ia e hoʻomau. Ua hoʻomaopopo loa lākou aia lākou ma ke ala e hoʻokō ai i kahi nuklea—ʻike ʻoe, a ICBM hiki ke hoʻopili i kahi poʻo kaua nuklea, hiki ke hahau iā ʻAmelika Hui Pū ʻIa. A, ʻike ʻoe, he nui nā kuhi he mau mahina lākou mai ka hana ʻana i kēlā.

Akā, ʻike ʻoe, ʻaʻole maopopo iaʻu inā e hoʻomanaʻo ʻoe, ma hope o kā Trump, ʻike ʻoe, "e luku loa iā North Korea" i ka ʻōlelo ma UN, ʻo ke Kuhina o nā ʻāina ʻē o North Korea, ʻo Ri Yong-ho, ʻōlelo ʻo ia, ʻike ʻoe - a ʻo wau. Manaʻo ʻoe i ka mea i hana ʻia, ma kēlā hopena pule, ua lele ka US i nā mokulele F-15 ma ka laina palena ʻākau ma ka palena moana. Ua uhaki loa ia, ʻike ʻoe, ʻo ka ʻaelike ʻo kēlā laina ʻākau ka laina ʻaʻole e hele ʻia e pale aku i nā ʻano hakakā. A no laila, i ka pane ʻana i kēlā, ʻōlelo ʻo North Korea, "E hahau mākou a hoʻopau i nā mokulele US, ʻoiai inā ʻaʻole lākou i loko o kā mākou orbit a i ʻole i loko o kā mākou ʻāina, ʻike ʻoe." A no laila, ʻike ʻoe, ua hōʻike ʻo North Korea e hoʻopaʻi kūʻē lākou.

A no laila, hāʻawi ʻia ʻaʻohe ala, ʻoiaʻiʻo, nā kahawai kūhelu - aia kekahi mau kaila liʻiliʻi liʻiliʻi e mālama ʻia nei, ʻike ʻoe, 1.5 mau kamaʻilio ma waena o nā luna o ʻAmelika mua me ke aupuni o North Korea. ʻAʻohe kamaʻilio e holo nei. A ke manaʻo nei au ʻo ia ke kūlana pōʻino a mākou e noho nei, ʻo ia, ʻike ʻoe, i ka wā e alakaʻi ʻia ai ka hoʻāʻo ʻana o North Korea e hiki mai ana, e mākaukau anei ka US e hahau iā ia? A laila ʻo ia ka hoʻomaka o kahi piʻi weliweli loa?

ʻOiaʻiʻo, ʻike ʻoe, ua hoʻopuka ka Congressional Research Service i kahi hōʻike ma ka Pōʻalima. Ua ʻōlelo lākou, i loko o nā lā mua, 330,000 mau kānaka e make koke. A ʻo ia wale nō ka hoʻohana ʻana i nā mea kaua maʻamau. A ke hoʻokomo ʻoe i nā mea kaua nuklea, ʻike ʻoe, manaʻo lākou he 25 miliona mau kānaka. ʻO koʻu manaʻo, pehea ʻoe e manaʻo ai i ka nui o nā kānaka, ʻoi aku ma kahi o Iapana, South Korea, Kina, Russia, a iā ʻoe ʻo North Korea, ʻoiaʻiʻo, loaʻa iā 60 mau mea kaua nuklea?

AMY GOODMAN: Christine—

KAULA AHN: No laila—ʻae?

AMY GOODMAN: ʻO Christine, he 20 kekona wale nō kā mākou, akā pehea kēia hoʻopaʻapaʻa inā pono ʻo Pelekikena Trump e kipa aku i ka Demilitarized Zone? ʻO ke koʻikoʻi o kēia?

KAULA AHN: ʻAe, ke manaʻo nei au ʻaʻole ʻo ia e hoʻolālā e kipa i laila. Manaʻo wau no ka mea, ʻike ʻoe, hopohopo kāna alakaʻi e hana ana ʻo ia i kekahi mau ʻōlelo hoʻonāukiuki e hiki ke hoʻoulu maoli i ka North Korea. A no laila, i kēia manawa ke manaʻo nei au he mea nui loa ka neʻe ʻana o ka ʻāina ma waena o ka ʻāina i ʻAmelika Hui Pū ʻIa, ua hoʻolālā ʻia nā kūʻē nui no Nowemapa 11th, no Armistice Day, e Veterans for Peace. A—

AMY GOODMAN: E haʻalele mākou i laila, Christine Ahn, akā e hana mākou Part 2 a hoʻouna aku ma ka pūnaewele ma democracynow.org.