Moku'āina o ka Anti-War Movement Me Greta Zarro a me Ana Milosavljevic

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Henri: [00:00:00] ʻAe, hoʻokipa i nā mea a pau i Fortress On. A Hill, kahi podcast e pili ana iā mākou i nā kulekele ʻē aʻe, anti imperialism, skepticism, a me ke ala kaua ʻAmelika.

ʻO wau ʻo Henri, ʻo ia a ʻo ia koʻu mau haʻi. Mahalo nui iā ʻoe no kou noho pū ʻana me mākou i kēia lā. Me aʻu koʻu mau hoa hoʻokipa kupanaha ʻelua, ʻo Jovanni a me kā mākou, kekahi o kā mākou hoa hoʻokipa hou, ʻo Shiloh Emelein. Pehea ʻolua i kēia ahiahi?

Shiloh: Hana maikaʻi loa, Henri. Mahalo iā ʻoe.
Jovanni: Ke hana nei, hana maikaʻi loa. Hauʻoli no kēia, no kēia, e, papahana i kēia lā.

Henri: No laila mākou [00:01:00] ma ʻaneʻi me Greta. A ʻo Anna Milo, um, e kamaʻilio e pili ana, uh, ma ke ʻano maʻamau i ke kūlana o ka neʻe kaua kaua. No nā makahiki 20 i hala iho nei, aia ka US ma ke ala kaua, ma ke ala pololei a i ʻole ma ke koho, ʻoiai he lehulehu ʻAmelika e kūʻē i nā kaua a me nā kumu i hoʻopau ʻia i loko o lākou. Hoʻomau ʻia ka mīkini kaua e nā ʻaoʻao ʻelua e hoʻololi i ke keʻena.

Ua manaʻo ʻia ua hoʻoneʻe ʻia nā kaua o ka Hikina Waena o ʻAmelika ma luna o 50 miliona mau kānaka, a ma Iraq wale nō i lawe i hoʻokahi miliona mau ʻuhane. Eia naʻe ke pāʻani nei ka hoʻokele o kēia manawa i kahi pāʻani weliweli o ka moa me nā mea kaua nuklea ʻo Rūsia e hoʻomau nei i ka piʻi ʻana o kahi hakakā paʻakikī ma Ukraine a ke makemake mau nei e hoʻokumu i ka ʻāʻī ma ka hikina loa me Kina me ka nuklea kaua.

No laila mākou, ʻo ka mea a mākou e makemake ai e kūkākūkā, he aha ke ʻano o ka neʻe kaua kaua i kēia mau mea a pau? ʻO ka mua, loaʻa iā mākou, uh, ʻo Greta Zarro ma ke ʻano he [00:02:00] i ka hoʻonohonoho kaiāulu pili i ka pilikia. ʻO kāna ʻike e pili ana i ka hōʻiliʻili manawaleʻa, ka hoʻopili ʻana, ka hoʻonohonoho ʻana i nā hanana, ke kūkulu ʻana i ka hui hui, ka ʻaha kānāwai a me ka hoʻolaha media, a me ka ʻōlelo lehulehu.

Ua puka 'o Greta ma ke 'ano he valedictorian mai ke Kulanui o St. Ua hana mua ʻo ia ma New York organizer no ke alakaʻi ʻana i ka meaʻai a me ka wati wai ʻole. Ma laila ʻo ia i hoʻolaha ai i nā pilikia e pili ana i ka fracking, genetically engineered foods, climate change, and the corporate control of our common resources.

Hoʻokele ʻo Greta a me kāna hoa iā Unadilla a i ʻole Unadilla Community Farm, kahi mahiʻai organik nonprofit a me Permaculture Education Center ma uka o New York. A ʻo Greta ka luna hoʻonohonoho ma World Beyond War. E Greta, hoʻokipa i ka pākaua ma luna o kahi puʻu.

Greta: Mahalo nui no ka loaʻa ʻana mai iaʻu.

Henri: A ma hope aʻe, e hoʻāʻo wau e ʻōlelo.

E ʻōlelo, e ʻōlelo hou. [00:03:00] ʻAe, ʻo Anna Milo saic, he mea hana anti-war mai Boston mai, ʻo ia i nā makahiki ʻehā i hala aku nei i kōkua i ka hoʻonohonoho ʻana i nā kūʻē kūʻē i ka hoʻopaʻa ʻana i ke kaua ma nā kahua kula e kūʻē i ke kaua me Iran. Ma hope o ka pepehi ʻia ʻana o Gener, General Soleimani, a kūʻē iā mākou i ke komo ʻana i ke kaua e hoʻomau nei ma Yema Yemen, ke aʻo nei ʻo ia i ka nūpepa ma Lisbon, Pokukala.

E Anna, hoʻokipa iā Fortress On A Hill.
Anna: Nui ka hele ʻana ma ʻaneʻi.
Henri: ʻAe. ʻO Jovanni ʻoe. Ua ala ʻoe ke kanaka.

Jovanni: Mahalo iā ʻolua. Mahalo iā ʻolua no ka hele ʻana mai. Um, hauʻoli wau i kēia kelepona. ʻAe, makemake wau e hoʻomaka e nīnau iā ʻoe e pili ana i kāu hoʻonohonoho ʻana, he aha ka mea i alakaʻi iā ʻoe i, um, ka anti-war and peace activism? Uh, e hoʻomaka kākou me, uh, Greta.

Greta: ʻAe, no laila, manaʻo wau he mea hoihoi koʻu ala. ʻAe, no laila, he hale kūʻai meaʻai koʻu mau mākua i koʻu wā e ulu ana, a ʻo ia kaʻu hoʻolauna ʻana i, um, nānā i [00:04:00] nā pilikia like ʻole a, a ʻo ia hoʻi, ma o ka lens o ʻo ka ʻōnaehana meaʻai, e nānā ana, uh, nā hopena kaiapuni o kā mākou koho meaʻai. ʻOiaʻiʻo, ka pilikanaka, ka moʻomeheu a me ke olakino. ʻAe, a ma hope o koʻu ulu ʻana ua lilo wau i mea ʻai meaʻai a ua ʻano ʻimi au, ʻike ʻoe, pehea mākou e hoʻololi ai i kēia mau ʻano like ʻole? A loaʻa iaʻu kēia, um, makemake e hoʻololi i ka pae ʻōnaehana. Ua ʻike wau makemake wau e hana i kekahi mea. ʻO wau, noʻonoʻo wau i nā ala ʻoihana like ʻole, no laila

Hiki paha iaʻu ke lilo i mea ʻai meaʻai a mea hoʻomaʻamaʻa hoʻoikaika kino a i ʻole kekahi mea, akā manaʻo wau makemake wau e hana i kahi mea ākea ma ka pae ʻōnaehana a i ʻole ka pae hoʻolālā.

ʻAe, a laila wikiwiki i mua, uh, nui, um, ua pau wau, aia wau i ke kula puka kula e aʻo ana i nā haʻawina meaʻai a lawe au i kahi internship me Food and Water Watch. A ʻo ia kaʻu hoʻolauna ʻana i ka mea e hoʻonohonoho nei, a me ka manaʻo o ka hiki ke hoʻonohonoho iā mākou iho a me ka hui pū ʻana i nā poʻe e hoʻohana i ko lākou mana kanaka e hoʻoikaika i nā luna koho a me nā mea hoʻoholo ʻē aʻe e hoʻololi i nā kulekele.

Um, [00:05:00] a pili loa wau i kēlā. Ua makemake au i ka, ka mana o organiz. No laila, he intern wau me ka Food and Water Watch, um, a ma hope ua lawe au i kahi hana me ka Food and Water Watch, um, a ʻo ka hapa nui, ʻike ʻoe, e like me kaʻu bio e ʻōlelo nei, e hana nui ana i nā pilikia o ka meaʻai. a me ka wai, e like me ka GMO lepili a me ka fracking a, um, ka hopena o ia mau mea, uh, i kā mākou ʻōnaehana meaʻai.

ʻAe, a laila ma ka manawa like, e, lohe ʻoe iaʻu e kamaʻilio nui e pili ana i kaʻu mea i kapa ai i kaʻu ala ʻelua. No laila, i ka manawa like me koʻu komo ʻana i loko o kēia mau kulekele āpau, um, ke ʻimi nei au i kahi ʻano, um, hoʻololi pae ʻike ma ka honua i koʻu ola. ʻAe, a no laila ua ʻike au i ka wolfing, ʻo ia nā manawa kūpono o ka honua ma nā mahiʻai organik.

A ua ulu au, ua ulu au ma Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. ʻO wau, ʻaʻohe oʻu ʻike, o ka nohona kuaʻāina. ʻAe, a ma ke kulanui kēia. ʻO wau, ua hoʻomaka wau i ka wooof a, ʻike ʻoe, ʻano aʻo maoli i kēlā mau mākau lima i ke ʻano o kā mākou ulu ʻana i kā mākou meaʻai ponoʻī a, uh, e noho ana ma waho o ka mānoanoa a me kēlā [00:06:00] ʻano mea.

ʻAe, a laila makemake wau e hoʻohui i nā manaʻo ʻelua o ka hoʻololi ʻana i ka hoʻololi a me ka hoʻololi ʻana i ka honua. ʻAe, a ʻo ka wikiwiki hoʻi, ʻo wau, ua hoʻopau wau i ke komo ʻana me UN Community Farm ma uka o New York, kahi aʻu e noho nei. A, a holo wau, uh, he hale hoʻonaʻauao mahiʻai waiwai ʻole ia. A no laila, aia wau i kekahi manawa e hoʻokaʻawale i koʻu manawa ma waena o New York City, e hana pū me ka Food and Water Watch, a me ka hoʻāʻo ʻana e hoʻolilo i ka manawa ma ka mahiʻai ma luna.

ʻAe, ua hoʻoholo hope e neʻe manawa piha i ka mahiʻai, um, a laila haʻalele i kaʻu hana ma Food and Water. A laila, ʻimi au i kahi mea hiki iaʻu ke hana mamao, a ʻo ia kaʻu i ʻike ai World Beyond War, i ʻae iaʻu e hana mamao a hana mau i ka hana hoʻonohonoho aʻu i aloha ai, akā mai ka pahu Farm Off.

ʻAe, a ʻoiaʻiʻo nō, ʻike ʻoe, ʻaʻohe oʻu ʻike i ka maluhia a i ʻole ka hana anti-kaua. ʻO koʻu kūlana i loko o kēia ʻano hana ʻōnaehana meaʻai. ʻAe, akā ʻo wau, ʻike ʻoe, ʻike koke i nā kikowaena ma waena o kēia mau mea āpau a [00:07:00] pehea e pili pono ai ka ʻōnaehana kaua, e like me kāu e ʻike ai, maopopo iaʻu e kamaʻilio pū mākou. .

ʻIke ʻoe, luku kaiapuni, hoʻololi ʻana i ke ea, um, ʻike ʻoe, ʻo ia ke ʻano o ka ʻōnaehana kapitalista hewa i loaʻa kēia mau ʻokoʻa like ʻole. Um, a World Beyond War ʻōlelo maoli mai iaʻu no ka mea ke lawe nei mākou i kēlā ala intersectional. ʻAe, pēlā wau, pēlā wau i komo ai. ʻO ia kaʻu i hiki ai, e hana pū me World Beyond War a eia wau elima makahiki ma hope.

Jovanni: Mahalo iā ʻoe. Mahalo iā ʻoe. Maikaʻi loa. ʻAe, ʻo Anna.

ʻO Anna: ʻAe, no laila koʻu ala i ka anti-war ent, ka huakaʻi imperial a i ʻole ka hoʻonohonoho ʻana, ʻo ia, ua neʻe maoli koʻu mau mākua mai Serbia i nā kaua o ka nineties. No laila ua ulu au i ka aʻo nui ʻana e pili ana i ka hana pōʻino a ka US i pāʻani ai, uh, ma laila, ʻike ʻoe, ua pana ʻo ʻAmelika i kāna mau haukapila, nā hale hana, nā ʻoihana. Uh, a no laila, nui ka pōʻino, uh, aʻu, aʻu i ʻike ai i koʻu hele ʻana i laila e kipa i koʻu ʻohana [00:08:00]. Ke hoʻomanaʻo nei au i koʻu wā kamaliʻi, um, kaʻa ʻana a puni ke kaona ʻo Belgrade ke Kapitola, a, aia nō. ʻO nā hale i hoʻopaʻa ʻia, uh, ua hoʻopau ʻia i ke kikowaena, uh, mai ka hoʻouka kaua ʻana o US. Uh, no laila, ʻike ʻoe, ua ulu au e aʻo nui mai koʻu ʻohana e pili ana, um, i ka hana a ka US e pāʻani nei ma ka honua.

ʻAe, a, a ʻike ʻoe, ʻike ʻoe, ma o kēlā a, a ma ka ulu ʻana ʻaʻole he anomaly maoli ʻo Serbia, a ʻo ia ke ʻano o ka hana ʻana o ka US ma ka honua holoʻokoʻa, ʻo ia hoʻi ma ka hoʻoweliweli ʻana i nā ʻāina liʻiliʻi, ʻilihune, ʻoihana a me ka hoʻokele waiwai. koa, a laila i ka makemake o ka US elite. Uh, no laila ua loaʻa iaʻu kēlā pilina pilikino, akā ʻike pū kekahi, ʻike ʻoe, aia maoli kahi pono nui, no ka poʻe ma US e hoʻonohonoho kūʻē i ka pupule.

No laila ma kahi o 2018, ua komo au i ka hoʻonohonoho ʻana ma Boston e kūʻē, uh, ke komo ʻana o ka US i ke kaua ma Yemen. Akā, e like me ka mea i ʻōlelo ʻia, a, e kamaʻilio mākou [00:09:00] e pili ana i ke komo ʻana i kekahi mea ʻē aʻe, ʻē, hoʻonohonoho ʻē aʻe e kūʻē i ke kaua me Iran a. A, ʻae, ʻae. Nā mea ʻē aʻe a mākou e kamaʻilio ai.

Akā, ʻae, he wahi liʻiliʻi kēlā e pili ana, pehea wau i hiki ai i ʻaneʻi.

Jovanni: Hoihoi. Ua hoʻouna ʻia au i ka Yugoslavia mua, um, i ka makahiki 96. A ʻo ka mea ʻoiaʻiʻo, um, ua kono ʻo Greta iaʻu i kahi papa i hoʻokahi manawa a, a, um, ma ia mea e kamaʻilio ai.

e pili ana i kēlā a me ke kuleana o nato, a me nā mea ʻē aʻe. ʻO ia, ʻo ia ka NATO mua, kaua maoli maoli, ʻeā?

Greta: ʻAe.

Jovanni: A, ʻo ka papa, aia kekahi, uh, no ka ʻāina, manaʻo wau no Serbia pū kekahi, a ʻo ia, a ʻo ia e kamaʻilio nei, uh, e wehewehe ana ʻo ia no ka mea aia ʻo ia i loko pahū, wehewehe ʻo ia i ka iho ʻana o nā mea a pau. Manaʻo wau ua nalowale kona mau mākua ʻelua i ka wā o ka pana ʻana.

A hānai ʻia ʻo ia e nā kūpuna. ʻO ia ka mea? ʻO Greta?

Greta: ʻAʻole hiki iaʻu ke hoʻomanaʻo i nā kikoʻī, kala mai. Akā, ke hoʻomanaʻo nei au i kāna wehewehe ʻana i kona wā kamaliʻi e hāʻule ana nā pōkā.

Jovanni: ʻAe.
Anna: Hoʻohihi. E kamaʻilio hou mākou no ia mea, [00:10:00] akā ʻae.

Jovanni: E neʻe kāua. Ua makemake mākou, e loaʻa kēia kūkākūkā ʻana, makemake mākou e kamaʻilio e pili ana i ke kūlana o ke kaua ʻAmelika a i ʻole ka maluhia, uh, neʻe. ʻIke ʻoe, ma hea lākou, ʻike ʻoe, he aha ke kūlana o ia lā? Ua hahai au World Beyond War, uh, nui, e, hahai, e, David, e, kakau. Um, a hele au, uh, hele i, um, i kahi ʻaha kūkā a i ʻole ʻaha kūkā paha a lākou i hoʻi mai ai, i loko o kahi poli he 16, he grid. ʻO ia kā mākou i hālāwai ai.

Greta: ʻAe, ʻo ia, ʻe, ʻaʻohe kaua 2018 ma toronto, 2018.

Jovanni: ʻAe. ʻAe. Uh, no laila au i hahai ai, no laila, ma kekahi o nā nīnauele, ʻo, ʻē, ʻē, ua komo ʻo David, uh, um, wa, ua nīnau ʻia ʻo ia i ka nīnau like. He aha ka mokuʻāina o ʻAmelika, ka neʻe anti-kaua, ʻike ʻoe, ma hea lākou? Ua ʻōlelo ʻo ia, ʻike ʻoe, ke ola nei nō. Aia nō ma laila. Aia nā pilikia, aia nā pilikia, akā aia nō.

A, hāʻawi ʻo ia i ʻelua mau hiʻohiʻona o nā mea i loaʻa, uh, um, [00:11:00] i hana ʻia, um, a, ʻike ʻoe, nā hana a me nā kūleʻa, me ka neʻe kaua kaua. ʻAe, akā, uh, akā ke nīnau nei au iā ʻoe pololei, ʻike anei ʻoe i ka hapa nui o ka poʻe he kuʻekuʻe kaua, uh, akā ke manaʻo nei ʻoe he anti-war i ka hana? Uh, ke manaʻo nei ʻoe ʻo ka hapa nui o ka, uh, o ka activism ma ʻAmelika Hui Pū ʻIa, um, e haʻalele i kēia kumu?

Akau? ʻEā, manaʻo paha ʻoe, he mea nui ia no nā mea hana ma ʻAmelika Hui Pū ʻIa?

Greta: ʻAe, ʻo wau, hiki iaʻu ke hoʻokani wale. Manaʻo wau i ka US ʻoiaʻiʻo, manaʻo wau he mea paʻakikī nui ia no mākou ma ke ʻano he hui kūʻē kaua a i ʻole ka neʻe anti-kaua e hoʻāla i ka poʻe no ka mea mamao loa ke kaua, pololei ? ʻAʻole ʻike ka poʻe i ke kaua i ko lākou ola i kēlā me kēia lā. ʻAe, ʻokoʻa loa ia ma mua o ka wā Vietnam kahi i loaʻa ai ke kiʻi kiʻi a me nā kiʻi ʻike ma ka media mainstream o ke kaua. ʻAe, no laila ke manaʻo nei au ʻo kā mākou hoʻokūkū e hoʻonohonoho i ke kaua. Um, a hiki iā mākou ke hana i kēlā ma nā ʻano he nui ma o [00:12:00] moʻolelo, ma o ka loaʻa ʻana o nā webinars e like me ka mea āu i wehewehe ai, ʻo Jovanni, me ʻoe a me Anna Maria goer e kamaʻilio ana e pili ana i kēlā ʻike mua o ke kaua.

ʻAe, manaʻo wau ʻo kā mākou mau pilikia hoʻi, ʻike ʻoe, i ka hoʻonohonoho ʻana ke ʻōlelo nei mākou, ʻike ʻoe, e hālāwai me nā poʻe ma kahi o lākou, e hoʻopili i kahi mea e pili ana iā lākou. No laila inā ʻo ke kaua kahi mamao loa i kēia manaʻo a manaʻo ʻia he mea geopolitical paʻakikī, he aha ka mea e pili ai i ka poʻe? ʻO kā lākou pocketbooks e ʻeha a me ke kūlana hoʻokele waiwai o ka US ʻIke ʻoe, ʻo ia ka hoʻololi ʻana i ke aniau? ʻAe, a laila e ʻano i kā mākou kuleana ma ke ʻano he organ, ʻo ka mea hoʻonohonoho e hoʻopili i nā kiko ma waena o kēlā mau mea a kamaʻilio e pili ana i ke kaua ʻo ia kekahi o nā alakaʻi alakaʻi i ka hoʻololi ʻana i ke aniau, pehea ke kaua ʻana o $2 trillion i ka makahiki, uh, honua, a e hoʻohui i kēlā mau kiko a e hoʻohālike i kahi mea nui iā lākou.

Anna: ʻAe, hoihoi. ʻO wau, ʻaʻole maopopo iaʻu ʻo ka hapa nui o ka poʻe ma US, he kūʻē i ke kaua a me ke kumu. ʻO ka hoʻolaha kaua, ikaika loa wau i manaʻo ai he nui ka poʻe [00:13:00] ʻike i nā kaua US, ʻoiai inā ʻaʻohe pūʻali i hoʻonohonoho ʻia i ala no ka US, ʻike ʻoe, e hoʻolaha i ke kūʻokoʻa a me ke aupuni democracy. A ʻike mākou i kēlā ʻōlelo i nā manawa a pau a ma ka media.

Uh, no laila ke manaʻo nei au ʻo kekahi o nā hana koʻikoʻi no ka neʻe kaua anti-kaua ʻo ke aʻo ʻana i ka poʻe i ka ʻoiaʻiʻo. He aha, he aha ka hana a ka US a puni ka honua me 800 me nā waihona? ʻAe, a wehewehe ʻo ia ka mea e hana nei ʻaʻole ia i ka makemake o ka hapa nui o ka poʻe. ʻIke ʻoe, ʻo ka poʻe e pōmaikaʻi ana i ka US Hegemony he CEO a me nā kālai'āina.

ʻAʻole ia nā kānaka o kēlā me kēia lā. No laila, manaʻo wau pono mākou e hana maoli e kau i kēlā ma mua a hoʻopili i kēlā me nā hakakā o kēlā me kēia lā. Um, a ma ke ʻano o, um, i loko o ke kaiāulu activist, manaʻo wau he mea paʻakikī loa ia no ka mea, Aia nā mea hana e hana nei i kēia, akā ʻoi aku ka nui o ka wā i koho ʻia ai ʻo Obama, ua hiamoe wale ka neʻe anti-kaua.

A, ʻike ʻoe, ua koho ʻia ʻo ia ma kēia mau ʻōlelo hoʻohiki wahaheʻe i ʻae ʻia e ka poʻe [00:14:00]. A ʻoiai, ʻike ʻoe, ua hoʻomau ʻo ia a hoʻonui i nā kaua like ʻole, um, ʻaʻole nā ​​kānaka, ʻaʻole i piʻi i luna e nīnau maoli a kūʻē iā lākou e like me ka wā e puni ana ʻo Bush. A ke manaʻo nei au ua like ka mea like me Biden i kēia manawa, ʻo ka nui o ka poʻe i kūʻē kūʻē i nā kaua like ʻole ma lalo o Trump, ua noho mālie.

A, ʻae, manaʻo wau he mea hoʻopiʻi ia o ka ʻōnaehana politika nui no ka mea ʻo nā kulekele a Biden he hoʻomau wale nō ia o Trump, ʻike ʻoe, ʻo ia ka hoʻomau o Obama a, ʻike ʻoe, ʻoi aku kēia ma mua o ke kaua, akā pili pū kekahi i nā mea e like me ka neʻe ʻana a, a me ka pilikia opioid a me ka mālama ola kino, a me nā mea ʻē aʻe he nui. Akā ke manaʻo nei au ʻo ia ke ʻano o kahi ākea ākea a mākou e hakakā ai me nā kānaka.

Jovanni: E wehewehe wale i kaʻu mea i ʻōlelo ai, uh, um, aia ka poʻe ma ke kumu, uh, kūʻē i ke kaua ma ʻAmelika Hui Pū ʻIa. ʻO ia ka mea āu i ʻōlelo ai, i ka wā i holo ai ʻo Obama, ua holo kūʻē ʻo ia i ke Kaua o Iraq a loaʻa iā ia ke kākoʻo a pau, a me kāna koho a me nā mea āpau. E like me kāu i ʻōlelo ai, ʻo ka nui o nā hui anti-war, uh, [00:15:00] mau pūʻulu ikaika, uh, i ka wā o Bush, ʻike ʻoe, ʻaʻole ia he anti-war, ʻo ka hapa nui. nahelehele, pololei?

Akā, akā, ua koho lākou no Obama no ka mea, o kona rhetoric kū'ē i ke kaua i loko o, i loko o Iraq, i ka manawa i ike loa a, a, a me ka Media a me na mea like. Um, holo like ʻo Trump, ma ka mea like. ʻIke ʻoe, holo ʻo Trump ma ka mea hoʻokahi, um, ʻike ʻoe, e kāhea ana, hillary Clintons, ʻike ʻoe, ke kaua kaua, e, e kāhea ana, ʻike ʻoe, e, ʻo Obama, akā ke kāhea nei ke kaua kaua iā Bush, ʻo ia ka hui ponoʻī. .

ʻO Jeb Bush, ʻo wau, inā ʻoe e hoʻomanaʻo i kekahi o nā, kekahi o nā hoʻopaʻapaʻa. Kāhea ʻo ia iā Jeb Bush a ʻo kona mau kaikuaʻana ʻo Mon a me Iraq a me nā mea āpau. No laila ua ʻike ʻoe i ka nui o ka poʻe i ʻike he conservative, pololei. ʻIke ʻoe, kākoʻo ʻia, uh, Trump a, um, no kāna mea i manaʻo ʻia he anti-war rhetoric i kēlā manawa. Akā, ʻo ia ka mea hoʻomau, ʻeā? A laila, loaʻa iā ʻoe, ʻike ʻoe, loaʻa iā ʻoe, loaʻa iā ʻoe, ʻo ia kaʻu e ʻōlelo nei ma ke kumu. Akā ʻo ka poʻe ma ke kumu kūʻē, kūʻē i ke kaua, akā i ka hana, ʻike ʻoe, hiki ke ʻōlelo i kekahi mea ʻokoʻa.[00:16:00]

Um, uh, Shilo, hele i mua.

Shiloh: ʻAe, ua loaʻa iaʻu kahi nīnau e pili ana, um, ʻaʻole maopopo iaʻu i ka pili ʻana o ʻolua ʻelua me nā ʻōpio, um, nā mea hoʻoikaika, akā ua ʻike wau inā ʻoe, like, he aha nā ʻokoʻa āu e ʻike ai. i ka poe opio i keia la, um, i ko lakou

nā manaʻo o ke kaua militarism, um, e like me nā hanauna i mua o lākou a i ʻole, ʻo kā mākou hanauna a pēlā aku.

Greta: ʻAe. ʻAe. Manaʻo wau makemake ʻoe e hele mua a pono paha wau, ʻae. ʻAe, e ʻōlelo wale nō wau mai kaʻu mea i ʻike ai, a ʻoi aku hoʻi me ka, me koʻu pāpale mahiʻai ma luna, um, holo mākou, uh, he papahana hoʻomaʻamaʻa no ka poʻe ʻōpio ma ka makahiki 18 a hiki i ka 25. Um, a no laila, loaʻa iā mākou ka nui o ka poʻe e hele mai ana ma ia papahana a ʻo kaʻu mea e ʻike nei, In, i koʻu hoʻolaha ʻana, uh, ʻo kēlā poʻe, kēlā poʻe ʻōpio hoihoi loa i ke ʻano o ka hana lima lima. Ua kamaʻilio wau.

ʻO ka mea aʻu, ka mea aʻu e lepili ai e like me [00:17:00] hana hou. A ʻike pū mākou e like me Covid, me ka ulu ʻana o nā ʻoihana kōkua like. A ke manaʻo nei au aia kēia makemake. A ʻo wau hoʻi, ma ke ʻano he ʻōpio, ke ʻōlelo nei au, ʻike ʻoe, ke ʻōlelo nei wau noʻu iho, aia kēia makemake, ʻike ʻoe, nā mea paʻa, nā mea hiki ke hoʻololi i kēia a i kēia manawa.

ʻAno liʻiliʻi liʻiliʻi ke ʻano o ka nohona, akā ma waho aʻe o kēlā, hoʻololi pū ka pae kaiāulu. ʻAe, a manaʻo wau noʻu a me nā mea ʻē aʻe aʻu e kamaʻilio pū ai, manaʻo wau he ʻano pane nō hoʻi ia i ka ʻike ʻana iā mākou e like me Wakinekona e like me ka gridlocked, e like me kā mākou i kamaʻilio ai. Me he mea lā, ʻaʻole pili ʻo wai i ke keʻena, ʻeā?

Ke hoʻomau nei nā kulekele like Republican, Democrat, Republican, democrat. A no laila, ʻoiai ʻo Wakinekona ka gridlock, a me he mea lā ua hewa kā mākou poʻe kālai'āina, hiki iā mākou ke hana i kēia, ʻike ʻoe, ma ka ʻāina e hoʻololi i ka hana ʻana i nā ʻōnaehana ʻē aʻe a mākou e makemake ai e ʻike. No laila, ʻike wau i ka nui o ka poʻe ʻōpio e neʻe nei i kēlā ʻano.

A laila, ʻoiaʻiʻo, ʻike mākou e pili ana, e ka poʻe ʻōpio, pili maoli i ka neʻe ʻana o ka hoʻoponopono hoʻokele a me nā hakakā hoʻoponopono pilikanaka, nā hakakā hoʻopono lāhui. [00:18:00] ʻAe, a pili kēia mau mea a pau e like me kā mākou e kamaʻilio nei. ʻO ia wale nō, a ʻike ʻoe, aia ka mīkini kaua i ka nexus o kēia mau mea a pau, akā manaʻo wau ʻaʻole pono ka poʻe e hoʻohana i kēlā framing.

A manaʻo wau ʻo kā mākou paʻakikī, ʻo ia hoʻi, ʻano hoʻopili i nā kiko. A ke kamaʻilio wau me, no ka laʻana, nā interns i kā mākou papahana mahiʻai a kamaʻilio e pili ana i koʻu, koʻu world beyond war hana, ʻo lākou, ʻike ʻoe, ʻae like me aʻu a, a ʻike i kēia pilina holoʻokoʻa, akā ʻaʻole lākou e kapa inoa iā lākou iho he poʻe anti-kaua. ʻOi aku paha kaʻu e ʻōlelo ai, anti-imperialist a anti-capitalist. ʻAe, no laila ke manaʻo hou nei au, ʻo ke ʻano o ka hoʻāʻo ʻana e hui pū i kēia mau ʻāpana āpau, ʻo ia ka paʻakikī.

Anna: ʻAe, ʻoiaʻiʻo. Manaʻo wau aia kekahi ʻokoʻa iaʻu ma waena o ka poʻe ʻōpio maʻamau, e ʻōlelo kākou i nā haumāna a me nā kulanui a i ʻole kekahi mea like, ʻo lākou, manaʻo wau, he ʻano manaʻoʻiʻo a nānā pono i kā lākou ʻoihana a, a ʻo ka hapa nui o lākou i kēia manawa, No ka laʻana, hānau ʻia i ka wā, ʻike ʻoe, [00:19:00] hoʻomaka ka noho ʻana ma Afghanistan.

No laila, ʻaʻole lākou ʻike i kahi manawa i loaʻa, ʻike ʻoe, ʻokoʻa. A ʻo kēia mau kaua i pau ʻole. ʻAe, a no laila, manaʻo wau, he ʻokoʻa a ʻoi aku ka kiʻekiʻe ma mua o ka ʻōlelo ʻana, ʻike ʻoe, ʻo ka wā Vietnam. Manaʻo wau he nui, ʻike ʻoe, nā poʻe kahiko i komo i kēlā neʻe ʻana, um, he ʻokoʻa loa, ʻike ʻoe, ke ea a me ka lewa.

ʻAe, ʻae, ʻae wau me Greta i kēlā, i ka manawa o ka poʻe e hele mai nei i mua a me ke ʻano o ke komo ʻana a me ka hoʻonohonoho ʻana, uh, hauʻoli nui ka poʻe a pili i ka pilina, uh, imperialism a, a me kēia mau pilikia iā ʻoe ʻike, capitalism a me ke ʻano o ka ʻōnaehana a pehea mākou e hui pū ai e hoʻololi. No laila, manaʻo wau, ʻae, ʻae. He mea maikaʻi ke ʻike.

Jovanni: Ka wehewehe ʻana i ka imperialism. ʻIke au i ka hoʻohana ʻana o ʻolua ʻelua i ka huaʻōlelo imperialism a, a he huaʻōlelo i hoʻolei ʻia a puni, uh, akā ʻaʻole maopopo iaʻu ka poʻe i maopopo maoli i ke ʻano o ia mea.

Anna: ʻAe. No laila, iaʻu ka ʻokoʻa ma waena o ka anti-war a me ka anti-imperialist, ʻo ia, uh, [00:20:00] ʻaʻole kūʻē ka poʻe anti-imperialist, uh, kūʻē i nā kaua āpau, ʻoi aku ka nui o ka hoʻokuʻu ʻana. ʻO ia ke kī, ʻo ka ʻokoʻa iaʻu. ʻOiai he anti-war kekahi, ʻike ʻoe, hiki i ka poʻe ma ia mau wahi ke ʻōlelo, ʻike ʻoe, he pacifists lākou a me nā mea like, akā he ʻokoʻa ka anti-imperialist.

ʻOi aku ka kūʻē ʻana, um, imperialism a me ka capitalism ma ke ʻano he ʻōnaehana, uh, ʻae. Hoʻomalu i nā kānaka a puni ka honua. No laila ka ʻokoʻa iaʻu.

Greta: ʻAe, ʻae wau i kēlā. A manaʻo wau e kūkulu paha i kēlā, e like. Malia paha i ka wā kahiko. ʻO ka maʻamau ka imperialism e like me ka colonialism, ʻaʻole? Ke komo ʻana i ka ʻāina ʻē.

ʻAe, ʻo ia ka mea e pili ana. Akā, manaʻo wau e like me kāu e loaʻa nei ma Anna, ʻo ia ka mea nui i kēia manawa. E like me ko mākou noho ʻana i kahi honua honua, e like me ka wā e hoʻolei ai mākou i kēlā huaʻōlelo, manaʻo wau he nui ka poʻe o mākou e kamaʻilio nei e pili ana i kahi mea ma waho o ka mokuʻāina. ʻO kēia ʻano o ka ʻōnaehana conglomerate multinational nui.

ʻOiaʻiʻo. Manaʻo wau he mea koʻikoʻi loa ia no ka mea [00:21:00] ʻae, imperialism, uh, ua loli nui e like me nā haneli mau makahiki i hala. ʻIke ʻoe, ʻoiai, ma mua o ka loaʻa ʻana o nā kolone a me ke ʻano pololei, uh, ka hoʻopio ʻana i nā kānaka a me ka hoʻohana ʻana a i kēia manawa ua ʻoi aku ka maʻalahi o ka manaʻo, ʻike ʻoe, ʻo kaʻu e ʻōlelo ai he neocolonialism kahi i kūʻokoʻa ai ka ʻāina. aka, o ko lakou aupuni, e lawelawe ana i ka pono o ka mana nui. ʻAe. ʻO Kina, mākou, Rusia, he aha kāu. ʻAe, ʻae, manaʻo wau he ʻokoʻa koʻikoʻi kēia no ka mea manaʻo wau he nui ka poʻe e noʻonoʻo nei i ka imperialism ʻo ia wale nō, colonialism a ʻo ia, ua ʻike ʻoe, ua loli i kēia manawa.

Henri: Ma ke kamaʻilio ʻana e pili ana i ka neʻe ʻana i ke kaua, ʻo kaʻu, ua noʻonoʻo wau e pili ana i ka hopohopo ʻana o nā ʻano like ʻole o ke kamaʻāina ʻAmelika e like me nā kino e hoʻi mai ana mai Vietnam a i ʻole, ʻike ʻoe, ʻo ka hoʻolaha ʻana o ka nūhou, e like me ka, ke Kaua Gulf mua a i ʻole ka hoʻomaka ʻana o [00:22:00] Operation Iraqi Freedom mākou.

Ua maikaʻi loa mākou i ka hoʻomohala ʻana i ke kaua ʻaʻole ia he kaua i hoʻouka ʻia e nā ʻAmelika a ma waho aʻe o ka poʻe ʻAmelika make i hoʻi mai i ka home a i ʻole ka poʻe i ʻeha. ʻAe, he aha nā mea ʻē aʻe e ʻike ai ka poʻe ʻAmelika i ka waiwai i kā lākou e ʻōlelo ai, hewa kēia. Makemake au e hoʻololi. A i ʻole makemake wau e hoʻomaopopo i ke kūlana. ʻIke ʻoe, ma waena o nā mea e like me ka hoʻopaʻi ʻana, ma waena o nā mea e like me nā pūʻali hana kūikawā hiki ke loaʻa nā kumu lilia liʻiliʻi hiki ke piʻi mai i kahi, ʻike ʻoe, i ka manawa pōkole a haʻalele hoʻi i ka manawa pōkole. ʻAe, ʻo ka hoʻohana ʻana i nā drones i loaʻa maikaʻi iā mākou me ka ikaika liʻiliʻi a mākou i kēia manawa e hoʻohālikelike ʻia, e ʻōlelo, i ka wā Vietnam, akā ua hoʻokaʻawale ʻia hoʻi i ka mea a ka hapa nui o ka poʻe e makemake ai, he aha nā mea aʻu e manaʻo ai he nui ka poʻe. e ʻimi no ka hoʻoholo ʻana e kūʻē lākou i ke kaua. ʻOi loa no ka mea ʻo mākou, a, a, a ʻo ka hapa nui o ia mea no ka poʻe ʻAmelika [00:23:00] naʻaupō. ʻO, o ke ʻano imperialist o ko mākou ʻāina, o nā mea āpau a mākou e hana maoli nei, o ka hoʻokumu ʻana i nā ʻōnaehana hoʻokele waiwai ma nā wahi a nā hui US e lawe ai. A ʻo kēlā me kēia ʻoihana i loaʻa i ka poʻe e noho ana ma laila ua pau. ʻAʻole ʻimi nā ʻAmelika maʻamau i kēia mau mea. ʻAʻole lākou hopohopo i kēlā ʻano mea.

Greta: A ʻo ʻoe e kamaʻilio nei, noʻu he ʻano lawe wale ia iaʻu i ka ʻōlelo o nā mea ʻē aʻe, ʻeā? A ʻo ka makemake mākou i kēia mau ʻāina ʻē aʻe, ʻo ia mau ʻāina ʻē aʻe kēlā mau moʻomeheu, ʻokoʻa a ʻo ia, ʻo ia, e like me kāu i ʻōlelo ai, ʻano ʻē ia o ka radar ʻAmelika, ʻeā? ʻAʻole lākou, ʻaʻohe kumu e mālama pono ai lākou i kēlā. A no laila, manaʻo wau ʻo ia ke ʻano o kā mākou hana ma ke ʻano he mea hoʻoikaika a like world Beyond War, ʻoi aku ka nui o ka pūnaewele puni honua i kikowaena maoli i ka wā i hoʻokumu ʻia ai mākou he pūnaewele puni honua. A ua ʻike mākou ʻaʻole hiki iā mākou ke hele mai ka ʻāina hoʻokahi wale nō e kāhea ana i ka hoʻopau ʻana i ke kahua kaua holoʻokoʻa.

akā, pono mākou i kēia neʻe honua mai nā ʻaoʻao āpau mai ka poʻe e noho nei, nona nā ʻāina ka mea hoʻoweliweli a mai ka poʻe e noho nei, [00:24:00] ʻike ʻoe, ʻo ka ʻaoʻao invading a mai nā mea a pau e kamaʻilio e pili ana i ka hopena o ka mīkini kaua, ʻoi aku ka mīkini kaua US.

A no laila, ʻike ʻoe, ʻo kahi ʻāpana o kā mākou hana, ʻo ia, ʻano kamaʻāina, kamaʻāina i ka diplomacy kamaʻāina a, ʻike ʻoe, ka hoʻololi moʻomeheu a me ka waiwai o ka loaʻa ʻana o nā webinars a me nā ʻoihana honua e hiki ai iā mākou ke hana i kēia manawa me ka ʻenehana a e hoʻāʻo e ʻano kanaka i kekahi.

Jovanni: Ke hoʻi nei i ka imperialism. No laila ua loaʻa iaʻu ma ʻaneʻi, ʻeā, ʻelima mau hiʻohiʻona o ka imperialism o Len Len, ʻeā? Uh, hoʻokahi, ke kuleana o ka hoʻokele waiwai. ʻElua, ka mana o ke kālā, ʻekolu, ke koʻikoʻi o ka lawe kālā ʻana. ʻEhā, ka stratification spatial o ka honua ma muli o ka mana aupuni. A ʻo ʻelima, nā ʻāpana politika o ka stratification spatial o ka honua. ʻEā, ʻo ia nā mea, ʻo ia, nā hiʻohiʻona āna i hāʻawi ai, uh, back in early in the early 20th century.[00:25:00] Like you said, uh, Anna, uh, the world has changed , uh, uh, uh, nui a puni ka makahiki, i loko o kēia mau makahiki he haneli. Uh, i kēlā manawa he mau kikowaena like ʻole. Aia kekahi mau kikowaena o ke kapikala ia manawa. Loaʻa iā ʻoe ka poʻe Pelekania, iā ʻoe ka Palani, uh, Pukiki.

Akā i kēia lā, ʻoi aku ka pōʻino, e like me kāu i ʻōlelo ai ma mua, ʻo nā kikowaena o ke kapikala ka mea a puni ka honua. Uh, ma mua i hoʻomalu ʻia e ka liʻiliʻi o nā hui like ʻole, nā hui hui.

Anna: ʻAʻole, ʻo ia, ʻo ia, kōkua kēlā. ʻAe. ʻO koʻu manaʻo, ke kani mau nei kāna mau ʻōlelo i kēia lā.

ʻO kaʻu manaʻo, ʻo ke kumu aʻu i manaʻo ai, he kūlike, akā ʻike ʻoe, i kēlā manawa ma mua, ʻae, ʻae. ʻO nā kolone a, a ʻike ʻoe, ma o ka hoʻokuʻu ʻokoʻa ʻana, um, hakakā i nā makahiki 50 kanaono, kanahiku, ua loli. A i kēia manawa, ʻae, ʻoi aku ka ʻoi aku o ka naʻau. Akā ke manaʻo nei au ma ka, ma ke kumu, ma ke kumu, ʻo ia, ʻo ia ka ʻōnaehana hoʻokahi e hana ana[00:26:00]

Jovanni: no laila, a hiki i ka, a hiki i ka pale ʻana, um, kaua, ʻo ke kaua kinetic wale nō ke ʻano o nā mea hoʻoulu kaua e hopohopo? A i ʻole pono nā mea hoʻoikaika, ʻike ʻoe, e makemake nui i kekahi, uh, ala o ke kaua, hana ʻino, e like me ke kaua waiwai, kaua ʻike, kānāwai kaua cyber, kūpono, kaua diplomatic, kaua psychological, kaua ma ke kālā koho, nā kū'ē e hoʻohaunaele, a ʻo kēia mau mea a pau he mau mea ia o ke kaua hope o ka hanauna a i ʻole ke kaua hybrid. Pehea ʻoe e ʻike ai i kēia?

Greta: ʻAe, ʻo wau, manaʻo wau he mau mea koʻikoʻi loa ia e pono ai mākou e hoʻonaʻauao i nā poʻe. ʻAe, ʻoi aku ka hoʻopaʻi, ʻike ʻoe, ua ʻōlelo ʻoe ʻo ia kahi mea a mākou e hana ai a hana i nā pepa ʻoiaʻiʻo a me nā webinars, a he nui nā hui i hoʻolaʻa wale ʻia i kēlā pilikia. ʻAe, akā ke manaʻo nei au, ʻo kēia, pili kēia nīnau i nā mea āpau a mākou e kamaʻilio nei e pili ana i ke ʻano o ka imperialism a me ke ʻano o ka amorphous, ke ʻano kapitalista honua e hana ʻia i kēia mau ʻano like ʻole a, ʻike ʻoe. , ka, [00:27:00] mana o ka media a me na mea a pau. No laila, pili nā mea a pau a pono mākou e hana.

A ke manaʻo nei au ʻo ia wale nō, ʻike ʻoe, e hoʻokūpaʻa i ke koʻikoʻi o ka hoʻonaʻauao a no ka honua ma waho o kahi e loaʻa ai kēia mau ʻaoʻao ʻelua o ka hoʻonaʻauao a me ka hana. ʻO ka debunking mua, he aha nā moʻolelo o ke kaua debunking, nā mea a ka poʻe e ʻike nei ma ka media mainstream, e hāʻawi ana i kēlā moʻolelo mai nā moʻolelo ponoʻī a ma o nā mea hoʻonaʻauao like ʻole e aʻo ai a laila hoʻokō i kēlā ʻike ma o nā hoʻolaha hoʻoikaika.

ʻAe, ʻo ia, ʻOiaʻiʻo, kahi hapa nui o kā mākou kuleana ma ke ʻano he mea hoʻoikaika i ka hana ʻana i kā mākou media ponoʻī e like me kā mākou e hana nei i kēia manawa ma o kēia podcast, um, e hoʻopuka i kahi moʻolelo ʻē aʻe. ʻAe, a, ʻike ʻoe, ua ʻike mākou, he nui nā ala hoihoi a me nā mea hana e hana nei, e like me ka ulu ʻana o nā subs a, a me nā paepae ʻē aʻe i hiki ai i ka poʻe ke hoʻomaka i waho, uh, kahi moʻolelo ʻē aʻe.

Anna: ʻAe, ʻae wau. Manaʻo wau he mau mea koʻikoʻi lākou a me ka mīkini kaua US, ʻike ʻoe, no ka laʻana, diplomacy. ʻAe, no ka mea, manaʻo wau, hiki ke hoʻohana ʻia nā mea like e hoʻopunipuni maoli i ka poʻe i ka manaʻo he ikaika maoli ʻo US no ka maikaʻi akā ʻaʻole ia, ʻo ia, he ala ʻē aʻe no ka US e hoʻāʻo ai. e hoʻopaʻa i kona mau pono.

ʻO kahi hiʻohiʻona maikaʻi loa o ia ka hana nuklea Iran. ʻIke ʻoe, ua komo ʻo ʻAmelika i kēia, ʻaʻole wau e noʻonoʻo i ka lokomaikaʻi o kona puʻuwai, akā e hoʻāʻo maoli e kūʻai aku i kahi ʻāpana o ka elite Iranian i, ʻike ʻoe, Uh, e mālama i nā pono US. ʻAe, a ʻo ka hopena, ʻike ʻoe, ʻo nā pilikia i loko o ka US ʻano, uh, alakaʻi ʻia i ka ʻoki ʻia. A i kēia manawa, ʻaʻole maopopo maoli inā e hana hou ʻia kēlā. ʻAe, ʻoi aku ka nui o ka hana a Kina i ka ʻāina. ʻAe, a ke manaʻo nei au i kēia lā wale nō, ʻo Iran a me Saudi Arabia ke ʻano o ka wehewehe ʻana, um, hiki paha, uh, hoʻopili maʻamau. ʻAe, a me he mea lā ua hoʻokani ʻo Kina ma laila.

No laila, ʻo ka mea, he ʻano ʻano hoʻi nā mea no ka US ma ia ʻano. ʻAe, akā manaʻo wau i ka diplomacy i kēlā ʻano, ʻike ʻoe, pono e ʻike ʻia [00:29:00] no ka mea. Uh, a laila, he wahi liʻiliʻi wale nō ma ka hoʻopaʻi pū kekahi. Manaʻo wau, uh, ka

ʻO nā hoʻopaʻi ma luna o Rūsia, he ala nui ia e hōʻike ai i kēia i nā kānaka no ka mea ʻaʻole i hōʻeha maoli nā hoʻopaʻi iā Rūsia.

Ua hoʻoikaika maoli lākou iā ia a koi aku i nā ʻāina ʻē aʻe e pololei, uh, me lākou i ka rubal. ʻAe, a ʻike ʻoe, me ia mea e hōʻeha ai i nā kānaka, ʻike ʻoe, no ka laʻana, ma Kelemānia a, a me nā wahi ʻē aʻe, a me nā wahi ʻē aʻe a puni ka honua no ka mea, ʻo ka hoʻopaʻi ʻana, uh, ʻoki iā lākou mai ke komo ʻana i nā waiwai Lūkini. a me ia mau mea a pau.

No laila he aha ia mea? Manaʻo wau e huki mākou i kēlā, um, mua a waena me nā kānaka.

Jovanni: ʻAe, wale nō, no laila e haʻi hou i kāu mea e ʻōlelo nei, a he aha, he aha, uh, ʻōlelo ʻo Greta aia nā hui e pili ana i ka hoʻonaʻauao ʻana i ka poʻe me ka hoʻopaʻi, ʻeā? Manaʻo wau, uh, um, e like me 40 mau ʻāina, ma luna o 40 mau ʻāina i ʻae ʻia, ʻeā? ʻO ka hapa nui o kēlā mau ʻāina hoʻopaʻi he mau ʻāina ia ma ka honua hema e hilinaʻi nei i ka ʻākau honua, uh, [00:30:00] kapikala e hoʻomohala, akā ma ka ʻae ʻana iā ʻoe e ʻoki loa iā lākou mai, ke kapikala kikowaena nui, a nani ʻoe. , he ala ia o ka hoʻopaʻi hui ʻana i ka lehulehu holoʻokoʻa no ka mea i kēia manawa ua ʻoluʻolu loa ka ʻāina, uh, ʻo lākou, ua hoʻokau ʻia lākou i ka ʻilihune ma muli o nā hoʻopaʻi.

Akau. Uh, Russia, ua ʻōlelo ʻoe, pololei, ʻo ia ka manawa mua i ʻae ʻia ka ʻāina maoli i kēlā nui, um, i ʻae ʻia. ʻIke ʻoe, a hiki i kēia manawa, ke manaʻo nei au e alakaʻi nei ʻo Rūsia i kēia manawa i ka honua e like me ka ʻāina i hoʻopaʻa ʻia ma ka honua. A no laila, no laila, ʻo nā ʻāina ʻē aʻe i hoʻopaʻa ʻia, pololei, ʻike ʻoe, um, nani loa, e, consolidate a puni kēia, kēia, ʻē, ʻike ʻoe, ʻike ʻoe, Russia, Kina a me nā mea like.

A ma muli o ia, ʻo, ʻo ke aupuni hoʻopaʻi e hoʻohana ʻia nei i nā lāhui ʻilihune, uh, ʻoi aku ka nalo ʻana, ʻo ia, ʻo ia, ʻo ia, kona hiki ke hoʻomau i kēia, kēia ʻano o ka hana kaua. [00:31:00]

Anna: ʻAe, ʻoiaʻiʻo. Manaʻo wau ʻo ia, ʻē, nui loa ka mea e hana nei a pili maoli i ka ʻōnaehana imperialist holoʻokoʻa, aʻu e manaʻo nei aia kekahi mau haʻihaʻi koʻikoʻi i kēia manawa.

ʻAe, a ke manaʻo nei au hiki iā mākou ke ʻae, ʻike ʻoe, ʻaʻole he kaʻina maluhia ka haʻihaʻi ʻana o kahi ʻōnaehana imperialist US. No laila, nui ka hoʻoneʻe ʻana a kūʻē i loko, ma nā ʻano he nui.

Jovanni: Shiloh?

Shiloh: ʻAe, he mau nīnau kaʻu. Manaʻo wau makemake mākou e nīnau kikoʻī iā ʻoe, e Anna, e pili ana i kāu hana. ʻO ke kaua ma Yemen a me ka lawe ʻana i ka manaʻo i ka pepehi ʻana iā General Soleimani um, a me nā hopena ma laila. ʻAe, pehea kou manaʻo i kēia mau pilikia ʻelua, um, i hana ʻia a hōʻike ʻia i ka poʻe ʻAmelika a ua hana pū ʻia e nā mea hoʻoikaika a, a [00:32:00] ka neʻe kaua kaua?

Anna: ʻAe, manaʻo wau me. ʻO ka piʻi ʻana i hana ʻia ma hope o ka pepehi ʻia ʻana o Soleimani he mea koʻikoʻi loa ia. ʻO koʻu manaʻo, ʻike wau ma Boston aia, aia nā hōʻike kūʻē nui iā ia. ʻAe, kahi mea a mākou i ʻike ʻole ai a ʻike ʻole i kahi kūʻē i ke kaua ma Yemen, no ka laʻana.

Akā, ʻo ka poʻe, manaʻo wau ua ʻike pono i kahi kaua kūpono ma waena o ʻAmelika a me Iran e pōʻino. A, ʻae, ʻae, akā manaʻo wau ua hewa hou ma ka ʻaoʻao o ka neʻe kaua kaua, ʻike ʻoe, uh, unuhi i kēlā piʻi ʻana i kahi neʻe nui a me ka hoʻonohonoho like ʻana me nā poʻe i hele i mua. Uh, no laila, manaʻo wau he pilikia nui kēlā e pono e kamaʻilio ʻia. Aʻo wau, manaʻo wau e pili ana i kekahi o nā mea ʻē aʻe a mākou i makemake ai e kamaʻilio e pili ana e like me nā silos a, a me kekahi o nā mea i hele mai me ka huhū kūʻē i ka mīkini kaua. ʻAe, akā ma ke ʻano o ke kaua ma, uh, ma Yemen, ʻae, ʻo wau, [00:33:00] Manaʻo wau ʻaʻole loa he neʻe nui. ʻO koʻu manaʻo, aia kekahi poʻe e hoʻonohonoho kūʻē iā ia no nā makahiki ʻeono, ʻehiku i hala e hana nei. Akā, uh, ma ke ʻano o ke kūʻē ākea me ka, i ka lehulehu o ʻAmelika, ʻo ia kaʻu e manaʻo nei e hōʻike ana nā koho balota i ka hapa nui o nā poʻe ʻaʻole kākoʻo iā ia, akā ʻaʻole maopopo ia i ka unuhi ʻana i ka poʻe e komo. ʻAe, ʻo ia, he pale maoli kēlā no ka mea, ʻae, ʻo wau ke kākoʻo nei ʻo ʻAmelika i nā Saudis. ʻAʻole, ʻike ʻoe, nā pūʻali koa ma ka ʻāina, akā ʻo ke kaua mākou i nā mea he nui, he nui, ma nā ʻano āpau, nā ʻano āpau. ʻAe, ʻo kaʻu mea i ʻike ai he mea koʻikoʻi ma kēia, ʻo ka hoʻokamani maoli, e kēia mau mea i kapa ʻia ʻo progressives a me nā Democrats nāna i hōʻole i kēia kaua i ka wā i noho ai ʻo Trump i ke keʻena. Akā i kēia manawa aia ʻo Biden i ke keʻena, hōʻole ʻo ia e hana i kekahi mea, uh, hōʻole e ʻōlelo i kekahi mea, hana i kekahi mea. Um, a manaʻo wau. [00:34:00] Eia hou, me ke kāhea ʻole ʻana iā lākou a me ka noho ʻole, ʻike ʻoe, e makaʻala e pili ana i ka manawa kūpono o nā poʻe kālai'āina, ʻo ka anti-war movement, ʻaʻole ia e holomua. No laila, ke manaʻo nei au he mea maoli nō ia, me Yemen.

ʻAe, ʻaʻole makemake kekahi e hele i laila. Makemake lākou e noho mālie i ka poʻe Democrats, akā inā he hoʻouka kaua Repubalika, a laila, ʻaʻole wau e manaʻo e loaʻa iā mākou kēia, ʻike ʻoe, ke kākoʻo e pono ai mākou.

Henri: E hele mua, Greta.

ʻO Greta: ʻO ia hoʻi, ʻae, ke kunou wale nei au i koʻu poʻo i ka ʻae ʻana a ʻo wau hoʻi, um, he manawa mōʻaukala ia ma lalo o ka hoʻokele Trump i ka wā i hoʻoholo ʻia ai ke kaua, ʻo, kaua Powers resolution. He mea kupanaha ia. Akā, ua hoʻoholo wale ʻia no ka mea ua ʻike lākou e veto ʻo Trump iā ia, uh, a i kēia manawa ʻaʻole lākou e waiho i ia no ke koho balota. ʻOiaʻiʻo, ʻike ʻoe, ʻoiaʻiʻo, ʻoluʻolu loa i ka wā ʻaʻole ʻo Bernie i kau ai no ke koho balota ma lalo o ke alakaʻi ʻana o Biden.

Anna: ʻAe, ʻoiaʻiʻo.

Jovanni: ʻOiaʻiʻo. No laila, e kamaʻilio e pili ana i ka media, ua ʻōlelo ʻoe i ka media ma mua, Greta. ʻAe, no laila, a ua ʻōlelo mākou ma mua i ka, ʻike ʻoe, ka anti-war, ua hoʻi mākou [00:35:00] i hope i nā makahiki kanaono.

ʻIke ʻoe, aia kekahi hana ma mua o nā kanaono. Aia kekahi i loko, i ka maoli, uh, um, i ka hoʻomaka ʻana o ke kenekulia 20, kahi nui, uh, kūʻē i ke Kaua Honua mua. ʻAe, akā, ke kamaʻilio nei mākou e pili ana i ka, uh, uh, ka neʻe kūʻē kaua i nā makahiki kanaono, ʻeā? No laila, ua like ko mākou mau nūpepa i kēlā manawa, ʻeā? Ua oi aku i hookahi tausani nupepa. Akau? Akā, aia wale nō, ʻekolu wale nō nūhou. He mau haneli kaukani o ka poʻe i puka mai, ʻike ʻoe, no ka mea, ʻike ʻoe, e hoʻopau i ke kaua, ma Vietnam. A i kēlā manawa, loaʻa iā mākou ma kahi o hoʻokahi kaukani nūpepa, ʻeā?

Akā ʻekolu wale nō, ʻekolu mau kīwī kīwī, ʻeā? Maopopo iā ʻoe, a, B, C, N, B, C, a, a he aha kekahi? A, B, C, N, B, C, poina au i kekahi, ʻeā? ʻEhā me ka, me, me, me, e, lehulehu, me, me pbc, pololei? ʻAe, me ka pūnaewele lehulehu, kīwī lehulehu, pololei. No laila, ʻo nā mea a pau, nānā nā mea a pau i ka mea like.

Akā ʻoiai me ka nele, ʻike ʻoe, me ka media i loaʻa iā mākou i kēlā manawa, ʻike ʻoe, ʻoiai mākou, hele mai nā poʻe a me nā, a me nā troves a me nā tausani, ʻike ʻoe, a lākou [00:36:00 ] aia a puni ka ʻāina, ʻike ʻoe, ke kānāwai Wakinekona a, ʻike ʻoe, pololei lākou, ʻike ʻoe, puka mai kēia mau mea haʻiʻōlelo a pau, ʻike ʻoe, ʻo Martin Luther King, ʻike ʻoe, ʻO ka hapa nui o nā poʻe i puka i waho, kēia mau hui āpau. Ua like ia me he kaiaola maoli o nā hui like ʻole, ʻike ʻoe, e hana pū ana a, a uh, uh, ʻike ʻoe, e hoʻopau i ke kaua, e hoʻokau i ke kaomi ma luna o Johnson, a ma luna o Nixon e hoʻopau i ka kaua ma Vietnam. Akau. I kēia lā, loaʻa iā mākou ka ʻike kaiaola nui, ʻeā? Loaʻa iā mākou nā pāʻoihana kaiapili, loaʻa iā mākou kēia mau mea a pau, ʻike ʻoe, ua like mākou ma mua o hoʻokahi kaukani mau ala like ʻole ma Netflix, a, a loaʻa iā mākou, loaʻa iā mākou kēia mau media āpau. Loaʻa iā mākou ka nui o ka media i kēia manawa, pololei? Akā paʻakikī ka hoʻokuʻu ʻana i nā kānaka, ʻike ʻoe? Hiki iāʻoe, hiki iāʻoe ke kamaʻilio e pili ana i kēlā kū'ē'ē maʻaneʻi?

Greta: ʻAe. ʻAe, ʻo kaʻu ʻōlelo, ma kekahi ʻano, ʻoi aku ka nui o ka ʻike. Hiki iā ʻoe ke wehe i kāu kelepona a heluhelu e pili ana i nā pilikia e kū nei ma nā kihi o ka honua, a me he mea lā, aia nā kaukani pilikia. He aha kā mākou e nānā ai? No laila, manaʻo wau [00:37:00] ʻo ia kekahi ʻano o kēia. A ʻo nā mea ʻē aʻe, ʻoiaʻiʻo, ʻo ka hoʻokele hui o ka media a me ka ʻoiaʻiʻo, ʻo nā poʻo kamaʻilio a mākou e ʻike nei ma ka pāpaʻi pinepine, ʻike ʻoe, nā poʻe o ke aupuni, nā luna koho mua. , nā luna aupuni kahiko, a ua hoʻonoho ʻia i kēia manawa ma ke ʻano he poʻo kamaʻilio ma ka pāpaho. No laila, hele mai i lalo i kā mākou hana, e like me nā hui hoʻoikaika, e hana i kā mākou media ponoʻī, i, um, ma o ka moʻolelo, ma o nā webinars, podcasts, world Beyond War holo, nā papa pūnaewele pū kekahi. No laila ke manaʻo nei au ʻo ia kā mākou, ʻo ia kā mākou paʻakikī nui e uhaʻi. A manaʻo wau he mea ʻē aʻe aʻu e hae ai, ʻo ia wale nō kaʻu e manaʻo ai no ka poʻe e ʻae pū me mākou, ʻo kekahi o nā luʻi me ka hoʻonohonoho anti-kaua, malia paha i ka hoʻohālikelike ʻia me nā pilikia ʻē aʻe, ʻo ia hoʻi, manaʻo nui a ʻo ia. ʻO kēia ʻano nui o ka dilemma geopolitical a pehea e hiki ai iā mākou ke hoʻololi maoli?

A no laila, ʻo kekahi o nā mea aʻu e hoʻāʻo nei e nānā aku, ʻo ia ka wāwahi ʻana i lalo i loko o nā ʻanuʻu liʻiliʻi liʻiliʻi a hiki i nā kānaka ke hoʻololi maoli. A i loko o koʻu noʻonoʻo, ʻo ka mea aʻu, ka mea e ʻoluʻolu mai iaʻu, ʻo ia ka divest no ka mea hiki iā mākou [00:38:00] hoʻololi maoli i ka pae o kēlā me kēia kanaka, ka pae hoʻonaʻauao, a i ʻole ka hoʻokuʻu ʻana o ke aupuni mai ka mea hana mea kaua.

No laila, hoʻokahi wale nō laʻana o kahi hoʻolaha a mākou e hana nei. ʻAe, ke manaʻo nei au ʻo kā mākou paʻakikī nui nō hoʻi, ʻo ka media āu e kamaʻilio nei, akā a laila, ʻae, i ka manawa e loaʻa ai iā mākou kekahi e mālama, he aha kā mākou e hoʻopili ai iā lākou i kahi e manaʻo ai lākou e hana ai. he ʻokoʻa ma kēia mau pilikia nui?

Anna: ʻAe, manaʻo wau. Nui aʻe ka nui o nā media, akā i ka manawa like, manaʻo wau ʻo ka hapa nui o ia mea nona nā hui liʻiliʻi. Akau. A no laila ua loli, akā, ʻaʻole, manaʻo wau, a noʻu, manaʻo wau ke kumu i ʻokoʻa ai nā mea i kēlā manawa, pili pū me ʻoe, ʻike ʻoe, ʻano piʻi maoli ka hakakā ʻana o ka Black liberation. a, a me ka huki ʻana i nā poʻe i loko a like, ʻike ʻoe, ua komo ka poʻe hana i kēia mau hakakā a me ke ʻano o ke kūlana honua, ʻaʻole anei? Nui aʻe nā kaua hoʻokuʻu, ʻike ʻoe, a puni ka honua e kūʻē i ka colonialism. A ʻeā, manaʻo wau, [00:39:00] ʻike ʻoe, i kēlā manawa i ka makahiki kanaono, kanaono, ʻoiai, ʻo Kina ka ʻāina socialist a he ʻano hilinaʻi ma nā ʻano he nui. A maopopo ua loli kēlā, akā manaʻo wau he nui. ʻO nā mea o ia wā i ʻae ʻia a kōkua i ke kumu i ʻoi aku ka lanakila o ka neʻe anti-kaua. A pono mākou, pono mākou e aʻo nui mai kēlā. ʻEā, manaʻo wale wau me ka media i kēia manawa, ʻo wau, ʻo ia, he ʻino loa. Like, ʻo kahi wale nō āu e lohe ai

kū'ē iā mākou i ke komo ʻana ma Ukraine ʻo ia ka hōʻike a Tucker Carlson. ʻO koʻu manaʻo, he aha kāu e haʻi ai? ʻOiaʻiʻo? E like me kēia, he ʻakaʻaka.

Jovanni: ʻAʻole maopopo iaʻu. A ʻo wau, ʻike wau i ka nui o ka poʻe naʻauao a me ka nui o nā generals a me nā mea he nui, ʻike ʻoe, ma Twitter a, a, a me ka twittering wale a, a, a kaʻana like i kēia mau ʻatikala a me nā mea like. E hāʻawi wau iā ʻoe i laʻana, ʻeā? Ke kamaʻilio nei au e pili ana i ka pāpaho pūnaewele i kēia manawa.

No laila, i ka wā i hoʻokahuli ʻia ai ʻo Evo Morales? Uh, i kekahi mau makahiki i hala, ʻeā? ʻIke ʻoe, ma o ka hale pāremata ke kapa ʻia nei lākou i kēia manawa, ʻeā? [00:40:00] Hema. Anu. No laila, kāhea mākou iā ia, ma ʻaneʻi, ma San Antonio, nā pūʻulu i, ʻike ʻoe, i komo ma ʻaneʻi. No laila, kāhea mākou iā ia, um, ma ka pūnaewele, a makemake mākou e hana i kahi hui ma ke kūlanakauhale, ʻeā? We set out the call, we set out the press, you know, we did our press release and everything we put out, we have a, we have a Facebook page, you know, we had like, aneane hookahi haneri kanaka pololei. ? Kū. Hele wau, hele mākou, hele mākou, hele mākou, hele mākou. Akau? ʻO ka lā o ka hui, 16 poʻe i hōʻike mai, ʻike ʻoe, mai hoʻokahi haneli poʻe. Pehea ʻoe e loaʻa ai mai kahi haneli poʻe? ʻO nā kānaka 16 wale nō e hōʻike ana.

Anna: No laila he aha kāu e ʻōlelo nei, ʻo ia ke kumu

Jovanni: He mea hou aku, e like me kau i olelo mai ai, e like me ke kamailio ana no ka nui o ka ike a me na mea a pau, aka, he mea wale no, uh, he aha ka mea e lawe ai i ka poe iwaho, ike oe?

Anna: ʻAe, manaʻo wau, ʻae, hoʻonāwaliwali maoli. ʻO koʻu manaʻo, nui koʻu ʻike ma kahi āu e hele ai i kahi kūʻē a aia ʻelima o ʻoukou, 10 paha ʻoukou. He mea hoʻonāwaliwali wale nō, manaʻo wau. [00:41:00] ʻAe, akā ʻo wau, ʻike maoli i ka pono e hana i nā loulou me nā poʻe hana. Manaʻo wau, ʻike ʻoe, ʻaʻole makemake maoli ka poʻe i ka ʻōnaehana i loko o mākou a ʻaʻole makemake ka imperialism i ke aupuni US ma waho. ʻIke ʻoe, like, manaʻo wau ʻo ia ka mea i nalo no, uh, noʻu. A, ʻike ʻoe, he mea nui ia. ʻEā, ʻaʻole wau e ʻōlelo nei he maʻalahi, akā um, But yeah, mean, I, I hear you. Paʻakikī maoli.

Greta: ʻAe. Manaʻo wau ʻaʻole hoʻi e hoʻonāwaliwali no ka mea ma ka hoʻonohonoho ʻana, loaʻa iā mākou ka huaʻōlelo organizer math, ʻo ia ka mea i kapa ʻia ʻo ka makemakika o ps. A aia kēia helu holoʻokoʻa hiki iā ʻoe ke hana, inā makemake ʻoe, ʻike ʻoe, 20 poʻe e hōʻike mai, pono ʻoe i 40 poʻe e RSVP ʻae. Inā makemake ʻoe i 40 poʻe e RSVP ʻAe, pono ʻoe i 80 poʻe āu i hoʻopili ai a i ʻole. A ʻo ia wale nō, mahuahua. No laila e hōʻike wale ana iā ʻoe i ka nui o nā poʻe āu e pono ai e hoʻopili a pehea e kahe ai i waena o ka poʻe e ʻōlelo ʻae a laila ka poʻe e hōʻike maoli ana. A no laila, ke kōkua nei au i nā luna hoʻonohonoho mokuna a puni ka honua, ʻo wau

e hoʻomanaʻo mau [00:42:00] iā lākou i kēlā a ʻōlelo ʻoe, mai hoʻonāwaliwali. Ua like ia me kahi ʻano o ka hoʻonohonoho ʻana e pono ai mākou e makaʻala a ʻike ʻoe, a laila pono ʻoe e noʻonoʻo i kāu mau pahuhopu no ka nui āu e makemake ai e hōʻike a me ka nui āu e hiki ai. ʻAe, akā manaʻo wau pili pū kekahi i kā mākou e kamaʻilio nei e pili ana i ka, um, ʻike ʻoe, ʻike i nā hana e pili ana i ka poʻe.

ʻO ka ʻimi ʻana i nā mea a lākou e manaʻo ai he kūpono ko lākou manawa. A ke manaʻo nei au ma kekahi mau ʻano, e like me ke ʻano o ka hui ʻana, ua hoʻohana nui ʻia. A no laila e ʻōlelo paha ka poʻe, e, he hui hou. Like, like, he aha ia e hana ai? A ke manaʻo nei au aia kekahi manawa a me kahi no nā hui. ʻAʻole wau makemake e ʻōlelo ʻaʻole pono ʻoe e hana i kahi hui, akā ke manaʻo nei wau e hoʻokomo i loko o kēlā pōʻaiapili a e noʻonoʻo e like me ka hoʻolālā hoʻolālā nui a i ka wā e kūpono ai kekahi mau ʻano, a ʻo ia hoʻi, he aha ka mea. ke koi ʻana i ka poʻe i manaʻo lākou he mea kūpono a kūpono hoʻi ko lākou manawa e hōʻike ai.

Anna: ʻAe, pau loa. ʻO koʻu manaʻo, manaʻo wau he pono ke kūkākūkā a hoʻopaʻapaʻa i nā ʻano hana like ʻole. Manaʻo wau he mea mua maoli nō ia. He aha ka ʻike o nā hana a me [00:43:00] nā hana, ʻeā? No koʻu manaʻo inā ʻike ka poʻe i ke kumu e kākoʻo ai, uh, a kūʻē paha i kekahi, uh, kaua a i ʻole kekahi mea like, um, ʻo nā ʻano hana, ʻo ia ka lua. Manaʻo wau he mea nui lākou, akā manaʻo wau i ka ʻike a pehea ʻoe e pili ai i ka pilikia i ko lākou ola a. A no ke aha he mea nui lākou e kū a hoʻonohonoho. Manaʻo wau he mea koʻikoʻi ia i kēia nīnau, akā ʻae, manaʻo wau e lawe mai ʻoe i ka maikaʻi

Greta: helu pū kekahi.

Shiloh: Ua makemake wau e hahai i kekahi mea, ʻo ʻoe, uh, ua ʻōlelo ʻoe iā Anna, e like me, um, ʻo ia wale nō e like me ka media mainstream hiki iā ʻoe ke loaʻa, um, e ʻōlelo kūʻē, uh, ke kaua proxy US ma, ma Ukraine a ʻo Rusia ʻo Tucker Carlson a me Fox News. A, um, ua kamaʻilio liʻiliʻi mākou ma mua e pili ana i ka holo ʻana o Trump e like me ka mea i manaʻo ʻia he anti-war, uh, pelekikena, ʻike ʻoe, ua ʻōlelo ʻo kāna pelekikena holoʻokoʻa blah, blah, blah, ka mea a mākou i ʻike ai ma ke ʻano o ka waiwai, ʻo ia wale nō. [00:44:00] ʻaʻohe.

Akā, makemake wau e ʻike e like me kāu mau manaʻo i ka, ke ʻano kūpono o ka lawe ʻana i kahi kū kūʻē kaua, um, ʻano like me ke komo ʻana i ka neʻe anti-kaua. A laila, he aha, ʻae. He aha nā manaʻo ʻē aʻe āu i loaʻa ai i ka neʻe anti-war, um, i ka US akā um, ma ka honua holoʻokoʻa, no ka mea, ʻike wau aia ʻoe ma Portugal i kēia manawa.

Anna: ʻAe, ʻaʻole, he nīnau koʻikoʻi loa ia. Um, kahi e hoʻomaka ai. ʻAe, manaʻo wau ʻo ka pono, ka loaʻa ʻana o kēia mau manaʻo kūʻē i ke kaua. ʻIke ʻoe, ko lākou kumu, kā lākou mea i kapa ʻia he kumu, loaʻa iā lākou, ʻike ʻoe, ma ke kuaʻāina ʻo ʻAmelika a me nā poʻe, ʻike ʻoe, i uku i ke kumukūʻai me kēia mau kaua, ʻike ʻoe, ua hele kā lākou mau keiki a make. A, a he nui ka poʻe mai ia kahua e kūʻē iā ia. A no laila, ua ʻike ʻoe, e like me ke ʻano o ka poʻe Demokarata, manaʻo wau makemake ka poʻe Repubalika e hui pū a hoʻohana no kā lākou pono ponoʻī. ʻAe, akā manaʻo wau [00:45:00] ʻo ia ka mea e noʻonoʻo ai i kēlā kumu waiwai maoli e hiki aku ai a hoʻāʻo e hana ma nā ʻano politika, ʻo ia ke kumu i manaʻo ai au, ʻike ʻoe, a ʻo wau, ke manaʻo nei au i ka huhū kūʻē. ʻO ka mīkini kaua he hana koʻikoʻi a, a kūʻē a manaʻolana kekahi o nā mea he nui. Akā, ʻae, ʻae, manaʻo wau, ʻike ʻoe, ʻike maopopo kēia poʻe he opportunist a ʻaʻole lākou he anti-imperialist. E like me ʻoe ʻo Matt Gates e kākoʻo ana i ke kānāwai e hoʻopau i ke komo ʻana o US ma Suria, ʻaʻole? ʻO koʻu manaʻo, pono e kākoʻo ʻia kēlā. ʻAʻole ʻo ia he anti-imperialist a ʻaʻole ia he hoaaloha no ka poʻe, manaʻo wau. Akā, ʻae, manaʻo wau e hōʻike ana i ka hohonu, um, nā manaʻo kūʻē i ke kaua, ua wehe ʻia e ka neʻe anti-kaua no ka mea he sectarian a i ʻole kekahi poʻe i loko o ia mea he sectarian loa, ʻaʻole naʻe. ʻAe, ʻaʻole maopopo iaʻu. Manaʻo wau he mea hou aʻe inā makemake ʻoe, akā manaʻolana ua kōkua pū kekahi i kahi hoʻomaka.

Shiloh: [00:46:00] Greta, he aha kāu, um, ʻae, e like me nā hoʻopaʻapaʻa maʻamau o ka neʻe kaua kaua a, um, he aha kou manaʻo e hiki ai, uh, ʻae, loaʻa iā ʻoe kekahi mea like nā manaʻo hoʻoholo a i ʻole nā ​​manaʻo i ka mea e hana ai?

Greta: ʻAe, ʻae wau i kā Anna kānana. ʻO wau, ʻo wau, noho au i kahi kuaʻāina loa. ʻAe, a hiki iaʻu, hiki iaʻu ke hōʻoia i kāu e ʻōlelo nei, um, ma ke ʻano o ka manaʻo o koʻu hoalauna. ʻAe, a, ʻike ʻoe, ke ʻeha nei ka ʻāina ʻo ʻAmelika i ka hoʻokele waiwai a, aia ka neʻe ʻana i nā makahiki he 50 a hiki i hoʻokahi haneli i nā kikowaena kūlanakauhale. Maopopo iā ʻoe, ke hāʻule nei nā mea i loko o ke kuaʻāina. ʻAe, no laila ke ʻae nei au iā ʻoe aia kēlā manaʻo o kahi, uh, hiki ke kūʻē i ke kaua a i ʻole ākea, ʻano like me ka hānai ʻana i ka ʻōnaehana a, ʻike ʻoe, a, a maopopo ʻo Trump e hānai i kēlā manaʻo.

ʻAe, ʻo kahi ʻāpana o kā mākou hana, ʻike ʻoe, ma ka mahiʻai e like me ke kūkulu ʻana i kēlā mau alahaka. Like yeah, we may not agree with every single point, you know, of other [00:47:00] people in our neighborhood. ʻAe, ma hea mākou e ʻike ai i kēlā kumu like? Um, a, ʻike ʻoe, no nā kumu like ʻole, manaʻo wau, ʻike ʻoe, ua huki ʻia wau e noho i kahi kuaʻāina a hoʻomaka i kahi mahiʻai a hoʻāʻo e hoʻokō iā ʻoe iho.

He ʻano manaʻo like ia no lākou, ʻeā? Me he mea lā e ʻāhewa ana kāua ʻelua i ka ʻōnaehana a hoʻāʻo e haʻalele iā ia a, ʻike ʻoe, kūkulu i kahi manaʻo

ke kūʻokoʻa a me ke kūʻokoʻa. A, um, me kaʻu world Beyond War papale, um, o makou no hoi. Loaʻa i ka manaʻo pili ʻole. ʻIke ʻoe, ʻaʻole mākou pili i kekahi ʻaoʻao politika.

ʻAe, a ke manaʻo nei mākou e huki mai i nā poʻe mai kēlā ʻaoʻao o ke ʻano politika, mai kahi hiʻohiʻona honua, um, mai nā ʻano like ʻole. ʻAe, a, ʻike ʻoe, hana mākou me nā poʻe i loaʻa ʻole nā ​​​​manaʻo like ʻole mai kekahi i kekahi ma kekahi mau mea. E like me, ʻike ʻoe, ʻoiai inā ʻoe e kamaʻilio e pili ana i nā pilikia pihi wela e like me ka hoʻohemo ʻana a i ʻole kekahi mea, pololei?

He ʻokoʻa loa ko lākou manaʻo, akā hiki iā lākou ke hui pū a hiki ke hana pū me lākou World Beyond War ma muli o kēlā makemake like i ka hoʻopau kaua. No laila kahi mea a mākou e hoʻāʻo nei e hoʻoulu. Um, A ke manaʻo nei au, ʻike ʻoe, i kou manaʻo, e Anna, he paʻakikī loa ia no ka, ʻo ka partisanship a me nā māhele i loko, ʻoi loa i ka hui US i kēia lā.

A aia ma laila, aia kekahi poʻe, pololei, ʻaʻole lākou e hana pū me kekahi a, ʻaʻole lākou e hana pū me kekahi, ʻike ʻoe, ʻaʻole kaʻana like i ko lākou manaʻo i kēia mau pilikia āpau. A, ʻae, ʻike ʻoe, ʻo David Swanson, ko mākou luna hoʻokele, i ka wā e kamaʻilio ai e pili ana i ke kumu i koho ai ʻo ia e ʻōlelo me ka huhū kūʻē i ka hui kaua mīkini kaua, ʻōlelo ʻo ia, ʻike ʻoe, ʻaʻole ʻo ia e ʻae like me kēlā me kēia wahi o ka poʻe ʻo ia. kamaʻilio pū me.

E like me, loaʻa iaʻu kahi hui a i ʻole ma kahi papa a i ʻole kekahi mea. E like me, ʻaʻole ʻo ia e hele i kahi hanana kahi e ʻae ai ʻo ia i hoʻokahi haneli pakeneka me nā poʻe ʻē aʻe. ʻAe, no ka ʻōlelo ʻana like, pono ʻoe e ʻae me nā mea a pau, me he mea lā ʻaʻole hiki iā ʻoe ke kamaʻilio ma kekahi hanana. ʻAe, a pēlā hou, hoʻāʻo wale mākou e ʻimi i ka ʻāina maʻamau i kahi e hiki ai.

ʻEā, a i kēlā hihia no kēlā hanana, um, ʻike ʻoe, ua ʻae mākou me nā koi āpau. Ua ikaika maoli nā koi, me ka hoʻopau ʻana i ka mīkini kaua, ʻaʻole e hele nā ​​hui he nui a hiki i ka hoʻokomo ʻana i kēlā koi, a ua kūlike loa ia [00:49:00] me World Beyond War. ʻO ia ke kumu i komo ai mākou, um, e hoʻāʻo e kūkulu i kēlā ʻano hale lole nui e hoʻāʻo e ʻimi i ka mea maʻamau, ma ka liʻiliʻi loa ma kēia pilikia haiki o ka hoʻopau kaua.

A, ʻike ʻoe, inā ʻoe e noi mai iaʻu e ʻano hoʻohewa, a ke manaʻo nei wau ke ʻano o ka hoʻopaʻa ʻana i kēlā hanana, Um, manaʻo wau hoʻokahi mea, e nānā, ʻaʻole wau i laila, akā ke nānā nei i ka hui holoʻokoʻa. ʻO YouTube, um, ua liʻiliʻi wau, uh, hopohopo a i ʻole hoʻokahi ʻōlelo hoʻohewa wale nō kekahi o nā mea haʻiʻōlelo aʻu i manaʻo ai ua haʻalele a hoʻomaka lākou e kamaʻilio e pili ana i nā pilikia ʻē aʻe ʻaʻole pono ke kikowaena o nā koi.

A ke manaʻo nei au i kekahi mau mea hoʻopaʻapaʻa e like me nā kano a me nā mea ʻē aʻe, ʻaʻole wau i manaʻo ʻo ia kahi e komo ai i kēlā. No laila, e ʻōlelo wau ua pono lākou e kālele nui i nā koi koʻikoʻi, a ke manaʻo nei au ua hana ʻo David, ko mākou luna hoʻokele, i kahi hana maikaʻi loa i ke komo ʻana a me ka hāʻawi ʻana i kēlā manaʻo abolitionist ʻo ia ke koi koʻikoʻi.

ʻAe, he mau mea wale nō kēlā

manaʻo

Jovanni: ʻOiaʻiʻo. ʻOiaʻiʻo. ʻAe, a, e kamaʻilio ana i kēlā, pololei, he mea hoihoi, [00:50:00] pololei? A kamaʻilio e pili ana iā nato. Akau. I ka manawa, no laila, i ke kaua, i ka wā i hoʻomaka hou ai ka pilikia ma Ukraine, ʻike ʻoe, ma Pepeluali 24th, 2022, uh, nui nā kūkākūkā, pololei. A pehea e pane aku ai i ka hakakā, ʻeā?

Uh, he nui, you know, there was some discussions and whatnot, and unfortified was, you know, me ka poe liilii o ke kukakuka ana, pololei. Akā, uh, kekahi o nā orgs, uh, a, ʻike ʻoe, komo i ke kūkākūkā a ʻo wau, ʻo wau ka inoa hoʻokahi, um, uh, dsa, no ka laʻana, pololei? I ka wā ma mua, uh, critique nato, you know, but overnight just rehabilitated NATO and then became a pods for nato, right?

ʻEā, ʻaʻole kēia ka manawa mua, akā, ʻike ʻoe, ʻo ia, he moʻolelo, hoʻohoka loa ia mai koʻu ʻaoʻao. ʻIke ʻoe, ka poʻe aʻu i noho pū ai, ʻike ʻoe, um, ʻike ʻoe, um, A, ʻike ʻoe, ke lohe ʻana i nā kūkākūkā, ʻike ʻoe, ʻo ia wale nō kā lākou e kamaʻilio nei, um, ʻike ʻoe, hoʻopaʻi koke. lākou [00:51:00] e kamaʻilio ana, he um, no-fly zones, ʻike ʻoe, ʻo wai nā kiʻiʻoniʻoni lele i hoʻouka ʻia, ʻike ʻoe? ʻAe, akā ʻae. Pehea kou manao no ia mea?

Anna: ʻAe, auwe. ʻO wau, ʻae, makemake wau e ʻike i kēlā, um, ka mea a lākou i ʻōlelo ai no ka Wow. Akā, uh, no ka mea, ke manaʻo nei au i ka US he kuleana ko mākou e hoʻomaʻamaʻa maoli, he aha ke kuleana o NATO i ka hoʻokumu ʻana i kēia kaua a hoʻonāukiuki i kēia kaua? Akau. ʻIke ʻoe, manaʻo wau ua maopopo ʻaʻole ia e hōʻoia i ka hoʻouka kaua ʻana o Rūsia, a ʻaʻohe mea e ʻōlelo nei pēlā. Akā ʻaʻole hiki iā ʻoe, ʻike ʻoe, he aha ka ʻōlelo? ʻAʻole hiki iā ʻoe ke kāhea i ka ipu ʻeleʻele ke pā ʻoe? ʻaʻole maopopo iaʻu. Akā naʻe, ʻike ʻia ka hoʻokamani a ʻo ka poʻe ma US, pono mākou, pono mākou e wehewehe i kēlā i nā poʻe. A i ʻole, ke hoʻolaha wale nei mākou i ka US imperialism [00:52:00] a i ka hopena, ʻike ʻoe, kaua nuklea, ʻo ia ka mea ma ka laina ma ʻaneʻi i kēia manawa.

ʻAe, ʻae, huhū loa, akā ʻae,

Greta: ʻoiaʻiʻo. ʻAe. A World Beyond War Lawe pinepine mākou i kēia ʻano kuʻuna, a mākou e lawe nei i kēia hōʻike, ʻo ia hoʻi, ʻo ka mea āu i ʻōlelo ai, e Anna, ua ʻike ʻoe, ʻaʻole mākou e ʻae i ka hoʻouka kaua ʻana mai o Rusia mai. World Beyond Warka manaʻo. Ke kūʻē nei mākou i nā kaua āpau mai kekahi i kēlā me kēia manawa, ʻike ʻoe?

Akā i ka manawa like, pono mākou e hoʻolako pū i kēlā ʻano. A kamaʻilio e pili ana i ke komo ʻana o NATO, e kamaʻilio e pili ana i ke komo ʻana o ka US. No laila he kūlana nuanced a ua ʻike mākou ʻaʻole hiki i nā kānaka ke mālama i kēlā. ʻIke ʻoe, he kakaikahi ka poʻe hiki iā ia. Me he mea lā, ʻo ia hoʻi, ke ʻano o ka hoʻi ʻana i ka hoʻokaʻawale ʻana i ko mākou kaiāulu, ʻoi aku hoʻi ma US i kēia mau lā.

A he manaʻo ʻeleʻele a keʻokeʻo wale nō. A inā ʻōlelo ʻoe e kūʻē ana ʻoe i ka hoʻouna ʻana i nā mea kaua i Ukraine, a laila, ʻo ʻoe he Putin apologist a me ka, ʻaʻohe wahi waena. A no laila ka ʻōlelo [00:53:00] a mākou e hoʻohana nei World Beyond War, ka mea a Davida i olelo ai i ka huhu i ka hui kaua mīkini kaua, o Rusia mai loko mai o Ukraine, nATO i waho. A ke manaʻo nei au e hōʻuluʻulu maoli ana i ko mākou kūlana. A he mea ʻakaʻaka i ka hui ʻana i ka wā i hoʻomaka ai ʻo David i kēlā huaʻōlelo, a ʻōlelo ʻo ia, ʻo Rūsia ma waho o Ukraine, ua ʻike wau aia kahi manawa o ke kānalua, ʻo ka ʻūhā, no ka mea, ʻaʻohe mea e hoʻohewa maoli iā Rusia ma ka hui. No laila, like ia, whoa, he ʻano ʻokoʻa kēlā. Akā, ua puni ʻo ia i hope a ʻōlelo ʻo ia, a ua pau ka NATO. A laila, paʻipaʻi ka anaina a kau i luna me kēlā. A no laila, manaʻo wau he mea nui ka hui pū ʻana i kēlā mau manaʻo ʻelua, a me ka loaʻa ʻana o kēia kūlana nuanced. A ʻo ia kā mākou, he paʻakikī nui ia i ka makahiki i hala.

Jovanni: Ke hōʻike aku nei au iā ʻoe, e, ʻo wau, e kaʻana like i kahi mea wikiwiki loa, e, me ʻoe. ʻEā, e kaʻana like aku i kēia pale kaʻana.

ʻIke ʻoukou iā ʻAe. Evolved, uh, no ka mea, he ʻano ʻano ʻāina ʻokoʻa ka ʻāina a lākou e nānā nei i kēia manawa. No laila [00:54:00] pono lākou, uh, nā ahi lōʻihi. Uh, ua lohe ʻoe iā lākou, uh, hōʻike i ka pono o nā kaʻa kaʻa, a ke hana nei mākou i nā mea āpau e hiki ai ke loaʻa iā lākou, uh, nā ʻano kākoʻo, nā ʻano pū a me nā mea kaua e hiki ai. e hooikaika ma keia kahua o ka hakaka.

Uh, a no laila e loaʻa iā mākou kahi manawa e, ua hana nui mākou e like me kāu e ʻike ai, ua ʻike ʻoe, uh, i ka mea a mākou i hana ai ma ʻaneʻi i hala aku nei me ka 800 miliona 800 miliona mana i hāʻawi ʻia. e ka peresidena, e hiki ia makou ke hoolako i elima bataliona o 155 Howitzers, uh, haneri tausani o, uh, o, uh, puni o un o, uh, pu.

A no laila ke hoʻopili pū nei mākou i kā mākou mau hoa hana ma nā ʻāina ʻē aʻe no ke ʻano o ka hiki. A ʻike mākou i nā hōʻailona ma mua. E hele mai ana lākou, e hele mai ana nā ʻāina he nui a hoʻolako, uh, hou, uh, uh, munitions a, a me Howards a pēlā paha mākou e hoʻoikaika ikaika ai, e like me ka hiki. hiki iā mākou ke loaʻa iā lākou ka mea e pono ai lākou.[00:55:00]

Makemake mākou e ʻike, uh, Ukraine, uh, e noho aliʻi, uh, ʻāina, uh, aupuni democratic hiki ke pale i kona, uh, uh, kona ʻāina aupuni. Uh, makemake mākou e ʻike iā Rūsia, uh, uh, nāwaliwali, uh, i hiki ʻole iā ia ke hana i nā ʻano mea i hana ai, uh, i loko o ka hoʻouka ʻana iā Ukraine. No laila, ua nalowale ka nui o ka pūʻali koa, uh, a me ka nui, uh, ka nui o kona mau pūʻali, ʻoiaʻiʻo.

A, uh, makemake mākou e ʻike iā lākou ʻaʻole i hiki ke hana hou i kēlā mana. Uh, makemake mākou e ʻike i ka hui ʻana o ka honua holoʻokoʻa, uh, ʻoi aku ka nato. A ke ʻike nei mākou i kēlā a ʻo ia, uh, ma muli o ka hana paʻakikī o ka helu ʻekahi, ʻo Pelekikena Biden, akā, ʻo kā mākou mau hoa aloha a me nā hoa hana i makemake.

Leaned i kēia, uh, me mākou i ko mākou kau ʻana i nā hoʻopaʻi a ʻoiai mākou, uh, neʻe wikiwiki loa e hōʻike e pale aku mākou i kēlā me kēia ʻīniha o ka nato.

ʻO ke kumu aʻu i hōʻike aku ai iā ʻoe i kēia, pololei, no ka mea, e hoʻi ana i kāu mea e ʻōlelo nei iā Greta e pili ana, e pili ana i ka hoʻonaʻauao, [00:56:00] um, inā, a, a pehea ke kani ʻana, um, ka anti-war movement a i ʻole, a i ʻole, pono ʻoe e ʻike, pono e aʻo ʻia i ka ʻoiaʻiʻo, ma ka honua, i nā mea e hana nei.

A, ʻike ʻoe, ʻaʻole hiki iā mākou ke hānau ʻia i nehinei nā mea hoʻoikaika, ʻeā? Um, a ʻo Lloyd Arthur kēlā, ʻo ia, ke Kakauolelo o ka Puʻukū, um, e kamaʻilio e pili ana i nā mea kākoʻo a pau, ʻo ia ʻo Ukraine, e kiʻi mai ke komohana. Um, ua loaʻa nā manawa. E hoopau i keia kaua. ʻO ka hoʻomaka ʻana o ke kaua ma Malaki, he manawa kūpono e hoʻopau ai, ʻike ʻoe, uh, he mau kamaʻilio, kamaʻilio maluhia C, ʻike ʻoe, i ka makahiki i hala a ua torpedo.

Um, um, ma hope koke iho, aia kekahi. He torpedo hoʻi ka lua o ka hoʻāʻo ʻana e hoʻopau i ke kaua, ʻeā? ʻO ia ʻo Boris, ʻo Boris Johnson, ke kuhina nui o UK, i kahi huakaʻi pilikino i, i Kiev a haʻi iā Zelensky inā e kūkākūkā ʻo ia me Rusia, ʻike ʻoe, e nalowale ʻo ia i nā kākoʻo āpau mai, mai, mai ka EU a me nā mea ʻē aʻe. ʻAe, no laila ua haʻi ʻia kēlā me kēia manawa e hoʻopau ai i kēia kuleana iā Peter, ʻeā? Mai ko mākou hiʻohiʻona ma ʻaneʻi, mai ʻaneʻi, mai hea mākou. Um, maopopo iā ʻoe, he aha kā mākou e hana ai? Pehea e hiki ai iā mākou ke kuhikuhi i kēlā? Pehea e hiki ai iā mākou ke hoʻoikaika, e, i kā mākou alakaʻi e hoʻopau i kēia hakakā? No ka mea, aia ʻoe i loko, aia ʻoe i ʻEulopa a aia ʻoe

ʻike maka i ke ʻano o ka hana ʻana ma ʻEulopa, akā ʻaʻole mākou i ʻike, ʻaʻole like ka hopena ma ʻaneʻi, ka nuance like, like, um, analysis here.

Uh, ʻike ʻia pēlā, um, a, um, ʻae, e haʻalele wau i kēlā, e hāʻawi wau iā ʻoe i manawa e pane ai.

Anna: ʻAe, ʻaʻole, he kiʻi haʻihaʻi loa kēlā, manaʻo wau, uh, ma nā ʻaoʻao he nui. Akā, he mea hoihoi wale nō ia e pili ana i ka wehe ʻana o nā mea ma ʻEulopa. Uh, i loko o Kelemānia no ka laʻana, ua nui nā kūʻē hou me nā tausani o ka poʻe, um, uh, koi e hoʻopau, ʻike ʻoe, ke komo ʻana o Kelemania.[00:58:00]

Uh, and I. You know what, what Jen, uh, Lloyd Austin was talking about how NATO is united. ʻOiaʻiʻo, ʻaʻole pololei kēlā i ka hoʻomaka ʻana o ke kaua, ʻeā? Aia kekahi, ʻē, ʻike ʻoe, nā haʻihaʻi, e, e pili ana i ka hele ʻana i mua a me ka mea e hana ai, um, a me he mea lā. Mai ka mea aʻu i heluhelu ai, ua koi maoli ʻo ʻAmelika iā Kelemania a, a me nā mea ʻē aʻe ma NATO i kahi kihi me ka, uh, nā pana ʻana o North Stream, uh, i kēia manawa, ʻike ʻoe, uh, paʻi ʻia a hiki iā mākou. kamaʻilio e pili ana i kēlā. ʻAe, akā manaʻo wau he nui ka huhū ma nā wahi e like me Kelemania kahi e ʻike pono ai ka poʻe, ʻike ʻoe, ke hāʻule wale nei ke aupuni me ka US a i kēia manawa, pono nā kānaka e uku i mua ma ke ʻano. ʻO ka nele o ka wela, ka piʻi ʻana o nā kumukūʻai, ka piʻi ʻana, nā mea āpau. A no laila, ʻoi aku ka maopopo o nā loulou ma waena o ia mau mea. ʻOiai ma ka US ʻaʻole wau i manaʻo. ʻEā, nui loa, uh, hoʻopuka a hoʻopili ʻia e, uh, poʻe ma ka [00:59:00] anti-war movement. ʻO ka mea e pili ana, manaʻo wau ʻo ka pilikia nui, ʻo ia, ʻo ka loaʻa ʻana o nā loulou me nā poʻe i loko, i ka papa hana, uh, ka mea makemake ʻole i kēia kaua, uh, a ʻike i kēlā me kēia lā. nā hopena o ia mea, akā ʻo ka ʻōnaehana kapitalista ākea i ko lākou ola. Um, manaʻo wau he mea nui ia i ke kūkulu ʻana i kahi neʻe e hiki ke hoʻokūkū a koi i kēlā mau mea mai ke aupuni. No ka mea, manaʻo wau ʻo ia wale nō ke ala, um, hiki iā mākou ke lanakila i kēlā mau ʻae.

Greta: ʻAe, manaʻo wau. Noʻu, ke noʻonoʻo nei au ma ke ʻano he mea hoʻonohonoho, mea hana, a. E ʻōlelo wau pono mākou e hoʻonui i ka ʻokoʻa o nā ʻano hana a mākou e hana ai. ʻAe, ma ke ʻano, ʻike ʻoe, ʻo ka hana nui aʻu i ʻike ai e pili ana i ke kūʻē ʻana i ke kaua ʻo Ukraine, ʻike ʻoe, ʻo nā hui a me nā noi. ʻAe, a no laila e hoʻohālikelike wau i ka neʻe anti-kaua a me aʻu e hoʻonui i kēlā. Ke noʻonoʻo nei au [01:00:00] ʻoi aku ka manaʻo o ka pale kīwila a me ka manaʻo o ka hui ʻole, ʻike ʻoe, ua ʻike mākou i nā hiʻohiʻona mōʻaukala o kēlā. ʻO nā limahana Denemaka ma lalo o ke aupuni Nazi e hana ana, um, manaʻo wau he mau mea kaua a i ʻole kekahi mea, a e hana ana lākou a laila i ka hopena o ka lā e wehe lākou i nā bolts i nā ʻāpana a, ʻo ʻoe.

ʻike, pono mākou e hana hou i ka hana. Nā mea like. ʻAe, a ʻike paha ʻoe, no ka laʻana, ua ʻike mākou i nā neʻe ʻē aʻe e like me nā boycotts i kūleʻa. ʻAe, no laila ke manaʻo nei au he ʻano like mākou, Loaʻa iā mākou kēia ʻike haiki loa o nā ʻano hana a ʻaʻole ia e hoʻopau i kēia kaua a me kēia ʻano mīkini kaua nui a mākou e kamaʻilio nei. ʻAe, no laila, ke hoʻāʻo nei au e hoʻoikaika iā mākou, uh, a ke manaʻo nei au, ʻo ia kaʻu e ʻōlelo nei he wahi paʻakikī loa, akā manaʻo wau pono mākou e hele ma mua o kēia maʻamau. ʻike i nā ʻano hana. A, akā, ke manaʻo nei au, ʻo ka paʻakikī nui hoʻi ke hoʻomaka ʻoe e kamaʻilio e pili ana i nā mea e like me ka pale kīwila, boycotts, kēlā ʻano mea, he hopena ia iā mākou pākahi. ʻIke ʻoe, [01:01:00] ʻaʻole paha e kūʻai i kekahi mau huahana āu e kūʻai maʻamau ai a i ʻole ia. A, a no laila ʻo ia ka, ʻo ia ka wahi kaomi, ʻeā? E like paha, hiki i ka poʻe ke haʻalele i kekahi mau mea hōʻoluʻolu, e hiki ke hana i kēia mau pilikia?

Jovanni: ʻAe. E hoʻohui wale i kāu mea e ʻōlelo nei e pili ana i kēia manawa ma Italia, uh, loaʻa iā ʻoe nā limahana hana. ʻAe, ʻo ka poʻe hana uka. ʻO ka hōʻole ʻana i ka hoʻouka ʻana i nā mea kaua i loko, uh, uh, nā moku e holo ana i, i Ukraine, um, ʻo ia kahi hana ʻē aʻe i hoʻohana ʻia ma ʻEulopa. ʻAe, pōmaikaʻi ʻaʻole, ʻaʻole nui ma ʻaneʻi, Silo.

Shiloh: ʻAe, ua like wau me ka hoihoi ʻia ʻana e kēlā kiʻi āu i hōʻike ai. E like me kekahi mau mea i kū i waho. E like me ka, ʻo ka huaʻōlelo, uh, uh, ua hoʻohana ʻo Lloyd Austin i ka huaʻōlelo o nā hoa hana e pili ana i ka poʻe o Ukraine, ua ʻike ka poʻe o Rūsia he hoihoi a haʻi, um, he shill wale nō ia, ʻike ʻoe, e like me kā mākou ʻike no ka ʻoihana ʻoihana koa. ʻUm, [01:02:00] a ʻo ia, ua like ʻo ia me ke kū ʻana e like me kahi hale hana e like me kahi hale hana ʻoihana. ʻO wau, ʻike wau he hoihoi maoli nō. A loaʻa nō hoʻi iaʻu, ʻike ʻoe, e like me kēia laina paʻakikī a ka US a, a ke lawe nei kēia hoʻokele, e like me, e pale mākou i kēlā me kēia ʻīniha o ka nato, ʻaʻole ʻo Ukraine ʻāpana o nato. No laila he aha ʻoe, he aha kāu e kamaʻilio nei?

ʻAe, ʻike wau i ka hoihoi maoli nō.

Jovanni: No laila, ʻeā, e hōʻike aku wau iā ʻoe i kahi kiʻi ʻē aʻe me ka wikiwiki. ʻEā, he kiʻi ʻē aʻe me ka wikiwiki a hoʻopaʻa i kou manaʻo. No laila ʻo ia ʻo Laurie Anderson. ʻO ia ka, uh, um, ka Southcom South Command, uh, luna. ʻAe, a ʻo ia kāna e ʻōlelo ai. ʻO kēia ʻāina, ʻo ia ʻo ʻAmelika ʻAmelika, kāna e ʻōlelo nei.

Paʻi wikiō: He waiwai nui kēia ʻāina i nā kumuwaiwai, uh, nā minelala honua laha, lithium, nā huinakolu lithium ma kēia ʻāina. Uh, nui nā mea a kēia māhele e hāʻawi ai. ʻO ka Beon Road Initiative, [01:03:00] 21 o nā ʻāina he 31 nā mea hōʻailona i nā makahiki ʻelima i hala, 2017 a i 2021. Uh, hoʻopukapuka, uh, ma luna o 50 billion. Manaʻo wau e kokoke ana paha i hoʻokahi haneli piliona o nā Kina

hoʻokomo kālā ma kēia māhele. Manaʻo wau e pāʻani ana lākou i ka chess. Nui nō hoʻi ʻo Rūsia ma kēia ʻāina, a ke manaʻo nei au ke pāʻani nei lākou i nā checkers. Manaʻo wau aia lākou ma laila e hoʻohaʻahaʻa, uh, ʻAmelika Hui Pū ʻIa. ʻAʻole lākou, aia lākou e hoʻohaʻahaʻa, uh, democracies a he ʻoihana lākou āpau. Inā lākou e pāʻani ana i ka chess a i ʻole nā ​​​​checkers, aia lākou ma laila e hoʻohaʻahaʻa i ka demokala. A ʻo ka ʻoiaʻiʻo, me nā kuhi hewa a pau, uh, a me, uh, Russia i kēia lā ʻo Espanol, Sputnik, Mundo, ʻoi aku ma mua o 30 miliona mau mea hahai ma Rūsia, aia ma ka uia pūnaewele. ʻO koʻu manaʻo, pili loa kēia. He nui nā koho koʻikoʻi e hiki mai ana a i ʻole i hana ʻia, uh, a pono mākou e hoʻomau i ka pili ʻana a [01:04:00] pili i kēia ʻāina.

Jovanni: No laila, um, e hāʻawi wale i ka pōʻaiapili o kāna ʻōlelo, e hoʻi i ka hoʻopaʻi a me nā mea a pau, a ma mua o kēlā, um, a ke piʻi pū nei mākou i ka, uh, uh, ka lā hoʻomanaʻo o 200, lā hoʻomanaʻo. o ka Monroe Doctrine i keia makahiki kekahi. ʻAe, ʻo ke aʻo ʻana o ka moron ka mea nui loa i ka ʻīpuka, i nā kaua kaua ʻAmelika Latin ma hope.

ʻO koʻu manaʻo, aia wau i ke kula kiʻekiʻe i ka wā i hoʻouka ʻia ai ke kaua i loko, i loko, i loko, uh, hoʻouka hou ʻia ʻo Panama. ʻIke ʻoe, hoʻomanaʻo maopopo wau i kēlā. ʻAe, ma hope koke iho, ʻike ʻoe, ʻo ke kaua ia ma Iraq. ʻAe, akā, pololei ka mea āu e ʻōlelo nei, ʻo ka ʻike ʻana o ka US, ʻike i ka, um, e pili ana i nā ʻāina ʻo ʻAmelika Latin e hoʻololi nei i kā lākou mau hoa, ʻeā?

Ua ʻike ʻoe, loaʻa iā ʻoe nā pōhaku lepo, ʻo ia hoʻi, he poloka waiwai o Brazil, Russia, India, Kina, a me ʻApelika Hema. ʻAe, ʻoi aku ka nui o nā ʻāina āu i makemake nui ai. [01:05:00] E hana ʻoihana me, me, uh, uh, me nā hui Kina a me nā hui Lūkini. ʻOiai ma mua, um, inā hiki iā ʻoe ke noʻonoʻo hou i ka Maiʻa, ʻo ka Banana Republics, he mau hui ʻAmelika.

E like me, uh, ua holo nui ka United Food Company i kahi ʻāina, ʻike ʻoe, ma ʻAmelika Hui Pū ʻIa a me nā mea ʻē aʻe. A ʻike ʻo ia e pili ana, ʻike ʻo ia e pili ana. No laila, ʻo ka, uh, ka hopohopo ma ʻAmelika Latina ua pololei, no ka mea, ke ʻike nei mākou i ka haki ʻana i ka ʻōnaehana honua, ke ʻike nei mākou i ka haki ʻana o ke kapikala aupuni ʻAmelika, uh, ma laila, ʻoi aku ka nui o nā ʻano like ʻole a me nā poloka a me nā mea a pau e like me ia, ʻo ia ka hopena, uh, ʻo ka US aggression, e ʻike ʻoe, e hoʻi hou mai i Latin America, ʻike ʻoe, e hoʻāʻo e koi hou i ka mana ma Latin America, pololei.

A i ʻole ʻaʻole hou, akā e pāpālua i lalo a me ka mana ma Latin America. ʻEā, he aha kou manaʻo e pili ana i ia mea a pehea ʻoe i loko, i loko o ke kumu, ʻōlelo ʻoe, pehea ka, ka [01:06:00] anti-war a i ʻole ka anti, uh, mea hoʻomalu maluhia, uh, pono e pane mai nā pilikia.

i kēia, ʻike ʻoe, i kāna mea e ʻōlelo nei a, a me ka mea i manaʻo ʻia e hiki mai ana.

Anna: ʻAe. ʻO koʻu manaʻo, ʻo ka mea āu e kamaʻilio nei ʻo ka hoʻokūkū hoʻokele waiwai ma waena o nā mana imperialist e hoʻokaʻawale hou i ka honua. A, uh, ʻaʻole ia, ʻaʻole ia he kaʻina maluhia, a ʻaʻole wau i manaʻo, ʻike ʻoe, ʻo ka mana o kekahi o nā mana imperialist i loko, ma Latin America he mea maikaʻi loa ia no ka poʻe ma laila. No laila, he nīnau maoli kēia no ka hoʻopaʻa ʻana i ke kolu, ke kolu o ke ala, ʻaʻole e hoʻemi i nā mea i nā mea ʻelua o ka liʻiliʻi, a i ʻole ka mea ʻino liʻiliʻi. Um, a ke manaʻo nei au, e, ma ke ʻano o ka pehea. Hiki i ka neʻe kaua kaua ke pane. ʻO koʻu manaʻo, he nui ka poʻe mai Latin America i loko o US, ʻo ia, manaʻo wau ua ʻike, ʻoiaʻiʻo ka hana ʻino a ka US i hana ai ma nā wahi he nui a hoʻomau i ka pāʻani.[01:07:00]

Uh, a manaʻo wau he nui nā pilikia, ʻike ʻoe, no ka mea, ʻike ʻole kekahi poʻe, ʻike ʻoe, ʻaʻole makemake lākou e ʻōlelo inā ʻaʻole palapala, kēlā ʻano mea. Akā, manaʻo wau he nui ka poʻe mai kēlā mau kaiāulu, ʻae, maikaʻi loa ke hoʻoneʻe iā lākou a hana i nā loulou me lākou. ʻAe, ʻae, manaʻo wau ʻo ka mea nui o ka hōʻike ʻana i nā ʻoihana o ka US uh, ma kekahi o nā wahi o ka honua, ʻoihana a i ʻole ka pūʻali koa ʻaʻole i ka makemake o ka poʻe i loko o mākou, ʻo ia, ʻo ia. Manaʻo wau, ʻo ka mea nui e pono ai mākou e hakakā me.

Greta: ʻAe, ʻae wau i nā mea a pau. A ke manaʻo nei au e hoʻokūpaʻa wale ana i ke koʻikoʻi o ka hoʻonohonoho honua a ʻo ia hoʻi, ke ʻano o ka manaʻo. World Beyond War ua lawe i kā mākou hana, ke ala a mākou i lawe ai i kā mākou hana, um, pono mākou e hoʻoikaika i nā poʻe mai nā kihi a pau o ka honua a loaʻa ka lokahi honua e hōʻike ai, ʻo ka mīkini kaua ma kekahi wahi o ka honua. [01:08:00] ʻaʻole ia he mea maikaʻi, um, mai kekahi ʻāina.

E like me kāu i ʻōlelo ai, ʻaʻole mākou makemake e pani i ka US imperialism a me ka US War machine me nā mīkini kaua ʻē aʻe. A no laila, ʻo nā pilikia a mākou e kamaʻilio nei, ʻo kēia ʻano nui o ka hoʻololi paradigmatic mai ke ʻano o mākou, ke ʻano o ke ʻano o ko mākou kaiāulu i kēia manawa i kahi ʻoi aku, i koʻu manaʻo, ʻo ia ka pahuhopu. ʻoi aku ka nui o ke kaiāulu kūloko i hiki ke hoʻokō pono iā ia iho ma ka pae kaiaulu a kūloko paha.

ʻAe, a ke manaʻo nei au, ʻo ka hihiʻo, uh, ka nui o mākou e kamaʻilio nei he ʻano dialectic kūloko honua kahi i loaʻa ai iā mākou ka mana kūʻokoʻa ma ka pae kūloko, ʻoi aku, ʻike ʻoe, ka hana ʻana i kā mākou waiwai ponoʻī. Akā, ke noho nei mākou i kahi honua honua kahi e hiki ai iā mākou ke loaʻa kahi ʻano like me ka UN a i ʻole kahi hoʻololi hou o ka un a i ʻole kekahi mau hiʻohiʻona ʻē aʻe, kēlā honua ma waho o kahi e kamaʻilio ai e like me ke kumukānāwai honua a i ʻole ka Earth Federation. ʻAe, no laila pono mākou e hana ma ke ʻano he honua

kaiaulu. ʻAʻole hiki iā mākou ke haʻalele wale, akā pono mākou e ʻimi i kahi ala maikaʻi aʻe e loaʻa ai kēia kaiāulu honua a laila e loaʻa hou ka ʻoihana kūloko. A e hoʻohui wale wau ʻaʻole mākou āpau ma mua o nā huaʻōlelo i kēia manawa e ʻimi nei i kahi mea hoʻonohonoho Latin America. No laila, pili pono kēia kamaʻilio ʻana. Ke hoʻāʻo nei mākou e hoʻonui i kēlā ʻāina a hāʻawi i ke kākoʻo hoʻonohonoho hou aʻe i kēlā māhele.

Shiloh: ʻO wau wale nō, um, Eia hou, ʻike ʻoe, ʻo kēia, ka imperialism wahine koʻikoʻi a mākou e ʻike ai, he wahine ʻehā hōkū nui e kamaʻilio ana e pili ana, ʻo ka pūʻali koa ʻoihana. Hoʻomanaʻo mau wau i ka ʻōlelo a Mark Lamont Hill e like me, ʻaʻohe hoaaloha o nā aupuni, he makemake ko lākou.

A manaʻo wau, um, ua hoʻopā kēlā me kēia o ʻoukou i kēlā me kēia, um, hou, a mahalo nui wau iā ʻAe. ʻO ke kamaʻilio a me ka manawa.

Jovanni: E hoʻohui wale, e hoʻohui i kēlā, kēlā clip, um, a me ka hoʻonohonoho ʻāʻī, pololei? No laila, ʻike wau ua hoʻomanaʻo ʻoe, um, i ka wā Trump a ʻo ʻoe, [01:10:00] a ke kamaʻilio nei ʻoe e pili ana i ka, uh, uh, nā malihini a me nā mea ʻē aʻe ma ʻAmelika Hui Pū ʻIa, pono ʻoe e noʻonoʻo i kēlā. ʻO lākou, he poʻe maoli nō hoʻi lākou, ʻike ʻoe, ua hui pū lākou me ka imperialism a, a ke noʻonoʻo nei au e pili ana i South Florida. Um, maopopo iā ʻoe, ma hea lākou, ma hea. ʻOi aku ka paʻakikī ma Cuba, ʻoi aku ka kaulana āu i loko, ma South Florida. Akau. ʻĀ, loaʻa iā ʻoe ka, uh, loaʻa iā ʻoe ka Cuban a me Venezuela a me ka Asper ma laila. Um, ma ka Trump, ʻaʻole wau ʻike inā ʻoe, inā ʻoe e hoʻomanaʻo i kēia, uh, um, ʻike ʻoe, mai 17 a 18, mai, mai 20 17, 20 a 18, pololei.

ʻO ka, ʻo ka hoʻopaʻi koʻikoʻi loa ma Venezuela, ua hana ʻo Trump, um, e like me ka United Nations, pololei. ʻAe, ua pepehi nui ʻia ma kahi o 40,000 Venezuelans. Akau. Me na tausani Venezuela. A ʻo kēlā ʻae, ua haki ka ʻae. ʻIke ʻoe, ua haki, ʻo ia ka mea nui, pololei. Ua haki ʻia ma ka hema a me ka pilina hema i ka wā, uh, Iran, no ka laʻana, hoʻouna i nā tankers, uh, meaʻai a me nā mea a pau, um, i [01:11:00] Venezuela, hoʻoweliweli ʻo Trump me ka hoʻohana ʻana i ka US Navy e hoʻopaʻa i kēlā mau pahu. . No laila, ua hoʻouna aku ke aupuni Iranian. ʻAe, me kēlā mau pahu pahu meaʻai a me nā lāʻau lapaʻau a me nā mea like. A laila, naval, uh, Iran, nā moku moana e hele pū me lākou. No laila ua pau lākou, hele mai lākou i Venezuela, ʻeā? A ma hope o kēlā, loaʻa iā mākou ke kākoʻo Lūkini. Kākoʻo Raso, nui nā meaʻai, uh, kākoʻo nui ʻo Kina, nui nā meaʻai, a me nā mea a pau.

Ma muli o ka hoʻopaʻi, ka, ka, ka hoʻoweliweli o ka hoʻopaʻi ʻana inā ʻoe e uhaki i ka hoʻopaʻi, e ʻae pū ʻia ʻoe. ʻIke ʻoe, no laila ʻaʻohe ʻāina āpau, ʻike ʻoe, makaʻu i ke kākoʻo maoli ʻana, uh, Venezuela. Lawe mākou, lawe

ʻO ka, ka hana a Iran, ukali ʻia e Russia, a ukali ʻia e Kina e uhaʻi i kēlā mau hoʻopaʻi.

ʻEā, ʻae, pēlā, kēia, kēia, kēia, kēia, kēia, kēia hoʻonohonoho hou ʻana o, o ka honua a kākou e ʻike nei i kēia manawa, ka honua a kākou e ʻike nei i kēia manawa, e like me, uh, uh, ʻOka nui e ʻōlelo nei, um, cuz, uh, the s also, uh, push, push, um, Venezuela to be [01:12:00] more self-sufficient in the food stuff. Ke ulu nei i kā lākou mau mea ponoʻī. A ua ʻike au ma Cuba nō hoʻi i koʻu hele ʻana i Cuba, Texas, i Cuba, ʻo Cuban Sanchez i ka makahiki 1960. No laila ua hoʻoikaika, ua koi iā lākou e ulu i kā lākou meaʻai, um, ma ka mākeke. ʻAe, e ʻike i kou manaʻo ma ia mea. A hiki iā mākou ke pani ma hope o kēlā.

Greta: ʻO koʻu manaʻo, manaʻo wau e pili ana nā mea a pau āu i ʻōlelo ai i nā mea āpau a mākou e kamaʻilio nei no kēia kamaʻilio holoʻokoʻa a um, ʻike ʻoe, ʻaʻole mākou i hoʻohana i ka huaʻōlelo, akā manaʻo wau i ka mea a mākou e kamaʻilio nei. e pili ana i ka neʻe ʻana i kahi honua multipolar ma kahi o kahi honua unipolar kahi ʻo US ma ke poʻo o nā mea āpau.

Anna: Manaʻo wau he ʻano ʻokoʻa koʻu ʻike ʻana iā ia. ʻAe, ʻaʻole wau, manaʻo wau, no laila, noʻu, he ʻano honua multipolar e hōʻike ana he pono i nā ʻāina i hoʻokaumaha ʻia e hui pū me kekahi a i ʻole, ʻike ʻoe, ka mana o waho imperialist.

Um, a ʻo wau. Manaʻo wau aia, ma ka ʻōlelo maʻamau, kahi kolu, ala ʻekolu [01:13:00] kūʻokoʻa. A manaʻo wau he mea nui ka hana ʻana i kēlā, um, a me ke kākoʻo ʻana i kēlā mau hana kūʻokoʻa, uh, a puni ka honua. A, a no laila, um, no ka mea, ʻaʻole wau ʻike, ʻike ʻoe, Kina a me Rusia a me kā lākou ʻano hoʻoikaika i loko, um, a puni ka honua e like me ka maikaʻi, like me, ʻaʻole wau ʻike i ka mana o ka US. uh, ma ke ao holoʻokoʻa he maikaʻi.

Manaʻo wau e kūʻai wale ana lākou no ka mana no nā mākeke, uh, no ka loaʻa kālā a me ka hoʻohana ʻana i nā poʻe ma kēia mau ʻāina like ʻole. No laila, ʻokoʻa paha kā mākou ʻike ʻana, akā manaʻo wau ua ʻae like mākou i ka nui, uh, pū kekahi. A, a manaʻo wau

Greta: ʻo ia, Hmm. ʻAe, he loiloi hoihoi. ʻAʻole wau e kākoʻo ana i ka imperialism mai kahi ʻāina ʻē aʻe, ʻike ʻoe, e like me kaʻu i ʻaelike ai me ʻoe ma mua, ʻaʻole wau e ʻōlelo nei e hoʻololi mākou, ʻike ʻoe, ʻo mākou imperialism me ka imperialism Kina a i ʻole kekahi mea.

No laila, ʻae, manaʻo wau ʻo ia, manaʻo wau ma ke ʻano he ʻae mākou kekahi i kekahi. Malia paha ʻo ia wale nō ka ʻokoʻa o nā huaʻōlelo, akā ʻAe, wau, makemake wau e lohe hou aku e pili ana i kāu mea nānā. ʻAʻole au i lohe i ka hoʻohewa ʻana o ka honua multipolar e hōʻike ana, ʻike ʻoe, ʻaʻole wau i manaʻo e hōʻike, e like me ke kākoʻo ʻana i ka imperialism mai nā ʻāina ʻē aʻe.

Anna: ʻAe. A ʻo wau, kala wau inā ʻo wau, ʻaʻole wau e hoʻāʻo e hoʻokomo i nā huaʻōlelo i kou waha. ʻO ia wale nō, noʻu, ʻo ka honua multipolar, ʻike ʻoe, ka, ka hoʻokūkū ma waena, ʻē, nā mana like ʻole. No laila, ʻo koʻu manaʻo, makemake wau inā hiki iā ʻoe ke kamaʻilio hou aʻe i ke ʻano o ke ʻano, ka ʻokoʻa, um, no ka mea, ʻaʻole wau i manaʻo he pāʻani ʻoe.

Imperialism, akā ʻo wau wale nō, he aha ka ʻokoʻa a laila me

Greta: multipolar? ʻAe, manaʻo wau e hoʻohana wale ana wau i ka huaʻōlelo i kahi brushstroke ākea e manaʻo ʻaʻole hoʻokahi mana i loaʻa ka hegemony honua e like me ka US. No laila, ʻo ka manaʻo nui o ka multipolar, ʻike ʻoe, ua māhele ʻia ka mana ma nā ʻāina like ʻole a me nā wahi o ka honua.

A, um, manaʻo wau e hoʻohui wau i kaʻu mea i ʻōlelo ai ma mua, pehea world Beyond Warnā mea a mākou e kamaʻilio nei. ʻO ka pono no ka hoʻomaikaʻi ʻana [01:15:00] nā papa hana honua, nā ʻōnaehana hoʻomaikaʻi o ka hoʻokele honua. ʻAe, no laila ʻaʻole maopopo iaʻu ke ʻano kūpono o kēia kamaʻilio ʻana, akā manaʻo wau ua pili ia i ke ʻano o ia mea e like me kā mākou e kamaʻilio nei e pili ana i ke ʻano o ka wāwahi ʻana i ka mana, pono mākou e hoʻoponopono i kā mākou inter international. nā hui.

E like me kaʻu i ʻōlelo ai, ʻike ʻoe, he hewa loa ka UN a ʻo ia kahi mea a mākou e hele ai World Beyond Warka punaewele. No laila inā e hoʻoponopono a hoʻopau paha i ka UN a me ka hana ʻana i kahi ʻano like ʻole e like me ka Earth Federation a i ʻole he nui nā hiʻohiʻona like ʻole a nā kānaka i manaʻo ai. ʻAe, ʻae, manaʻo wau ʻo ka mea nui e pono ai mākou i ka hoʻokele honua ʻoi aku ka maikaʻi a pono mākou e hoʻokaʻawale i nā kikowaena o ka mana e loaʻa hou aku ka mana i ka honua.

ʻO koʻu manaʻo

ʻO Jovanni: he wahi maikaʻi ia e hoʻomaha ai. Ke hoʻomau nei ke kamaʻilio ʻana. ʻEā, he ʻōlelo pani? Um, ma mua o ka pau ʻana?

E hoʻomaka wau me Anna.

Anna: ʻAe, manaʻo wau. E hoʻopau wale wau i ka ʻoiaʻiʻo ʻo ka hapa nui o ka poʻe, ka hapa nui o ka poʻe i loko o mākou, uh, ʻaʻole [01:16:00] hoihoi, ʻē, ʻē, me, uh, US imperialism. A he kumu no lākou e kūʻē ai. A ke manaʻo nei au, ʻo kā mākou hana, ʻo ka hui pū ʻana me kēlā poʻe, e hui pū me kēlā poʻe, a, i ka hopena, manaʻo wau, ʻike ʻoe, ʻo ka hoihoi o ka papa hana e alakaʻi maoli i ke ʻano o ka holo ʻana o ka ʻāina.

Greta: Kupaianaha. ʻAe, nani nō ke kamaʻilio ʻana me ʻoukou a pau i kēia lā. Mahalo iā ʻoe no kou kono ʻana iaʻu e komo i kēia kūkākūkā. A maopopo he mau pilikia nui kēia a mākou e hakakā nei. ʻAe, a paipai au i ka poʻe e hele i kā mākou pūnaewele, world Beyond word.org.

Inā makemake ʻoe e aʻo hou aʻe e pili ana i kā mākou hana a komo,

Shiloh: ʻAe, ʻae, mahalo wale nō wau no ke kamaʻilio ʻana a me nā mea a ʻoukou i lawe mai ai i kēia lā. ʻAe, maikaʻi loa. ʻO wau, ʻoi aku ka hopena ma laila, like, uh, kūkākūkā a puni e like me nā manaʻo like ʻole paha, he laʻana maikaʻi loa kēlā e like me pehea [01:17:00] e, pehea e kamaʻilio ai, e like me ke kamaʻilio generative kahi. ʻimi maoli ʻoe a nīnau i nā nīnau a, um, ʻaʻole hoʻokaʻawale, like, ʻe, ʻaʻole mākou, ʻaʻole mākou e hui maka i kahi maka.

Me he mea lā, ʻae, e, e ʻike ʻoe, e kūkākūkā kāua i kāu manaʻo o kēia huaʻōlelo a, uh, hoʻokaʻawale a ʻo ia, nani maoli kēlā. A ʻo wau, ʻo wau wale nō, ʻae. Ma ke ʻano holoʻokoʻa, mahalo wale i kēlā me kēia o ʻoukou, i ka hana āu e hana nei a me ka manawa āu i hāʻawi mai ai iā mākou.

Anna: ʻAe. Ua ʻōlelo maikaʻi ʻia, Silo. Makemake au e ʻōlelo, ʻike ʻoe, ʻOiaʻiʻo, hauʻoli loa i ka hele ʻana i kēia kamaʻilio.

Manaʻo wau ua ʻike ʻoe i kāu mea e hana nei. He mea kupaianaha ʻo Greta Jovanni Shiloh a, um, hauʻoli nui e noho i ka pilina a hoʻomau, uh, neʻe i ka hakakā i mua. No laila, ʻae. Mahalo hou.

Jovanni: ʻOiaʻiʻo. ʻOiaʻiʻo. A mahalo no kou hui pū ʻana me mākou, e, ma ʻaneʻi ma Fortress On The Hill. Um, a, uh, manaʻolana e hoʻomau kēia kamaʻilio ʻana.

Henri: Paʻa ke kālā i kēia mau lā no ka poʻe a pau, ʻoi aku hoʻi i ka malu o COVID, ʻo ka peni peni e hana ai i loko o ka mahina [01:18:00] ʻaʻole hāʻawi pinepine i ka poʻe i ke kālā e hāʻawi i kahi mea hana a lākou e kākoʻo ai. No laila ke manaʻo nei mākou ʻo ia ka hanohano kiʻekiʻe loa e kōkua mai nā poʻe iā mākou e hoʻopukapuka kālā i ka podcast i kēlā me kēia kālā i hiki iā lākou. ʻO Patreon ka wahi nui e hana ai i kēlā. A no ka poʻe kākoʻo hiki ke hāʻawi i $10 i ka mahina a ʻoi aku paha, e helu ʻia lākou ma ʻaneʻi ma ke ʻano he mea hana hanohano. E like me kēia poʻe maikaʻi. ʻO Fahim's Everyone Dream, James O'Barr, James Higgins, Eric Phillips, Paul Appel,, Julie Dupree, Thomas Benson, Janet Hanson, Daniel Fleming, Michael Karen, Ren jacob, Rick Coffey, Scott Spaulding, spooky Tooth a me ka podcast status quo . Eia naʻe, inā ʻaʻole ʻo Patreon kou ʻano, [01:19:00] hiki iā ʻoe ke hāʻawi pololei ma o PayPal ma PayPal dot me forward slash Fortress on hill, a i ʻole e ʻoluʻolu e nānā i kā mākou hale kūʻai ma.

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