by ʻO ka Democracy Nei, Kepakemapa 1, 2021
Ke wikiō piha ma aneʻi: https://www.democracynow.org/shows/2021/8/31?autostart=true
I ka hoʻopau ʻana o ʻAmelika Hui Pū ʻIa i kona pūʻali koa i Afghanistan ma hope o 20 mau makahiki o ka noho ʻana a me ke kaua, ua kuhi nā Kālā ʻo War of War ua ʻoi aku ma kahi o $ 2.2 trillion ma Afghanistan a me Pakistan, a ma ka helu hoʻokahi, ua hala he 170,000 mau kānaka i ka wā o ke kaua ʻana i nā mea hope ʻelua. mau makahiki. ʻO Kathy Kelly, kahi mea hana maluhia i hele lōʻihi i Afghanistan i mau manawa he nui a hoʻonohonoho i ka hoʻolaha ʻo Ban Killer Drones, he mea nui ia e hoʻomau i ka nānā ʻana o ka honua i ka poʻe o Afghanistan. "ʻO nā kānaka āpau i ʻAmelika Hui Pū ʻIa a me kēlā me kēia ʻāina i komo mai ai a noho ma Afghanistan e pono e hana hou," wahi a Kelly. "ʻAʻole wale ka reparations kālā no ka luku weliweli i hoʻokumu ʻia, akā e kamaʻilio pū kekahi… i nā ʻōnaehana o ke kaua e pono e waiho ʻia a hoʻopau ʻia."
AMY GOODMAN: ʻo kēia ʻO ka Democracy Nei!, democracynow.org, ʻO ke kaua a me ka'ōlelo hoʻomalu. ʻO wau ʻo Amy Goodman, me Juan González.
Ua haʻalele aku ka pūʻali koa US a me nā pūʻali diplomas mai Afghanistan ma mua o ke aumoe manawa kūloko ma Kabul i ka pō Pōʻakahi. ʻOiai ʻo ka neʻe e wehewehe ʻia nei ma ke ʻano he hopena o ke kaua lōʻihi loa i ka mōʻaukala US, haʻi kekahi i ke kaua ʻaʻole paha i pau. Ma ka Lāpule, ua kū mai ke kākau ʻōlelo ʻo Tony Blinken E hālāwai me ka Press a kūkākūkā i nā hiki o US e hoʻomau i ka hoʻouka kaua iā Afghanistan ma hope o ka haʻalele ʻana o nā pūʻali koa.
KAIKAI OF MOKU'ĀINA ANTONY BLINKEN: Loaʻa iā mākou ka hiki a puni ka honua, e like me Afghanistan, e lawe - e ʻike a lawe i nā mea kūʻē i nā mea hoʻoweliweli e makemake e hana ʻino iā mākou. A e like me kāu e ʻike ai, ma nā ʻāina ma hope o ka ʻāina, e like me nā wahi e like me Yemen, e like me Somalia, nā ʻāpana nui o Suria, Libya, nā wahi i loaʻa ʻole ai nā kāmaʻa ma ka honua i kēlā me kēia ʻano o ka hele mau ʻana, hiki iā mākou ke hele ma hope. ka poʻe e hoʻāʻo nei e hana ʻino iā mākou. E mālama mākou i kēlā mana i Afghanistan.
AMY GOODMAN: Hoʻi i ʻApelila, The New York Times hoike ke hilinaʻi nei ʻo ʻAmelika Hui Pū ʻIa i kahi, puanaʻī, "hui malu ʻana o nā pūʻali koa hana kūikawā kūikawā, nā mea hana Pentagon a me nā mea ʻike huna" ma loko o Afghanistan. Maopopo ʻole pehea i loli ai kēia mau hoʻolālā ma hope o ka lawe ʻana o Taliban.
No ka mea hou aku, ua hui pū ʻia mākou ma Kikako e ka mea hoʻoulu maluhia ʻo Kathy Kelly. Koho ʻia ʻo ia no ka Nobel Peace Prize ma mau a mau. Ua hele pinepine ʻo ia i Afghanistan.
Kathy, aloha mai ʻoe ʻO ka Democracy Nei! Hiki iā ʻoe ke hoʻomaka ma ka pane ʻana i ka mea i mahalo ʻia ma ka nūpepa US ʻoiai ua hala ke kaua lōʻihi loa i ka mōʻaukala US?
KATHIE KELIE: ʻĀ, ua kākau ʻo Ann Jones i kahi puke i kuleana ʻia ʻAʻole Kaua ke Kaua i ka wā e pau ai. ʻOiaʻiʻo, no ka poʻe ma Afghanistan, ka mea i hoʻopilikia ʻia e kēia kaua, e nā kūlana o ka maloʻo weliweli no ʻelua mau makahiki, kahi kolu o ka nalu o Covid, nā ʻoihana waiwai weliweli, ke ʻeha mau nei lākou i ka nui.
A ke manaʻo nei au, he hōʻailona kēlā - kēia mau drone hou loa, ʻaʻole i haʻalele ʻo ʻAmelika Hui Pū ʻIa i kona manaʻo e hoʻomau i ka hoʻohana ʻana i ka mea a lākou i kapa ai he ikaika a me ka pololei, akā he aha ʻo Daniel Hale, ka mea i paʻa i ka hale paʻahao i kēia manawa. , ua hōʻike ʻo 90% o ka manawa ʻaʻole i ku i ka poʻe i manaʻo ʻia e hōʻeha. A e hoʻonui kēia i nā makemake no ka hoʻopaʻi a me ka hoʻopaʻi a me ka hoʻokahe koko.
ʻO IOHN ʻO GONZÁLEZ: A, e Kathy, ua makemake wau e nīnau iā ʻoe, e pili ana i kēia - ke manaʻo nei ʻoe e huki nā kānaka ʻAmelika i nā haʻawina maikaʻi loa mai kēia kūlana weliweli ma Afghanistan, kēia pio maopopo no ʻAmelika Hui Pū ʻIa a me kāna hana? Ma hope o kā mākou ʻike ʻana i kēia manawa no 70 mau makahiki o ka pūʻali koa US i hoʻohana ʻia i kēia mau ʻoihana, mai Korea a Vietnam i Libya i - nā Balkans ka mea wale nō i hiki i ka US ke ʻano o ka hoʻopiʻi he lanakila. Ua loaʻa kahi pōpilikia ma hope o ka pōpilikia, i kēia manawa ʻo Afghanistan. He aha ka haʻawina āu e manaʻo ai e aʻo ʻia e ko mākou lehulehu mai kēia mau hana weliweli?
KATHIE KELIE: ʻĀ, e Juan, maopopo iā ʻoe, manaʻo wau pili nā huaʻōlelo a ʻAberahama Heschel: hewa kekahi; pau i ke kuleana. Manaʻo wau ʻo nā poʻe āpau o ʻAmelika Hui Pū ʻIa a me kēlā me kēia ʻāina i komo a kūʻē iā Afghanistan pono e hana i nā reparations a ʻimi maoli i kēlā, ʻaʻole wale no ka hoʻoponopono kālā ʻana no ka luku weliweli i hoʻokumu ʻia, akā no ka hoʻoponopono pū ʻana i nā ʻōnaehana āu i haʻi mua ai i pāʻani. ma waho o ka ʻāina ma hope o ka ʻāina, nā ʻōnaehana o ke kaua e pono ke waiho ʻia a hoʻopau ʻia. ʻO kēia ka haʻawina aʻu e manaʻo ai he pono e aʻo ka poʻe US. Akā, maopopo iā ʻoe, ʻoi aku ka nui o ka uhi ʻana i loko o nā pule ʻelua i hala e nā pāpāho nui o Afghanistan ma mua o nā makahiki he 20 i hala, a no laila ʻaʻole i hoʻokau ʻia ka poʻe e ka pāpāho e pili ana i ka hoʻomaopopo ʻana i nā hopena o kā mākou kaua.
AMY GOODMAN: ʻAʻole ʻoe i ka ʻoihana, e Kathy, o ka hoʻomaikaʻi ʻana i nā pelekikena o ʻAmelika i ka wā o ke kaua. A ʻo kēia kekahi pelekikena ʻo US ma hope o kekahi, ke manaʻo nei wau, no ka mea liʻiliʻi loa. Manaʻo ʻoe he koa politika kā Biden i ka huki ʻana, i ka nui i loaʻa iā lākou, i ka lehulehu, ka pūʻali koa US hope loa, ke kiʻi i hoʻouna ʻia e ka Pentagon, e ka lehulehu e kiʻi ana i ka mea lawe halihali hope loa a haʻalele?
KATHIE KELIE: Manaʻo wau ua ʻōlelo ʻo Pelekikena Biden e hele kūʻē nō hoʻi ʻo ia i ke noi ʻana a ka Pūʻali Koa ʻAmelika Hui Pū ʻIa no $ 10 biliona e hiki ai i nā hoʻouka kaua ʻana, ʻo ia nō ke ʻano koa wiwo ʻole e pono ai mākou e ʻike. Pono mākou i kahi pelekikena e kū aʻe i nā ʻoihana kuʻikahi pūʻali koa e hana i mau piliona ma ke kūʻai aku ʻana i kā lākou mea kaua, a ʻōlelo, "Ua pau mākou me ia." ʻO ia ke ʻano o ke koa politika e pono ai.
AMY GOODMAN: A ʻo nā hoʻouka ākea, no ka poʻe ʻike ʻole i kēia huaʻōlelo, he aha ke ʻano, pehea ka hoʻonohonoho ʻana o ka US e hoʻouka iā Afghanistan i kēia manawa mai waho?
KATHIE KELIE: ʻĀ, ʻo ka $ 10 biliona a ka US Air Force i noi ai e hele i ka mālama ʻana i ka drone surveillance a me ka hoʻouka kaua drone nona ka mana a me nā mana mokulele i Kuwait, ma United Arab Emirates, ma Qatar a ma kahi mokulele a ma waena o ka moana. A no laila, hiki i kēia mea ke hiki i ka United States ke hoʻomau i ka hoʻouka kaua ʻana, pinepine ka poʻe ʻaʻole ia nā mea i manaʻo ʻia e hōʻino ʻia, a e ʻōlelo pū hoʻi i kēlā me kēia ʻāina i ka ʻāina, "Eia nō mākou ma aneʻi."
AMY GOODMAN: Mahalo nui mākou iā ʻoe, e Kathy, no ka mea me ʻoe pū me mākou. He ʻumi kekona ma ka reparations. He aha ke ʻano, ke ʻōlelo ʻoe ua ʻaiʻē ʻo US i nā poʻe o Afghanistan?
KATHIE KELIE: ʻO kahi kālā nui i waiho ʻia e ka US a me nā NATO nā ʻāina i loko o kahi waihona escrow, ʻaʻole ia ma lalo o ke alakaʻi a i ʻole ka hoʻokaʻawale ʻana o ʻAmelika Hui Pū ʻIa. Ua hōʻike mua ʻo ʻAmelika Hui Pū ʻIa ʻaʻole hiki iā ia ke hana i kēlā me ka ʻole o ka palaho a me ka holo pono ʻole. Akā manaʻo wau pono mākou e nānā i ka UN a me nā hui i loaʻa ka inoa no ka hiki ke kōkua maoli i ka poʻe ma Afghanistan, a laila reparations ma o ka hoʻopau ʻana i ka ʻōnaehana kaua.
AMY GOODMAN: ʻO Kathy Kelly, kahi mea hana maluhia ma mua loa a kahi mea kākau, kekahi o nā lālā hoʻokumu o Leo i ka Waoakua, a ʻo Leo no Creative Nonviolence, a me ka mea hui pū o ke kaua ʻo Ban Killer Drones a he lālā o ka World Beyond War. Ua huakaʻi ʻo ia i Afghanistan ma kahi o 30 mau manawa.
ʻO ka mea aʻe, ʻo New Orleans i ka pouli ma hope o ka Hurricane Ida. Noho me mākou.
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AMY GOODMAN: "Song for George" na Mat Callahan lāua ʻo Yvonne Moore. ʻO kēia ka lā hope loa o ʻAukake ʻAukake e hoʻomanaʻo i nā koa kūʻokoʻa ʻeleʻele. A ʻo kēia mahina ke 50 mau makahiki mai ka pepehi ʻia ʻana o ka mea hoʻouluulu a me ka paʻahao ʻo George Jackson. Ua loaʻa i ka Archives Freedom hoolaha kahi papa inoa o nā puke 99 i loaʻa iā George Jackson i loko o kāna keʻena.
