Na John Scales Avery, December 14, 2018
Ua hoʻonohonohoʻia he mau ninaninau e pili ana i nā poʻe koʻikoʻi i ka noho maluhia ma ka nūpepaʻIke Pūnaewele. Ma waho o ka paʻiʻiaʻana i loko o nā Kumukānāwai, e paʻiʻia ka huahana e like me he puke. ʻO kēia hui kūkākūkā me ka Kauka David Krieger ma kēia māhele.
David Krieger, Ph.D. ʻo ia ka mea nāna i hoʻokumu a me ka pelekikena o ka Nuclear Age Peace Foundation. Ma keʻano o kona alakaʻi ākea nui e ho'āʻo ana i ka hoʻonui i ka noho maluhia honua,ʻo ia ka mea nāna i hoʻokumu a me he lālā o ka Council Council of Abolition 2000, ka luna kūkā ma ka Council Council Future, aʻo ia ka noho o ke Kōmike Hoʻokele o ka International Network of Engineers. Nā Kāpekema no ka Pane Honua. Loaʻa iā ia kahi BA ma ka Psychology a mālama iā MA a me Ph.D. i nā kekelē i loko o ka Science Politics mai ke Kulanui o Hawaiʻi me he JD mai ke Kulanuiʻo Law Barbara; ua lawelaweʻo ia no nā makahiki 20 i luna kānāwai pro tem no nā Kula'Alepa a me nā Kula Nui o Santa Barbara. ʻO Kauka Krieger ka mea kākau i nā puke a me nā noiʻi no ka maluhia ma ka Nuclear Age. Ua kākau a ua hoʻoponoponoʻiaʻo ia ma mua o nā puke 20 a me nā haneli he nui a me nā puke mokuna. ʻO ia ka mea e loaʻa ana i nā makana a me nā hanohano, e like me ka OMNI Pūnaewele no ka Peace, Justice and Ecology Peace Writing Writing for Poetry (2010). Loaʻa iā ia he pūʻulu hou o nā poem i pili ʻO Wake Up. No kipa hou aku i ka Ka Nuclear Age Hauʻoli Foundation paena: www.wagingpeace.org.
John: Ua mahalo lōʻihi wau i kāu hana hoʻolaʻa a heroic i ke ola lōʻihi no ka hoʻopau loa ʻana o nā mea kaua nukelea. Ua hana ʻoe iaʻu i ka hanohano nui o ka hoʻolilo ʻana i kumu aʻoaʻo no ka Nuclear Age Peace Foundation (NAPF). ʻO ʻoe ka mea hoʻokumu a me ka Pelekikena o ka NAPF. Hiki iā ʻoe ke haʻi iki iā mākou e pili ana i kou ʻohana, a i kou ola mua a me kāu aʻo ʻana? He aha nā alapiʻi i alakaʻi iā ʻoe e lilo i hoʻokahi o nā mea kākoʻo kaulana loa o ka honua i ka hoʻopau loa ʻana o nā mea kaua nukelea?
David: John, ua hoʻohanohano ʻoe iā mākou ma ke lilo i aʻoaʻo ma ka Nuclear Age Peace Foundation. ʻO ʻoe kekahi o ka poʻe ʻike nui loa aʻu e ʻike ai ma ka makaʻu o nā nukelea a me nā ʻenehana ʻē aʻe i ka wā e hiki mai ana o ke ola ma kā mākou honua, a ua kākau maikaʻi ʻoe e pili ana i kēia mau hoʻoweliweli.
E pili ana i koʻu ʻohana, ka wā mua a me ke aʻo ʻana, hānau ʻia wau i ʻekolu mau makahiki ma mua o ka luku ʻia ʻana o nā kūlanakauhale ʻo Hiroshima a me Nagasaki e nā mea kaua nukelea. He pediatric koʻu makuakāne, a ʻo koʻu makuahine he wahine ʻohana a me ka manawaleʻa i ka haukapila. He maluhia loa lāua ʻelua, a hōʻole ʻole lāua i ka militarism me ka ʻole. E wehewehe wau i koʻu mau makahiki mua me he mea ʻole ʻole. Ua hele au i ke Kulanui ʻo Occidental, kahi i loaʻa ai iaʻu kahi ʻike liberal maikaʻi maikaʻi. Ma hope o ke puka ʻana mai Occidental, ua kipa aku wau iā Iapana, a ua ala au i ka ʻike ʻana i ka luku i hāʻawi ʻia e Hiroshima lāua ʻo Nagasaki. Ua ʻike wau i ka US, ua nānā mākou i kēia mau pōkā mai luna mai o ka ʻāhu mushroom e like me nā hana ʻenehana, ʻoiai ma Iapana ua ʻike ʻia nā pōkā ma lalo o ke ao mushroom ma ke ʻano he hanana weliweli o ka luku nui ʻole ʻia.
Ma hope o koʻu hoʻi ʻana mai Iāpana, ua hele au i ke kula puka kula ma ke Kulanui o Hawaii a loaʻa ka Ph.D. i ka ʻepekema politika. Ua wae ʻia wau i ka pūʻali koa, akā ua hiki ke komo i nā mālama me ke ʻano he ala ʻokoʻa e hoʻokō ai i kaʻu kuleana koa. Minamina, ua kāhea ʻia wau ma hope i ka hana hana. I ka pūʻali koa, hōʻole au i nā kauoha no Vietnam a waiho ʻia no ke kūlana kūʻē ʻole i ka ʻepekema. Ua manaʻoʻiʻo wau ʻo ke kaua Vietnam he kaua kū ʻole i ke kānāwai a me ka lawehala ʻole, a makemake ʻole wau ma ke ʻano he lunamanaʻo e lawelawe ma laila. Ua lawe wau i kaʻu hihia i ka ʻaha pekelala a ua hoʻokuʻu ʻia me ka hanohano mai ka pūʻali koa. ʻO koʻu mau ʻike ma Iāpana a ma ka US Army i kōkua i ke ʻano o koʻu mau manaʻo e pili ana i ka maluhia a me nā mea kaua nukelea. Ua manaʻoʻiʻo wau he mea nui ka maluhia o ka Nuclear Age a pono e hoʻopau ʻia nā mea kaua nukelea.
ʻO ka pilikino a me keʻano ola honua e hoʻoweliweliʻia e ka hopena o ka pale kaua hoʻopau hopena. Hiki iā ia ke hana ma o ka hana akamai a pilikino paha, aiʻole ma o ka hoʻouka kauaʻoleʻia o kahi kaua i hakakāʻia me nā mea hana maʻamau. Hiki paha iāʻoe ke haʻi aku i kekahi mea e pili ana i kēia pilikia nui?
Nui a hewahewa nā ala e hoʻomaka ai ke kaua nukelea. Makemake wau e kamaʻilio e pili ana i nā “M” ʻelima. ʻO kēia mau mea: hōʻino, huhū, kuhi hewa, helu hewa a me ka manipulate. I loko o kēia mau mea ʻelima, hiki ke pale ʻia ka hōʻino wale e ka deter Lawrence a me kēia ʻaʻohe mea maopopo. Akā ʻo ka pale nukelea (hoʻoweliweli i ka hoʻopaʻi hoʻopaʻi nukili) ʻaʻole ia e pili pono i ka huhū, kuhi hewa, kuhi hewa a i ʻole ka manipulate (hacking). E like me kāu e ʻōlelo ai, hiki i kekahi kaua i ka wā nukelea ke piʻi aʻe i kaua kaua nukelea. Manaʻo wau he kaua nukelea, no ka pehea e hoʻomaka ai, ke waiho nei i ka makaʻu nui loa i mua o ke kanaka, a hiki ke pale ʻia e ka hoʻopau ʻana o nā mea kaua nuklea, i hoʻokō ʻia ma o nā kūkākūkā ʻana i hoʻoilina ʻia, hōʻoia, hiki ʻole ke hoʻololi a aniani.
John: Hiki iāʻoe ke wehewehe i nā hopena o kahi kaua nukili ma luna o ke anana o ka ozone, ma nā mahana honua, a ma ka mahiʻai? E hiki anei i ke kauala kaua ke hoʻoulu i ka wī nui?
David: ʻO koʻu hoʻomaopopo he kaua nukelea ia e luku nui i ka ozone layer e ʻae ana i nā pae ultraviolet e piʻi i luna o ka honua. Hoʻopili ia, he kaua nukelea e hoʻohaʻahaʻa nui i nā mahana, e hoʻolei ana paha i ka honua i kahi Ice Ice hou. ʻO nā hopena o ke kaua nukelea i ka mahiʻai e māka ʻia loa. ʻ telllelo mai nā ʻepekema ʻepekema iā mākou ʻoiai he kaua liʻiliʻi nukeliu ma waena o India a me Pakistan kahi i hoʻohana ai kēlā me kēia ʻaoʻao i nā mea kaua nuklea he 50 ma nā kūlanakauhale o kēlā ʻaoʻao e waiho i ka soot i loko o ka stratosfer e pale ai i ka hoʻomālamalama ʻana o ka lā, e hoʻopōkole ai i nā kau e ulu nei, a alakaʻi i ka wī nui i kekahi mau biliona make kanaka. ʻO ke kaua nukelea nui e hoʻopuka i nā hopena ʻoi aku ka hewa, me ka hiki ke luku ʻia i ke ola paʻakikī loa ma ka honua.
John: Pehea e pili ana i ka hopena o ka hoʻokuʻuʻana i ka hopena? Hiki iāʻoe ke wehewehe i nā hopena o nā hōʻikeʻo Bikini ma luna o ka poʻe o Marshall Islands a me nā mokupuni'ē aʻe e pili ana?
David: ʻO ka hāʻule uila kekahi o nā mea weliweli ʻokoʻa o nā mea kaua nukelea. Ma waena o 1946 a me 1958, ua alakaʻi ka US 67 o kāna mau hoʻokolohua nukelea ma nā Mokupuni ʻo Marshall, me ka mana like o ka hoʻopahu ʻana i nā pōkā 1.6 Hiroshima i kēlā me kēia lā no ka manawa he ʻumikūmālua mau makahiki. Ma kēia mau hoʻāʻo, ua mālama ʻia he 23 ma ka Bikini Atoll ma nā mokupuni ʻo Marshall. ʻO kekahi o kēia mau hoʻāʻo i hoʻohaumia i nā mokupuni a me nā moku lawaiʻa he mau haneli mile ka mamao mai nā kahua hōʻike. Hoʻomaʻemaʻe ʻia kekahi mau mokupuni no ka hoʻi ʻole o nā kamaʻāina. Ua hana hilahila ka US i nā poʻe o ka Mākala ʻAilana i kū i ka hopena o ka hāʻule radioactive e like me nā puaʻa guinea, ke aʻo ʻana iā lākou e aʻo hou e pili ana i nā hopena o ka radiation i ke olakino kanaka.
John: Ua hui pū ka Nuclear Age Peace Foundation me nā mokupuni ʻo Marshall i ka hoʻopiʻi ʻana i nā lāhui āpau i kau inoa i ke Kuikahi Nonproliferation Nuclear a e loaʻa nei nā mea kaua nukelea no ka ʻaihue ʻana i ka ʻatikala VI o ka NPT. Hiki iā ʻoe ke wehewehe i ka mea i hana ʻia? Ua loaʻa i ke Kuhina Nui o ko Marshall Pae ʻĀina, ʻo Tony deBrum, ka Makana Ola Pono no kāna ʻāpana i ka hoʻopiʻi. Hiki iā ʻoe ke haʻi iā mākou i kekahi mea e pili ana i kēia?
David: Ua kūkākūkā ka Nuclear Age Peace Foundation me nā mokupuni ʻo Marshall e pili ana i kā lākou mau hoʻopiʻi heroic e kūʻē aku i nā ʻāina mea kaua ʻeiwa (US, Russia, UK, France, China, Israel, India, Pakistan, a me North Korea). ʻO nā hoʻopiʻi i ka ʻaha hoʻokolokolo kūwaho (ICJ) ma The Hague i kūʻē i nā ʻelima mua o kēia mau ʻāina no ko lākou hoʻokō ʻole ʻana i nā kuleana disarmament ma lalo o ka ʻatikala VI o ke Kuʻikahi Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) no ke kūkākūkā ʻana e hoʻopau ai i ka heihei nukelea. a loaʻa i ka disarmament nuklea. ʻO nā ʻāina ʻē aʻe ʻehā mau mea kaua nuklea, ʻaʻole kēlā mau ʻaoʻao i ka NPT, ua hoʻopiʻi ʻia no ka holo like ʻole o ke kūkā ʻana, akā ma lalo o ke kānāwai kūwaho hoʻi. Ua hoʻopiʻi ʻia ʻo US ma ka ʻaha pekelala o US.
ʻO nā ʻāina ʻeiwa, ʻo UK wale nō, ʻo India a me Pakistan ka mea i ʻae i ka mana koi o ka ICJ. I loko o kēia mau hihia ʻekolu i hoʻoholo ka ʻaha ʻaʻohe lawa o ka hoʻopaʻapaʻa ma waena o nā ʻaoʻao a ua hoʻokuʻu ʻia nā hihia me ka ʻole o ke ʻano o nā hoʻopiʻi. Ua kokoke loa nā balota o nā luna kānāwai 16 ma ka ICJ; i ka hihia o UK ua hoʻokaʻawale nā luna kānāwai i 8 a 8 a ua hoʻoholo ʻia ka hihia e ka koho balota o ka pelekikena o ka ʻAha, ʻo ia ka Farani. Ua hoʻokuʻu ʻia ka hihia ma ka ʻaha pekelala US ma mua o ka loaʻa ʻana i ka maikaʻi o kēia hihia. ʻO ka mokupuni ʻo Marshall wale nō ka ʻāina i ka honua i mākaukau e ʻaʻa i nā mokuʻāina ʻeiwa i loko o kēia mau hoʻokolokolo, a hana pēlā ma lalo o ke alakaʻi wiwo ʻole a Tony de Brum, ka mea i loaʻa nā makana he nui no kāna alakaʻi i kēia pilikia. He mea hanohano no mākou ka hana pū ʻana me ia ma kēia mau hoʻopiʻi. Minamina, ua hala ʻo Tony i 2017.
John: Ma ka lā Iulai 7, 2017, uaʻaeʻia e ka hui nui loa e ka Hui Hui Pū 'Ia o nā Aupuni Hui Pūʻali ma ka Pāpā o nā mea Nuclear Weapons (TPNW). He lanakila nui kēia ma ka hakakāʻana e kipaku aku i ke ao nei i ka hopena o ka makeʻana o ka hoʻonele kaua. Hiki iāʻoe ke haʻi mai iā mākou i kekahi mea e pili ana i ke kūlana o ka Treaty?
David: Aia ke kuikahi e hana nei i ka loaʻa ʻana o nā pūlima a me nā ʻāpono. E komo i ka ikaika 90 mau lā ma hope o ka 50th waiho ka ʻāina i kāna hōʻoia a i ʻole kōkua iā ia. I kēia manawa, ua kau inoa nā ʻāina he 69 a ua ʻae a ʻae aku hoʻi i ka 19 i ke kuʻikahi, akā hoʻololi pinepine kēia mau helu. Hoʻomau ka ICAN a me nā hui ʻoihana i nā pae lobby e hui pū me ke kuʻikahi.
John: Ua loaʻa iā ICAN he makana no ka Nobel Peace Prize no kāna mau hana i alakaʻiʻia ai ka TPNW. ʻO ka Nuclear Age Peace Foundation kahi o nā hui 468 e hana nei i ICAN, a no laila, ma keʻano, ua loaʻa iāʻoe kahi makana no ka Nobel Peace Prize. Ua koho pinepine aku wau iāʻoe, a me ka NAPF i hui no ka Nobel Peace Prize. Hiki iāʻoe ke nānā no mākou i nā hana e hiki ai iāʻoe no ka hōʻailona?
David: John, ua koho ʻoluʻolu ʻoe iaʻu a me NAPF i mau manawa no ka Nobel Peace Prize, no laila mahalo nui iā ʻoe. E ʻōlelo wau ʻo kaʻu hana nui ka loaʻa a alakaʻi i ka Nuclear Age Peace Foundation a ua hana mau a me ka naue ʻole ʻole no ka maluhia a me ka hoʻopau loa ʻana o nā mea kaua nukelea. ʻAʻole maopopo iaʻu inā e kūpono kēia iaʻu no kahi Nobel Peace Prize, akā he hana maikaʻi a maikaʻi kaʻu e haʻaheo nei. Manaʻo wau i kā mākou hana ma ka Foundation, ʻoiai ʻo ka honua, ka mea nui i ka United States, a he ʻāina paʻakikī kēlā e holomua ai.
Akā e ʻōlelo wau i kēia. He mea hauʻoli ia e hana no nā pahuhopu ʻano nui no ka lāhui āpau a, i ka hana ʻana i kēlā hana, ua ʻike wau i ka nui a me ka nui o ka poʻe hoʻolaʻa i kūpono e loaʻa ka Nobel Peace Prize, me ʻoe pū kekahi. Nui nā poʻe loea a kūpaʻa hoʻi i ka maluhia a me ka neʻe ʻana o ka nukelea, a kūlou wau iā lākou āpau. ʻO ia ka hana i mea nui, ʻaʻole nā makana, ʻo ia hoʻi ka Nobel, ʻoiai ke ʻike ʻia me ka Nobel hiki ke kōkua i ka holomua hou ʻana. Manaʻo wau ʻo kēia ka hihia me ICAN, a mākou i hui ai i ka hoʻomaka a hana pū me nā makahiki. No laila, hauʻoli mākou e kaʻana like i kēia makana.
John: Pono nā pāʻani koa me nāʻoihanaʻoihana ma ka honua a puni i mea e hōʻeuʻeu ai i ka nui o kā lākou kālā. Hiki paha iāʻoe ke'ōlelo i kekahi mea e pili ana i ka hopena o ka hopena o ka hana?
David: ʻAe, weliweli loa nā pūʻali koa-ʻoihana hana ma ka honua holoʻokoʻa. ʻAʻole wale ko lākou brinkmanship kahi pilikia, akā ʻo ke kālā nui loa i loaʻa iā lākou e lawe ia mai nā papahana kaiaulu no ka mālama olakino, ka noʻonoʻo, hale. a me ka pale ʻana i ke kaiapuni. ʻO ka nui o ke kālā e hele nei i ka pūʻali koa-ʻoihana hana i nā ʻāina he nui, a ʻoi loa hoʻi i ka US, haumia loa ia.
Ua heluhelu nei au i kahi puke nui i kapaʻia Ka ikaika ma o ka maluhia, i kākau ʻia e Judith Eve Lipton lāua ʻo David P. Barash. He puke ia e pili ana iā Costa Rica, kahi ʻāina i hāʻawi i kāna pūʻali koa i 1948 a ua noho ka hapanui me ka maluhia i kahi ʻāpana weliweli o ka honua mai ia manawa. ʻO ka subtitle o ka puke ʻo "Pehea ka Demilitarization i alakaʻi ai i ka maluhia a me ka hauʻoli ma Costa Rica, a me nā mea a ke koena o ka honua i hiki ke aʻo mai kahi lāhui Tropical Tiny." He puke kupaianaha ia e hōʻike ana aia he mau ala ʻoi aku ka maikaʻi o ka alualu ʻana i ka maluhia ma mua o ka ikaika o ka pūʻali koa. Huli ia ka dictum Roman kahiko ma kona poʻo. ʻ saidlelo ka poʻe Roma, "Inā makemake ʻoe i ka maluhia, hoʻomākaukau no ke kaua." Wahi a ka laʻana ʻo Costa Rican, "Inā makemake ʻoe i ka maluhia, hoʻomākaukau no ka maluhia." He ala ʻoi aku ka maikaʻi a me ke ala kūpono i ka maluhia.
John: Ua kōkua anei kā Donald Trump hoʻokele aupuni i ka makaʻu o ke kaua nukelea?
David: Manaʻo wau ua kōkua ʻo Donald Trump iā ia iho i ka makaʻu o ke kaua nukelea. He narcissistic ʻo ia, mercurial, a ʻaʻohe kompromising, kahi hui weliweli o nā ʻano no kekahi e mālama ana i ka arsenal nukelea mana nui loa o ka honua. Ua puni ʻo ia iā ia e nā kāne ʻAe, ka mea e haʻi pinepine iā ia i kāna mea e makemake ai e lohe. Eia hou, ua huki ʻo Trump i ka US ma waho o ka ʻaelike me ʻIrani, a ua hoʻolaha ʻo ia i kona manaʻo e haʻalele i ke Kuʻikahi Kākoʻo Kūwaena waena me Lūkia. ʻO kā Trump ka kāohi ʻana i ka arsenal nukle US ka weliweli weliweli loa o ke kaua nukelea mai ka hoʻomaka o ka Nuclear Age.
John: Hiki iāʻoe ke'ōlelo i kekahi mea e pili ana i nā'ōpala ahi o Kaleponi i kēia manawa? He hopena pilikia ka hoʻomehana honua i kahi pilikino e like me ka hopena o kahi pōpilikia'ōpili?
David: He weliweli loa nā ahi ahi ma Kaleponi, ʻoi aku ka maikaʻi ma ka moʻolelo o Kaleponi. ʻO kēia mau ahi weliweli kahi hōʻike hou aʻe o ka hoʻomehana honua, e like me ka hoʻonui ʻana o ka makani ʻino, ka makani pāholo a me nā hanana pili i ke anilā. Manaʻo wau he pilikia ka hoʻololi o ke aniau catastrophic i hoʻohālikelike ʻia me ka makaʻu o ka pōpilikia nukelea. Hiki i kahi pōpilikia nukelea ke hana i kēlā me kēia manawa. Me nā loli ke hele aku nei mākou i kahi kahi e hoʻi ʻole ai i ka maʻamau a e lilo ka honua honua kapu i mea ʻole e nā kānaka.
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ʻO John Scales Avery, Ph.D.,ʻo ia kekahi o ka hui i hui pū i ka 1995 No ka Nobel Peace Prize no kā lākou hana ma ka hoʻonohonohoʻana i nā Kūkākūkā Pugwash no nā Walemaʻa a me nā Kinohi o ka Honua, he lālā o ia TRANSCEND Kuhi a me ka Pelekikena Hope Loa ma ka HC Ørsted Institute, Ke Kulanui o Copenhagen, Denmark. He luna hoʻomaluʻo ia o ka huiʻo Danish National Pugwash a me ka Danish Peace Academy ua loaʻa iā ia kāna aʻoʻana ma ke kauka lapaʻau a me ke kelekiko lapaʻau ma MIT, ke Kulanui o Chicago a me ke Kulanuiʻo Lākana. ʻO ia ka mea i kākauʻia e nā puke a me nā mea e pili ana i nā kumuʻepekema a me nā nīnau pālahalaha ākea. ʻO kāna mau puke hou loa he KumuʻIke a me Evolution ʻO ka Civilization Crisis ma ka 21st Century
