ʻO Florida Gunman Nikolas Cruz Knew Pehea e hoʻohana ai i kahi pua, Mahalo i ka NRA a me ka US Army

AMY GOODMAN: ʻo kēia ʻO ka Democracy Nei!, democracynow.org, ʻO ke kaua a me ka'ōlelo hoʻomalu, me ka Māhele 2 o kā mākou kūkākūkā e pili ana ʻO JROTC a me ka pihi nui ma Florida. ʻOiaiʻo ka pupuhi o ke kula o ka hebedoma o Florida i hala i ka hakakā ākea o ke aupuni no nā pū me ka mana hoʻokūkū o ka National Rifle Association, ua emiʻole ka nānāʻana i kekahiʻaoʻao'ē aʻe o ke kākoʻo. ʻO ka lūlū Florida,ʻo Nikolas Cruz,ʻo 19, he lālā o ka Polokalamu Hoʻohanohano Kōhungahungaʻo Junior. Ua hoʻokomoʻo ia i kāna ʻO JROTC shirt when he carried out the massacre, in an attempt to mix with with other students. ʻO Cruz kekahi hapa o kaʻehā ʻO JROTC ka papa hana lima ma ke kula i loaʻa ka $ 10,000 ma ke kālā mai ka NRA.

Hoʻomau mākou i ko mākou kamaʻilioʻana me Pat Elder, ka luna o ka National Coalition e palekana i nā haumāna Haumāna, kahi hui e hakakā ana i ka militarism ma nā kula. ʻO ia ka mea kākau o ʻO ka hoʻouka kauaʻana maʻAmelika Hui PūʻIa.

No laila,ʻo ka mea mua,ʻo Pat, e haʻi mai iā mākou pehea ʻO JROTC hana ma nā kula. Eia kekahi laʻana, pehea ka nui o nā keiki ma Marjory Stoneham Douglas kula? ʻO JROTC? He aha ka welika i loko oʻAmelika Hui PūʻIa?

PAT ELDER: Ua ho'āʻo wau eʻike i kēlāʻike ma waho, e Amy, akā, ua maopopo iaʻu nā kula āpau e paʻa ana ʻO JROTC Pono nā haumāna e hoʻonui i nā haumāna 100. A inā hikiʻole iā lākou ke mālama i nā haumāna 100 noʻelua makahiki i ka lālani, a laila e hoʻopauʻia ka papahana.

I kēia manawa, ke hoʻopuka nei i kahi mea maʻalahi e pili ana i kahi pāʻani hoʻoweliweli e kuhikuhiʻia e ka ʻO JROTC ʻO ka Cadet Command,ʻaʻole i kauʻia ma kaʻaha aupuni aupuni,ʻaʻole ma nā'aha'ōlelo o ke aupuni, akā, ma nā kula a me nā papa kula o nā kula a me nā luna nui o ka moku'āina. Eia kekahi lā, ma Florida,ʻo keʻano o keʻano o keʻano aloha loa i ka piliʻana i ka militariʻana o nā kula, ua hāʻawi nā kānāwai Florida i kahi haumāna i hala nā makahikiʻehā. ʻO JROTC e pani i ka pilikino, ke kelekema kino, ka hoʻonaʻauao kino a me nā hana no kēia papa hana hoʻolaha o ka pūʻali koa. He keu loa.

AMY GOODMAN: E kali. E hana hou.

PAT ELDER: Hāʻawi pinepineʻia wau e'ōlelo hou. Ma Florida, he māhele ia o ke kānāwai i loaʻa iā ia heʻehā makahiki o ka ʻO JROTC ʻaʻole pono ka papahana e lawe i ka pilikino, kaʻike kino, ka hoʻonaʻauao kino a me nāʻoihana. Hoʻohanaʻia kēlā mauʻikeʻehā-ua māʻona i ka laweʻana i ʻO JROTC aiia.

E nānā, ma hope o ka No Child left left Act, Amy,ʻo ka nui o nā papahana o ka papahana ma'ō aku o ka'āina ua lilo iʻoi aku ka maʻalahi i nāʻano likeʻole a me ka helu o nā hola hoʻolālā e pono ai nā haumāna e lawe, a hoʻopiʻiʻia ka ʻO JROTC polokalamu. No laila ʻO JROTC ua mālamaʻia ka papahana ma nā mana he nui e hiki ai ke hoʻololi i ka hoʻonaʻauao kino a me nā aupuniʻAmelika. Hele houʻo Florida.

A he pono ke hoʻomaopopoʻia ma kēia huiʻana ma Florida nā kumu i hoʻolimalimaʻia e pono iā lākou he mau BA a pono e hoʻomāʻona i nā papa kuhikuhi hōʻailona maʻamau. Pono lākou i nā kaukelē o loko ma loko o kekahi mau makahiki. ʻO ʻO JROTC ʻAʻole pono nā kumu aʻo no ka Pūʻali i ke kēkelē ke kulanui. Auhea nā hui? ʻAuhea nā uniona ma kēia?

AMY GOODMAN: ʻEkolu o nā keiki,ʻekolu o nā kula kiʻekiʻe i pepehiʻia e Cruz, i like, e like me ia, i ʻO JROTC. Makemake wau e huli iā Jillian Davis, nāna i'ōleloʻo ia i loko ʻO JROTC me ke kanaka pupuhi o Florida,ʻo Nikolas Cruz, i ka iwa o ka papa.

ʻO JILLIAN ʻO DAVIS: ʻAʻole ka'ōpiopio maʻamau a maʻalahi paha ʻO JROTC. Heʻoiaʻiʻo iā ia -ʻo kahi mea iki iki e pili ana iā ia. Akāʻo nā mea a pau i loko o ka papahana he wahi liʻiliʻi wale nō ia, akā, he wahi liʻiliʻiʻuʻuku ia. A ke hoʻomanaʻo wale nei wau i ka nani o konaʻano. Akā he pono,ʻoi aʻe aʻuʻuku paha, he hikiʻole iā ia ke hoʻolāʻihi a me ke kūmau a makaʻuʻole i ka manawa-

INTERVIEWER: Ike au.

ʻO JILLIAN ʻO DAVIS: I kona hakakāʻana,ʻaʻole ia i like me ia. ʻAʻole ia konaʻano.

INTERVIEWER: Auhea? ʻOiai,

ʻO JILLIAN ʻO DAVIS: Keʻano pilikino.

INTERVIEWER: Ike au.

ʻO JILLIAN ʻO DAVIS: No ka mea, ua noho mālie loaʻo ia.

AMY GOODMAN: Ua hāʻawi ka Mō'ī i ka Medal of Heroism aʻekolu ʻO JROTC nā poʻe'ōpio i make i ka Parkland, Florida, i ke kākoʻoʻana: 15 makahiki makahikiʻo Peter Wang a meʻelua mau keiki hou 14,ʻo Martin Duque lāuaʻo Alaina Petty. Ua makeʻo Wang i ka manawa e paʻa ana ka puka i mea e kōkua ai i nā hoa'ē aʻe. E Elder Pat, inā hiki iāʻoe ke kamaʻilio e pili ana i nā haumāna e hui pū ana ʻO JROTC?

PAT ELDER: OK. Mahalo iā Amy. ʻO ka mea mua, he mea weliweli loa kēia, a ke kaumaha nui nei wau i kēia. Ua hāʻawi nui wau i koʻu manawa i koʻu ola e ho'āʻo e lawe i nā pū mai loko mai o nā lima o kēia mau keiki. I kēia manawa, hōʻike mai iaʻu i kahi puke i kākauʻia e Lieutenant Colonel David Grossman. Kapaʻia Killolei. A kākauʻo ia i ka Paduka,ʻo Kentucky, ka panaʻana ma ka hale waihona puke o ke kula. ʻOiai heʻewalu keiki i loko o ka pule pule, a komoʻo Mikaʻela Carneal i loko o ka hale waihona puke, a he lima kaua me nāʻewalu a puni, a pana akula kēlā me kēia keiki ma ke poʻo hoʻokahi manawa. A ke'ōlelo neiʻo Grossman i ka "hana kupanaha."

A lawe au i kēlā mea no ka mea - no ka hoʻohanaʻana o ka Pūʻali i nā pāʻani vidio - aia kahi Ka HuiʻAmelika pāʻani wikiō-i mea e hoʻolālā ai i nā keiki. ʻO ia kekahi o nā pāʻani kaulana loa maʻAmelika i kēia mau lā, aʻo ka hoʻoiho kūʻokoʻa ia. ʻO kēia nā mea pāʻani shooters mua-kanaka. A ke manaʻo nui nei auʻo ka hoʻokūkū kaua ia e kau ai nā manamana lima i nā mea he nui, inā he lolo a he maoli paha, inā hiki. No laila, eia mākou he mau kaukani mau makahiki 13 i nā kula kiʻekiʻe ma'ō aku oʻAmelika e hāʻawiʻia i nā mea pepehi weliweli e panaʻi i kā lākou mau kula kiʻekiʻe. A ināʻaʻole lākou e pana i kā lākou kula kiʻekiʻe, a laila, e pana lākou i nā pae pāʻani pāʻoihana e piha ana i ka lepo lepo a e holoʻia ana e ka Civil Marksmanship Program a me ka Hui National Rifle Association. He polokalamu ia e pono e paʻa.

AMY GOODMAN: No laila, makemake wau e kamaʻilio hou aku e pili ana i kēia, a ke kūkā nei mākou i kēia Part 1, ka pilina ma waena o NRA a me kēia mau papa hana lima, he hapa ʻO JROTC, akau? ʻO wauʻo Nikolas Cruz,ʻo ia kekahi o nā lālāʻehā o kēia papa hana hōʻailona. 'Ōlelo kekahi o nā haumāna'ē aʻe, he maikaʻiʻoi loaʻo ia.

PAT ELDER: He mea weliweli loa. Pono, ke manaʻo nei au e hāʻawi aku i ka nānā aku i ke kāʻei o ka NRA ma kēia mau mea a pau, aʻo ia ka Polokalamu Marksmanship Program, aiʻole CMP. Ano, CMP aia ma Anniston, Alabama. ʻAʻole e like me nā'āina'ē aʻe o ka honua e hoʻopau pono ana i nā mea kaua o ka pūʻali koa i hoʻomahaʻia, ua hoʻohuli houʻia ka Polokalamu Marksmanship Civilians i ka poʻeʻAmelika. No laila,ʻo ka mea i hanaʻia e ka Pūʻali koa i hāʻawiʻia,ʻoiai he makana, i ka Polokalamu Marksmanship Civil i hoʻopukaʻia i nā hao a me nā pistols i kēia manawa, a ua kūʻaiʻia aku. No laila, loaʻa i ka Polokalamu Marksmanship Kauka waiwai nā waiwai o $ 160 miliona. He kuleana hiʻona. A ua ho'ākākaʻia e ka'aha'ōlelo e kūʻai aku i nā mea i kāwiliʻia a iʻole nā ​​Koa kaua i ka poʻeʻAmelika ma nā haʻawina i hoʻemiʻia.

ʻO kēlā hui, ka Polokalamu Marksmanship Civil, e hoʻoponopono ana i nā polokalamu hāpai i nā kula. ʻO lākou nā mea e hoʻonohonoho i nā kānāwai e pili ana i ka pupuhiʻana i nā mea kaua, nā papa hana palekana a me ka hoʻopuka e pili ana i ke alakaʻi. Hāpai ka Polokalamu Marksmanship Civic i ke alakaʻi a hahai i ka like o ka NRA i ka'ōleloʻanaʻaʻole he meaʻeha ia iāʻoe aʻaʻole hoʻi he pilikia me ke alakaʻi ma ka papahele a me ke alakaʻi i ka lewa.

No laila,ʻo ia ka Polokalamu Marksmanship Civil no ka mea i kohoʻia no kaʻahahui National Rifle Association. A pono e ukuʻia ka nānāʻana ma ka Polokalamu Marksmanship Civil. Ināʻoe e hele i kēlā paena, hiki iāʻoe ke hele i ka mea tracker hula, a hiki iāʻoe ke hoʻoiho mai ka'ōmike o ka pahu ʻO JROTC nā polokalamu me nā papa kuhikuhi hōʻailona ma waena oʻAmelika Hui PūʻIa.

AMY GOODMAN: E kamaʻilio hou e pili ana i ke alakaʻi.

PAT ELDER: Aloha, e hoʻomaikaʻi, e Amy, no ka mea,ʻo ia kaʻu mea i hilinaʻi ai. Manaʻo wau e pono e hoʻopuka kēia hopena. I ka wā e pahu ai kekahi i ka pellet ma mua o kahi pahu, e'ānai ana i nā mea a pau i hele mua. A no laila,ʻo ia ke alakaʻi, ua puhiʻia kēia mau minuke i ka lewa. Eia kekahi,ʻaʻole i hoʻonohonohoʻia nā pūnaewele lele i nā kula kiʻekiʻe e mālama i kēlā ea. A no laila keʻano o ka'ōnaehana lele lele. I kekahi mau mea, e pā mai ana i nā maka o nā keiki. Hoʻopiʻia ke poʻo i kaʻaoʻao o ka pū, ma luna o ka papahele, aʻo ka pahu hoʻi e hōʻiliʻili ma kahi hope.

A ua hoʻopuka ka Polokalamu Marksmanship Civic i nā kulekele kūikawā, pololei loa, i ka nānāʻoleʻia i nā kula ma waho o ka'āina. ʻO kaʻoiaʻiʻo, aia nā kiʻi, i paʻiʻia ma kā mākou paena, mai Flint, Michigan, ke hōʻike nei i nā keiki e hele ana mai ke kaha kiʻi i ka pahu hopu. A iaʻu nā wikiō he nui,ʻo ia hoʻi, e hōʻike ana, mai YouTube wale nō -ʻaʻohe mea nui e kiʻi ai i kēia mau mea -ʻo ia ka hōʻike ponoʻana i nā keiki kula kiʻekiʻe e uhaki ana i nā'ōlelo koʻikoʻi. A i ko lākou heleʻana ma kahi o ka papaʻaina a ma kahi o ka papaʻaina, waiho lākou-ke alakaʻi i ke poʻo i nā kāmaʻa, i nā lima, i nā wāwae, i nāʻaʻahu, a me ke koena o ka hale. A ua loaʻa iā mākou nā haʻawina, e nā lālā o Suedena a me Kelemānia, e hōʻike ana i kahi pilina maʻemaʻe ma waena o ka panaʻana wale nō i nā pellets alakaʻi a me nā piʻi kiʻekiʻe o ke koko.

I kēia manawa, hōʻike mai ka Polokalamu Marksmanship Civil iā mākou e maikaʻi aʻo ka mea a pau āu e hana ai, e mālama pono i nā keiki i ka manawa hoʻokahi a holoi lākou i nā lima. I kēia manawa, NIOSH 'ōlelo mākou iā mākouʻaʻole ka lawaʻana o kou lima i mea e hoʻomaʻemaʻe ai i ke poʻo. Hāʻawi ka Polokalamu Marksmanship Kauka i nā kula e hoʻohana i ka trisodium phosphate no ka hoʻomaʻemaʻeʻana i nā papa hau a me ka papa pā hale ma hope o kēlā me kēia pana. ʻAʻole hoʻohanaʻia kēia. A pono e haʻiʻia hoʻi,ʻo ia Hoʻomaʻamaʻa he kinoʻinoʻa ia a he weliweli loa i ke kaiapuni.

AMY GOODMAN: A inā hiki iāʻoe ke'ōlelo hou, e Pat, ka mea nāna e uku CMP, ka Polokalamu Makai Makau. A laila, me kēia mau mea a pau-JROTC, CMP, ka hana a ka NRA-ʻo wai ka mea e hea aku i nā pā, e'ōlelo ai, ma ke kula?

PAT ELDER: Loaʻa ia.

AMY GOODMAN: He aha ka hana a ke pāʻani poʻokela?

PAT ELDER: ʻAe, e mahalo no kēia nīnau. ʻO ka moʻoleloʻo Marksmanship Program ka mea hoihoi loa, Amy. Ke hele nei ia a hoʻi i ka 1903. Ua hoʻopukaʻia nā memos e ka Mō'ī ma mua o kēlā manawa i hanaʻia -ʻo ia ka mea iʻike nui i ka pūʻali koa o ka pūʻali, no ka mea, ua manaʻo lākou he mau kānaka'ōpioʻAmelika e hakakā ana i ke kauaʻAmelikaʻAmelika. No laila, ua kauoha ka 'Aha'ōlelo i ka hoʻokumuʻana i ka Polokalamu Marksmanship Civilians e aʻo ai i nā haneli haneli mau keiki i nā mea pepehi i ka mea kani, a i keʻano o kekahi kaua'ē aʻe, e aʻo maikaʻiʻia nā meaʻAmelika e pana. He mea weliweli loa.

I ka 1996, aia i ka hōʻike koʻikoʻi o Paul Simon a me Frank Lautenberg,ʻelua mau koa nui, a ua kāheaʻia ka inoa. CMP he "hoʻokūkū" a "he makana i ka NRA"ʻO ia ka makahiki o ka CMP ʻAʻoleʻo ia he lima o ka'aha'ōlelo. ʻAʻole ia heʻano lehulehu, a lilo i mea hilinaʻi. A ma iaʻano, ua hiki iā ia ke ninini i $ 160 miliona i nā waiwai mālama kālā i kūʻaiʻia ma kahi kūʻai me ka kūʻai aku i nā mea kaua i hoʻokuʻuʻia.

I kēia lā aʻe o kāu nīnau, aia nā kula o kēlā me kēia kula e holoʻia e nā poʻe koʻikoʻi. ʻO nā poʻokela ma nā kula e mālama i nā mea e hana nei. He mea kupanaha lākou - he kūʻokoʻa kupaianaha kupaianaha kupaianaha kā lākou i loko o kā lākou mau kula. Akāʻo ka polokalamu pono'ī e hanaʻia e nā lālā o ka pūʻali. No laila, inā he polokalamu Marine Corps kāu, aia iāʻoe he mau puke a me nā meaʻokoʻa'ē aʻe heʻehā. Pau nā mea āpau. A aʻoʻia nā keiki i ka moʻolelo mai ka nānāʻana i Marine Corps. A aia nā moku'āina i kēia manawa e'āpono ana i kēiaʻano o ka hoʻolālā e hoʻololi ai no ka hoʻonaʻauao maʻamau.

No laila, e pane i kāu nīnau, e pili ana i ke alakaʻi o nā kula, e hoʻoholo ai ke Marksmanship Civilian. ʻO ka mea aʻo i kēlā me kēia koa,ʻo ia ka mea nāna e mālama,ʻoiai he nīnau ia, Amy: He loaʻa maoli anei kā mākou kula i nā kula? ʻIkeʻoe, no laila ke kuleana o ka kuleana. Akā, ma ke kānāwai,ʻo ke poʻo nui ka mea mālama i nā kula. Ua holoi lākou i nā lima.

ʻO ia ka mea like me ka ho'āʻoʻana i nā koa. Loaʻa iā mākou nā keiki 700,000 ma'ō aku o ka'āina ma nā kula 14,000 e lawe nei i kēia ASVAB hōʻike, a ua hāʻawiʻia nāʻike a pau i nā luna hoʻolale pūʻali koa -ʻehā hola o ka hoʻokolokoloʻana, nā helu mālama ola - e kū'ē i nā kānāwai o ka Moku'āina a me nā kānāwai pekelala, a me nāʻikepili lāhui. A he hōʻailona kaua i hāʻawiʻia. A no ka hoʻokomo kokeʻana i ka palena, hiki i nā luna keʻae i kēiaʻike e hele i ka pūʻali, e uhaki i nā kuleana pilikino. A hōʻiliʻili ka pūʻali i kaʻike mai ka poʻe keiki mai. Aia ka moku'āina o Maryland a me ka moku'āinaʻo New Hampshire i nā kānāwai, aʻo kēlā mau kānāwai i'ōlelo maoliʻia e hikiʻole i ka pūʻali ke lawe i kēlāʻike me kaʻaeʻole o ka makua. Loaʻa iā mākou nā kula he hoʻokahi tausani, Amy, nā mea e koi ai i nā haumāna e komo i ka hōʻailona o ka hoʻopaʻa inoa o ka pūʻali, a ua hāʻawiʻia nāʻike a pau i ka makuahine a me ka makua kāne i ka poʻe loiloi me kaʻikeʻole o koʻu makuakāne a me kona makuakāne. A hōʻino hoʻi FERPA, 'o ia hoʻi ka' Oihana Hoʻonaʻauao o ka 'ohana a me ka' Oihana Pono.

AMY GOODMAN: No laila, pehea e hiki ai ke hana, inā kū'ē ia i ke kānāwai o United States?

PAT ELDER: Pehea e hiki ai i kekahi mea ke kū'ē i nā kānāwai o United States? Pehea e hiki ai i ke Keʻokeʻo Hoʻoholo ke hele me ka 'aʻeʻole i nā kānāwai o United States? Ua hōʻole ia i nā kānāwai o United States. Hiki iaʻu ke haʻi aku iāʻoe, ke hoʻopiʻi nei wau i kuʻu poʻo e kū'ē i ke kula nui no nā makahiki 15 ma kēia kaʻina.

A ua loaʻa iā mākou kekahiʻano hopena ma ka moku'āina o Maryland a ma ka moku'āinaʻo New Hampshire. A pono wau e haʻi aku i ka moku'āinaʻo Hawaiʻi. Ua hele mākou i nā luna o ke kula, a hele mākou i nā luna kānāwai, a'ōlelo mākou, "ʻAe, he kānāwai kou ma ka moku'āina e'ōlelo neiʻaʻole hiki iāʻoe ke hoʻohui i kahi keiki e hōʻailona i kā lākou helu mālama ola. ʻAʻole hiki iāʻoe ke hoʻohui i kahi keiki e hāʻawi i nāʻikepili lāhui a iʻole nā ​​moʻolelo moʻolelo a nā haumāna, me kaʻole o kaʻae makua. Hele nā ​​koa i kou hale kula a hōʻoia i kēia mau keiki. Pehea kou manaʻo no kēlā mea? "Aʻae pū nā luna kānāwai o kēlā mau mokuʻekolu a mākou i kānāwai. Loaʻa iā mākou nā'ōlelo 47 e hele.

AMY GOODMAN: Ua makemake wau e huli i ka moʻolelo o Nikolas Cruz a pehea e hiki ai iā ia ke hāʻawi pono i ka pū ma ke kula,ʻoiaiʻaʻoleʻoe eʻaeʻia e lawe i kahi pū i kēlā kula. Ua puka mai nā mea hōʻike hou a me nā mea'ē aʻe e hōʻike ana i ke kākā'ōlelo o ke kākā'ōlelo o ke kulaʻo Floridaʻo Nikolas Cruz i kahiʻano maʻamau me nā kāne'ē aʻe he nui i hana i nā hoʻokani hao nui: He moʻoleloʻo ia no nā wāhine hōʻino a hoʻoweliweli. 'Ōlelo kekahi haumāna The New York Times ua hanaʻinoʻo Cruz i kāna mau hoaaloha. Ua haʻiʻia kekahi haumāna The New York Times he mau hoaaloha piliʻo ia me Cruz akā eʻokiʻoki iā ia ma hope o kona hoʻomakaʻana e hele me ka hōʻeha i kāna hoaaloha. A The New York Times 'ōlelo pū kekahi i kekahi e'ōlelo ana ua heleʻo ia ma hope o kekahi haumāna kula kiʻekiʻe a hiki i ka manawa o ka leleʻana iā ia.

Hoʻohuiʻoe i kēlā me nā loiloi i hala nā makahiki hope loa i hele ka mākaʻi i kahi home o Cruz i kahi mea like me ka 39 manawa e hoʻoponopono ai i nā hihia o ka hanaʻino a me nā pilikia'ē aʻe. Loaʻa iāʻoe kahi hoa noho e hōʻike ana i ke kiʻiʻoniʻoni o Cruz e hāpai ana i kahi pū ma kona kua. ʻO wau keʻanoʻoiaʻiʻo,ʻo ke kula-ʻoʻoe nō nā keiki a pau, e like me Emma Gonzalez, ka mea i kaulana nui no ka'ōleloʻano hauʻoli no ka mana o ka pū, e'ōlelo ana, "Uaʻike mākou ma ke ala."'Ōlelo mailaʻo ia, "Mai e haʻi iā mākou e pono mākou e haʻi i nā kānaka. Ua haʻi mākou i ka poʻe e pili ana iā Cruz. "Ua'ōleloʻo ia," Ināʻoe e noi mai, uaʻikeʻoe,ʻo wai ka mea pana hula,ʻaʻole mākou e kahaha, "i'ōlelo aiʻo ia.

Akā, pehea e pili ana i kēia, ke hele mai neiʻo Nikolas Cruz i lālā no ka meaʻaʻole wale ʻO JROTC akä, ua hana 'ia nö hoʻi ka papa kauka ma ke kula, a ua aʻo' ia e lilo i pana maikaʻi loa?

PAT ELDER: Akau. Aloha, e Amy, pono mākou e hōʻali iki eʻike i ke kiʻi o ka United States Military Processing Command. ʻO ia ke kuleana aupuni ma hope o kēia mau mea hoʻopailua. Ponoʻoe eʻike i ka paukū 40 o nā haumāna hou a pau i ka hoʻopau i kā lākou'ōlelo mua. Pono wau e hana hou: 40 pakeneka o nā keiki hou houʻaʻole i hoʻopiha i kā lākou'ōlelo mua. A ma waena o ka manawa mai 2008 a 2014, ua hele mākou i ka 20,000 poʻe-20,000 koa. AWOL. Uaʻikeʻoe,ʻo ka pūʻali koa ke kuhi nei iā lākou i lalo. A iā lākou e hana nei, ua paʻi kēia mau koa i ka wili lima. ʻO ia no ka meaʻoi aku ka maʻalahi o ka heleʻana i nā kikowaena nui o nā kauhale a me nā kula kiʻekiʻe ma ka Rust Belt a kau pū me nā keiki i loko o ka hale hānai a me nā kaumāne me nā keiki i loko o ka pā kaʻa, e ho'āʻo iā lākou e hui. A pēlā, kaʻu paneʻana maʻaneʻi, aia iā mākou he mau kaukani a me nā mano o nā keiki i hoʻokipaʻia. ʻAʻole ia he hana manawaleʻa, Amy. He ikaika ia i hoʻohuiʻia. Aʻo ka manawa kēia eʻike ai nā kānaka i ka hōʻeuʻeu.

AMY GOODMAN: Hiki iāʻoe ke kamaʻilio e pili ana i keʻano o ka moku'āinaʻo Florida a me ka nui o ka nui o ka holomua ʻO JROTC polokalamu?

PAT ELDER: Hiki iaʻu. Hiki iaʻu ke haʻi aku iāʻoe, e like me kaʻu i'ōlelo ai ma mua, e pili ana i ka papahana e pili ana, he mea kaulana loa ia. He mea paʻakikī ia, Amy, e hōʻiliʻili i nāʻikepili ma ka ʻO JROTC polokalamu. I keia manawa, ua noi au no na 10 mau makahiki hope ʻO ka FOIA ʻike, a loaʻa iā ia, ma ka hoʻoneʻe kaua. ʻAʻole mākou iʻike i kēlā ʻO JROTC polokalamu. No laila,ʻaʻole wau. Loaʻa iaʻu - pono e noiʻia, a he lōʻihi lōʻihi e hoʻomaka ai e loaʻa kēlāʻike.

Nui nui kā mākou. Uaʻike mākou e pili ana i nā kula 3,300 ma'ō aku o ka'āina, no laila hiki iā mākou ke hoʻopuka hou i kēlā mea eʻike i ka nui o ka poʻe i Florida. Loaʻa mākou i kaʻikepili ma ka Pūʻali, akā,ʻaʻole mākou iʻike i nāʻike ma nā lālāʻekolu. Akā,ʻike alohaʻo Florida i ka pūʻali koa. No ka hāʻawiʻana iāʻoe i kahi hoʻolālā,ʻehiku mau kula kaiāulu ma Miami, ke kūlanakauhale, aʻo nā keiki o kēlā mau kula e pono e noho no ka hōʻailona hōʻailona. ʻO nā kula a pau he mau kānaka liʻiliʻi iʻoi aʻe ka nui o ka nui o nā lāhui ma kahi o 95. ʻO ia kekahi mea'ē aʻe. Aia kekahiʻano lāhui i kēia, i ka hiʻohiʻona hoʻokolohua koa. Akā aia nā polokalamu hoʻokolohua. E'ōlelo mākou makemake kahi kula e kōkua i nā keiki e hoʻomākaukau no ka Kānāwai ai ole ia o ka ʻOLE nā ho'āʻo. He pane ka pūʻali koa no ia mea. Kāheaʻiaʻo Malaki 2 Success. Hoʻomaka ka pūʻali i kāna mau polokalamu hoʻolimalima i Florida a me nā wahi'ē aʻe me ka pili o ka hale Lego, no ka hoʻomakaʻana i ke kolu o ka papa. No laila, aia kekahi mau papahana hoʻomehana he nui, e hana ana ma nā kula a pau o Florida a me nā kula a puni ka'āina.

AMY GOODMAN: I kēia manawa, e wehewehe i ka hapa lāhui i kahi liʻiliʻi hou, Pat.

PAT ELDER: ʻOiaʻiʻo. ʻOiai,ʻewalu mau makahiki i hala iho nei, ua kākau au i nā kānāwai ma ka moku'āina o Maryland, a ua hele wau i ka NAACP ka Luna Hoʻokele, Elbridge James. A he kanaka maikaʻiʻo Elbota. A no laila, ua'ōleloʻo ia, uaʻikeʻoe, ua nīnau wau iā ia, "E hiki anei iāʻoe ke hōʻike ma Maryland e pili ana i ka hoʻolālā kaua?" A'ī akulaʻo ia, "Eʻike maiʻoe iaʻu i kaʻikepili ma laila." A uaʻikeʻoe ua hāʻawi aku wau iā ia. i kahi polapala me nā kula 150 ma laila, nā inoa o nā kula. A nānāʻo ia iā ia no kahi 30 seconds, Amy, a'ōleloʻo ia, "E hōʻike wau." Ua'ōlelo au, "Ua wikiwiki loaʻo Elbridge." A weheweheʻo iaʻaʻoleʻo ia iʻike iā Walt Whitman ma Potomac. ʻAʻoleʻo ia iʻike iā Churchill ma Bethesda. ʻAʻoleʻo ia iʻike i nā kulaʻeleʻele waiwai e pili ana i kēlā papa inoa. Aʻaʻole loa. ʻIkeʻoe, e hele ana lākou i Brown. Hele lākou i Cornell. ʻAʻole lākou e hele i ka Pūʻali. ʻAʻole lākou e hoʻokomo. Inā lākou e komo i ka pūʻali, hele lākou e noho luna. No laila, aia kekahiʻano lāhui i ka hoʻonā kauaʻana, no ka mea, aia ma laila -ʻaʻohe wale he mea lāhui. He mea waiwai.

No laila, hiki iā mākou keʻike pono, me kaʻikepili i loaʻa iā mākou ma ka hoʻolālā kaua. Loaʻa mākou i kaʻikepili mai ka pūʻali koa i hala aku nei. Ua hoʻokuʻuʻia ka wāwae e ka hoʻolāʻau puhi. No laila, loaʻa iā mākou nāʻike hou, a laila wau e loaʻa ai iā mākou ma kā mākou pūnaewele, StudentPrivacy.org, i loko oʻelua mau lā. He mea nui. Hiki iāʻoe ke huki i kou moku'āina aʻike i nā helu o nā keiki i ho'āʻoʻia e ka pūʻali. A hiki iāʻoe ke kelepona i kou poʻo kumu a nīnau iā ia pehea i'ōlelo aiʻo ia, ma kaʻikepili-ʻaʻole pono nā keiki e lawe i nā keiki 180 hōʻoia e lawe. A hiki iāʻoe ke nīnau iā lākou, "Pehea i ka honua nei e hoʻolaleʻaleʻaʻole aiʻoe i nā keiki 180,ʻo ia ka poʻeʻelemakule, e hele i ka haleʻaina no ka hoʻolālāʻana iʻehā hola?"

AMY GOODMAN: E Pat, pehea kou makemake i kēia? He aha kou pilina?

PAT ELDER: ʻĀ, i koʻu wā he 16, ua komo ka United States i Kambupila, a iho au i ka White House, a ua noi ʻia wau e neʻe mai ke alo waena o Lafayette Park, a ʻaʻole wau i hana, a ua hopu ʻia wau A ʻo ia ka hoʻomaka o kaʻu activism. ʻAʻole hiki iaʻu ke noho mālie. A he mea hoʻoikaika wau ma hope mai. I ke kakahiaka nui, gosh, '01, ua hoʻonohonoho wau i nā hōʻikeʻike ma Wakinekona me nā United for Peace and Justice a me ka DC Anti-War Network, aʻu i hoʻokumu ai. A, maopopo iā ʻoe, ua hiki wau i ke kiko, ma kahi o 2004, 2005, hiki iā mākou - hiki iā mākou ke hoʻokau i 300,000 a i ʻole 400,000 poʻe i ke alanui, ʻo Amy. He mea pono maoli nō ia. Akā ʻaʻole ia i hoʻololi i nā kulekele o kā Bush hoʻokele.

A hālāwai wau me Rick Jahnkow. Aiaʻo ia me Kaukahana YANO ma San Diego. A he nani maoliʻo San Diego i ka kauhale kaua. Ua mālamaʻo ia me kēlā hui i nā pū a pau mai loko mai o ka ʻO JROTC polokalamu ma ke kūlanakauhaleʻo San Diego. No laila,ʻaʻohe hōʻailona papahanaʻo San Diego. He hana nui kēia. Papahana YANO he hui nui loa ia, a he hele kahi e aʻo ai e pili ana i kēia hopena, a me NNOMY, 'o ia ka' & acircoa 'ana i ka Militarization o ka' opiopio, a me kaʻu pūnaewele, ka pūnaewele pūnaewele, StudentPrivacy.org.

No laila, he mea maʻalahi ia. Uaʻike au i kahi hoʻololi o ke aloha, ke aloha, a me ka noʻonoʻo, e pono ai ma o nā kula, Amy. Pono ia. A no laila, pono mākou e nānā i kēlā papahanaʻekolu o ka papahana e hanaʻia e ka pūʻali koa, a pono mākou e nānā i ka Polokalamu Young Marines, a he mau keiki ke'ōpio e like me ke kolu o ka papa, a he pono kā mākou e hakakā. Pono mākou e hoʻololi i kēia. Pono mākou e puka ma waho, no ka mea, he māhele kēia o ka hoʻololi. E hele ana i kahi hanauna.

AMY GOODMAN: A me ka ho'āʻo nui loaʻana e hoʻokomo i ka nui o nā kumuwaiwai i ka pūʻali koa-a he mea mākou iʻikeʻole ma mua,ʻoiaiʻo ia e ho'āʻo e hoʻonui i ka pūʻali koa-pehea ka hopena o nā papahana āu e kamaʻilio nei ma nā kula?

PAT ELDER: Maikaʻi, Amy. I kēia manawa, ke manaʻo nei wau e pili ana i nā pōkole 8,000 e pili ana i ka Recruiting Command. ʻAʻole ia he mea āu eʻike nei CNN, maopopo iā 'oe. ʻAʻole ia he mea āu i loaʻa ai MSNBC. ʻO ia -ʻo ia ka pilikia o ka pilikia.

A uaʻikeʻoe, ua hana nui au me ka Child Soldiers International ma Lākana, a ua hana pū nō hoʻi au me nā poʻe ma Geneva e pili ana i ke kūlana koho o nā keiki i nā hakakā kaua. A ua lawe lākou i nā paukūʻelua i kākauʻia e aʻu, a hoʻokomo i loko o kā lākou pane i ka luna hoʻomalu o Obama, a no laila,'ānō he māhele o ka moʻolelo aupuni. ʻOiai, uaʻike nā poʻe ma Geneva i kēlā ho'āʻo kaua a me ka ʻO JROTC hoʻopau ka papahana i kēia kulekele. Hāʻule lākou i ke kaʻina hana no ka mea,ʻo ka Section 3 o ke kūlana koho o nā keiki ma nā hakakā kaua e'ōlelo pono ana e hoʻokōʻia nā keiki i lalo o ka makahiki 18 me kaʻaeʻana i ka makua. ʻAʻoleʻo ia maʻAmelika Hui PūʻIa. Aʻo ka hoʻomalu Obama, ma lalo o ke Kākau'ōlelo Clinton, ua'ōleloʻo iaʻaʻole pono e koiʻia nā keiki e hōʻolo i ka hoʻolālā kaua aʻo ka ʻO JROTC ʻaʻole e hoʻoneʻe ka papahana i nā keiki aiʻole e ho'āʻo e hoʻolālā i nā keiki me kaʻaeʻole o ka makua.

AMY GOODMAN: ʻO ka $ 10,000 āu i manaʻo ai i hele i ke kula kiʻekiʻeʻo Parkland ma keʻano o nā lakohana?

PAT ELDER: Ua pololei kēlā. ʻO ka maʻamau, e loaʻa iāʻoe nā kula NRA, A me ka NRA he polokalamuʻoihana koʻikoʻi no ka hāʻawiʻana i nā haʻawina mai. Heʻano like ia me nā hoʻolaha'elika Joe Cool Camel i hoʻokumuʻia i ka'ōpio. ʻO ia kaʻano likeʻole. Uaʻike lākou inā hiki iā lākou ke hoʻomaka i ke kauʻana i nā keiki me nā pū i ka 13 makahiki i nā kula kiʻekiʻe, he lanakila lanakila loa ia no lākou a me ka mea kūʻai aku i nā mea kaua. A no laila, keʻike neiʻoe, uaʻikeʻoe he hana hoʻopunipuni kēia, a heʻano like nō ia, no ka holo pōkole, a hiki i ka piʻiʻana o nā kānaka i ka manaʻo e hoʻoiliʻia nā kaua ma ke kula kiʻekiʻe, e hoʻomaka nā kaua ma nā kaʻa kaʻa kula kiʻekiʻe. , kahi iʻaeʻia ai ka poʻe loiloi e hāʻule me nā 13 makahiki.

AMY GOODMAN: A i ka hopena o kahi keiki e like me Nikolas Cruz, ka mea i maopopo i ka moʻolelo o ka hoʻonāukiuki, ka hoʻomāʻewaʻewa a me ka hoʻomāinoino i nā mea'ē aʻe, hiki iā ia ke puhi i ke pū a aʻo i ke kula?

PAT ELDER: ʻOi,ʻoi aku kaʻino ma mua o kēlā. Ua hoʻokomo ka United States Army i kahi mea pepehi i loko o ka lima o ke keiki i kona wā i ka iwa o ka papa, e like me ia me nā tausani o nā poʻe'ē aʻe o ka'āina. I kēia manawa, hiki paha iā ia keʻano koʻikoʻi, akā, nui nā'ōpio iʻikeʻole i ka naʻau ma 17 a me 18 nāna e mālama i ka pūʻali koa. A ua makemake nā mākua eʻae i kā lākou mau keiki e hui pū me 17. ʻO ka hapa nui o ka ikaika o ka poʻe i waeʻia ma United States of Americaʻo 17. Pau kēlā i ka 'OECD, ma loko oʻEulopa a me ka honua i kūkuluʻia. No laila, he hana hoʻonani.

Akā, e hoʻi hou iā Nikolas Cruz, ua hanaʻo ia i koa maikaʻi? Malia paha. Inā paha ua hui pūʻo ia, a inā paha ua kūʻo ia a ua aʻoʻiaʻo ia e ka poʻe Marines a me ka pūʻali koa paha, ua lilo pahaʻo ia i koa koa maikaʻi, ma kā lākou kohoʻana.

AMY GOODMAN: Keʻike maopopo neiʻoe i ka hihia a Nikolas Cruz a me kona komo pūʻana ʻO JROTC a CMP a me ka papa hana lima ma ka kula kiʻekiʻe o Parkland?

PAT ELDER: ʻAʻole,ʻaʻole wau. ʻIkeʻoe,ʻaʻole wau iʻike i kekahi mea'ē aʻe ma mua o nā mea'ē aʻe, i hōʻuluʻulu waleʻia mai nā kumu likeʻole, Amy. ʻIke au i keʻano.

A hiki iaʻu ke haʻi iāʻoe, ua kāheaʻia au e nā poʻe makuahine he nui a puni ka'āina. ʻO ka makuahine wale nō ia, Amy, nā mākuaʻole. A e kapa mai lākou iaʻu. Loaʻa iaʻu. A e'ōleloʻia lākou, "Ke pāʻani nei kaʻu keiki i hoʻokahi me ka poʻolumoku a me kekahi mea hele. A he pilikinoʻo ia, aʻo ia ADHD, a he maʻi kaumaha kona. ʻAʻohe hiki i kēia, Pat. He aha ka mea e hiki ai iā mākou ke hana e pili ana i ia mea? "A ke'ōlelo nei au," Pono, hiki iāʻoe ke kamaʻilio i kāu kumu. Hiki iāʻoe ke kamaʻilio i kāu keiki. Akā i ka manawa o 18 a kāu keiki a hōʻailona lākou,ʻaʻohe mea momona e hiki ke hana no ia mea. "A no laila, pinepine wau i kēia mau kūkākūkā lōʻihi, kēia mau leka uila lōʻihi, me nā haneli o nā mina,ʻoiaʻiʻo, ka huhū wale no kaʻikeʻana i kā lākou mau keiki hele i ke kaua,ʻo nā keiki a lākou iʻike ai,ʻaʻole e mau. A no laila, ua hoʻi hou i kaʻu'ōlelo mua i ka meaʻo 40 ka nui o nā hōʻailona hou iʻole e hala i ka makahiki mua.

AMY GOODMAN: A pehea lā e hoʻohālikelike ai kaʻAmelika i kēiaʻano papahana no nā keiki, kēia polokalamu kaua, i nā'āina'ē aʻe?

PAT ELDER: ʻO wau, ke'ōlelo nei au,ʻaʻohe mea iʻikeʻia e ka poʻe Pelekāneʻaʻole eʻae i nā loiloi i loko o nā kula. Uaʻikeʻoe, ua luliluli lākou i ko lākou mau poʻo. ʻAʻole hiki iā lākou ke manaʻoʻiʻo. Uaʻike lākou iā mākou e like me keʻano o keʻano kipi o Wild West. O mākou. No laila, hoʻokahi wale nō mākou i waena o nā'āina o ka honua nei. A ke manaʻo nei au ināʻoe e nānā pū ana, i ka'aha'ōlelo o ka'aha'ōlelo e hana hou mākou, e hoʻolālā mākou i nā mea kaua, e like me M1911-ʻo ka M1911 kaʻaoʻaoʻaoʻao o Vietnam. He pīpī maʻamau. A no laila,ʻo ke kulekele o ka moku'āina oʻAmelika Huipūʻia,ʻo ia ma mua o ka lukuʻana i kēia mau puʻupuʻu liʻiliʻi-maʻamau,ʻoi aku ka maikaʻi ke kūʻai aku iā lākou i nā uku i ukuʻoleʻia i ka poʻeʻAmelika. ʻO ia ka kuleana o ka'aha'ōlelo me ka Polokalamu Marksmanship Civil. ʻO ia keʻano o kaʻu paneʻana.

AMY GOODMAN: Ehia mau kula i olelo ai? ʻO wau ke'ōlelo, a laila e hoʻi hou i ka wā i ka Vietnam Vietnam, ka hoʻouluhua a puni ke kī ROTC mai nā kula. A he aha ka mea e like ai i kēia lā?

PAT ELDER: He mea kaumaha. ʻAi au, ua nui ka hana. ʻAʻole pilikia iki. ʻO ka mea nui loa,ʻo nā keiki ke kuʻi. A no ka hapanui, nā keiki i ke kula kiʻekiʻe e kau ana i kēia mau mea ʻO JROTC Hoʻohanohano nuiʻia nāʻaʻahu i nā haumāna'ē aʻe. Ke kāleʻa nei lākou i kaʻaʻahu o nā pūʻali koa, a ke hoʻokipa nei nā kamaliʻi iā lākou a mahalo iā lākou, no ka mea, ma hope o nā mea a pau, ke kākoʻo nei mākou i nā pūʻali koa, eia?

AMY GOODMAN: ʻO Peter Wang, ke haumāna eʻike nei e kōkua ana i nā haumāna'ē aʻe, ua komoʻo ia i ke kapaʻaʻahu a pau i ka wā e hoʻomoeʻia aiʻo ia.

PAT ELDER: Ua maopopo iaʻu ke hāʻawi nei ka Mō'ī iā ia i ka mahalo kiʻekiʻe. No laila, he hōʻailona'ē aʻe kēia no ka hoʻouluʻana o ka'ōpio. E hana aku lākou iā ia ma keʻano he koa koa ma hope o kona kanuʻana. He mea weliweli. Ua kaumaha wau. ʻO lākou nā keiki hipa. Akā, e hoʻopau kokeʻia ka papahana, a me ka papahanaʻoihana.

AMY GOODMAN: Pono, e ka makua Pat, makemake mākou e mahalo iāʻoe no ka noho pūʻana me mākou, ke alakaʻi o ka National Coalition e palekana i ka Haumāna Haumāna, kahi hui e hakakā ana i ka militarism ma nā kula, ka mea kākau o ʻO ka hoʻouka kauaʻana maʻAmelika Hui PūʻIa. E leka uila i ka kauwahi ʻoe i kākau wale ai, "ʻO JROTC, Ka Hoʻohui Kau Aupuni a me ka Hoʻokumuʻana o Mass Killers. "

ʻo kēia ʻO ka Democracy Nei! ʻO wauʻo Amy Goodman. Mahalo no ka hui pūʻana me mākou. Inā makemakeʻoe e hele i Part 1 o kā mākou kūkākūkāʻana me Pat Pat, hiki iāʻoe ke hele i democracynow.org.