By ʻO ka Democracy Nei, Fepeluali 20, 2023
Ua kipa ʻo Pelekikena Biden i Ukraine ma mua o ka makahiki mua o kēia pule o ka hoʻouka kaua ʻana o Rūsia a hoʻolaha hou aku i $500 miliona i ke kōkua pūʻali koa iā Ukraine a me nā hoʻopaʻi hou aʻe ma luna o Rūsia. Hōʻike ka huakaʻi i ka mea i kapa ʻia ʻo Biden i kāna "kākoʻo kūpaʻa ʻole" no ke kūʻokoʻa ʻo Ukrainian i ka manawa e ulu ana ka nui o nā poʻe ma ʻAmelika Hui Pū ʻIa a me nā ʻāina ʻē aʻe e koi nei i ka hoʻopau ʻana i ka hakakā. "No ka pelekikena ʻAmelika e hana i kahi huakaʻi e like me kēia he hōʻailona nui loa ia," wahi a Matt Duss, ka haumāna kipa ma Carnegie Endowment for International Peace a me Bernie Sanders kumu aʻoaʻo. "Ke manaʻo nei au he hana hoʻolaha kēia e kākoʻo i ke kaua noʻonoʻo e hoʻomaka ana ka lehulehu o ʻAmelika e ʻike ʻaʻohe hopena i ʻike ʻia koe wale nō ka hoʻopau ʻole o nā ola," wahi a CodePink co-founder Medea Benjamin.
AMY GOODMAN: I ka hoʻokokoke ʻana o ke kaua ma Ukraine i hoʻokahi makahiki o kēia pule, ua kipa ka Pelekikena Biden i Ukraine i kēia lā. I ka wā o kahi hālāwai me ka Pelekikena Ukrainian Volodymyr Zelensky ma Kyiv, ua hoʻolaha ʻo Biden i kahi nalu hou o ka hoʻopaʻi kūʻē iā Rūsia a me kekahi hapalua piliona kālā i ke kōkua, me nā mea kaua hou aku.
PRESIDENT ʻO Joe ʻO BIDEN: Ua manaʻo wau he mea koʻikoʻi ʻaʻole he kānalua, ʻaʻohe mea ʻē aʻe, ma ke kākoʻo ʻana o ʻAmelika iā Ukraine i kā lākou kaua kūʻē i ka hoʻouka kaua ʻana e Russia. I kēia manawa, maikaʻi ke hoʻi i Kiev.
AMY GOODMAN: ʻO ka hoʻokō nui ʻana o nā mea kaua a Biden e hele mai ma hope o ke poʻo o ke Komisina ʻEulopa i ʻōlelo ai e hana ka bloc i "nā hana kupaianaha" e hoʻonui i ka hana, kūʻai a me ka hoʻolako ʻana i nā mea kaua i Ukraine. Ua hana ʻo Ursula von der Leyen i ka ʻōlelo hoʻohiki i ka wā o ka hālāwai kūkā ʻo Munich Security i kēia hopena pule aʻo ka hoʻomau ʻana o nā kaua ikaika ma mua o ka hikina o Ukraine. Ma waho o ka ʻaha kūkā, ua ʻākoakoa nā haneli he nui e kūʻē.
HOOKUNA: No ka mea, ʻaʻole hiki iā mākou ke hoʻolako mau i nā mea kaua, no ka mea, ʻaʻole i pau ke kaua; i kēlā me kēia lā i hoʻolako ʻia nā mea kaua, make nā kānaka ma nā ʻaoʻao ʻelua. A helu kēia poʻe. He mea nui e hele i nā kūkākūkā maluhia.
AMY GOODMAN: Ma mua o ka haʻalele ʻana o Pelekikena Biden no Ukraine, ua hālāwai ʻo ia me ke kūʻē ʻana i kāna ʻaina ahiahi i kēia hopena pule ma Wakinekona, DC, e kahi mea hana me ka hui antiwar CodePink.
ʻO CODEPINK HANA: E Peresidena Biden, inaina au e hoopilikia ia oe. Pono mākou e hoʻopau i kēia kaua ma Ukraine. Pono mākou e hoʻoikaika i nā kūkākūkā. Makemake au e hoʻopilikia iā ʻoe, akā ke make nei nā kānaka.
AMY GOODMAN: ʻO ka Lāpule ma Wakinekona, DC, ua hoʻopaʻa ʻia ka Rage Against the War Machine ma ka Lincoln Memorial, kahi i kamaʻilio ai ka moho pelekikena mua o ka ʻaoʻao Green Party ʻo Jill Stein a me nā mea ʻē aʻe.
No nā mea hou aku e pili ana i ka huakaʻi kāhāhā a Biden i Ukraine i kēia lā, ua hui pū mākou ma Wakinekona, DC, e nā malihini ʻelua. ʻO Medea Benjamin ka mea nāna i hoʻokumu i CodePink, ka mea kākau o ka puke hou Ke Kaua ma Ukraine: Ke Manaʻo ʻana i kahi Kūʻē Kūʻē. ʻO mākou pū kekahi, ʻo Matt Duss, ka haumāna kipa ʻana ma ka Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, ka mea aʻoaʻo mua i nā kulekele ʻē aʻe iā Senatoa Bernie Sanders a me ka mea kākau kumu o kahi kauwahi in ʻO ka Repubalika hou poʻomanaʻo "A Better Biden Doctrine."
Aloha mākou iā ʻolua e hoʻi mai ʻO ka Democracy Nei! Matt Duss, e hoʻomaka me ʻoe. ʻO kāu pane i kēia mākaʻikaʻi pīhoihoi, ma mua o ka huakaʻi hoʻolaha i Polani, a Pelekikena Biden i hana ai i kēia lā, e hui me Volodymyr Zelensky ma ke kapikala ʻo Ukrainian Kyiv?
MATT DUSS: ʻOiaʻiʻo. A mahalo no kou kono ʻana mai iaʻu.
Manaʻo wau ʻo ka kipa ʻana a Pelekikena Biden i Kyiv, ua ʻike ʻoe, ua manaʻo maopopo ʻia e hōʻike i ke kākoʻo mau a me ka lōkahi me ka poʻe o Ukraine i ko mākou hoʻokokoke ʻana i ka makahiki hoʻokahi o ka hoʻouka kaua ʻana o Rūsia, a i ʻole ka hoʻouka kaua hou ʻana o Rusia, i ka lā 24 Pepeluali. . A ke manaʻo nei au, ʻike ʻoe, no kahi pelekikena ʻAmelika e hana i kahi huakaʻi e like me kēia he hōʻailona nui loa, inā, i nā lā a pau, i ka lā Pelekikena, ʻo ia - e ʻike pū me ka pelekikena o Ukraine. No laila, ke manaʻo nei au, ʻike ʻoe, e hiki mai ana ma hope - mau lā ma hope o ko mākou ʻike ʻana i kekahi mau luna hoʻomalu koʻikoʻi e hana ana i nā haʻiʻōlelo a me ka hoʻopaʻa ʻana i nā kūkākūkā ma ka Munich Security Conference, e hana pū ana me nā hoa pili a me nā hoa e hōʻike i ke kākoʻo hoʻomau, manaʻo wau ʻo ka kipa ʻana o ka pelekikena maoli. kau - kaha kaha ia ma ke ano nui.
AMY GOODMAN: A me ka hoolaha o ka oi, mea e like me ka hapalua o ka piliona dala o na mea kaua i Ukraine, nui?
MATT DUSS: Manaʻo wau, ʻike ʻoe, he mea nui ka hoʻokuʻu ʻana i nā kālā hou aʻe i hoʻokaʻawale ʻia. Manaʻo wau - ʻike ʻoe, akā ʻaʻole i hoʻohiki ka pelekikena i ka hoʻouna ʻana i nā ʻano kiʻekiʻe o nā mea kaua lōʻihi i hoʻomau ʻia e nā Ukrainians e noi. A ke manaʻo nei au e hōʻike ana i ke ala i hoʻokokoke ai ka pelekikena i kēia pilikia me kahi ana koʻikoʻi o ke kaohi.
ʻO ka ʻōlelo hope aʻu e ʻōlelo ai, ʻo ka pule i hala ua ʻike mākou i kahi hōʻike Ka Washington Post e pili ana i nā luna hoʻomalu like ʻole i ke kamaʻilio ʻana me kā lākou mau hoa Ukrainian, e hoʻomaopopo ana, ʻike ʻoe, i kēia - pono e loaʻa kahi manawa i kekahi manawa i nā mahina e hiki mai ana, me ka manaʻolana, no ka hiki ke loaʻa kahi manawa e hele ai i nā kūkākūkā. Hoʻomanaʻo nui lākou ʻaʻole hiki i ʻAmelika Hui Pū ʻIa a me kāna mau hoa ke hoʻomau i ka hoʻolako ʻana iā Ukraine i kēia manawa. No laila, manaʻo wau ua hōʻailona kēlā ʻatikala a mākou i ʻike ai i ka pule i hala i ka hoʻomaka ʻana e hoʻomākaukau i ke kaiapuni no nā kūkākūkā hope.
AMY GOODMAN: ʻO kēia ka Pelekikena Biden e kamaʻilio nei ma Kyiv ma mua o kona haʻalele ʻana.
PRESIDENT ʻO Joe ʻO BIDEN: ʻO ka hui pū ʻana, ua hana mākou ma kahi o 700 mau kaʻa a me nā kaukani o nā kaʻa kaua, 1,000 mau pūnaehana pū, ʻoi aku ma mua o 2 miliona mau pōʻai o nā pū, ʻoi aku ma mua o 50 mau ʻōnaehana hoʻokuʻu kiʻekiʻe, anti-moku a me nā ʻōnaehana pale ea, nā mea āpau e pale aku iā Ukraine. A ʻaʻole i helu ʻia ka hapalua piliona kālā a mākou e lilo ai - ke hoʻolaha nei mākou me ʻoe i kēia lā a ʻapōpō e hiki mai ana. A ʻo ia wale nō ʻo ʻAmelika Hui Pū ʻIa i kēia ʻāpana. A i kēia lā wale nō, ua hoʻokomo ʻia kēlā hoʻolaha ʻana i nā pū kī no HIMARS a me nā howitzers, ʻoi aku ka nui o nā Ihe, nā ʻōnaehana pale kaua, nā radar kiaʻi ea, e pale aku i ka poʻe Ukrainian mai nā pōʻino lewa. Ma hope o kēia pule, e hoʻolaha mākou i nā hoʻopaʻi hou aku i nā elites a me nā hui e hoʻāʻo nei e pale i nā hoʻopaʻi a hoʻihoʻi i ka mīkini kaua o Rūsia.
AMY GOODMAN: ʻO ia ka Pelekikena Biden e kamaʻilio nei ma kahi huakaʻi kahaha i Kyiv i kēia kakahiaka ma mua o ka holo ʻana i Warsaw, Polani. Ua hui pū mākou me Medea Benjamin, ka mea hoʻokumu o CodePink. Medea, ʻo kāu pane i ka huakaʻi a Pelekikena Biden a me kāna ʻōlelo i hana ai?
MEDEA BENIAMINA: ʻAe, manaʻo wau he hana hoʻolaha kēia e kākoʻo i ke kaua noʻonoʻo e hoʻomaka ana ka lehulehu o ʻAmelika e ʻike ʻaʻohe hopena i ʻike ʻia koe wale nō ka hoʻopau ʻole ʻana o nā ola. Ua ʻike mākou i kahi koho AP hou e hōʻike ana he 40% wale nō o ka poʻe ʻAmelika e makemake e hoʻouna hou aku i nā mea kaua i Ukraine. ʻIke mākou i nā kūʻē e kū nei ma ʻAmelika Hui Pū ʻIa, e like me ka mea i hana ʻia i nehinei, e hui pū ana i kahi ʻāpana ākea o ka poʻe. A ʻike mākou i nā kūʻē e kū nei ma ʻEulopa, kahi hui hou i kapa ʻia ʻo ʻEulopa no ka Maluhia e koi ana i kā lākou mau aupuni i ke kūkākūkā.
A ʻike mākou mai ʻAmelika Hui Pū ʻIa i kahi kūʻē mai Biden, e ʻōlelo ana e hoʻouna ana mākou i nā mea kaua hou aku. A, ʻoiaʻiʻo, ʻo Zelensky, i kēlā me kēia manawa e ʻae ʻo ʻAmelika e hoʻouna i kahi mea kaua hou, e like me nā kaʻa, a laila he noi ʻē aʻe, e like me nā jet fighter. A he aha ia mea ma hope o kēlā? Pūʻali koa.
Ke ʻōlelo nei ka lehulehu ʻAmelika, ka lehulehu ma ʻEulopa a me ke kaiāulu honua, "Pono mākou e ʻimi i kahi pane no kēia." ʻO ia ke kumu e hele ai ka luna diploma mai Kina i Rusia. Ua kokoke lākou e hoʻolaha i kahi hoʻolālā maluhia. Ke kāhea nei ka honua holoʻokoʻa i kahi hoʻolālā maluhia. Ua ʻike mākou i kēia me Pelekikena Lula mai Brazil, i hui pū me Biden. Ke koi nei ʻo Biden iā Brazil e hoʻouna i nā mea kaua i Ukraine. Ua ʻōlelo ʻo ia, “ʻAʻole mākou makemake e komo i kēia kaua. Makemake mākou e hoʻopau i kēia kaua.
AMY GOODMAN: Matt Duss, kāu pane i ka ʻōlelo a Medea Benjamin he kaua noʻonoʻo kēia?
MATT DUSS: ʻAe wau he kaua naʻaupō. He kaua naʻaupō ia i hoʻokumu ʻia e ka Pelekikena Lūkini Vladimir Putin. Ke ʻae nei au e makemake kākou a pau e hoʻopau i kēia kaua. Manaʻo wau ʻo ka poʻe makemake e hoʻopau i kēia kaua ʻoi aku ka nui o nā Ukrainians. Manaʻo wau ʻo ka nīnau: Ma lalo o nā kūlana hea e hiki ai iā mākou ke hoʻopau i kēia kaua ma ke ʻano paʻa a e hāʻawi ai i ka palekana hoʻomau, ʻaʻole hoʻomaha wale ma mua o ka hiki ʻana i kahi pōʻai ʻoi aku ka maikaʻi o ka hakakā? Manaʻo wau ʻo ia ke ʻano o ka hoʻokele Biden a hiki i kēia manawa, ʻo ia ka hiki i kahi i loaʻa iā ʻoe nā kūkākūkā maoli e hiki ai ke hana i kahi pau ʻana - inā ʻaʻole he kuʻikahi maluhia, kahi hoʻopau maoli i hoʻokō ʻia a paʻa. A, ua ʻike ʻoe, ʻoiaʻiʻo wau ke hāʻawi aku nei he nui nā hopohopo a me nā nīnau ma ka ʻaoʻao o ka poʻe he nui, e komo pū ana i loko o ka hoʻokele, e pili ana i ka lōʻihi e hiki ai kēia, a me ka hoʻomau ʻana i ka ʻimi ʻana i nā manawa kūpono no nā kūkākūkā aʻu i ʻōlelo ai ma mua. .
AMY GOODMAN: Ua ʻōlelo ʻo Matt, ka Pelekikena o Ukraine ʻo Volodymyr Zelensky, ke hoʻoholo nei ʻo ia i ka ʻāina kālepa no ka maluhia ma ke ʻano he ʻāpana o ka hoʻoholo ʻana me Putin. Ua hana ʻo ia i nā ʻōlelo i loko o kahi hālāwai ninaninau me ka BBC. ʻO kāu pane?
MATT DUSS: ʻIke ʻoe, manaʻo wau, mai ka manaʻo o Zelensky, he mea kūpono ia e ʻōlelo ai. A e hoʻomaopopo nō hoʻi au ma ke ʻano o ke kānāwai o ka honua, ʻo Ukraine a pau, me Crimea, ʻo ia kahi ʻāpana o Ukraine. I kēia manawa, inā hiki mākou i kahi o ka pau ʻana o ke ahi hiki ke hiki a paʻa, me ka ʻole o kēlā ʻano pahuhopu maximalist, manaʻo wau he mea ia e nānā pono ai mākou. ʻAʻole wau e manaʻo e kūkākūkā ma ka ʻaoʻao o ka Ukrainians - ʻaʻohe mea e hana i kēlā - akā manaʻo wau he makemake mākou i ka ʻimi ʻana, ʻike ʻoe, i ka hopena o kēia kaua. A ke manaʻo nei au ua maopopo ka hoʻokele e pili ana i kēlā, ʻoiai inā ʻaʻole makemake lākou e hele i mua, ma ka liʻiliʻi loa, i nā ʻōlelo hoʻolaha mai ka Pelekikena Ukrainian.
AMY GOODMAN: Medea Benjamin, inā hiki iā ʻoe ke pane i ka ʻōlelo a Matt? A ua kamaʻilio ʻoe e pili ana i ka kūʻē antiwar i nehinei ma Wakinekona, DC Ua hoʻomaka ʻoe ma ka - i hoʻonohonoho ʻia e ʻōlelo, akā ʻaʻole ʻoe i ʻōlelo. Ke nānā nei au i ke ʻano o nā tweets ma waena o ʻoe a me Ralph Nader, a ʻōlelo ʻo ia, "No ke aha ʻoe i ʻōlelo ʻole ai?" Hiki iā ʻoe ke wehewehe i nā mea e hana nei i loko o ka neʻe antiwar? Akā, e pane mua iā Mat.
MEDEA BENIAMINA: Manaʻo wau he moʻolelo ko US no ka hoʻāʻo ʻana e hoʻōki i ke kūkākūkā ʻana, ʻoi aku ka nui o nā mea i hana ʻia ma Malaki, hoʻokahi mahina ma hope o ka hoʻomaka ʻana o ke kaua, a ua hoʻoholo ke Komohana ʻaʻole lākou makemake e hana ʻo Zelensky i ʻaelike me Rusia. Manaʻo wau ʻo ka hoʻouna ʻana - ka hoʻouna mau ʻana i nā mea kaua e ʻōlelo ana iā Zelensky, "ʻAʻole pono ʻoe e kūkākūkā. Aia mākou ma hope o ʻoe 100%. ʻO ka US, ʻo kāna mea e hana ai ʻo ke kamaʻilio ʻana me nā Lūkini. ʻO Biden, ma mua o ka hana ʻana i kahi hōʻailona hōʻailona ma Kyiv, pono e hui me Putin, a pono lākou e kamaʻilio e pili ana i ka hoʻopau ʻana i kēia kaua.
ʻO ka pukana o ka huakaʻi i nehinei, he hui a laila he huakaʻi i ka Hale Keʻokeʻo, he mea hoihoi ia e Amy. ʻAʻole au i hele i kahi hui antiwar e like me ia. ʻAʻole makemake kaʻu hui, CodePink, iaʻu e ʻōlelo ma laila, no ka mea ʻaʻole lākou makemake i ka helu o nā mea haʻiʻōlelo a me ko lākou kūlana ma nā pilikia ʻē aʻe. Akā i ka manawa hea i loaʻa ai iā mākou kahi huakaʻi antiwar i hui pū ai iā Ron Paul, Tulsi Gabbard, Jill Stein, Dennis Kucinich, nā poʻe mai nā hiʻohiʻona politika like ʻole? A aia kekahi huakaʻi e hiki mai ana i ka lā 18 o Malaki, kahi e hui pū ai nā hui like ʻole. Manaʻo wau pono mākou i kēlā me kēia huakaʻi antiwar. A hauʻoli nō hoʻi au i ka Pōʻalua e loaʻa ana iā mākou kahi lā lobby ma ka ʻaha kūkā, e kono ana i nā poʻe o nā manaʻo politika āpau e hele mai e hālāwai me mākou ma ka hale ʻo Rayburn a hele i nā keʻena o kēlā me kēia lālā o ke komite lawelawe kaua ma ka ʻaha kūkā e ʻōlelo ai. , Ua lawa na mea kaua. Mai hoʻouna i nā mea kaua. E hoʻomaka e kūkākūkā. E ho'ōki i ka piʻi ʻana. E hoʻomaka e kūkākūkā." ʻO kēia ka ʻōlelo aʻu i manaʻo ai i kēia manawa ke makemake nei ka poʻe ʻAmelika e lawe iā mākou i ka ʻaha kūkā, ʻaʻohe mea i hana i ka hoʻolako ʻana i nā piliona a me nā piliona mea kaua e hoʻomau i kēia kaua, ke loaʻa ʻole ka lanakila ma ke kahua kaua.
A manaʻo wau he mea nui ia e ʻōlelo aku iā ʻoe, e Matt Duss, no ka mea, ʻaʻohe lanakila ma ke kahua kaua. Inā ʻae ʻoe i kēlā, no ke aha mākou e hoʻomau nei i kēia kaua?
AMY GOODMAN: Matt, kāu pane?
MATT DUSS: ʻOiaʻiʻo. ʻO koʻu manaʻo, ʻo ka mea mua, e wikiwiki wau, ʻike ʻoe, e kuhikuhi i kahi mea a Medea i ʻōlelo ai e pili ana i ka hoʻōki ʻana o ʻAmelika Hui Pū ʻIa. Ua ʻōlelo ʻo ia i nā kamaʻilio e hana nei ma Malaki a ma ʻApelila. A manaʻo wau ʻo ia - e paipai wau i ka poʻe nānā e nānā pono i kēlā, no ka mea, manaʻo wau he hōʻike ʻole loa ia a, ʻoiaʻiʻo, pololei ʻole o ka mea i hana maoli ʻia i kēlā kūlana, i kēlā mau kūkākūkā ma waena o nā Ukrainians a me nā Lūkini.
ʻIke ʻoe, no ka hoʻopau ʻana i ke kaua, e like me kaʻu i ʻōlelo ai, makemake wau e hoʻopau i kēia kaua. Makemake maoli ka poʻe Ukrainians e hoʻopau kēia kaua. Manaʻo wau e ʻae ana ʻaʻole hiki ke lanakila ma ke kahua kaua, ʻoiai inā e ʻae kekahi, aia nō ka hoʻopaʻapaʻa no ka hoʻomau ʻana i ke kākoʻo ʻana i nā Ukrainians no ka hoʻokumu ʻana i ke kūlana maikaʻi loa ma ke kahua kaua e hiki ai iā lākou, e hele mai i loko o nā kūkākūkā mai ka kūlana ikaika loa. ʻO ia, manaʻo wau, ke ʻano o ka hoʻokele Biden. ʻO ia ke ʻano o ko mākou mau hoa ʻEulopa. ʻAʻole ia e kāpae i nā kūkākūkā hope, ke hiki i kēlā mau kūkākūkā.
E hoʻomaopopo nō hoʻi au ua kamaʻilio ʻo Biden me nā Lūkini ma nā pae like ʻole, ʻoiai inā ʻaʻole mākou e ʻike i nā kelepona ma waena o Pelekikena Biden a me Pelekikena Putin. Nui nā hōʻike e pili ana i nā pilina ma nā pae like ʻole ma waena o nā luna o ʻAmelika Hui Pū ʻIa a me ko lākou mau hoa e ʻike i ka wā kūpono ke kūkākūkā ʻana a hiki ke hoʻokō i kekahi mea. Akā, i kēia manawa, ʻo Vladimir Putin ka mea i hōʻike ʻole i ka mākaukau no ia. A manaʻo wau he mea nui ia e ʻike.
MEDEA BENIAMINA: ʻAʻole pololei kēlā, Mat. A i ka hoʻi ʻana i nā kūkākūkā i hana ʻia ma Malaki, ʻaʻole i hōʻoia wale ʻia e nā luna Turkish e pili ana i nā kūkākūkā a me nā Ukrainians iā lākou iho, akā i kēia manawa ua loaʻa iā mākou ke Kuhina Nui ʻo Naftali Bennett mai ka ʻIseraʻela e ʻōlelo ana ua kāohi ke Komohana i kēia mau kūkākūkā.
A ma ke ʻano o ke kūkākūkā ʻana, manaʻo wau he mea hauʻoli loa i kēia manawa ua loaʻa iā mākou nā Kina e hele nei e kamaʻilio me Putin ma Rūsia a e hoʻolaha ana i kahi hoʻolālā maluhia. A ke manaʻo nei au e hōʻike ana ka Kina i ka mea a ke ao holoʻokoʻa e ʻike ai: hoʻōki i ka hakakā ʻana i kēia manawa. Ke ʻōlelo nei ʻoe, "Ahea ka manawa e kūkākūkā ai?" ʻAe, ua hala ka manawa no ke kūkākūkā ʻana. A ke manaʻo nei au i ke koi ʻana e hoʻouna i nā jet fighter - ʻo wau nei, ke hele nei mākou i ka hohonu a hohonu i ke kaua honua ʻekolu, i loko o ke kaua nuklea. A ke manaʻo nei au he mea weliweli ka poʻe ʻAmelika ʻo ia ke kuhikuhi a ko mākou aupuni e lawe nei iā mākou. A ʻo ke ola ʻo Ukrainian ke nalowale a kaumaha ʻia i kēlā me kēia lā ʻoiai ke hoʻāʻo nei ka US e hoʻonāwaliwali iā Rūsia. Ua lawa. Kūkākūkā i kēia manawa.
AMY GOODMAN: Makemake au e loaʻa ka pane a Matt iā Kina. Ua aʻo aku ʻo Hope Pelekikena Harris a me Kākau'ōlelo ʻo Antony Blinken iā Kina ma ka Munich Security Conference i kēia hopena pule e kūʻē i ka hāʻawi ʻana i ke kākoʻo iā Moscow, ʻoiai ua puka mai nā lono e hāʻawi ana ʻo Beijing i nā pūʻali koa Lūkini me ke kōkua pūʻali koa ʻole. Ua pane aku ʻo Beijing i nā hoʻoweliweli US ma mua o kēia lā.
Wang WENBIN: [Unuhi] ʻO ʻAmelika, ʻaʻole ʻo Kina, ka mea e hāʻawi nei i kahi kahe mau o nā mea kaua ma ke kahua kaua. ʻAʻole hiki i ʻAmelika Hui Pū ʻIa ke koi aku iā Kina. ʻAʻole loa mākou e ʻae i ka US e kuhikuhi ana i nā manamana lima i ka pilina Sino-Russian a i ʻole ke koi ʻana iā mākou.
AMY GOODMAN: ʻO ia ʻo Wang Wenbin, ka ʻōlelo a ke Kuhina Haole Kina. Matt Duss?
MATT DUSS: ʻO koʻu manaʻo, ʻaʻole hiki iā ʻoe ke hōʻole i kāna ʻōlelo. ʻO kaʻu manaʻo, ʻoiaʻiʻo, ua hoʻolako ʻo ʻAmelika i nā mea kaua. A ʻoi aku ka laulā, manaʻo wau aia - ʻike ʻoe, ʻo kahi ʻāpana o ka mea e hiki ai iā Kina ke hoʻohana i kāna ʻōlelo ponoʻī ʻo ka ʻoiaʻiʻo ʻo ʻAmelika kahi moʻolelo maikaʻi loa i kēia mau pilikia, e hoʻi ana i nā makahiki he nui. Hoʻohana ʻo ia i kahi pūʻulu holoʻokoʻa o nā kūlana ʻelua e pili ana i nā pilikia o ke kānāwai o ke ao holoʻokoʻa i ka wā e pili ana i ka launa pū ʻana me nā hoaaloha a me ka hana ʻana i nā ʻenemi. A ke manaʻo nei au he mau hoʻopaʻapaʻa kēia i loaʻa - ʻike ʻoe, loaʻa ka lehulehu ma ka honua, ʻoi aku ma ka Global South. I kēia manawa, ʻoiaʻiʻo, manaʻo wau aia ʻo Kina i kāna mau pilikia ponoʻī me kāna kulekele ʻē aʻe a ʻoiaʻiʻo hoʻi me kāna mau hana kūloko - ʻo kona hoʻopaʻa ʻana i nā Uyghurs, e kapa wale i kekahi o nā hana ʻino ʻē aʻe āna e hana nei - akā manaʻo wau ʻaʻole pono mākou e hoʻokuʻu i kēia. hoʻopaʻapaʻa.
I kēia manawa, no ka hana a Kina i ka hoʻoponopono ʻana i ka maluhia, ʻo wau iho, ke kānalua nui nei au e makemake ana ke aupuni Kina e hoʻokani i kahi hana waiwai maoli ma aneʻi. Loaʻa iā lākou ka mana me Vladimir Putin, ʻoiaʻiʻo. Ua lilo ʻo ia i hilinaʻi nui aʻe i ke kākoʻo mai ke aupuni Kina i ka wā o kēia kaua. Akā, e hoʻi ana i ka mea a Medea i ʻōlelo ai, ʻo Pelekikena Lula ʻo Brazil, ʻike ʻoe, ʻaʻole wau e hoʻokuʻu i ka hiki ke hana ʻo Lula i kahi hana huahua ma kēia. ʻO kēia kahi mea aʻu i manaʻo ai ʻo ʻAmelika Hui Pū ʻIa, ʻoiaʻiʻo, e makemake e hana pū me, inā ʻo ka pelekikena a me kāna alakaʻi ʻana, ma ka liʻiliʻi loa, i ʻōlelo ʻia he pono mākou e hana i kahi no nā poʻe ʻē aʻe e hana i kahi kuleana, ʻoiai nā alakaʻi mai ka Global South. , ma na mea pili honua. No laila, ke manaʻo nei au e makemake mākou, ʻike ʻoe, e ʻike inā hiki iā Lula ke hana i kekahi mea ma ʻaneʻi, ʻaʻole hoʻi e hoʻokuʻu i kēlā mea mai ka lima aku.
AMY GOODMAN: ʻAe, hāʻawi mākou iā ʻoe i ka ʻōlelo mua, Matt, no laila, Medea Benjamin, ka ʻōlelo hope.
MEDEA BENIAMINA: Manaʻo wau he mea hauʻoli loa ka hele ʻana mai o ka poʻe Kina me kahi hoʻolālā maluhia, no ka mea, ʻike mākou aia ʻo Putin ma luna o ia mea. A laila pono mākou e kiʻi i ka US a me Zelensky ma luna o ia mea. Manaʻo wau aia kēia pūnāwai nui loa e piʻi mai ana mai lalo a mai ka Global South e ʻōlelo ai, "Ua lawa. Pono mākou e ʻimi i kahi ala e hoʻopau ai i kēia. " Ke piʻi nui nei ka pōloli ma ka honua holoʻokoʻa. Ke piʻi nui nei nā kumukūʻai o ka ikehu. Ke hoʻohana ʻia nei ka ikehu lepo. ʻO ka manawa kēia e ʻimi ai i ka hopena. A ke manaʻo nei au i kēia manawa ʻo ke Komohana ke kūʻē i ke koena o ka honua e ʻōlelo nei, "E hoʻopau i kēia kaua i kēia manawa."
AMY GOODMAN: ʻO Medea Benjamin, ka mea nāna i hoʻokumu i CodePink. ʻO kāna puke, Ke Kaua ma Ukraine: Ke Manaʻo ʻana i kahi Kūʻē Kūʻē. A ʻo Matt Duss, ka haumāna kipa ma ka Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. E loulou mākou i kāu mea hou kauwahi, “A Better Biden Doctrine,” ma democracynow.org.
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