BIDIYO: Yurii Sheliazhenko kan Dimokuradiyya Yanzu Ya Ba da Shawarar Ba da Shawarwari ga Rikicin Rikicin da Ba Sojoji Ya Yi ba a Ukraine

AMY GOODMAN: wannan shi ne Democracy Now! Ni Amy Goodman ne, tare da Juan González.

Mun kawo karshen wasan kwaikwayon na yau a Kyiv, Ukraine, inda muke tare da Yurii Sheliazhenko. Shi ne sakataren zartarwa na Ƙungiyar Pacifist ta Ukrainian kuma memba a hukumar Tarayyar Turai don Ƙarfafa Ƙunar Lamiri. Yurii kuma memba ne a kwamitin gudanarwa a Duniya BABI Yaki da abokiyar bincike a KROK Jami'ar Kyiv, Ukraine. Ya yi ta bibiyar rahotanni daga birnin Kherson da ke kudancin kasar Ukraine, inda dakarun Rasha suka yi amfani da gurneti da kuma harba bindigogi wajen tarwatsa gungun daruruwan mutanen da suka taru a jiya Litinin domin nuna adawa da mamayar Rasha.

Yurii, barka da dawowa Democracy Now! Har yanzu kuna Kyiv. Za ku iya magana kan abin da ke faruwa a yanzu da abin da kuke kira? Kuma ina da sha’awa ta musamman, alal misali, a wani abu da ake ganin kusan an yi kira da a dakatar da zirga-zirgar jiragen sama, ta yadda Rasha ba za ta iya tada zaune tsaye ba, amma kasashen Yamma sun damu matuka da ganin an tabbatar da dokar hana zirga-zirgar jiragen sama, wato harbin bindiga. saukar da jiragen Rasha, zai haifar da yakin nukiliya, kuma menene matsayin ku akan wannan.

YURI SHELIAZHENKO: Na gode, Amy, da gaisuwa ga duk masu son zaman lafiya a duniya.

Tabbas, yankin da ba zai tashi tashi ba, martani ne na soja ga rikicin da ake ciki yanzu. Kuma abin da muke bukata ba shine tashin hankali da ƙarin makamai, ƙarin takunkumi, ƙarin ƙiyayya ga Rasha da China ba, amma, ba shakka, maimakon haka, muna buƙatar cikakkiyar tattaunawar zaman lafiya. Kuma, ka sani, Amurka ba ƙungiyar da ba ta da hannu a wannan rikici. Sabanin haka, wannan rikici ya wuce Ukraine. Yana da hanyoyi guda biyu: rikici tsakanin Yamma da Gabas da rikici tsakanin Rasha da Ukraine. Fadada NATO Ya kasance a baya ga cin zarafi na tarzoma a Kyiv ta - wanda kasashen Yamma suka dauki nauyi, 'yan kishin kasa na Ukraine a cikin 2014 da tashin hankali a Crimea da Donbas daga masu kishin kasa na Rasha da sojojin Rasha a wannan shekarar. Don haka, 2014, ba shakka, shekara ce da aka fara wannan rikici mai tsanani tsakanin - tun daga farko, tsakanin gwamnati da kuma tsakanin 'yan aware. Kuma a sa'an nan, bayan wani babban yaki, bayan kammala yarjejeniyar zaman lafiya, Minsk yarjejeniyoyin, wanda bangarorin biyu ba su bi, kuma mun ga haƙiƙa rahotanni na OSCE game da take hakkin tsagaita bude wuta a bangarorin biyu. Kuma an ci gaba da keta hurumin tsagaita wuta kafin Rasha ta mamaye kasar, wannan haramtacciyar mamayewar da Rasha ta yi wa Ukraine. Kuma gaba daya matsalar ita ce, ba a bi hanyar warware matsalar cikin lumana ba a wancan lokacin, wanda kwamitin sulhu na Majalisar Dinkin Duniya ya amince da shi. Kuma a yanzu mun ga cewa maimakon Biden, Zelensky, Putin, Xi Jinping ya zauna a teburin shawarwari guda ɗaya, suna tattauna yadda za a canza wannan duniya zuwa mafi kyau, don kawar da duk wani matsayi da kuma tabbatar da jituwa - maimakon haka, muna da wannan siyasa ta barazana daga. Amurka zuwa Rasha, daga Amurka zuwa China, wadannan bukatu na wayar da kan kungiyoyin fararen hula na Ukraine don kafa wannan yankin na hana zirga-zirga.

Kuma ta hanyar, ƙiyayya ce mai ban sha'awa ga Rashanci a cikin Ukraine, kuma wannan ƙiyayya tana yaduwa a duniya, ba kawai ga tsarin mulki ba amma ga mutanen Rasha, kuma. Amma mun ga cewa mutanen Rasha, da yawa daga cikinsu, suna adawa da wannan yaki. Kuma, ka sani, zan ba da kyauta - Ina godiya ga dukan mutane masu jaruntaka waɗanda suka nuna rashin amincewa da yaki da yakin basasa, mutanen da suka yi zanga-zangar adawa da mamayar Rasha na birnin Kherson na Ukraine. Kuma sojojin da suka mamaye, suka yi musu harbi. Abin kunya ne.

Ka sani, akwai mutane da yawa da ke bin hanyar rayuwa ta rashin tashin hankali a Ukraine. Adadin waɗanda suka ƙi shiga soja a ƙasarmu da imaninsu da suka yi hidimar dabam kafin su kai wa Rasha hari ya kai 1,659. Wannan lambar ta fito rahoton shekara ta 2021 a kan ƙin shiga soja saboda imaninsu, wanda Ofishin Turai don Ƙunar Ƙimar Lamiri ya buga. Rahoton ya kammala cewa Turai ba wuri ne mai aminci ba a cikin 2021 ga mutane da yawa da suka ƙi aikin soja a ƙasashe da yawa, a Ukraine, Rasha, da Crimea da Donbas da Rasha ta mamaye; a Turkiyya, yankin arewacin Cyprus da Turkiyya ta mamaye; a Azerbaijan; Armeniya; Belarus; da sauran kasashe. Waɗanda suka ƙi shiga soja da imaninsu suna fuskantar tuhuma, kama su, kotunan soja za su yi musu shari’a, ɗauri, tara, tsoratarwa, hari, barazanar kisa, wariya. A Ukraine, ana ɗaukar sukar sojoji da bayar da shawarwari na ƙin yarda da imaninsu a matsayin cin amana da kuma hukunta su. An kama dubunnan mutane tare da cin tarar mutane a wani gangamin adawa da yaki a Rasha.

Ina so in nakalto bayanin Harkar masu son zuciya zuwa aikin soja a Rasha daga wannan EBC Rahoton shekara-shekara: ambato, "Abin da ke faruwa a Ukraine yaki ne da Rasha ta kaddamar. Kungiyar Conscientious Objectors Movement ta yi Allah wadai da zaluncin sojojin Rasha. Da kuma kira ga Rasha da ta dakatar da yakin. Ƙungiyar Conscientious Objectors Movement ta yi kira ga sojojin Rasha da kada su shiga cikin tashin hankali. Kar ku zama masu laifin yaki. The Conscientious Objectors Movement yana kira ga duk wanda aka ɗauka da su ƙi aikin soja: neman madadin aikin farar hula, ko ƙoƙarin a keɓe shi bisa dalilai na likita, "ƙarshen maganar. Kuma, ba shakka, Ƙungiyar Pacifist ta Ukrainian ita ma ta yi Allah wadai da martanin soja na Ukraine da kuma wannan tsaikon shawarwarin, wanda muke gani a yanzu sakamakon neman mafita na soja.

Juan GONZÁLEZ: Yurii, Ina so in tambaye ka, saboda muna da sauran 'yan mintoci kaɗan - kuna magana game da shigar Amurka kai tsaye NATO riga. An samu rahotanni kadan, ba wai kan batun makaman da kasashen yammacin duniya ke baiwa kasar Ukraine ba, har ma, a fili, ta ainihin bayanan sa ido kan tauraron dan adam da watakila sojojin Ukraine ke karba daga kasashen yamma. Kuma hasashena shine, shekaru daga yanzu, za mu fahimci cewa hare-haren da jiragen sama marasa matuki suka kai kan sojojin Rasha ana kai su nesa ba kusa ba daga sansanonin Amurkawa a wurare kamar Nevada, ko ma cewa an riga an sami adadi mai yawa. CIA da dakarun soji na musamman a cikin Ukraine. Kamar yadda ka ce, akwai masu kishin kasa daga kowane bangare, daga Rasha, a Amurka da kuma Ukraine, wadanda suka rura wutar rikicin a halin yanzu. Ina mamakin ma'anar ku game da menene tsayin daka tsakanin mutanen Ukrainian ga wannan yakin. Yaya tartsatsi ya girma?

YURI SHELIAZHENKO: Ka sani, wannan ta'azzara ta samo asali ne daga turawa daga wadannan 'yan kwangilar soja. Mun san cewa Sakataren Tsaron Amurka Lloyd Austin yana da alaƙa da Raytheon. Ya kasance a cikin kwamitin gudanarwa. Kuma mun san cewa hannun jari na Raytheon yana da haɓaka 6% akan Kasuwancin Hannun jari na New York. Kuma suna ba da makamai masu linzami na Stinger ga Ukraine, mai kera makamai masu linzami na Javelin, [wanda ba a ji ba], yana da haɓakar 38%. Kuma, ba shakka, muna da wannan Lockheed Martin. Suna samar da jiragen yaki na F-35. Suna da girma na 14%. Kuma suna cin riba daga yaƙi, kuma suna yunƙurin yaƙi, har ma suna fatan samun riba mai yawa daga zubar da jini, daga halaka, kuma ko ta yaya ba za su kai ga girman yakin nukiliya ba.

Kuma ya kamata mutane su matsa wa gwamnati don tattaunawa maimakon fada. Akwai ayyuka da yawa game da yaƙi da yaƙi da ke faruwa a Amurka da Turai. Kuna iya samun sanarwa a cikin WorldBeyondWar.org Yanar Gizo a ƙarƙashin tutar, “Rasha Daga Ukraine. NATO Daga wanzuwa”. CodePink na ci gaba da kai karar Shugaba Biden da Majalisar Dokokin Amurka don yin shawarwari maimakon tada zaune tsaye. Har ila yau, zai zama taron duniya, "Dakatar da Lockheed Martin," a ranar 28 ga Afrilu. Coalition No to NATO sun sanar da cewa za su yi maci a watan Yuni 2022 don wannan da kuma adawa da NATO taro a Madrid. A Italiya, Movimento Nonviolento ya ƙaddamar da yaƙin ƙin yarda da imaninsa don haɗin kai tare da waɗanda suka ƙi saboda imaninsu, daftarin aiki, masu gudun hijira na Rasha da Ukrainian. A Turai, Turai don zaman lafiya ya ce masu ra'ayin wanzar da zaman lafiya na Turai suna ba da izini ga Putin da Zelensky: Dakatar da yakin nan da nan, ko kuma mutane za su shirya ayarin masu fafutukar neman zaman lafiya daga ko'ina cikin Turai, ta yin amfani da duk hanyoyin da za su bi don tafiya yankunan rikici ba tare da makamai ba don yin aiki. a matsayin masu wanzar da zaman lafiya a cikin mayaka. Game da zanga-zangar a Ukraine, alal misali, muna da wannan abin kunya -

AMY GOODMAN: Yurii, muna da daƙiƙa biyar.

YURI SHELIAZHENKO: Ee, Ina so in faɗi haka a takarda mai jigo “Ba wa maza masu shekaru 18 zuwa 60 ba tare da gogewar soja su bar Ukraine ba,” a kan OpenPetition.eu, sun tattara sa hannun 59,000.

AMY GOODMAN: Yurii, za mu bar shi a can, amma na gode sosai don kasancewa tare da mu. Yurii Sheliazhenko, babban sakataren kungiyar Pacifist na Ukraine.