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Pulitzer Kyauta-lashe wani dan jarida Seymour Hersh ya ce a wata hira da ya yi da cewa bai yarda cewa kungiyar leken asirin ta Amurka ta tabbatar da kararta cewa Shugaba Vladimir Putin ya ba da umarnin wani yunkurin satar mutane da nufin tabbatar da zaben Donald Trump ba. Ya caccaki kungiyoyin labarai saboda watsa labaran karya da ikirarin jami'an leken asirin Amurka a matsayin tabbatattun hujjoji.
Shugaban kungiyar Intercept Jeremy Scahill yayi magana da Seymour Hersh a gidansa da ke Washington, DC kwana biyu bayan rantsar da Donald Trump.
Hersh ta yi tir da kungiyoyin labarai da cewa "garin mahaukaci ne" saboda yadda suke gabatar da ayyukansu na darektan leken asirin kasa da kuma CIA, saboda irin bayanan da suke yi na yin karya da yaudarar jama'a.
Hersh ya ce "Hanyar da suka bi a kan kayan na Rasha ya wuce gona da iri," in ji Hersh lokacin da na zauna tare da shi a gidansa da ke Washington, DC, kwana biyu bayan an rantsar da Trump. “Sun kasance kawai don yarda da abubuwa. Kuma a lokacin da shugabannin leken asirin suka ba su wannan takaitaccen bayani game da zargin, maimakon su kai hari ga CIA saboda aikata hakan, wanda shi ne abin da zan yi, ”sun ruwaito shi a matsayin gaskiya. Hersh ta ce yawancin kungiyoyin labarai sun rasa wani muhimmin bangare na labarin: "yadda fadar White House za ta je da kuma ba wa hukumar damar bayyana a fili tare da tantancewar."
Hersh ta ce kafofin watsa labarai da yawa sun gaza wajen samar da mahallin lokacin da suke bayar da rahoto kan binciken leken asirin da aka gabatar a bainar jama'a a cikin rudanin zamanin gwamnatin Obama da ake cewa don sanya shakku kan cewa Shugaban Rasha Vladimir Putin ya ba da umarnin a yi kutse a kan DNC da manajan yakin neman zaben Clinton Imel ɗin Podesta.
An yanke shi sigar rahoton, wanda aka saki Janairu 7 kuma ya mamaye labarai tsawon kwanaki, ya zargi Putin "ya ba da umarnin yakin neman zabe a cikin 2016 da nufin zaben shugaban Amurka" kuma "ya yi fatan taimakawa Shugaba-zaban damar zaben Shugaba idan zai yiwu ta hanyar rarrabe Sakatariya Clinton da musayar jama'a a bainar jama'a. mata ba ta dace da shi ba. ”In ji rahoton, NSA aka ce ya kasance yana da ƙananan ƙarfin amincewa fiye da James Clapper da CIA game da ƙarshen yanke hukuncin cewa Rasha ta yi niyyar tasiri a zaben. Hersh ya ba da rahoton rahoton cike da tabbaci da kuma bakin ciki kan shaidu.
Hersh ya gaya wa kungiyar ta ce: “Menene ma'anar tantancewa? Ba haka bane kimanta bayanan sirri na kasa. Idan kuna da ainihin kimantawa, zaku sami disti biyar ko shida. Lokaci guda suka ce hukumomin 17 duk sun yarda. Ashe? Ma'aikatan Yankin Tekun da Sojan Sama - duk sun yarda da shi? Abin haushi ne kuma babu wanda ya yi wannan labarin. Nazari shine kawai ra'ayi. Idan suna da hujja, da sun ba ku. Nazari shine kawai. Imani ne. Kuma sun yi shi sau da yawa. ”
Hersh ya kuma yi tambaya game da lokacin da Amurka za ta yi wa Trump bayani kan binciken da Rasha ta gano. “Suna kai shi ga wani mutumin da zai zama shugaban kasa nan da‘ yan kwanaki, suna ba shi irin wannan kayan, kuma suna ganin wannan wata hanya ce da za ta inganta duniya? Zai sa shi ya zama goro - zai sa ni tafi goro. Wataƙila ba shi da wahala a sa shi ya ci goro. ” Hersh ya ce idan da ya kasance yana ba da labarin ne, “Da na sanya [John] Brennan ya zama buffoon. Buffoon yapping a cikin 'yan kwanakin nan. Madadin haka, an bayar da rahoton komai da muhimmanci. ”
'Yan jarida kalilan ne a duniya suka san labarin CIA da duhun Amurka fiye da Hersh. Jaridar almara ta karye labarin na kisan kiyashin My Lai a Vietnam, Abu Ghraib azabtarwa, da kuma bayanan sirrin shirin kisan Bush-Cheney.
A cikin 1970s, yayin binciken Kwamitin Coci a kan hannun CIA a cikin juyin mulki da kisan gilla, Dick Cheney - a lokacin babban mai taimaka wa Shugaba Gerald Ford - ya matsa wa FBI ta bi Hersh kuma ta nemi gurfana a kansa da New York Times . Cheney da Shugaban Fadar White House a lokacin Donald Rumsfeld sun fusata da Hersh ta ba da rahoto, bisa ga bayanai daga tushe, a rufe sanya wuta cikin ruwan Soviet. Sun kuma nemi fansa don Hersh bayyana a kan leken asirin cikin gida ta CIA. Manufar yin niyya ga Hersh zai zama tsoratar da sauran 'yan jaridu daga fallasa ayyukan asirce ko rikice-rikice da Fadar White House ta yi. Babban lauyan ya ƙi amincewa da buƙatun Cheney, cewa shi "zai sanya tambarin gaskiya a cikin labarin."
Sakataren yada labarai na fadar White House Sean Spicer ya kira mai rahoto yayin tattaunawar yau da kullun a Fadar White House a Washington, Jan. 24, 2017.
Hoto: Susan Walsh / AP
Duk da cewa ya yi kakkausar suka game da batun murkushe Rasha, Hersh ya yi Allah wadai da harin da gwamnatin Trump ta yi a kan kafafen yada labarai da barazanar ta ta iyakance ikon ‘yan jarida na rufe fadar ta White House. "Harin da aka kaiwa manema labarai kai tsaye ne daga tsarin gurguzu na kasa," in ji shi. "Dole ne ku koma cikin 1930s. Abu na farko da kuke yi shine lalata kafofin watsa labarai. Kuma me zai yi? Yana zuwa ya tsoratar dasu. Gaskiyar ita ce, Kundin Tsarin Farko abu ne mai ban mamaki kuma idan kuka fara bibiya da yadda suke - Ina fata ba su yin hakan ta hanyar - wannan zai zama da gaske yana da tasiri. Zai shiga wahala. ”
Hersh ya kuma ce ya damu matuka da Trump da gwamnatinsa suna daukar madafan iko a kan dimbin albarkatu na gwamnatin Amurka. "Ina iya fada muku, abokaina na ciki sun riga sun gaya mani cewa za a sami babban ci gaba a harkar tsaro, karuwa mai yawa a cikin sa ido a gida," in ji shi. Ya ba da shawarar duk wanda ya damu da amfanin sirri aikace-aikacen ɓoye da sauran hanyoyin kariya. "Idan baka da sigina, zaifi kyau a sami alama."
Yayin da take bayyana fargaba game da ajandar Trump, Hersh ta kuma kira Trump da cewa “mai iya kawo cikas” ga tsarin siyasa na bangarorin biyu a Amurka “Tunanin wani ya watse, kuma ya haifar da shakku kan yiwuwar tsarin jam’iyyar, musamman ma Jam'iyyar Democratic, ba mummunan ra'ayi bane, "in ji Hersh. “Wannan wani abu ne da za mu iya ci gaba da shi a nan gaba. Amma ya kamata mu gano abin da za mu yi nan da wasu shekaru masu zuwa. ” Ya kara da cewa: "Ba na jin ra'ayin dimokiradiyya zai taba zama mai gwaji kamar yadda yake a yanzu."
A cikin 'yan shekarun nan, Hersh an takura shi saboda rahoton bincikensa game da manufofi da ayyuka daban-daban da gwamnatin Obama ta ba da izini, amma bai taba yin watsi da tsarinsa ba na aikin jarida. Nasa rahoton kan hari wanda ya kashe Osama bin Laden ya saba wa labarin gwamnatin, da na sa Bincike kan amfani da makami mai guba a Siriya ya sanya shakku kan ikirarin hukuma cewa Bashar al Assad ya ba da umarnin kai hare-hare. Kodayake ya samu lambobin yabo da yawa kan aikinsa, Hersh ya ce yabo da tofin Allah tsine ba su da tasiri a aikinsa na dan jarida.
Za a iya saurarar hirar Jeremy Scahill da Seymour Hersh akan sabon faifan bidiyon mako-mako, An kama, wanda farawa Janairu 25.
