by Democracy Yanzu, Satumba 1, 2021
Cikakken bidiyo anan: https://www.democracynow.org/shows/2021/8/31?autostart=true
Yayin da Amurka ta kawo karshen zaman sojinta a Afghanistan bayan shekaru 20 na mamaya da yaƙi, Kudin Yaƙin Yaƙi ya kiyasta ya kashe sama da dala tiriliyan 2.2 a Afghanistan da Pakistan, kuma ta ƙidaya ɗaya, sama da mutane 170,000 suka mutu yayin yaƙin a cikin biyun da suka gabata. shekarun da suka gabata. Kathy Kelly, mai fafutukar wanzar da zaman lafiya na tsawon lokaci wanda ya yi balaguro zuwa Afganistan sau da dama kuma ya jagoranci yakin Ban Killer Drones, ya ce yana da mahimmanci a ci gaba da mai da hankali kan al'ummomin Afghanistan. Kelly ya ce "Duk wanda ke cikin Amurka da kowace ƙasa da ta mamaye Afghanistan kuma ta mamaye ta ya kamata ta yi ramuwar gayya." "Ba wai kawai rarar kuɗi ba ne ga mummunan barnar da ta haifar, har ma don magance… tsarin yaƙin da yakamata a keɓe da wargaza shi."
AMY GOODMAN: wannan shi ne Democracy Now!, democracynow.org, Rundunar War da Aminci. Ni Amy Goodman, tare da Juan González.
Sojojin Amurka da dakarun diflomasiyya sun janye daga Afghanistan gabanin tsakar dare agogon gida a Kabul daren Litinin. Yayin da ake bayyana matakin a matsayin karshen yakin mafi tsawo a tarihin Amurka, wasu na gargadin cewa yakin ba zai kare da gaske ba. A ranar Lahadi, Sakataren Harkokin Wajen Tony Blinken ya bayyana Ku gana da Latsa kuma sun tattauna hanyoyin da Amurka za ta iya ci gaba da kai wa Afghanistan hari bayan da sojoji suka janye.
SAURARA OF STATE KYAUTATA BLINKEN: Muna da karfin gwiwa a duk duniya, gami da Afghanistan, mu dauka - ganowa da kai hare -hare kan 'yan ta'adda da ke son yi mana barna. Kuma kamar yadda kuka sani, a cikin ƙasa bayan ƙasa, gami da wurare kamar Yemen, kamar Somalia, manyan sassan Siriya, Libya, wuraren da ba mu da takalmi a ƙasa akan kowane irin ci gaba, muna da ikon bin mutanen da ke kokarin yi mana illa. Za mu riƙe wannan ƙarfin a Afghanistan.
AMY GOODMAN: A cikin Afrilu, The New York Times ruwaito Ana sa ran Amurka za ta ci gaba da dogaro da wani, ambato, “hadewar inuwa ta rundunonin Sojoji na Musamman, 'yan kwangila na Pentagon da jami'an leken asiri" a cikin Afghanistan. Ba a san yadda wadannan tsare -tsaren suka canza ba bayan karbe ikon Taliban.
Don ƙarin, mai fafutukar neman zaman lafiya Kathy Kelly ta haɗu da mu a Chicago. An ba ta suna don lambar yabo ta zaman lafiya ta Nobel sau da yawa. Ta yi balaguro zuwa Afghanistan sau da yawa.
Kathy, barka da dawowa Democracy Now! Shin za ku iya farawa ta hanyar ba da amsa ga abin da ake yabawa a jaridun Amurka yayin da yaƙi mafi tsawo a tarihin Amurka ya ƙare?
KATHY KYAUTATA: To, Ann Jones ya taba rubuta wani littafi mai suna Yaƙi bai daɗe lokacin da ya wuce. Tabbas, ga mutanen da ke Afghanistan, waɗanda wannan yaƙin ya shafe su, ta yanayin mummunan fari na shekaru biyu, raƙuman ruwa na uku Covid, mummunan yanayin tattalin arziki, har yanzu suna shan wahala sosai.
Kuma hare -haren jiragen, ina tsammanin, alamu ne cewa - waɗannan hare -haren na baya -bayan nan, cewa Amurka ba ta ajiye niyyarta ta ci gaba da yin amfani da abin da suka kira ƙarfi da madaidaici ba, amma abin da Daniel Hale, wanda yanzu ke gidan yari , ya nuna kashi 90% na lokacin bai kai ga waɗanda aka nufa ba. Kuma wannan zai haifar da karin son rai da ramuwar gayya da zubar da jini.
Juan GONZÁLEZ: Kuma, Kathy, ina so in tambaye ku, dangane da wannan - kuna jin cewa jama'ar Amurka za su zana mafi kyawun darussa daga wannan mummunan halin da ake ciki a Afghanistan, wannan rashin nasara ga Amurka da mamayarta? Bayan mun gani yanzu tsawon shekaru 70 sojojin Amurka suna motsawa a cikin waɗannan ayyukan, daga Koriya zuwa Vietnam zuwa Libya zuwa - Balkans shine kawai abin da Amurka zata iya faɗi da'awar nasara. An yi bala'i bayan bala'i, yanzu Afghanistan. Wane darasi kuke fatan alummar mu za su koya daga wadannan munanan ayyuka?
KATHY KYAUTATA: Da kyau, Juan, kun sani, ina tsammanin kalmomin Ibrahim Heschel sun shafi: Wasu suna da laifi; duk suna da lissafi. Ina tsammanin duk wanda ke cikin Amurka da kowace ƙasa da ta mamaye da mamaye Afghanistan ya kamata ya yi ramuwar gayya kuma da gaske yana neman hakan, ba wai kawai ramuwar kuɗi ba ne don mummunan lalacewar da aka haifar, har ma don magance tsarin da kuka ambata kawai ya buga. a cikin ƙasa bayan ƙasa, tsarin yaƙin da yakamata a ware kuma a rusa shi. Wannan shine darasin da nake tsammanin mutanen Amurka suna buƙatar koya. Amma, kun sani, mafi yawan labarai a cikin makwanni biyu da suka gabata ta hanyar manyan kafofin watsa labarai na Afghanistan fiye da yadda aka samu a cikin shekaru 20 da suka gabata, don haka mutane ba sa ba da tallafi ta hanyar kafofin watsa labarai dangane da fahimtar sakamakon yaƙe -yaƙen mu.
AMY GOODMAN: Ba ku cikin kasuwancin, Kathy, na yaba wa shugabannin Amurka idan ya zo yaki. Kuma wannan shine shugaban Amurka ɗaya bayan ɗaya, ina tsammanin, aƙalla, gabaɗaya. Kuna tsammanin Biden yana da ƙarfin hali na siyasa don ficewa, har zuwa lokacin da suke, a bainar jama'a, sojojin Amurka na ƙarshe, hoton da Pentagon ta aika, wanda janar ɗin ya hau jirgin jigilar kaya na ƙarshe ya tafi?
KATHY KYAUTATA: Ina tsammanin da Shugaba Biden ya ce shi ma zai yi adawa da roƙon Sojojin Sama na Amurka na dala biliyan 10 don ba da damar kai hare-hare sama-sama, wannan zai zama irin ƙarfin hali na siyasa da muke buƙatar gani. Muna buƙatar shugaban ƙasa wanda zai tsaya kan kamfanonin kwangilar sojoji waɗanda ke yin biliyoyin ta hanyar sayar da makamansu, kuma su ce, "Mun gama da shi duka." Irin jajircewar siyasa muke bukata.
AMY GOODMAN: Kuma hare-hare sama-sama, ga mutanen da ba su san wannan kalma ba, me ake nufi, ta yaya aka kafa Amurka don kai farmaki Afghanistan yanzu daga waje?
KATHY KYAUTATA: Da kyau, dala biliyan 10 da Sojojin Sama na Amurka za su buƙaci za su ci gaba da kula da ayyukan jirage marasa matuka da kai hari da ƙarfin jirage marasa matuka da ƙarfin jirgin sama a Kuwait, da Hadaddiyar Daular Larabawa, a Qatar da cikin jirgin sama da tsakiyar teku. Sabili da haka, wannan koyaushe zai ba da damar Amurka ta ci gaba da kai farmaki, galibi mutanen da ba waɗanda aka yi niyya ba, da kuma cewa ga kowace ƙasa a yankin, "Har yanzu muna nan."
AMY GOODMAN: Muna gode muku, Kathy, don kasancewa tare da mu. Daƙiƙa goma akan ramawa. Yaya zai kasance, lokacin da kuka ce Amurka tana bin mutanen Afganistan diyya?
KATHY KYAUTATA: Babban adadin kuɗaɗen da Amurka da duk waɗanda suka saka NATO ƙasashe cikin wataƙila asusun ajiyar kuɗi, wanda ba zai kasance ƙarƙashin jagora ko rarraba Amurka ba. Tuni Amurka ta nuna cewa ba za ta iya yin hakan ba tare da cin hanci da rashawa ba. Amma ina tsammanin dole ne mu nemi Majalisar Dinkin Duniya da ƙungiyoyin da ke da suna don samun damar taimakawa mutane da gaske a Afghanistan, sannan kuma a biya su ta hanyar wargaza tsarin yaƙi.
AMY GOODMAN: Kathy Kelly, mai fafutukar neman zaman lafiya da daɗewa kuma marubuci, ɗaya daga cikin membobin kafa Muryoyi a cikin jeji, daga baya Voices for Creative Nonviolence, da kuma co-coordinator na Ban Killer Drones campaign da memba na World Beyond War. Ta je Afghanistan kusan sau 30.
Na gaba, New Orleans a cikin duhu bayan Hurricane Ida. Zauna tare da mu.
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AMY GOODMAN: "Waƙar don George" ta Mat Callahan da Yvonne Moore. Yau ita ce ranar ƙarshe ta Black August don tunawa da mayaƙan 'yanci na Baƙi. Kuma wannan watan ya cika shekaru hamsin da kisan gillar da aka yiwa dan fafutuka kuma fursuna George Jackson. Taskar 'Yanci na da wallafa jerin littattafai 99 da George Jackson ke da su a cikin dakinsa.
