Mawallafi mai suna Oscar-James Cromwell ya yi Magana kafin lokacin yarin da ake yi na Fuskantar da Kwayoyin lafiya

AMY GOODMAN: Wani dan wasan kwaikwayo na Oscar, James Cromwell, yana bayar da rahoto ga kurkuku a 4: 00 a yammacin gabas na zamani a jihar New York, bayan da aka yanke masa hukunci a mako guda bayan kotu don shiga cikin zanga-zangar nuna rashin amincewa game da wutar lantarki ta hanyar wutar lantarki. Cromwell ya ce zai sake kaddamar da kisa. Ya kasance daya daga cikin 'yan gwagwarmaya shida da aka kama don hana shinge a zama a waje da gine-ginen 650-megawatt a Wawayanda, New York, ƙauyen, Disamba 2015. Masu gwagwarmaya sun ce shuka zai bunkasa gas din gaji a cikin jihohin makwabta da kuma taimakawa wajen canjin yanayi.

An san James Cromwell sosai a matsayinsa a wasu fina-finan 50 Hollywood, wanda aka zaba don Oscar Babe, da kuma yawan shirye-shirye na TV, ciki har da Kashi shida a ƙarƙashin. Na yi magana da shi ranar Alhamis tare da daya daga cikin wadanda ake zargi da su a gidan yari a yau, da kuma Pramilla Malick, wanda ya kafa yankin Orange County County, wata ƙungiya ta jagorancin adawa da wutar lantarki. Ta gudu a 2016 don majalisar dattijai ta New York. Na fara da tambayar James Cromwell game da dalilin da yasa zai je kurkuku a yau.

JAMES CROMWELL: Mu, duk mu, muna cikin gwagwarmaya, ba don kare hanyar rayuwa ba, amma don kare rayuwar kanta. Cibiyoyinmu sun kasance bankrupt. Shugabanninmu suna da cikakkun bayanai. Kuma jama'a suna da mummunar lalacewa kuma suna damu da dukan tsari. Akwai haɗin kai tsaye a tsakanin shuka a Minisink-

AMY GOODMAN: Ina Minisink?

JAMES CROMWELL: A Wawayanda. Yana da a New York. Sun kira shi a ƙasa. Ba ya wuce nisa da iyakar yankin New Jersey. Tsakanin shuka da Gabas ta Tsakiya. Muna cikin yaki ba kawai tare da Iraki da Siriya da Afghanistan da Yemen ba. Muna yaƙi da Dimock, Pennsylvania, inda gas ya fito, tare da Wawayanda, wanda ke amfani da iskar gas, tare da Tekun Seneca, inda za'a ajiye shi, da kuma Dutsen Stand.

Kuma lokaci ne, a zahiri, da sunan sunan cutar. Yawancin mutane ba za su iya sanya yatsan su a kan hanyar ba, amma kowa yana ganin barazanar. Capitalism ne ciwon daji. Kuma hanyar da za ta magance wannan ciwon daji shine ta gaba daya, ta hanyar canza rayuwar mu da kuma yadda muke tunanin kanmu. Kuma ina kiran wannan canji mai saurin gaske. To wannan ne juyin juya hali.

NERMEEN SHAIKH: Don haka, bayyana abin da mahaɗin ke. Sanarwar ka ce, abin da ke faruwa ne, Amurka ke yi, a Gabas ta Tsakiya, da kuma abin da ke faruwa a New York da kuma tsaye na Rock da sauransu.

JAMES CROMWELL: Wannan kamfani ya gina ta wanda kamfani ne kawai yake haifar da riba. Babu buƙatar wutar lantarki, kuma hanyar samar da wutar lantarki ba shi da amfani ga rayuwa a cikin al'umma. Kuma a yanzu, wannan gari ne mai zurfi, domin zai kasance tasiri ga mutanen New York. Dukkanin kwayoyin da ke fitowa daga cikin wadannan smokestacks suna da iska a New York City. Don haka kowa ya shafi.

Yanzu, an yi hakan ne saboda muna ƙoƙarin samun 'yancin kai na makamashi. Wannan makamashin da muke ƙoƙarin cin gashin kansa daga gas da man da ya fito daga Gabas ta Tsakiya. Lokacin da Gabas ta Tsakiya ta fara matsawa zuwa gwamnatocin dimokiradiyya, gwamnatin Amurka da sauran gwamnatoci, Burtaniya, Faransa, duk masu mulkin mallaka, sun ce, “A'a, a'a, a'a. Ba ku karkata zuwa dimokuradiyya, domin idan kuka matsa zuwa dimokuradiyya, kuna yin barazanar samun damarmu da karfin ku. ” Sabili da haka, sun lalata, ta hanyoyin su marasa kyau.

Kuma a ƙarshe, wannan ya jagoranci ga-mun halitta Ísis. Mu, jama'ar Amirka, sun halitta Ísis, don magance wani abu dabam-kuskuren da muka yi tare da mujahideen a Afghanistan. Kuma wannan shine kare dukiyarmu. Idan ka dubi Mr. Tillerson, Mr. Tillerson yana zaune ne a kan rabin dala biliyan na 'yan kasuwa tare da Rasha. Sabili da haka, yana da-

AMY GOODMAN: Lokacin da yake Shugaba na ExxonMobil.

JAMES CROMWELL: Lokacin da yake Shugaba, wanda har yanzu yana jiran. Zai iya rinjayar kamfanoni. Zai iya rinjayar kamfaninsa, da zarar an cire shi. Don haka, ina cewa akwai alaka, lokacin da kuke magana game da makamashi. Ana buƙatar makamashi a duk faɗin duniya kuma an samo shi ne a wasu wurare. Yanzu muna samar da makamashi ta hanyar busawa duniya da kuma karbar kwayar methane, wanda ba shi da lafiya ga lafiyar jiki. Kuma muna sakin cewa ta hanyar bututun. Babban manufar shi, duk da haka, ba don ikon wutar lantarki ba. Sakamakon aikawa zuwa Kanada zuwa lacquy, inda zasu iya samun riba sau shida fiye da sayarwa wannan iskar gas fiye da yadda zasu iya a Amurka.

AMY GOODMAN: Don haka, bari in tambaye ku abin da ya faru kusan kusan shekaru biyu da suka wuce. Ina nufin, za ku je kurkuku a yanzu, amma aikin da kuka yi shi ne Yuni 2015. Faɗa mana inda kuka tafi da abin da kuka yi.

JAMES CROMWELL: Mun ci gaba da nuna rashin amincewa ga tsire-tsire a gaban wannan tsire-tsire wanda aka gina-an gina shi na shekaru biyu da rabi na karshe. Kuma wannan ya faru ne-mutane da yawa da suka wuce sun ba da ƙaho a cikin goyon baya, amma babu abin da ya faru. Mun yi kokari-

AMY GOODMAN: Kuma wannan wata shuka-

JAMES CROMWELL: Yana da tsire-tsire, tsire-tsire na wutar lantarki, wanda ke nufin sun shigo da gas daga Pennsylvania.

AMY GOODMAN: Kuma su ne?

JAMES CROMWELL: To, wancan ne-wannan shi ne-

AMY GOODMAN: Kamfani ne?

JAMES CROMWELL: Kasuwancin Kasuwanci na Gaskiya yana gina ginin.

AMY GOODMAN: CPV.

JAMES CROMWELL: Amma akwai Kwayar Millennium, wanda Pramilla ya san da yawa game da, wanda yake da wannan. Yana da mambobi uku masu girma: Mitsubishi, GE da Credit Suisse. Yanzu, menene wadannan manyan manyan kamfanoni uku zasu kasance masu sha'awar wannan tsire-tsire, tsire-tsire-tsire-tsire, ko da yake yanci? Abin da suke sha'awa sosai, shi ne ainihin abubuwan da ke faruwa na 300. Idan an gina wannan inji kuma ta samu a kan layi, babu wani dalili don kada a gina wasu daga cikin wadannan tsire-tsire. Mun yi imanin cewa wannan yana buƙatar tsayawa, idan kuna son dakatar da dukkanin kayan haɓaka da haɓakawa da kuma tasirin mu.

AMY GOODMAN: Saboda haka abin da kuka yi?

JAMES CROMWELL: Mun zo da hankali tare da ra'ayinmu don sakin kanmu tare. Mun ɗaure kanmu tare da akwatunan keke, kuma mun katange ƙofar shuka don kimanin-bisa ga laifin, game da minti 27. Kuma alƙali da masu gabatar da kara sun kasance suna nuna cewa ba shi da wani bambanci ga abin da ya faru da wannan shuka. Amma yana yin bambanci. Abin da muke ƙoƙarin fita shine saƙon cewa wannan wani misali ne, amma yana faruwa a duk wannan ƙasa da kuma duk faɗin duniya. Suna yaki ne a Ingila. Suna yaki ne a duk faɗin duniya.

NERMEEN SHAIKH: Don haka, Pramilla, za ku iya magana game da abin da wannan shuka yake, yadda kuka kasance a cikin zanga-zangar, abin da aka tsara wannan injin da abin da kuke tsammani tasirin lafiyar jama'a zai kasance, idan an gina shi?

PRAMILLA MALICK: Saboda haka, wannan ita ce fasahar wutar lantarki XASUMX-megawatt. Zai dogara ne ga mutum ɗari zuwa 650 rijiyoyi a cikin shekara. Don haka mun san cewa, a Pennsylvania, yawan yawan mace-mace na haihuwa, suna karuwa. Ciwon canji yana karuwa. Aquifers suna samun gurbata. Amma tare da wannan, lafiyar na tasiri ta tafiya tare da cibiyar sadarwa. Don haka ina zaune a kusa da tashar compressor, kuma mun riga mun rubuta tasirin lafiya a cikin jama'ata, a Minisink, na hanci, ciwon kai, rashes, alamomin daji.

AMY GOODMAN: Kuma wannan shi ne sakamakon?

PRAMILLA MALICK: Bayyanawa ga tashar mai kwakwalwa na gas, Ƙarjin komis ɗin Minisink. Kuma wannan takardun ya rubuta ta hanyar masana kimiyya. Don haka, ka sani, fasaha ya zama sabon sabo, kuma mutane kawai sun fara masana kimiyya suna kokarin tseren fahimtar abin da ke gudana. Amma al'ummomin gaba-gaba, kamar namu, muna jin hakan. Mun gani. Mun san cewa akwai tasirin lafiya. Kuma-

AMY GOODMAN: Sabili da haka, ta yaya kuka shiga wannan gwajin Yuni na 2015, kuma me kuka yi?

PRAMILLA MALICK: Na kuma kulle kaina, tare da James Cromwell da Madeline Shaw.

AMY GOODMAN: Kuma Madeline Shaw ne?

PRAMILLA MALICK: Ita ce tsofaffi ne da ke zaune a cikin al'umma. Ta damu sosai saboda ta ji cewa za ta bar gidan da ta zauna tun lokacin 1949, idan an gina wannan injin.

AMY GOODMAN: James ya ambaci tsibirin Seneca. A halin yanzu, babu wata nasara ta 'yan kwangila da suka tsaya a nan gaba?

PRAMILLA MALICK: Ee.

AMY GOODMAN: Kuma ta yaya wannan ya danganci abin da kake ƙoƙari ya daina?

PRAMILLA MALICK: To, sun kasance kamar matsayi kamar yadda muka kasance, a cikin ma'anar cewa sun shiga ka'idojin tsari, sun yi farin ciki, sun yanke hukunci, sun yi kira ga dukan masu zababbun shugaban su, kuma ba su sami wani wuri ba. Don haka suka fara yin rashin biyayya. Kuma ina tsammanin wannan ya haifar da matsin lamba game da kamfanin cewa kamfanin ya dakatar da aikace-aikacen su don wannan wurin ajiya. Amma idan ka amince da kayan wutar lantarki na 650-megawatt - kuma ina tunatar da mutane cewa wannan shine - wannan Gwamnatin jihar New York ce ta amince da ita, ta Gwamnanmu Cuomo, wanda ya dakatar da rikici, ya nuna mummunan tasirin lafiya, duk da haka ya amince da wannan shuka wannan zai haifar da kuma dogara ga dubban sababbin rijiyoyi masu banƙwasa a cikin rayuwarsa. Ba mu buƙatar wannan wutar lantarki ba. Amma an gina ta ta wata hanya.

Kuma, ka sani, shirin biliyan biliyan ne. Amma hakan zai shafe mu, in ji masana kimiyya-kuma wannan shine dalilin da yasa muka shiga rashin biyayya, kuma muna da gwaji wanda muka iya kawo masana kimiyya don shaida. Zai kashe jama'a $ 940 miliyan a kowace shekara a halin kaka da lafiyar kayan aiki da sauran farashin tattalin arziki. Kuma zai kara yawan iskar gas daga jiharmu ta hanyar wucewar 10 bisa dari ga dukkanin wutar lantarki na jihar New York.

AMY GOODMAN: James Cromwell, za ku iya biya kawai, amma kuna da za ku tafi kurkuku. Har yaushe za ku je kurkuku? Kuma me yasa kake yin haka?

JAMES CROMWELL: An yanke mana hukunci na kwana bakwai. Yana da damar yin amfani da makaman gwargwadon tsawon lokacin da muke aiki. Wani lokaci zaka tashi don kyawawan halaye. Ban sani ba. Ina shirin kwana bakwai. Dalilin da yasa nayi hakan kuwa shine, Ba zan iya tabbatar da rashin adalcin abin da nake tsammanin rashin adalci ne ba kuma hukunci mai sauƙi. Don haka, ina tsammanin zuwa kurkuku sanarwa ce game da yadda za mu daga wasanmu. Ba shi da kyau sosai kawai don zaba da roko, saboda babu wanda ke saurare. Hanyar da mutane ke isar da sako shine kuna aikata rashin biyayya. Abinda Tim DeChristopher yayi kenan, da yawa-duk mutanen Dutsen Tsaye. Wannan shine dalilin Dutsen Dutsen. Bayyanannen Dutsen Dutsen shi ne dattawa-domin na kasance a can — dattawa suna cewa, “Wannan shi ne sansanin addu’a.” Watau, ta fito ne daga ruhunmu na ciki. Dole ne mu canza wannan ruhun ciki. Dole ne mu canza dangantakarmu da duniyarmu da kuma mutanen da ke rayuwa a wannan duniyar, gami da mutanen da ke adawa da mu. Don haka, na yi imanin cewa, a ƙaramar hanyarmu, wannan ita ce maganar da muke yi. Wannan shine lokacin haɓaka wasan. Wannan shine lokacin magance ainihin dalilin cutar mu.

AMY GOODMAN: Na kuma so in tambaye ka game da sharhinka game da mutanen da ke da matsala suna kiran babban jari-hujja a matsayin ciwon daji.

JAMES CROMWELL: Ee.

AMY GOODMAN: Yana kama da abin da Edward Abbey ya faɗi: “Girman kai saboda ci gaba shine akidar kwayar cutar kansa.”

JAMES CROMWELL: Daidai.

AMY GOODMAN: Ta hanyar muhalli, kuna bin ra'ayin jari-hujja.

JAMES CROMWELL: Ee.

AMY GOODMAN: Ba dukkanin muhalli ba. Za ku iya yin sharhi akan wannan?

JAMES CROMWELL: Ba zan iya yin magana da dukkan masanan ba. Ina tsammanin dukkan batutuwa - duk abubuwan da ke ɓata mana rai sun fara shi. Mu al'adu ne masu saurin mutuwa, ta hanyar "mutuwa" ma'ana cewa abin da aka sanya - menene mahimmanci - menene yare da muke magana dashi shine yaren kasuwa. Komai na siyarwa ne Komai anyi commodified. Kuma abin da hakan ke yi shine - sannan kuma, ba shakka, dole ne ka ƙirƙiri mafi yawan riba, wanda ke nufin dole ne ka danniya aiki. Dole ne ku danne farashin kayan ku na halitta. Dole ne ku kula da yankunanku na tasiri, don kada China ta haɗu da duk man Iran ko na Iraki. Sabili da haka, nan da nan, irin wannan tunanin yana haifar da irin rikice-rikicen da muke fuskanta a ko'ina.

Idan muka kalli karin-idan muka karba cewa mun kasance-damunmu ga wannan makamashi, damuwarmu ga hanyar rayuwar mu, abin da muke ɗauka don ba a wannan ƙasa ba, yana cikin wata hanya-muna da alhakin. Idan muka yarda da wannan alhakin, wanda ba daidai yake da laifi ba - idan muka yarda da wannan alhakin, to, za mu iya canza wannan ta hanyar gane abin da muke canzawa shine yadda muke magana da duniyar duniyar, da sauran rayayyun halittu, zuwa duniya . Muna duban shi a yanzu kamar abin da za mu iya-zamu iya yin fyade da tara. Kuma ba haka ba ne. Akwai ma'auni ga yanayi, kuma mun karya wannan ma'auni. Kuma wannan shine abinda ke nuna a Antarctica a yau. Yana nuna a ko'ina cikin duniya. Duniyar duniya tana sake daidaita ma'auni a farashin mu.

AMY GOODMAN: Kakakin wasan kwaikwayo na Oscar, James Cromwell da Pramilla Malick, za su daure kurkuku a yau saboda zanga-zangarsu da suka yi kan wani wutar lantarki ta wutar lantarki ta amfani da wutar lantarki a Orange County, New York. Na yi hira da su a ranar Alhamis tare da Nermeen Shaikh. Masu gwagwarmayar za su fara gudanar da tarurruka a gine-ginen gine-gine, sannan su juya kansu a kurkuku.