Mu Kashe Sojojin Soja ma

daga Tsarin kalma, Yuni 18, 2020

Wannan sigar fassarar labarin wani Podcast ɗin da aka yanke tare da mai ba da shawara game da harkokin waje na Bernie Sanders Matt Duss tare da Mehdi Hasan.

{Asashen {asar Amirka Yana da kasafin kudin soja mafi girma a duk duniya, wanda yake da kashi 15 cikin XNUMX na duk kashe kuɗin tarayya da kusan rabin dukanin bayar da shawarar. Shugabannin bangarorin biyu sun sha kasa kokarin gabatar da kasafin kudin Pentagon. Sanata Bernie Sanders na Vermont ya kasance daya daga cikin manyan muryoyin majalissar da ke jayayya game da manyan kudade; babban mai ba shi shawara kan harkokin waje, Matt Duss, ya hada kai da Mehdi Hasan don gabatar da karar game da tuhumar Pentagon.

Matt Duss: Wannan Yakin duniya na ta'addanci, kiyaye Amurka a cikin yakin duniya, ya lalata dimokiradiyyarmu, ya haifar da siyasa mai cike da rikice-rikice, kuma ya samar da abin da muke gani a titunanmu-ya samar da Donald Trump!

[Cigaba da Musical.]

Mehdi Hasan: Barka da zuwa Tsarin Zuciya, Ni Mehdi Hasan.

Makon da ya gabata, mun yi magana game da gurfanar da 'yan sanda. A wannan makon: Shin lokaci ya yi da za a kare sojoji?

MD: Shin za mu iya kiyaye mutanenmu lafiya da abin da muke kashewa yanzu? Babu shakka za mu iya.

MH: Baƙi ne a yau, Matt Duss, babban mai ba da shawara kan manufofin ketare ga Sanata Bernie Sanders.

Amma yankan kasafin kudin yakin Amurka ne yake daukar hankali, shin yana daukar Pentagon ne mai iko, mafarki mai ci gaba ne ko kuma ra'ayin wanda a karshe lokacinsa ya zo?

Bari muyi sauri.

Tambaya 1: Mene ne babbar ofishin gini a duniya?

Amsa: Pentagon. Tsakanin murabba'i miliyan shida da rabi na shimfidar filin - sau uku girman filin bene na Ginin Masarauta. Ya girma.

Tambaya 2: Wanene ko menene babbar ma'aikata a duniya?

Amsa: Duk da haka kuma, Pentagon, tare da ma'aikata kusan miliyan uku. Sojojin China suna shigo da matsayi na biyu tare da ma'aikata sama da miliyan biyu, kuma Walmart yana matsayi na uku.

Tambaya 3: Wanne ma'aikatar tsaro ce ke da mafi girman kasafin kudin soja a duniya?

Amsa: Kun tsammani haka, Ma'aikatar Tsaron Amurka, Pentagon!

Ee, yana da girma a kusan kowace hanya da za ku yi tunani game da shi - ya fi girma. Kasafin kudin Amurka yanzu yakai dala biliyan 736, wanda ke nufin Pentagon yana kashe kudade masu yawa kan tsaro kamar yadda kasashe 10 na gaba na duniya suka hade - hade! A zahiri, kusan hudu daga kowane $ 10 da aka kashe akan sojoji, a duniya, kowace shekara, ana kashe su akan sojan Amurka. Wannan kamar ba'a ne!

Labarai: "Kare 'yan sanda" ya tafi daga wata rera taken zuwa babban batun tattauna manufofin.

MH: Muna magana da yawa kwanakin nan game da gurfanar da 'yan sanda, kuma da gaskiya haka ne. Don haka lokaci bai yi ba ma mun yi magana game da batun cin zarafin Pentagon, kare soja?

Kamar ciyarwar 'yan sanda, Amurka tana cikin kungiyar kashe kudade ta kashin kanta. Kuma kamar yadda 'yan sanda ke kashewa, kashe sojoji na hana Amurkawa kudaden da za su fi kashewa a wani wuri.

Washington Post ta ruwaito a bara cewa idan Amurka ta kashe adadin GDP na tsaro a matsayin mafi yawan kasashen Turai suna yi, to “tana iya samar da tsarin siyasa na kula da kananan yara, mika inshorar lafiya ga kusan Amurkawa miliyan 30 da ba su da ita, ko samar da manyan kudade don gyara ababen more rayuwar al'umma. "

Kuma wannan ba wani nau'i bane mai ban sha'awa, rudani na dimokiradiyya mai sassaucin ra'ayi - ra'ayin yankar kashe kudaden sojoji da amfani da kudaden don tara wasu, ingantattun abubuwa marasa karfi. Ga yadda shugaban Republican Dwight Eisenhower, tsohon babban janar, ya yi tsokaci, a cikin jawabin nasa na "Chance for Peace" a 1953:

Shugaba Dwight D. Eisenhower: Kowane bindiga da aka yi, kowane jirgin ruwan da aka harba, kowane makamin roba da aka harba yana nunawa, a ma'ana ta karshe, sata ne daga wadanda suke jin yunwa kuma ba a ciyar da su, wadanda suke sanyi kuma ba sa suttura.

MH: A cikin jawabinsa na bankwana da 1961, Eisenhower ya kuma yi gargadi game da karfi da mamayar ginin masana'antar sojan Amurka, wanda a koyaushe yake neman karin kashe kudaden tsaro - da karin yaki:

DDE: A cikin majalisun gwamnati, tilas ne mu kiyaye duk wani abun da ya sa gaba, ko da baya nema ko ba a karɓa ba, daga rundunonin masana'antu na masana'antu.

MH: Amma gargadin Ike ya fadi akan kunnuwa. Rashin zaman lafiya da yakamata ya haifar daga ƙarshen Yaƙin Cold Cold bai taɓarɓare ba. A karkashin George W. Bush mun sami yakin duniya akan ta'addanci. Kuma Barack Obama na iya kawo wasu yan rage yankuna a kasafin kudin tsaro amma kamar yadda mujallar Atlantic ta nuna a shekarar 2016: “A cikin lokacin shugabancinsa […] Sojojin Amurka za su karkatar da kudade masu yawa ga ayyukanda suka shafi yaki fiye da shi. ya yi a karkashin Bush: dala biliyan 866 karkashin Obama idan aka kwatanta da dala biliyan 811 a karkashin Bush. ”

A yau, a karkashin Trump, Amurka tana kara kashe dakarunta fiye da kowane lokaci tun daga Yaƙin Duniya na II, in banda taƙaitawar mamayar Iraki a farkon shekarun 2000. Yaƙin Iraƙi, ta hanyar, ya ƙware dalar Amurka fiye da tiriliyan 2, yakin akan ta'addanci, gabaɗaya, sama da dala tiriliyan 6, sannan makudan kuɗi na Pentagon, a cikin shekaru goma masu zuwa, ana hasashen za su kashe dala tiriliyan 7.

Me yasa? Me yasa za a kashe kuɗi mai yawa a cikin ma'aikatar gwamnati wanda ba za a iya bincika shi daidai ba, wanda ba zai iya yin lissafin biliyoyin da biliyoyin daloli wajen kashewa ba, wannan ke da alhakin tashin hankali da mutuwa a duk duniya - musamman mutuwar baƙar fata da launin ruwan kasa a wurare kamar Gabas ta Tsakiya ko kuma Kasashen Afirka?

Idan kun goyi bayan kare 'yan sanda, da mai ba da agaji na Black Lives Matter Patrisse Cullors ne ya shigar da karar kyakyawan magana kuma mai gamsarwa - akan wannan wasan, a makon da ya gabata. Idan kun goyi bayan kare 'yan sanda, kamar yadda nake yi, to ya kamata ku ma ku tallafawa kare Pentagon, kuɓutar da sojoji. Ba mai kwakwalwa bane.

Kuma ina cewa ba kawai saboda duka Tom Cotton ba ne, bari mu tura cikin sojojin, The New York Times op, ko kuma gaskiyar cewa an shigo da Jami'an tsaro 30,000 da 'yan sanda sojoji 1,600 da ke aikin soja don taimaka wa dokar cikin gida. zartar da doka - galibi mai karfi - tura baya ga zanga-zangar nuna wariyar launin fata a fadin kasar cikin ‘yan makonnin.

Na ce kare soja ne saboda wannan wata cibiyar Amurka ce mai tayar da hankali, tare da kasafin kudin gudanarwa, da wariyar launin fata, da kuma cike da mutane dauke da makamai wadanda aka horar da su don ganin mafi yawan bakaken fata da launin ruwan kasa wadanda suka hadu da kasashen waje a matsayin wata barazana. .

Ka tuna: Yaƙe-yaƙe na ƙetare waɗanda sojojin Amurka ke yaƙi ba zai yiwu ba tare da nuna wariyar launin fata, ba tare da kallon wariyar launin fata ba. Idan kana son yin bam ko mamaye wata ƙasa mai cike da baƙi ko launin ruwan kasa, kamar yadda rundunar sojan Amurka ta saba yin hakan, dole ne ka fara jin tsoron waɗancan mutanen, kauda su, ka nuna cewa sun koma baya waɗanda suke buƙatar ceto ko kuma masu ɓarna da ke buƙatar kisa.

Wariyar launin fata ya kasance koyaushe ya kasance babban ɓangare na manufofin ƙasashen waje na Amurka, mahimmin abu. Na tuna wannan layin wulakancin da ya yi zagaye bayan jami'an LAPD sun buge shi da kamara a 1991: "Idan Amurka ita ce 'yar sanda ta duniya, to, duniya ce Rodney King na Amurka."

Yanzu haka, kuna da sojojin Amurka 200,000 wadanda aka kafa su a kasashen ketare a cikin kasashe sama da 150. Kuna da tsoffin sansanonin sojan Amurka 800 a cikin kasashe 80. Kawai don kwatantawa, sauran kasashe 11 na duniya wadanda suke da tushe a cikin kasashen waje, suna da sansanoni 70 a tsakani - tsakanin su!

Kuma kasancewar rundunar sojan Amurka tana da, i, kawo zaman lafiya da oda a wasu sassan duniya, zan amince da hakan, ba shakka. Amma har ila yau an kawo yawancin mutuwa da lalata da hargitsi zuwa wasu sassan duniya. Dangane da binciken da Jami’ar Brown ta yi a shekarar da ta gabata, sama da mutane 800,000 ne suka rasa rayukansu sakamakon yakin da Amurka ke jagoranta da yakin bama-bamai a Iraki, a Afghanistan, a Pakistan tun daga 9/11 - sama da kashi daya cikin uku na farar hula . An kashe dubun dubatar daruruwan mutane kai tsaye sakamakon yaƙe-yaƙe da ya shafi sojojin Amurka - daga cutar, abubuwan lalata, lalata kayan aiki.

Anan ne a Amurka, a gefen hagu akalla, muna yin magana da gaskiya game da harbe-harben bindiga da rashin tsaro da kisan gilla da kisan gilla ga baƙar fata. Mun san sunayen Walter Scott, da Eric Garner, da Philando Castile, da Tamir Rice, kuma, ba shakka, yanzu, George Floyd. Abin ba in ciki, kodayake, ba mu san sunayen maza, mata, da yara ba, sojojin Amurka sun kashe su bisa doka ba bisa ka'ida ba a kisan mutane a wurare kamar Shinwar, Kandahar, da Maywand a Afghanistan; ko wurare kamar Haditha, Mahmoudiya, da Bala a Iraki. Ba mu san sunayen 'yan Afghanistan da aka azabtar a kurkukun Bagram Air Base a Afghanistan ba, ko kuma an azabtar da mutanen Iraki a gidan yarin Abu Ghraib na Iraki.

Masu biyan harajin Amurka sun biya wannan azabtarwar da kuma wancan kisan da aka yi; muna biya don waɗannan yaƙe-yaƙe, masu karewa - don ɓarna, ɓarna amma ƙara haɓaka kasafin kuɗi na soja - kuma duk da haka muna yin tambayoyi kaɗan 'kaɗan game da shi. Kuna iya bayar da hujjar cewa yin garkuwa da sojan wani aiki ne na gaggawa kuma wajibi ne fiye da kare 'yan sanda - kuma lamari ne da yafi bude ido. Kowace hanya, a ra'ayina, kare 'yan sanda da yiwa sojoji sojoji ya kamata su tafi hannu daya.

[Cigaba da Musical.]

MH: Duk da haka yin amfani da kasafin kudi na Pentagon, kiran rage raguwar kashe sojojin Amurka, yana daya daga cikin manyan tarurrukan a Washington DC; yana cewa ba a iya biya a wani gari wanda galibin 'yan jam'iyyar Democrat ke biye da goyon baya ga' yan Republican tare da jefa kuri'a ta hanyar karuwar kashe kudaden tsaro, kowace shekara zuwa shekara.

Politicianan siyasa ɗaya ya fice daga mafi yawan abin da ya shafi wannan batun: Bernie Sanders, ɗan majalisar dattijai mai zaman kanta daga Vermont, wanda ya fito takarar neman zaɓen shugaban ƙasa na Democratic a duka shekarar 2016 da 2020, wanda yana ɗaya daga cikin fewan majalisar wakilai masu kyan gani. a ci gaba da kada kuri'a a kan karuwa ga kasafin kudin tsaro.

Anan yana magana ne a bara a wani taron tattaunawa kan ainihin batun:

Sanata Bernie Sanders: Amma ba wai kawai Wall Street da kamfanonin magunguna da kamfanonin inshora ba. Kuma bari na fadi kalma game da wani abu wanda mutane kima kadan suke magana akai, kuma shine: Muna buƙatar ɗaukar Ma'aikatar Ci gaban Masana'antu. [Muryar masu sauraro da tafi.] Ba za mu ci gaba da kashe dala bilyan 700 a shekara ba a kan sojojin. Muna so kuma muna buƙatar tsaro mai ƙarfi. Amma ba lallai bane mu ciyar da fiye da kasashe 10 na gaba gaba ɗaya ba hade. [Masu sauraro masu saurare.]

MH: Bako na yau shi ne Matt Duss, babban mai ba da shawara kan manufofin ketare ga Sanata Bernie Sanders. An yaba wa Matt a kan taimaka wa Sanata Sanders don inganta kwarewar sa ta waje da tunani tsakanin yakin neman zaben shugaban kasa na shekarar 2016 da 2020, kuma yana da hannu wajen tursasawa mai tsauri ga gwamnatin Netanyahu a Isra'ila kan mamayar yankunan Falasdinawa da masarautar Saudiyya ta Yemen ke yi. mummunan harin kunar bakin waken su. Shi tsohon shugaban Gidauniyar Yankin Gabas ta Tsakiya ne, kuma ya yi kakkausar suka game da amfani da manufar ketare ta Amurka, kuma ya kasance tare da ni yanzu daga gidansa a Washington, DC.

Matt, godiya don zuwan a Deconstructed.

MD: M yi murna a nan. Na gode, Mehdi.

MH: Shin kuna jin matsakaicin mai jefa ƙuri'a na Amurka yana sane da gaskiyar cewa kashe kuɗaɗen kashe kuɗaɗe na kusan duk rabin kuɗin kashe-kashe a Amurka, cewa Pentagon yana kashe ƙarin tsaro fiye da ƙasashe 10 na gaba na duniya gaba ɗaya?

MD: Da alama zan ce a'a, ba su san wadancan bayanan ba. Ina tsammanin sun san gaskiyar cewa muna kashe kudade masu yawa, amma sun - Ina tsammanin su ma ba su san haka ba, kuma wannan wani abu ne da San Sanders ya yi aiki da yawa a tsawon shekaru yana bayyanar da abin da za mu iya zama ciyarwa, ka sani, wani kaso na kudin da za a samu wa jama'ar Amurka, shin gidaje ne, kiwon lafiya, ayyuka -

MH: Ee.

MD: - ilimi.

Kuma ina tsammanin wannan shine tattaunawar da shi da sauran ci gaban da suke son samun shi a yanzu, musamman, kamar yadda muke gani, kun sani, a bayyane kawai a cikin watannin da suka gabata, a yayin wannan bala'in, yadda muke sanya hannun jarinmu na tsaro a cikin shekarun da suka gabata sun kasance da yawa daga wurare da yawa ba daidai ba.

MH: Wani lokaci ina tsammanin Amurkawa za su fi mai da hankali idan Ma'aikatar Tsaro ta koma zama Ma'aikatar War, kamar yadda aka sani har zuwa 1947 kuma muna da sakataren yaƙi a maimakon sakataren tsaro.

MD: A'a, ina tsammanin akwai wani abu ga wannan. Ina nufin, ka sani, tsaro ne, a fili, a, ee, wa ba ya son kare kansu? Ya kamata mu kare kanmu lokacin da muke bukatar hakan; yaƙi kalma ce mai taurin kai sosai.

Amma musamman a cikin shekarun da suka gabata tare da yakin duniya akan ta'addanci, ci gaba da keɓance kasafin kuɗi na tsaro, kuma, ƙari ga hakan, ayyukan haɗin gwiwar ƙasashen waje wanda shine ainihin, kun sani, asusu mai gudana na shekara-shekara wanda ke sake biyan don ba da izinin Ma'aikatar Tsaro a cikin Amurka da gaske za ta gudanar da wadannan tsoma-tsakin soja a cikin littattafai, kuma kawai sanya wannan a bisan yaranmu da jikokinmu su biya.

MH: Nawa daga cikin manufofin kasashen waje m, Matt, da sojojin da manufar kasashen waje? Kuma ta yaya wannan yakin yake da wariyar launin fata, tsakanin sauran abubuwa?

MD: To, ina tsammanin akwai kashi biyu na wannan tambayar. Su duka biyun suna da matukar muhimmanci.

Ina tsammanin, ka sani, komawa zuwa, akalla Shugaba Eisenhower, lokacin da zai bar ofis, ya yi gargaɗi sosai game da haɓakar “Ma'aikatar Masana'antun Soja,” ajalin da ya ambata. Babban ra'ayin shi ne, yadda kuka ga wadannan 'yan kwangilar tsaron suna zama masu iko da ƙarfi, kuma wannan nau'in, kun sani, abubuwan samar da manufofin da suka girma a kusa da na Amurka, kun sani, haɓaka rawar duniya, cewa waɗannan sha'awar za su zo da tasiri mai haɗari a kan kirkirar manufar kasashen waje ta Amurka da kuma manufofin tsaron Amurka, kuma zan iya cewa hakan ya zama gaskiya, ka sani, a mafi munin yanayi da mummunan hadari fiye da yadda nake tsammani hatta Eisenhower kansa yana tsoron.

MH: Ee.

MD: Kun sani, kashi na biyu na wancan - saurara, aka kafa Amurka akan, kun sani, wani bangare, kun sani, akan ra'ayin farin iko. Wannan ƙasa ce da aka kafa ta, tare da bauta - an gina ta a madadin ofancin jama'ar Afirka. Mun dade muna magance wannan matsalar; har yanzu muna ma'amala da shi.

Mun sami ci gaba, babu kokwanto: Rightsungiyoyin Kare Hakkokin Jama'a, 'yancin zaɓen, mun sami cigaba. Amma gaskiyar magana ita ce, wannan yana cikin zurfin al'adun Amurka, da siyasar Amurka, don haka kawai ya ba da ma'anar cewa za a iya nunawa cikin manufofinmu na ketare, a cikin manufofin tsaronmu.

Kun sani, tunda kuka fadi haka, yana da daraja a fahimci cewa sojan Amurka na daya daga cikin ingantattun misalai na hade kai. Amma duk da haka, don amsa tambayar ku, ina tsammanin mun ga yawancin wariyar launin fata a cikin manufofin kasashen waje na Amurka kuma wannan yana iya zama mafi bayyane tare da Yakin Duniya na Teran Ta'adda, wanda aka harba ta da iƙirarin daji game da Musulmai, game da Larabawa, ku. Ku sani, kuji tsoro game da - komai, kumbura Sharia, zaku iya gudu cikin jerin, kun sani, waɗannan, kun sani, waɗannan nau'ikan da'awar farfagandar da kyau.

Kuma ina tsammanin wannan wani abu ne wanda Sanata Sanders kuma ya yi magana game da abubuwa da yawa. Idan ka koma ga batun nasa, kasidar da ya rubuta a cikin Harkokin Waje na shekara daya da ta gabata, inda ya yi magana game da kawo karshen yakin da ba shi da iyaka, ba wai kawai kawo karshen wadannan manyan ayyukan soja da muka yi a shekarun da suka gabata ba, amma fahimtar hanya cewa, ka sani, wannan Yaƙin Duniya na Ta'addanci, kiyaye Amurka a kan yaƙin duniya, ya lalata tsarin dimokiradiyyarmu; shi ya haifar da siyasa, ta mawuyacin hali da cin mutunci, na al'ummomin da ba su da karfi, kuma hakan ya haifar da abubuwan da muke gani a titunanmu, shi ya samar da Donald Trump.

MH: Yeah.

MD: Ka sani, don haka fahimta cewa wannan, shi ne, Donald Trump ya fito ne daga ire-iren wadannan halayen, ba shine yake jawo su ba.

MH: Kuma don haka ne a bayyane, ga masu sauraronmu, kun ambaci Sanata Sanders. A matsayinsa na dan majalisar, ya kasance mai fada a ji a cikin yakin Iraki a 2003. Amma ya kada kuri'ar mamaye Afghanistan a 2001 -

MD: Yeah.

MH: - wanda har yanzu yana tare da mu, yakin Afghanistan har yanzu bai ƙare ba, mutane da yawa sun rasa rayukansu a can, suna ci gaba da rasa rayukansu a can, jini da ɗimbin yawa, kamar yadda kalmar ke gudana, ta ɓace a wurin. Ina ganin ya yi nadamar wannan jefa kuri’ar a yanzu, Ina daidai ne in faɗi?

MD: Da kyau, ya faɗi cewa a ɗaya daga cikin muhawarar farko, inda ya ce, yanzu, duba baya -

MH: Ee, ya yaba wa Barbara Lee saboda kasancewa ita ce kawai kuri'un da aka kada.

MD: Daidai. Kuma ta cancanci yabo mai yawa. Murya ce mai kaɗaici wacce take da hangen nesa don gane [cewa] ta ba gwamnatin Bush sararin samaniya don yin yaƙi marar iyaka, cewa da gaske muna ƙaura zuwa cikin yankin da ba shi da tsaro da haɗari. Kuma ta yi gaskiya game da hakan; Sanata Sanders ya fahimci hakan. Ina tsammani, fiye da ƙari, mutane yanzu suna gane hakan.

Kuna iya cewa, a yanzu, bayan 9/11, Ina tsammanin akwai, kun sani, hakika akwai hujja don, don motsawa da al Qaeda, amma ƙirƙirar wannan ma'anar ta ƙarshe, kun sani, Yaƙin Tsararra, kuma wannan -

MH: Ee.

MD: - izni wanda ba shi da iyaka kuma ba shi da ma'anar ƙarshen ƙarshen don lokacin da izinin ya ƙare, ya kasance masifa ne ga ƙasarmu da kuma yawancin al'ummomi a duniya.

MH: Ee, a wannan lokacin na tuna lokacin da Afghanistan ɗin ke da kyau yaƙi kuma Iraki ita ce mummunan yakin.

MD: Dama.

MH: Kuma ina tsammanin yanzu mun fahimci, shekaru 19 daga baya, cewa su biyun mugayen yaƙe ne a nasu hanyoyin. A ganinku, Matt, kun dade kuna tawo kan ayyukan wannan kaya a cikin wannan gari, wanene ko kuma menene ainihin laifin ƙungiyar sojojin ƙasashen waje ta manufar Amurka? Shin akida ce ta shaye shaye? Shin politiciansan siyasa kawai suna ƙoƙari su zama masu tauri? Shin yana yin watsi da Compleungiyoyin Masana'antar Soja waɗanda kuka ambata, ta Lockheed Martin's na Raytheon na wannan duniyar?

MD: Da kyau, Ina tsammanin duk waɗannan abubuwan da ke sama ne. Ina nufin, kowane ɗayan waɗannan abubuwan yana taka sashi. Ina nufin, hakika, kun sani, mun riga munyi magana game da Rikicin Masana'antar Soja, kun sani, wanda zamu iya fadada shi, kun sani, sun hada da Rikicin Masana'antu na Soja; da yawa daga cikin wadannan tunanin tankokin ana tallafa musu ne ta hanyar kwastomomin tsaro, da manyan kamfanoni na kasashe da yawa -

MH: Ee.

MD: - ko, a wasu halaye, ta, ka sani, ka sani, ƙasashen waje waɗanda ke so su riƙe mu tsunduma cikin yankin su kuma yi musu aiki. To wannan na daga cikin kalubalen.

Ina tsammanin akwai tabbas yanayin siyasa, kamar yadda kuka sani, a zahiri kawai, 'yan siyasa suna tsoron mutuwa don nuna rauni a kan tsaro ko rauni a kan ta'addanci. Kuma tabbas kuna da irin wannan kayan aikin kafofin watsa labaru, wannan kayan aikin kafafen yada labarai na dama, wanda aka kirkiresu don latsa hakan, don ci gaba da gudana, kun sani, 'yan siyasa, kun sani, kan su, a kan dugadugan su, suna tsoron tsoron irin ba da kowane irin madadin, hangen nesa na soja.

Amma ina tsammanin kuna da, kuma ina tsammanin akwai wasu kyawawan halaye masu kyau waɗanda aka rubuta kwanan nan akan wannan: wanda Jeremy Shapiro ya gabatar, a wannan makon a cikin The Boston Review, wani kuma ya kasance ta Emma Ashford, daga Cibiyar Cato. , a cikin Harkokin waje na 'yan makonni da suka gabata, game da batun wannan batun, kun san, abin da ake kira blob. Ben Rhodes ya yi niyyar wannan lokacin, amma magana ce ta gaba daya a ce, kun sani, hikimar al'ada game da Amurka, kun sani, rawar da ke duniya gaba daya. Kuma ina tsammanin wadancan rukunin guda biyu suna aiki mai kyau na shimfidawa, ka sani, wannan wani nau'in akida ne mai kawo kanka da kai wanda ke haifar da wasu tsofaffin sakamako da lada ga mutanen da suke irin wannan dabarar ba tare da kalubalanci ainihin kawancen ba. Jihohi suna buƙatar kasancewa a duk faɗin duniya; muna bukatar da a sanya sojoji a duk faɗin duniya, in ba haka ba duniya zata faɗa cikin rudani.

MH: Kuma hujja ce mai raba kai.

MD: Daidai daidai.

MH: Kamar yadda Yaƙi a kan Ta'addanci ya kasance cikin ƙawancen ra'ayi. Idan ka ga jiragen sama masu saukar ungulu suna ta murkushe masu zanga-zangar - kamar yadda suke yi a bangarorin yaki - masu saurin sauka a kan masu zanga-zangar a Washington, DC, don gwadawa da watsa su bisa umarnin manyan jami'ai a Pentagon. Shin wannan ba yakin ba ne kawai yake dawowa gida ba, kamar yadda wasun mu suka yi gargadin cewa babu makawa?

MD: A'a, ina tsammanin hakan daidai ne. Ina nufin, wancan – wancan shine - mun jima muna ganin hakan, mun ga wadannan shirye-shirye wadanda, kun sani, kun samu, kun dade muna amfani da karfin soja, sojoji suna da duk wannan kayan aiki, sannan suke canja shi zuwa wadannan sassan 'yan sanda, sassan' yan sanda suna so, suna so su yi amfani da shi.

Muna ganin 'yan sanda a yanzu suna sanye da kaya, ka sani, a cikin rigar soja kawai, kamar dai suna sintiri a titunan, ka sani, Fallujah. Ba wai kawai cewa muna son su patcing titunan Fallujah ba. Amma a, ainihi - mun ga wannan yakin a kan ta'addanci yana dawowa gida, mun ga, kun sani, helikofta yana rusa masu zanga-zanga daga filin Lafayette.

Kuma, kun sani, saurara, aikin ɗan sanda na Amurka yana da matsaloli na dogon lokaci. Ina nufin, matsalolin da muke fuskanta, kun sani, zanga-zangar bayan kisan George Floyd, wadannan matsaloli ne masu zurfi kuma ku koma baya, kun sani, shekarun da suka gabata, idan ba ƙarni ba. Amma ina tsammanin hanyar da War on Terror ta faɗi wannan, ya kawo shi ga wani sabon yanayi mai haɗari, kuma ina tsammanin waɗannan masu fafutuka da masu zanga-zangar -

MH: Ee, shine -

MD: - cancanci kuɗi masu yawa don haɓaka abubuwan nan.

MH: Kuma shine, wanda shine dalilin da yasa na so yin wasan kwaikwayon a kan wannan batun yau, kuma in sa ku, saboda ba za ku iya magana game da 'yan sanda kawai ba.

MD: Ee. Dama.

MH: Hanyar soja tana da matuƙar mahimmanci don fahimtar wannan.

Ina nufin, mun sami rahotannin sojoji a shirye-shiryensu a 'yan makonnin da ke shirye su sa baki a kan masu zanga-zangar, ba wai tare da bayonets ba, amma tare da ammonium. Ta yaya hakan ba karamin labari ba ne, Ina mamaki, babban abin kunya? Shin bai kamata irin son Sanata Sanders da sauran manyan 'yan Democrat a majalisa su bukaci sauraron karar ba? Ko sojojin Amurkan za su kunna wuta kan citizensan Amurkawa da bindigogi masu rai?

MD: A'a, Ni, ina tsammanin ya kamata su. Ina tsammanin Ina nufin, idan muna son yin magana game da hanyar da Majalisa ba ta amsawa a wannan lokacin ta hanyar da ya kamata, Ina nufin, ƙara wannan zuwa jerin abubuwan.

MH: Ee.

MD: Amma ina tsammanin mun gani, Ina tsammanin wani muhimmin abin turawa game da wannan ingantaccen haɗin gwiwar da Tom Cotton ya buga a cikin New York Times, ina tsammanin, akwai gaske -

MH: "Aika cikin sojojin."

MD: "Aika cikin Sojojin" - muhawara mai inganci game da ko yakamata su buga wannan tun farko. Ra'ayina a kan New York Times bai kamata ya ba da irin tasirin irin waɗannan ra'ayoyin ba; idan kana son sanin abin da Tom Cotton yake tsammani, akwai wurare da yawa da zai iya zuwa ya buga wancan. Ba asirin bane.

Amma ina tsammanin martani game da wannan, don fahimtar abin da yake faɗi da gaske, don amfani da sojojin Amurka a kan fararen hula Amurka a titunan Amurka, Ina tsammanin kun fahimci yadda wannan, duk wannan muhawara ta sami nesa nesa ba kusa ba.

MH: Ina kawai mamaki, shin wannan hanya ce don gwadawa da samun Baƙi, talakawa Baƙi, don ɗaukar aikin soja na manufofin ƙasashen waje, yaƙe-yaƙe marasa iyaka, Pentagon mahaukaci mafi mahimmanci, ta hanyar jingina shi ga abin da ke faruwa yanzu, akan titunan su?

Matt, na yi hira da Jamaal Bowman a wata mai neman takarar babban taron Eliot Engel, wanda shi ne Shugaban Kwamitin Harkokin Waje na Majalisar, na san cewa shugaban ku, da Sanata Sanders, da sauransu sun ba da goyon baya ga su. Kuma ni da shi muna magana game da yadda wahalar ke da wuya a sami masu jefa ƙuri'a su ɗauki batun manufofin ƙasashen waje - yaƙin ƙasashen waje, har ma - da mahimmanci. Da yawa daga cikin Amurkawa, a bayyane, sun mayar da hankali ne ga damuwar cikin gida. Ta yaya zaku basu su dauki manufar kasashen waje da mahimmanci?

MD: [Yayi dariya.] Kun sani, kamar yadda wani ya yi aiki a cikin manufofin kasashen waje sama da shekaru goma, wannan - kalubale ne.

Kuma na fahimta. Gaskiyar ita ce, yawancin mutane suna - sun damu da matsalolin da suka fi kusa da su. Wannan gaba daya ma'ana ne. Don haka a, gano hanyoyin da za a yi magana game da manufar harkokin waje ta hanyar da za a magance su, ka sani, mutane inda suke, ka san, yana da mahimmanci. Amma a lokaci guda, yayin da na yarda da ku cewa ya kamata mu gwada kuma muyi amfani da wannan lokacin kuma mu fahimci hanyar da Yakin mu na ta'addanci ya dawo mana gida a titunanmu, mu ma ba ma son nesanta mu daga gare ku. Ku sani, matsalolin da suka fi zurfin zama fararen farin iko da wariyar launin fata da ake nunawa kuma, kun sani, sune suke haifar da wannan tashin hankali.

MH: Shin ba matsalar ba ce, abin takaici, cewa ga yawancin masu jefa kuri'a manufofin kasashen waje wani abu ne mai nisa kuma ba kai tsaye ba, kamar yadda ka ce; ga yawancin politiciansan siyasa da aka zaɓa, kodayake, ana ganin siyasa ta waje da ta tsaro galibi ta hanyar gida, a cikin yanayin, kun sani, ayyuka, kwangilolin tsaro, damuwa tattalin arziki a jihohinsu?

Hatta maigidanka, Bernie Sanders, ba shi da wata matsala daga hakan. Wasu mutane suna sukar sa akan hagu don goyan baya, tsawon shekaru, jarin masana'antar soji a Vermont saboda ayyukan yi. Ya goyi bayan karbar bakuncin Lockheed Martin mai rikitarwa na F-35 Fighter Jets, ina tsammanin, wanda farashin sama da $ tiriliyan 1, kuma biyu daga cikinsu aka shirya su a Vermont, kuma ya sami korafin korafe-korafen a Vermont saboda hakan.

Wannan matsala ce ta isar da sako, ko ba haka ba? Ga wani dan siyasa da aka zaba wanda yake so ya saba wa kasafin kudin Pentagon, amma kuma ya shafi ayyuka da matsalolin tattalin arziki a cikin kasarsu?

MD: Da kyau, Ina tsammanin hanyar da ku, kuka sani, da ya ba da wannan magana kuma ina tsammanin hanyar da muke tunani game da ita kamar: Saurara, muna buƙatar tsaro. Ayyuka suna da mahimmanci, amma wannan - wancan ba shine labarin ba. Ina nufin, akwai, akwai kasafin kuɗi game da abubuwan da aka sanya a gaba.

Don haka muna buƙatar tsaro? Shin za mu iya kiyaye mutanenmu lafiya da abin da muke kashewa yanzu? Babu shakka, za mu iya. Ba ma buƙatar kashe fiye da ƙasashe 11 ko 12 na gaba a duniya gabaɗaya, waɗanda yawancinsu abokanmu ne, don kare tsaro da wadatar jama'ar Amurka.

MH: Yeah.

MD: Don haka ina tsammanin tambaya ce game da abubuwan da muka sanya muhimmanci, mene ne ainihin manufofinmu na amfanin soja, kuma muna fifita sojoji fiye da yadda ya kamata? Kuma Sanata Sanders ya yi imani a fili cewa mun kasance.

MH: Yana da. Kuma ya fito fili a bayyane a kan hakan, kodayake da yawa za su iya jayayya cewa jirgin saman F-35 mai suna misali cikakken kudi ne wanda Pentagon ta kashe.

Ya fito fili ya bayyana batun batun kasafin kudi gaba daya. Kun ambaci kashe fiye da ƙasashe 10, 11, 12 na gaba. Ina nufin, karuwar kashe kudi a cikin 2018, alal misali, karuwar da kanta, Na yi imani, ya fi girma fiye da kasafin kudin Rasha gaba daya - kawai karuwa ne.

MD: Dama. Dama.

MH: Don haka me zai hana karin 'yan Democrat, Matt, me yasa basa jefa kuri'a akan waɗannan kullun, ɗimbin, ƙaruwa mara amfani ga kasafin kudin tsaro? Me yasa su, me yasa yawancinsu suke son tafiya da shi?

MD: Da kyau, Ina tsammanin saboda wasu dalilai ne cewa, kun sani, mun tattauna a baya, Ina tsammanin akwai damuwa game da zane-zane kamar laushi akan tsaro. Akwai wani nau'ikan karar magana mai yawa a cikin da ke akwai wanda zai iya taka rawa ga 'yan siyasa tare da wannan sakon, idan - idan ana ganin ba sa goyon bayan abinda ake so, to kun sani,' yan kwangila na tsaro ko kuma sojoji.

Kuma sake, akwai wasu maganganu masu inganci, hakika dangane da ayyuka, tare da tabbatar da cewa, kun sani, ana kulawa da sojojin Amurkawa. Amma Ee, Ina nufin, yana da - ya kasance yana da ƙalubale mai tsawo. Ya kasance wani abu Sanata Sanders ya daɗe yana yin sautin ƙararrawa game da wannan kuma yana ƙoƙarin haɗuwa da mutane da yawa don zaɓen zaɓen waɗannan manyan kuɗaɗe na tsaro. Amma yana jin cewa yanzu wasu sun fi mai da hankali.

MH: Yana da matukar ban mamaki ganin 'yan Democrat, a gefe guda, Lambast Trump a matsayin marubuci, a matsayin mai jiran gado a zaman jiran tsammani, kamar mutumin da ke cikin rudani tare da Putin, sannan kuma ya ba shi ƙarin kuɗi don sojoji, ƙarin kuɗi da yawa don farawa. sabon yaƙe-yaƙe. Ba mamaki mu ga abin da yake faruwa, irin wariyar fahimta ce.

Kawai kan kasafin kudin kanta, menene zai zama kyakkyawan lamba ga kasafin kudin Amurka. Yanzu haka, kamar yadda muka tattauna, yana da yawa, ya fi ƙasashe 10 na gaba haɗuwa. Kusan kashi 40 cikin XNUMX na kuɗin kare duniya. Menene zai zama mafi daidaitaccen adadi? Domin, kamar yadda ka ce, Sanata Sanders ba mutum ne mai son zaman lafiya ba. Ya yi imani da karfin tsaro, ya yi imani da karfin soja. Menene girman daidai na ƙarfin sojan Amurka, a ganin ku, a ganinsa?

MD: To, a yanzu haka yana aiki kan gyaran dokar ba da izini ga Dokar ba da izini ta tsaron kasa, wacce ke cikin shirin sasantawa a yanzu canjin da za a yanke, don farawa, kasafin kudin tsaro da kashi 10 cikin XNUMX.

Don haka, wannan zai zama kusan dala biliyan 75 daga ciki, ka sani, $ 700 biliyan, ko wataƙila, $ biliyan biliyan 78, na $ 780 biliyan kasafin kuɗi, wanda yake babba ne. Amma a matsayin wata hanyar da za mu fara faɗi, za mu ɗauki kashi 10, sannan za mu saka jari hakan, za mu ƙirƙiri shirin tallafi don tallafawa ilimi, ayyukan yi, gidaje, a cikin al'ummomi wadanda suke da - wadancan suna da kaso mai yawa na mutanen da ke rayuwa cikin talauci. Wannan kuma farawa ne, amma kuma hanya ce ta cewa wannan shine inda ya kamata mu bada fifiko. Waɗannan al'ummomin ne waɗanda ke buƙatar wannan kuɗin.

MH: To, na yi farin ciki da ya yi hakan. Kuma ina fatan zamuyi wata hanya.

Don haka ya kware wajen daukar kasafin kudi na soja, amma Bernie da alama bashi da niyyar kare 'yan sanda. Ya fito da karfi sosai kan duk wani yunkuri na kauracewa ‘yan sanda. Kuma yayin da ya gaya wa New Yorker kwanan nan cewa, a, yana so ya "sake bayyana abin da sassan 'yan sanda suke yi," wanda yake abu ne mai kyau, ba ya son ya rage kasafin' yan sanda a kowace hanya mai ma'ana.

MD: Ee, Ina tsammanin hanyar da ya kusanci wannan ita ce cewa muna buƙatar matuƙar sake ma'anar aikin 'yan sanda a cikin al'ummominmu. Tabbas ya kasance mai matukar goyon baya ga zanga-zangar; Ya fahimci cewa wadannan masu fafutuka da masu zanga-zanga a kan titi sun taka muhimmiyar rawa wajen mai da hankalin kasar a kan babbar matsalar tashe tashen hankula da 'yan sanda da cin zarafin wariyar launin fata da kuma farin iko da har yanzu kasarmu ke fama da ita.

Don haka ya gabatar da wasu shawarwari da za su canza yadda 'yan sandanmu ke gudanar da ayyukansu a cikin al'ummarsu: fiye da kula da farar hula a ciki, ka sani, ganewa da kuma ba da lada ga al'ummomi da kare kai, a zahiri, rundunar' yan sanda da suka nuna cewa suna da matsala ta zagi. . Don haka yayin da bai yi amfani da manufar kare 'yan sanda ba, ina ganin ya sa, ya fitar da mafi girman shawarwari game da yadda ake daukar fansar abin da' yan sanda ke yi.

MH: Kun ambaci shugabanni. Muna 'yan watanni kadan daga zaben shugaban kasa mai tarihi. Dan takarar Democrat wanda Bernie Sanders ya amince da shi, wanda Bernie Sanders ya kira aboki, Joe Biden, yana daya daga cikin sanannun shahararren dan takarar jam'iyyar Democrat. Kunyi magana game da bulb din a baya; Ina tsammanin Joe Biden kati ne mai dauke da memba na kungiyar. Shin ka yarda za mu ga wani canji daga Shugaba Biden, idan ya shafi batun amfani da soja, manufar harkokin waje ta farko ta Pentagon idan aka zo batun yaduwar sojojin Amurka a duniya?

MD: To, ina tsammanin mun ga wani motsi daga Biden.

Ina nufin, da farko, kamar yadda kuka ce, eh. Ina nufin, Biden, ka sani, mun san ra'ayinsa kan manufar harkokin waje yana komawa shekaru da yawa. Ya goyi bayan yakin Iraq; Sanata Sanders na da matukar muhimmanci game da hakan. Amma ina tsammanin yana da mahimmanci a lura cewa akwai wasu lokuta, musamman a lokacin gwamnatin Obama, inda Biden ya kasance muryar kamewa, shin muna magana ne game da mamayar Afghanistan a farkon lokacin shugabancin Obama, batun tsoma bakin Libya - ya zama wani canji na tsarin mulki, wanda ya haifar da babban bala'i a Libya, wanda har yanzu yake ci gaba da tasiri a yankin.

Saboda haka Ee, Ina tsammanin - saurare, ban sani ba - Ba zan ɗanƙar da shi ba. Ina tsammanin Biden ya fi shahara da yawa fiye da ci gaban da ake son gani. Amma har ila yau, wani ne da nake tsammanin yana da hannu a cikin wannan tattaunawar da ke faruwa a cikin jam’iyya, kuma mafi yadu, a cikin kasar. Teamungiyarsa ta ba da sanarwar ta sirri da a fili cewa suna son yin magana da muryoyin ci gaba kan manufofin ƙasashen waje. Sabili da haka, kun sani, Sanata Sanders -

MH: Shin sun isar muku?

MD: Munyi magana, eh. Muna magana da kyau a kai a kai. Kuma na yaba da hakan.

Don haka, zan so in ga wani motsi a kan wasu daga cikin wadannan manufofin. Ina ganin ya kamata mu gane inda Biden ya koma. Ina tsammanin, alal misali, sadaukarwa a kan Biden - kuma a wani bangare na dukkanin 'yan takarar Demokradiyya - a hanya - don komawa yarjejeniyar nukiliyar Iran da ganin diflomasiyya da Iran a matsayin hanyar dakile tashin hankali a yankin, a maimakon haka na yin abin da Trump yake yi, wanda yake kawai goyan bayan Saudis ne a cikin wannan rikici na yanki da Iran. Ina tsammanin muna bukatar sanin cewa hakan yana da kyau. Amma muna buƙatar ci gaba da aiki kuma mu ci gaba da turawa.

MH: Tabbas an canza canji daga Biden akan Saudiya. Ina ji ya kira shi aaya daga cikin muhawara.

MD: Dama. Dama.

MH: Kuma da yawa daga cikin 'yan Democrat sun koma Saudi Arabiya. Kuma ina tsammanin mutane kamar Bernie Sanders, maigidanku, da Chris Murphy, dattijan daga Connecticut, sun taka rawar gani wajen motsa zababbun 'yan Democrat a kan Saudiyya - nesa da Saudi Arabia - wanda hakan abu ne mai kyau.

Biden a shafinsa na yakin neman zabe ya ce "kawo karshen yaƙe-yaƙe har abada" kuma ya yi magana game da dawo da mafi yawan sojojin zuwa gida, waɗannan abubuwa ne masu kyau a gare ni. Amma kuma ya ce a shafinsa na yanar gizo: "Muna da sojoji mafi karfi a duniya - kuma a matsayinsa na shugaban kasa, Biden zai tabbatar da hakan. Gwamnatin Biden za ta sanya hannun jari ta zama dole don ba da sojojinmu ga kalubalen karni na gaba, ba na karshe ba. ”

Shin bai yi kama da Shugaba Biden da gaske zai yi komai ba game da wannan baje kolin na tsaron Amurka? Kamar yadda kuka ambata, Bernie Sanders yana kira da a rage kashi 10, Shin da irin wannan nau'in da Biden zai iya baya? Na same shi da wuya a yi imani.

MD: Da kyau, ban sani ba. Amma ina tsammanin kawai amsar ita ce ci gaba da matsa musu lamba - yi magana da su, ba su ra'ayoyi kan wannan. Amma kuma, lokacin da Biden yayi magana game da kalubalen karni na 21, wannan shine muhawara da yakamata mu shiga. Menene wadancan kalubalen kuma menene Amurka take bukata da gaske don taimakawa wajen bunkasa tsaro da wadatar jama'ar Amurka yayin da muke motsawa cikin wannan sabon zamanin?

Ina nufin, muna cikin kankanin lokaci, kuma ina tsammanin wannan yana matukar karfafa gwiwa. Ina nufin, a karon farko a cikin rayuwata, ina tsammanin, mafi yawan makamashi - mafi yawan makamashi da muke gani akan tambayoyi game da manufofin kasashen waje na Amurka, da kuma tsaron lafiyar Amurka, yana fitowa ne daga Hagu.

Mun ga wasu sababbin kungiyoyi da muryoyin da suke kalubalantar wasu daga cikin wadannan tunanin, kuma suna cewa: Saurara, muna buƙatar sake tunani game da yanayin da muke ganin cewa mun ba da kanmu na tsaro, kuma ina tsammanin cutar ta mutu ta ba da gaske cewa a hanya mai mahimmanci, kamar yadda na ce, don nuna cewa duk, ka sani, ɗaruruwan biliyoyin daloli da muke kashewa akan waɗannan, waɗannan tsarin makaman, ba su tsare mutanen Amurkan daga wannan cutar ba. Wannan kuma zai bukaci sake fahimtar tsarin abin da muke nufi da tsaron namu.

MH: Don haka a waccan bayanin, Matt, tambaya ta ƙarshe. Akwai tsohuwar Leagueungiyar Kasashen Duniya na zaman lafiya da Freedomancin stickan matattara, wacce aka dawo a lokacin Cold War a kwanakin baya kafin cutar hoto, kafin memes, amma takan shahara sosai.

Kuma hakan ya karanta kuma na fadi, "zai zama babbar rana ce makarantunmu su samu duk kudin da suke bukata kuma sojojin sama dole suyi siyar da burodi don siyan bam."

MD: [Yi dariya.] Ee.

MH: Shin muna kusa da wannan ranar? Kuna tsammani - kuna tsammanin zamu ga irin wannan ranar yayin rayuwarmu?

MD: Wataƙila ba sayar da gasa ba ne, kodayake zan so ganin wasu abubuwan da za su yi. Wataƙila zai iya zama mai daɗi sosai.

MH: [Yi dariya.]

MD: Amma babu, amma ina tsammanin cewa janar - cewa janar ɗin yana da mahimmanci. Jumla ce, tana magana ne kan abubuwanda sukakamata: Shin muna saka hannun jari kan ilimin yaranmu? Shin mun saka hannun jari yadda yakamata a fannin kiwon lafiya, gidaje, a ayyukan yi? Shin muna tabbatar da cewa Amurkawa ba su shiga cikin fatarar kuɗi ba idan, lokacin da ake wahalar da su, kun sani, abubuwan gaggawa masu haɗari na likita kamar cutar kansa ko makamantan su?

Don haka, kuma, wannan muhawara ce mai mahimmanci da muke samu yanzu game da menene ainihin abubuwanmu na ainihi? Shin muna kulawa da mutanenmu, kamar yadda muke gani da ainihin damuwar gaske game da tsaro?

MH: Matt, dole ne mu barta anan. Na gode sosai saboda kasancewa tare da ni akan Deconstructed.

MD: Yayi kyau a nan. Na gode, Mehdi.

MH: Wannan shi ne Matt Duss, babban mai ba da shawara kan manufofin ketare ga Bernie Sanders, yana magana game da kasafin kudin Pentagon da kuma bukatar rage duk yaƙe-yaƙe marasa iyaka da kuma ba da kuɗaɗe ga waɗannan yaƙe-yaƙe. Kuma duba, idan kun goyi bayan kare 'yan sanda, da gaske ya kamata ku goyi bayan kare aikin soja. Su biyun suna tafiya hannu da hannu.

[Cigaba da Musical.]

MH: Wannan nunin namu ne! Deconstructed shine samarwa na Farkon Kayan Watsa Labarai da Rikodi. Mai samarwa shine Zach Young. Bryan Pugh ya hade shi. Bart Warshaw ne ya shirya waƙar taken mu. Betsy Reed Edita ne mai rikodin tarihi.

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